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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: lundy06032013 on Monday 03 October 16 11:27 BST (UK)
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Hi all
Could anyone give me any help on the image I have attached.
I recently have been searching my ancestry and a living member of the family has passed me 2 images one of a house and another is a coat of arms, I have been asked to find out about the coat of arms and any links it has to my family.
any information or help given is very appreciated
regards
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Hi Lundy06032013,
Not many families have a "Coat of Arms"..
http://www.ancestralfindings.com/real-truth-behind-coats-arms-family-crests/
this link may help you, from my understanding a Coat Of Arms is granted to one person and that Coat of Arms to then handed down to his first son, again first son and so on. a brother sibling to the first son can use his fathers Coat of Arms but some changes have to be made to it..in some way....Females of the family that the Coat of Arms was granted to do not hold any claim.
Yonks
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The latin motto has been used by the City of Liverpool, and is also on the State Seal of Georgia (US).
It is originally from the Roman poet Virgil, and translates (roughly!) to "God has provided us this rest/tranquility".
It has been used on coats-of-arms for: Boleyn, Bolger, Burrow, and Hyde.
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The arms of Boleyn are:
Boleyn, Argent, a chevron gules,between three bulls heads couped Sable
That is, a white background, a red chevron (point upwards), with 3 black bull's heads (2 above the chevron, 1 below)
There's no Boleyn on your arms ;D
The usual arms of Burrows are argent, two chevrons vert, between 3 wreaths vert
That is, a white background, 2 thin green chevrons, with 3 green wreaths.
Again, not on your arms.
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May be irrelevant but who was Turner Calvert Esq? Was he the artist or the person for whom the arms were drawn?
https://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?div=LMSLPS15084PS150840067 see No 30.
ADDED: Numbering upper line L - R then lower line L -R what's the animal in sections 1, 6 & 8? Is it a bear? 4 has 3 boar's heads.
The Healy clan, has three boars' heads
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boars_in_heraldry
Josey
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Have been doing some digging! ;D
Brundish church, Suffolk, England has a Plaque on a wall:
JUDITH CALVERT (wife of Turner Calvert) of Brundish Lodge (died November 1766). Also her infant son, TURNER (died October 1766). This marble plaque, with coat of arms beneath, has a lovely tribute to her. (Nave, north).
Also, in the church of St George, Colegate, Norwich, Norfolk:
IX. Argent, on a chevron sable, between three bears couchant
proper, as many mullets or, Caltert (or Calvert).
So, the bears lying down (couchant) and 3 stars (mullets) on the chevron.
It goes on:
*' Propter humantur Reliquise Joannis Calvert civis utilis, simul
et Mercatoris fausti Hisce functus Muneribus efflavit
animam. Ann. ^tat. 71, Salutis 1744, Hoc monumentum Turner
Calvert, e nee Temp Ann natorum solus superstes poni jussit.''
Also for Mary his wife, only daughter of William Turner of
Tottenhill in Norfolk, Gent., by whom she had issue 13 children,
12 of whom died infants, she died Feb. 2, 1749, aged 66.
Turner, her only son, erected this monument."
and
Slabs in the South Aisle.
XV. Calvert. Crest: A stork resting its dexter claw on an
escutcheon, charged with an annulet {Calvert, A stork proper.
reposing its dexter claw on an antique shield azure, charged with
a mullet or).— Bl. Norf, iv. 473.
For "John Calvert, who died June 28, 1744, in his 71** year."
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Looks like his grave in St. Botulph, Tottenhill, Norfolk:
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=82877&scrwidth=1200
And, in the General Evening Post, 1756:
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This is Gentleman's Magazine vol 24 [don't know date] by googling Turner Calvert Esq.
Perhaps the house is Brundish Lodge? AH, no
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-280121-brundish-lodge-brundish-suffolk/photos#.V_JTwfkrLIU
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So far I have found the following arms:
1 and 8 - Calvert (Argent, on a chevron sable, between three bears couchant proper, as many mullets or)
2 Turner
3 (not yet found)
4 (not yet found)
And, on the lower row:
5. Smith (argent, a chevron between 3 cross-crosslets gules).
6 (not yet found)
7 (not yet found)
8 see 1
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thank you for the help so far I am finding out a lot of facts, however I am new to all of this and was wondering if someone could also give me an explanation to what the picture actually is, Is it a coat of arms/ family crest? Is it for one family or a merge of several? What does it represent?
Regards
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My guess would be:
Sometimes, when a man marries a woman who in her own right bears arms, the 2 coats-of-arms are played side-by-side - it's called impalement, a form of marshalling.
See: http://karlwilcox.com/parker/?page_id=2117
and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartering_(heraldry)
Sometimes, a man impales his arms of office (e.g. a bishop, dean of a college, etc) with his own arms.
Turner Calvert was around in the mid 16th Century, when the rules of Heraldry weren't so stringent?!
Certainly the Calvert arms are in positions 1 and 8 - the places of honour.
Probably, if you work out Turner's lineage, it might become clearer?
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Very useful links KGarrad, thanks. How would the 3 boars heads be described? It looks like they are 'couped' but how do you describe the horizontal bar?
In the Ipswich Journal 18 April 1767, Turner Calvert mentions the 'Crest of my Arms'.
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The horizontal bar is a fess.
|The three heads are indeed couped, but I don't think they are boars heads? No tusks!
In heraldry, boars are almost always tusked.
The arms with the 3 stars, is a fess dancetty, between 3 mullets.
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Looks like the story of the three bears! ;D
Skoosh.
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I think the couped heads are of greyhounds.
Nell
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They could be greyhounds - but I still can't find the arms!
The engraver has used hatching to denote the tinctures (or colours).
So, the 4th arms will be azure, a fess or between 3 <??> couped.
(Blue shield, gold bar across the middle)
The 3rd arms are those of Scotland (or, a lion rampant gules). (Gold with a red lion rampant).
And the 7th arms will be sable, a fess dancetty argent, between three mullets of the same.
(Black shield, an indented bar, between 3 5-ponted stars all in white/silver)
And I can't find that coat-of-arms, either! ::)
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is there a possibility that the coat of arms is a combination of several different ones I cant seem to find any looking the same as the picture I have acquired.
It has been passed down through generation with no real explanation except it was also attached to a picture of a house with no location.
What explanations could there be to the different sections.
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I thought I had explained that in reply #11? ::)
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my apologies on that one missed that reply thank you for all your help on this subject its making a lot more sense then when I started out.
I did want to ask and I'm sorry if you have already mentioned this but would the image of been in colour at some point or just black and white similar to the drawing.
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Again, re-read my posts! ;D
Engravers and printers, working in monochrome (1 colour) used a thing called hatching to represent colours.
I have mentioned some colours before.
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatching_(heraldry)
But note that different systems were used at different times?!
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I think you can rule out the lion being from the Scottish royal arms, no tressure. Lots of peeps used a lion!
Skoosh.
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I think you can rule out the lion being from the Scottish royal arms, no tressure. Lots of peeps used a lion!
Skoosh.
I didn't mention the Royal Arms of Scotland! ;D
When the red lion rampant is within a double-tressure then it's the Royal Arms.
But without the double-tressure?
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Without the tressure (a gift from France I believe) it just aint kosher!
Skoosh.
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Because of the Scottish Laws on Heraldry, I was thinking that:
1) the arms with the double-tressure, being the Royal Arms, couldn't be used elsewhere.
2) and that, maybe, the arms without the double-tressure would be OK to use?
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Dinnae ken! ;D
Skoosh.
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The Royal Arms of Scotland do not include ANY flag or arms that is gold, with a red lion rampant.
Only when it has the double-tressure.
Therefore the part of the original arms in this thread, that has a gold background with a red lion rampant is NOT the Royal Arms, but may allude to Scotland.
It could also be the arms of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Brennin Gwynedd a Powys who was King of Gwynydd and Powys 1063-1075, or MacDuff.
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The arms tricked as Or, a lion rampant gules are attributed to many men. Have a look here:
https://archive.org/stream/alphabeticaldicta01papw#page/82/mode/2up
Nell