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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: Ghostwheel on Wednesday 21 September 16 17:55 BST (UK)
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I was recently searching the Petty Sessions for records of my ancestors. Most of it is pretty typical. Stolen turnips. Wandering cows. A cart without a name painted on it, but I was kind of shocked to see two men who I believe are my GG grandfather and a close relative, possibly his brother, sentenced to a month for trespass on someone's wood.
Assuming that there was not another man by the same name in the townland, which though sparsely populated, admittedly had a lot of his surname, probably all related, this was a man with young children.
I think there must be something more to it than what the clerk wrote down, but I can't think what. Poaching? Harvesting the wood? (it was February, but I assume they used peat for fuel)
I was hoping someone had an ancestor with a similar sentence and could provide some further insight.
The other fellow, seems to have, once, in another year, been charged with hunting with his dog, and also seemingly attempting to fire a gun at a man, perhaps as he fled, after caught hunting.
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The question which leaps to my mind is: were they Catholic? Some Protestant landowners were extremely mean-spirited! Instead of just prosecuting poachers or illegal wood cutters, the landowner may have been in the habit of prosecuting all trespassers. Maybe the landowner decided that your ancestors were "a bad lot" and went after them for every infraction of the law, however minor.
Oddly, I have a 3x great grandfather (Protestant) who prosecuted another 3x great grandfather (Catholic) - who was not related at the time - for poaching!
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That is indeed a funny story.
Yes, indeed they were Catholic. The name of the complainant is such a horrible scribble that I can't make it out. But it almost looks like an initial and then two names, perhaps being the three more common in a Protestant. Whoever he is, he is given an address separate from the area of trespass, which probably indicates some wealth.
Perhaps you could be right. Along another side of my family, I was pretty shocked to see some of the anti-Irish language used against the brother of one of my GG grandfathers when he was trying to make an insurance claim for hay that had been set on fire. Phrases like "drowning your shamrock" and "celebrating St Paddy's Day" (when it was far from the date.)
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What was his name?
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Martin Connor of Curravougha, sometimes spelled in alternate ways like Curravaha or Curravaugha. He lived in Glenbeigh Parish, but the court was in Killorglin.
The other man was named Timothy Connor of the same place. At a guess, I would say he was his brother, or slightly less likely cousin, though I think the records of his birth probably don't survive.
The trespass happened on the 11 of February 1870, on the complainant's "wood at Drombrain." I am not sure what the date of the trial was. The complainant's address was Clifton Lodge, Killorglin, but I cannot read his name.
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Hello,
Is the name William De Moleyns?
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/kerry/censubs/ker-landowners-d-g.txt
Heywood
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I would say definitely not.
Very wild guess: S. George Sayar or L. George Layar. But I'll attach a jpeg of the name, to see if anyone can read it.
I suppose it is possible the man may have been an agent or some such.
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Military man I think.
Commandant E Mugessr Eagard. I doubt that's it.:D
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I thought it could be Eagar as a surname.
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There was a Nora Lizzie Eagar of Clifton Lodge in 1869
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What about E McGillycuddy Eager?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/historysubscribers.html
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What about E McGillycuddy Eager?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/historysubscribers.html
He died in 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/62cdde15354833
the land may still have been under his name
still there are lots to choose from
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ijh/
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What about E McGillycuddy Eager?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/historysubscribers.html
He died in 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/62cdde15354833
the land may still have been under his name
still there are lots to choose from
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ijh/
I would go for Compt [complainant] E (..?..) Eagar, but I'm struggling with the name. Assuming the handwriting is the same throughout, the first letter is not M. Possibly N or H?
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I thought it could be Eagar as a surname.
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Ditto
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Complainant and Defendant
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What about E McGillycuddy Eager?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/historysubscribers.html
He died in 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/62cdde15354833
the land may still have been under his name
still there are lots to choose from
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ijh/
I would go for Compt [complainant] E (..?..) Eagar, but I'm struggling with the name. Assuming the handwriting is the same throughout, the first letter is not M. Possibly N or H?
:D that's what happens when you are at work and only look at the name and not the whole thing, silly me.
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Thanks, everyone! I apologize, for replying so late as lost track of this thread.
I wasn't previously familiar with the surname "Eagar", and completely agree with that impressive interpretation. Curiously, it does seem to be a COI family, after all.
I really think the offense must have been related to poaching, but it doesn't seem possible to prove, to my consternation.
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Eusibius Eager
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jdl/
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landowners Co Kerry 1876
http://www.failteromhat.com/lo1876/kerry.pdf
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I believe it is Eusebius. Sort of a funny name, I have definitely never heard of it before.
Wow! 6400 acres seems like quite a spread! No wonder it was a month!
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I have learned Eusebius was a magistrate and grand juror.
He is listed in "The County Familes of the United Kingdom" by Edward Walford 1869, and at that time had two addresses, one in Killorglin and one in Tralee.
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In 1883 Thom's Directory, he his listed as a quarter sessions magistrate and his son is actually a petty sessions clerk at Killorglin, the same court as the offense. But that is a few years later.
I have a feeling he knew the presiding petty sessions magistrate rather intimately.
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I guess I read that wrong. The clerk was not his son but a man named Francis C. McGillicuddy, not necesssarily related though McGillicuddy was part of the other man's name.