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Title: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Sunday 25 September 16 21:27 BST (UK)
hi, im wondering if anybody help me with john eveleigh, born 1815.

john was transported to new south wales, australia on the ship Emma Eugenia.
he was tried at dorset county sessions on 10 march 1837 for highway robbery.
john was sentenced to death, but was transported for life instead.

im trying to look for FREE convict records so i can see if he is my john eveleigh or another born the same time.

my john eveleigh should be the son of john and elizabeth, and was baptised at Ottery st mary, Devon, on the 13 january 1815.

thanks in advance
racheal
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 26 September 16 08:17 BST (UK)
The assault took place in Whitchurch C’anonicorum  - there are Eveleighs in that area including a John who was baptised 1818. 
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 26 September 16 10:48 BST (UK)
The John Eveleigh who was transported was from the parish of Chideock - but not sure if it means he was born there or lived there immediately before the offence.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 26 September 16 10:53 BST (UK)
Could have been this one then LizzieL  :-\
John Eveleigh
Christening    24 Oct 1813
Chideock, Dorset
Father John Eveleigh
Mother Elizabeth
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 26 September 16 10:57 BST (UK)
I wondered about him too, can't find him on any census.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 26 September 16 11:16 BST (UK)
I can see John senior wife Elizabeth and several children in 1841 Chideock but no John junior.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 26 September 16 12:08 BST (UK)
And as Whitchurch Canonocorum is only  2 or 3 miles from Chideock, he is the more likely perpetrator than John Everleigh all the way from Ottery.

Although I can't see the Ottery John in any census either.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 26 September 16 16:38 BST (UK)
There was also a John Eveleigh, bap 8 Jan 1818, Whitchurch Canicorum, son of Bernard and Jane
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Monday 26 September 16 23:43 BST (UK)
thank you for your replies. ( i only got a notification for the first one)

my john is definitely baptised in ottery st mary, and father john is still in ottery in 1841. mother elizabeth still thereabouts in 1861.

i guess the john who was transported was one of the others born around that time. :)


 
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 27 September 16 10:37 BST (UK)
I would think it more likely to be one of the local John Eveleighs than your one from Devon  :)
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: LizzieL on Tuesday 27 September 16 11:11 BST (UK)
It's a nuisance that we can't find the Devon one in censuses to prove he wasn't transported.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 27 September 16 12:11 BST (UK)
I can see a John Everleigh in Ottery St Mary in the '41 and '51 Census - but this appears to be the John that married Elizabeth Clay, Dec 16th 1838, father Robert.

A John Eveleigh, age 32, was buried at Yarcombe** on Dec 13th 1846. Calculated Year of Birth would be 1814 - yet to find this John on the '41 Census.

** The burial register says Yarcombe but FindMyPast has transcribed as Upottery (the entry above reads Upottery)
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 27 September 16 12:21 BST (UK)
There's a John (b.1788) and Elizabeth (b. 1791) Eveleigh (but no John b. about 1815) in Upottery on the '41 Census + Ann, Caroline and Harriott and 2 servants at Collymore Farm.
Where are your "John and Elizabeth" on the '41 Census?
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: LizzieL on Tuesday 27 September 16 12:58 BST (UK)
I can see a John Everleigh in Ottery St Mary in the '41 and '51 Census - but this appears to be the John that married Elizabeth Clay, Dec 16th 1838, father Robert.

A John Eveleigh, age 32, was buried at Yarcombe** on Dec 13th 1846. Calculated Year of Birth would be 1814 - yet to find this John on the '41 Census.

** The burial register says Yarcombe but FindMyPast has transcribed as Upottery (the entry above reads Upottery)

Looking at the register. It looks like the register were burials at Upottery and his abode was Yarcombe. Either Yarcombe was too small to have own graveyard or he had more connection with Upottery
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 27 September 16 13:09 BST (UK)
There's a Joseph Eveleigh, bap Ottery St Mary, 1 Jan 1817 - possible sibling for John, bap 1815 (father John, mother Elizabeth but occupation has "advanced" from labourer to yeoman)? There's also a possible daughter,Elizabeth, bap. 20 Nov 1818.

It looks as if he married Dinah Sumption (?) in 1838 and by the '51 Census they were living in Upottery..

 
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Tuesday 27 September 16 13:10 BST (UK)
Hi, Hanes that is my John and Elizabeth, in upottery in 1841 with daughters Harriet and Caroline.

John senior dies 1842 and Elizabeth nee Goldsworthy dies 1870.
Elizabeth is another mystery, she says born ottery st Mary  on all censuses but I can see a baptism in Devon at all only Cornwall
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Tuesday 27 September 16 13:12 BST (UK)
Elizabeth eveleigh baptised 1818 is my 4th great grandma.
She is a servant at the vicarage in 1841.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 27 September 16 17:00 BST (UK)
With the family linked to Upottery, the burial in 1846 of John, aged 32, at Upoterry  - abode Yarcombe - is a strong candidate for "your" John, baptised 1815?
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: LizzieL on Tuesday 27 September 16 17:07 BST (UK)
I agree. He was baptised in Jan 1815 so quite possibly born Nov or first week of Dec 1814. This would make age right for a Dec 13th 1846 burial, actual death being two or three days before.
Yarcombe isn't far from Upottery. He may have been living and working there at time of death, but family wanted  him buried at Upottery where his "home" was.
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 27 September 16 18:03 BST (UK)
Still looking for a John on the 1841 Census. There's a John in Sidmouth, age 20, Mail Coachman, not with any family. Allowing for rounding down, year of birth in the range 1817-1821 - possibility?

Ages on these old records very often suspect.

Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Tuesday 27 September 16 19:47 BST (UK)
yes i think that the john buried in 1846 is probably mine.
the only other john i can see is in churchstanton, taunton with a wife mary and daughter sarah.
im going to look this one up now.

i know the 1841 census can be the hardest as people were rounded up or down and it was took at harvest time i think so many rural people werent even 'at home'

the john at sidmouth seems to die 1843, birth year given as 1821. sidmouth.

Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Tuesday 27 September 16 20:19 BST (UK)
i think my john is the one at taunton,
the wife mary is widowed by 1851, with a daughter caroline, and 2 others, back living in upottery.

the last child is illegitimate with only mum mentioned in baptism.
when mary remarries in 1852, her fathers occupation is given as blacksmith, this could be where john learnt his trade.

thanks for all your eliminating of the other johns.
it doesnt look to be a common surname so i may find they are all related somehow anyway, especially the ones living close by upottery .
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: enzfan on Saturday 26 November 16 04:19 GMT (UK)
The John EVELEIGH born John George Eveleigh to John Eveleigh and Elizabeth Fone in Chideock is the one transported to NSW in 1837. Not your John I'm afraid.  :'(
Title: Re: john eveleigh- convict to nsw
Post by: Racheal Kibble on Saturday 26 November 16 11:19 GMT (UK)
thanks enzfan,

i think we had established it wasnt my john eveleigh. its always good if somebody else confirms it though.

and it confirms for anyone else who comes along searching :)

racheal