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Hello All
Some of George Hood's grandchildren (by James Hood, George Hood's son) carried surnames in their middle names, named after earlier generations.
One carried COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood), being named after ?
One carried WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood) linked to James wife Sarah - Sarah's side.
One carried RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah (Sarah Russell).
One carried ALFRED (James Alfred Hood) Alfred, either a surname or forename.
One carried ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel)
One carried PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood)
Having been totally misled by the Selby BT Marriage copy and my original photocopy from film (posted from Selby Library) which was reproduced fairly light, I have now managed to get a better image of the original 1815 Selby Marriage entry, which I attach.
James Cookin W
My wife who worked as a Clerk in a Solicitors and then spent all her working life in various admin rolls, feels the signature could say ...
James Cook in W meaning ...
James Cook in Witness
Apparently, prefixing or following your signature by the words in Witness was used on documents.
Sarah's Signature
It seems that Sarah has started her signature and been advised to sign further to the right and has started again.
Now, I'm wondering if the mystery Cook, was James Cook and a relation?
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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I think it says James Cookin. Then the next squiggle is a crossed out S where Sarah started to sign her name rather off the line, then crossed it out and started again a bit higher up.
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Sarah's Signature
It seems that Sarah has started her signature and realising the S is over the W, has started again.
Surely Sarah would have signed her name before it was witnessed ??? It is more likely that the squiggle is crossing out the S
I also think that the name is Cookin and not two words Cook in
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Sarah's Signature
It seems that Sarah has started her signature and realising the S is over the W, has started again.
Surely Sarah would have signed her name before it was witnessed ??? It is more likely that the squiggle is crossing out the S
I also think that the name is Cookin and not two words Cook in
Hi
I have added a bit to my original post, how the children of George Hood's son James Hood, carried surnames from an earlier generation.
Re Sarah Russel's signature, it does seem she started and perhaps been advised to start further over to the right.
Signatures can have a habit of joining and perhaps 'in' has got lazily joined up to Cook.
According to the middle names of James Hood's children, there is a strong suggestion, to be looking for a Cook surname and a Pearson surname somewhere (I have added a bit to my first post)?
Regards Mark
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Have you checked other marriages around the same time in that parish to see if he witnesses any others. Witnesses are not necessarily related
It could be Cockin as well.
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I think you may be rather clutching at a straw trying to find a Cook connection!
The name used as middle name may refer back to someone many generations further back, on any one of the lines going back. Or is may be after a family friend, perhaps someone who acted as Godparent. Or it may just be more random - was he born in Captain Cook era for example!
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Hi, I have to agree that the name looks to be "Cookin", but could also be "Cockin"
Frank.
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From an earlier post on one of the other threads a William COOK married an Elizabeth HOOD in 1804 Christchurch, Tynemouth.
From baptisms of this couple it does say mother/bride was from the parish of Newcastle All Saints, where in 1780 there is a baptism of Elizabeth HOOD daughter of a John HOOD mariner in 1780.
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As this is presumably a print from a microfilm, is there any possibility you could get a colour reproduction of the original? Might make things a bit clearer.
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From an earlier post on one of the other threads a William COOK married an Elizabeth HOOD in 1804 Christchurch, Tynemouth.
From baptisms of this couple it does say mother/bride was from the parish of Newcastle All Saints, where in 1780 there is a baptism of Elizabeth HOOD daughter of a John HOOD mariner in 1780.
Thank you so much for the reminder Claire, I had forgotten about the other COOK posts (which I even seemed to have quoted at Reply 236) and intended noting them down (if I have not done so already), hope I'm not losing my marbles.
Just found your Cook references here at Reply 234 (replies around pages 26 & 27) on the "Richard Gibson married 1792 Selby ... " thread under Yorkshire (North Riding) ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.234
If my hunch is right (about the middle surnames of James Hood's children), this continues to support - the Richard Gibson (Uncle) - George Hood (Nephew) theory of dobfarm's, which many of you have so handsomely and generously contributed too (both on & offline)!
Thank you
Regards Mark
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Hi
Any Cookin - Hood link, help please?
This 'Cookin' suname is extremely rare and there are only two Cookin deaths Registered 1837 to 1900 (on Free BMD). On checking the actual GRO Index images, these are registered at the following Reg'n Districts:-
John Cookin, Runcorn, Volume XIX, page 137 (transcriber states December 1838).
Mary Cookin, 60, St. Giles, Volume 1b, page 307, June 1868.
There is an age for Mary Cookin of 60, giving her a birth somewhere, of 1808 (although I don't know yet, if she was a Spinster or Married woman).
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Although too early, there is a John Cookin of Highfield Memorial at Bristol ...
Page 160 (only brief info here, more in the link further on)
https://archive.org/stream/stmarksormayors00barkgoog
The Lord Mayors Chapel (St Mark's), College Green, Bristol.
Here lyeth the body of John Cookin Sonne and heire of Vincent Cookin of Hifield Esq: Who beinge about 11 years olde departed this life The 12 Day of March Anno Doni 1627.
Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucestershire Archaological Society for 1903.
Page 277 to 278
https://archive.org/stream/transactionsofbr26bris
Image on Flickr, although I'm interested in other Cookin's with a Hood link?
John Cookin monument (boy kneeling on one knee) ...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lyeth
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Placed for future reference (re Cook), we have already looked at this and I need to see if the actual Parish Register provdes more information than the B.T.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163102.0
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It is the rarity of this Cookin surname and it does not appear once in the Register of Selby Parish Transcriptions up to 1813?
Regards Mark
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The problem with Cockin/Cookin is that the names seem to have constantly evolved. Take this family for example:
Marriage 08 Jan 1789 James Cockin X Frances Corner – both of South Cave
22 Nov 1789 Robert Coggin s/o James & Francis, Welton
16 Sep 1792 Ann Coggin d/o James & Frances
02 Aug 1795 James Coggin s/o James & Frances
01 Dec 1805 (born 14 Mar 1800), William Coggin s/o James & Frances
1 Dec 1805 (born 29 Jul 1805), Mary Coggin
Following William: Marriage 13 Jun 1827 – William Cocking m Frances Hollingshead.
Several children baptised between 1828 - 1840 with surnames either Cockin or Cocking. 1841 census has them as Cocking, 1851 has them as Cockhill.
In 1837 there is a Selby birth Registration for Jane Cockin - has she been traced? I wondered if she was the Jane Cockerill aged 5 in Cloughton?
Henry Cockerill 65 Ag Lab
Ann 59
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Rachel Gibson 50 Ind
Mary 17
Jane Cockerill 5
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She could be the one baptised in Snaith daughter of William and Anne Cockin on 15 October 1837. Abode: Cowick
And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.
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Yes, that looks good - especially as Eliza Cockin d/o William married in Selby in 1866.
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She could be the one baptised in Snaith daughter of William and Anne Cockin on 15 October 1837. Abode: Cowick
And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.
I think it says John Hopworth or Hepworth
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She could be the one baptised in Snaith daughter of William and Anne Cockin on 15 October 1837. Abode: Cowick
And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.
Thank you Jomot and Claire
Cooke comes back to haunt us again.
1. Here is the birth entry of Jane Cockin (which could almost be transcribed Cackin).
EDIT: I posted a few places where I found Cockins, here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747759.0
and Reply #13 (Page 2) of thread.
2. Selby
Sub-district Riccall, a Hood death at Cliff:-
10th February 1868, Hannah Hood, aged 24 years, "Wife of William Hood a farm Labourer". "Wind-dropsy 7 weeks Not Certified. Wm Tasker present at the Death Cliff. Charles Denham Registrar 11th February 1868.
Comments already on here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748303.0
3. 1861 There were also some Vincent Hoods at Carlton (from Ditchingham, Norfolk and places in Norfolk) Please see my ... Reply #6, on the other thread in the link, who moved around a lot and had a child Matilda Vincent Hood in 1861 at Langrick, (nr Carlton / Drax area).
Regards Mark
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Hello
1. Here is the 16th May 1815 Marriage Bond (Selby Peculiar Court) of George Hood.
2. Chester Newby, Miller of Selby was George Hood's Bondsman and he is believed to be the same Chester Newby (Ancestry had him as August Newby) in the Baptism Register of Whitley / Kellington ...
Kellington
1790
8 August Chester So of Thomas & Hannah Newby Whitley
Although we had no link, there is the 1793 Marriage at Scalby (near Scarborough) of John Hood to a Jane Newby (I don't really want to mention it, as it may be taking us in the wrong compass direction from Selby).
However, Kellington is South-West of Selby and Whitley further to the South South East of Kellington.
Newby's in the Snaith / Balne areas ...
Hull Packet 25 Aug 1843
August 18, at Snaith ... Mr Rob't Newby, farmer of Balne Croft, near Snaith, to Miss Dickson of Pollington, near the same place.
Yorks Gazette 3 October 1835
... Mr Nathan Newby, sen., of Baln-Croft, near Snaith, farmer, aged 70.
3. Some Cockins are Southerly from Selby, Snaith and near Doncaster (mentioned in other thread).
One of George Hood's sons William Hood married Jane Casson born Thorne, Yorkshire
4. A George Hood is mentioned in the Diaries of Samuel Hirst staying at Askern, but then dining at Kellington (so on his way back):-
http://www.kellingtons-independent-website.co.uk/page52.htm
"Samuel Hirst was born in Stubbs Walden on his father's farm in the year 1803. In February 1831 at the age of 27 he came to Kellington to take over a farm that formed part of Sir Samuel Crompton's estate." Apparently, Hirst was a land valuer, so that might be the reason for the friendship.
1833
Tuesday 9 July
At Kellington, a fine day but it was very like rain in the morning.
I am just expecting Mr Hood and his friend to dine out of (?) today, they are staying at Askern.
Mr Hood came and dined with me.
Called and looked at Mr Earnshaw's rams.
I took supper at Hutt Green.
Friday 27 September
At Howden Show, a fine day.
Wm Dickon bought a gig horse of Penty of York for £31/10/0 and he bought a fine hunting horse 4 years old of Mr George Hood for £63/0/0. I lent him £35/2/3.
My expenses are 8/6.
I paid Goodworth for Miss B - £7/0/0.
I received of George Auty for Miss B £10/0/0.
If this Samuel Hirst is dining with my George Hood at Kellington, Askern is even further south of Whitley.
5. Charles Hood, born Selby (married twice), aged 2 and Son of George Hood born Selby & Ann Hood born Blyth, Notts., of Byfield Lodge Farm House, 1861 Census.
Charles Hood was not in my line and this might be a coincidence, but in the 1891 Census (RG12 /3762) of Whitwood, Normanton, Charles Hood born Selby aged 30 Railway Signalman and Hannah Hood aged 28 and family have an Emma Hirst, Visitor, M, aged 57 or 59, born Ledsham, Yorkshire.
Might be a coincidence this Emma Hirst (or friend only).
However, the only clues suggests George Hood Senior, with links to Parishes South of the Selby Peculiar Jurisdiction.
Regards Mark
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At the risk of sending everyone off on a wild goose chase, I think the Cockins of Luddington, Lincs may be worth a closer inspection.
The bondsman for George Hood's marriage was a miller, and I noticed that in the same year there was a James Cockin Jr baptised to William & Elizabeth Cockin in Luddington. William was a Miller.
Tracing him back I believe William was baptised at Luddington on 01 Feb 1790, the son of William Cockin & Sarah Maw who married in 1788, and that William Jr married Elizabeth Gelder in 1810.
Taking it back a generation further, William Sr's parents could be either:
a) Robert Cockin X Elizabeth Gibson, 1760, Luddington, (I believe Elizabeth was local)
1762 William
1764 Robert
b) William Cockin X Elizabeth Leggott, 1756, Belton In Axholme
1757 William
1767 Elizabeth (Althorpe)
1773 James (Althorpe)
However, at the same time that James Cocking was being baptised in Althorpe, a James & Ann Cockin were baptising children in Luddington:
1776 Mary Easton Cockin – died same year
1777 Robert Cockin – died same year
Unfortunately I'm not sure what happened to James & Ann after this, but it does seem to establish that James was a name that ran through this branch of Cockins.
Returning to William the miller b1790, he had several children in Luddington, but by 1819 had moved to London where he became a victualler & licensee of the Crown & Anchor on Paul St, Finsbury.
His son James Cockin (born 1815) was buried at St Andrew, Holborn on 4 Mar 1819.
Another son, William Henry Cockin b1823, was buried in 1824 at St Botolph, with the address given as “Little Brittain”
William & Elizabeth entered the Licenced Victuallers Asylum on Asylum Road, Old Kent Road in 1858, with William dying there 4 Dec 1864, and Elizabeth 22 Mar 1871.
A William Cockin with land at Loddington has been mentioned previously & is almost certainly part of the same wider family - reply #1 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747759.0
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At the risk of sending everyone off on a wild goose chase, I think the Cockins of Luddington, Lincs may be worth a closer inspection.
The bondsman for George Hood's marriage was a miller, and I noticed that in the same year there was a James Cockin Jr baptised to William & Elizabeth Cockin in Luddington. William was a Miller.
Tracing him back I believe William was baptised at Luddington on 01 Feb 1790, the son of William Cockin & Sarah Maw who married in 1788, and that William Jr married Elizabeth Gelder in 1810.
Taking it back a generation further, William Sr's parents could be either:
a) Robert Cockin X Elizabeth Gibson, 1760, Luddington, (I believe Elizabeth was local)
1762 William
1764 Robert
b) William Cockin X Elizabeth Leggott, 1756, Belton In Axholme
1757 William
1767 Elizabeth (Althorpe)
1773 James (Althorpe)
However, at the same time that James Cocking was being baptised in Althorpe, a James & Ann Cockin were baptising children in Luddington:
1776 Mary Easton Cockin – died same year
1777 Robert Cockin – died same year
Unfortunately I'm not sure what happened to James & Ann after this, but it does seem to establish that James was a name that ran through this branch of Cockins.
Returning to William the miller b1790, he had several children in Luddington, but by 1819 had moved to London where he became a victualler & licensee of the Crown & Anchor on Paul St, Finsbury.
His son James Cockin (born 1815) was buried at St Andrew, Holborn on 4 Mar 1819.
Another son, William Henry Cockin b1823, was buried in 1824 at St Botolph, with the address given as “Little Brittain”
William & Elizabeth entered the Licenced Victuallers Asylum on Asylum Road, Old Kent Road in 1858, with William dying there 4 Dec 1864, and Elizabeth 22 Mar 1871.
A William Cockin with land at Loddington has been mentioned previously & is almost certainly part of the same wider family - reply #1 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747759.0
Hello Jomot
Thank you very much.
George Hood's Bondsman Chester Newby was a Miller.
Son, William Hood, Brewer, married Jane Casson (born Thorne) 23 December 1851 and her father Curtis Casson was a Miller.
Cockin family, Luddington - Millers
Also trying to work further back, with a lot of help from Claire (Richard Gibson thread), re Letitia Gibson "Cousin" aged 18 in the Hood household at Leicester 1881 Census.
Regards Mark
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Meant to add that other than London, all of the locations follow the river.
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William COCKIN of the parish of Snaith bachelor and Ann ROBINSON of this parish (Hatfield) spinster
married after Banns 12 June 1830 by Thomas Fox, minister
William Cockin signed, Ann Robinson left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? -orth and William COOKE
The Will of Ann Robinson of Selby - 1821 to 1823 might be interesting?
And this marriage (previously mentioned) 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
Hi
Thanks Claire for your reply.
I'm sure, I have put some info about the Matthew Hood of Selby (d.1717) AND the claim found on Flickr, which also has photos of Robson/Robinson graves at various places and the Flickr author is claiming to descend from, or be linked to Matthew Hood of Selby.
I will add as an Edit here ...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxtree1/20770860885
Also we have this James Cookin signing as a witness to the George Hood = Sarah Russell, 1815 Selby Marriage.
EDIT: I have asked Selby Abbey about the other surnames of interest Robinson / Cockin / Cook(e) / Wilkinson.
Regards Mark
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May be worth trying to make a family tree of sorts - of the Hoods we can locate in the early Selby registers from what resources we can all find, and follow them forward to see how that pans out.
I seem to recall quite a few of them from looking.
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May be worth trying to make a family tree of sorts - of the Hoods we can locate in the early Selby registers from what resources we can all find, and follow them forward to see how that pans out.
I seem to recall quite a few of them from looking.
Hello Claire
I did this a while back, I'll need to tidy it up, before posting it here, later.
Seems nearly all the Hood males at Selby died out, with the exception of Samuel Hood, buried Thorganby.
Later at Thorganby, is a burial of Mary TATE HOOD, wife of Thomas Tate Hood, Labourer 21st May 1781, but that did not seem to lead us anywhere.
Although the Hoods had Church weddings, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps a Hood Birth somewhere, was a Quaker registration.
We need to perhaps consider a visit to Leeds, who have suggested looking through the Quaker Meeting notes too and suggested allowing quite some time, for a careful search.
Due to limited time on answering questions they did confirm, George Hood does not have a Quaker Birth registration, nor a Quaker burial at Selby.
I'm still having my searches done at Newcastle, though.
Regards Mark
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William Cockin third child of Aran and Ann Cockin bpt 16 Feb. 1806, born: 3 Jan. 1806
Hatfield, father a labourer of Stainforth.
No marriage I can see for the parents just a record of the Banns
Araan Cockin of Hatfield Parish and Ann Wilkinson of the parish of Everton, November 1797.
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William Cockin third child of Aran and Ann Cockin bpt 16 Feb. 1806, born: 3 Jan. 1806
Hatfield, father a labourer of Stainforth.
No marriage I can see for the parents just a record of the Banns
Araan Cockin of Hatfield Parish and Ann Wilkinson of the parish of Everton, November 1797.
Hello All
Thanks Claire, that is fantastic.
Wilkinson is probably of interest too, according to 1813 Knottingley Land Tax.
Perhaps online records just missing a link to my George Hood somewhere?
Regards Mark
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William COCKIN of the parish of Snaith bachelor and Ann ROBINSON of this parish (Hatfield) spinster
married after Banns 12 June 1830 by Thomas Fox, minister
William Cockin signed, Ann Robinson left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? -orth and William COOKE
The Will of Ann Robinson of Selby - 1821 to 1823 might be interesting?
And this marriage (previously mentioned) 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
Hi
Thanks Claire for your reply.
I'm sure, I have put some info about the Matthew Hood of Selby (d.1717) AND the claim found on Flickr, which also has photos of Robson/Robinson graves at various places and the Flickr author is claiming to descend from, or be linked to Matthew Hood of Selby.
I will add as an Edit here ...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxtree1/20770860885
Also we have this James Cookin signing as a witness to the George Hood = Sarah Russell, 1815 Selby Marriage.
EDIT: I have asked Selby Abbey about the other surnames of interest Robinson / Cockin / Cook(e) / Wilkinson.
Regards Mark
Staffordshire Advertiser 8th January 1842
Newcastle Quarter Sessions
Francis Robinson Hood, an Apprentice appeared as a witness.
I wonder if this is a possible reference to the ROBINSON HOOD link and how far that names goes back please, or was it from his parents marriage?
A Francis Robinson Hood was still alive in 1851 as there was a later Deed of Assignment mentioning him in a London newspaper.
Regards Mark
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A baptism: Nuneaton, Warwickshire.
Francis Robinson HOOD baptised 6 Devember 1822, born 10 Nov. 1822 , parents James and Charlotte Hood.
Father a ribbon manufacturer
Abode: Abbey Street, Nuneaton.
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James Hood of Nuneaton Warwickshire married Charlotte Robinson of this parish ( Lambeth, St Mary) 27 May 1818 after Banns
Both signed register
Witnesses: H Hood and Susan Robinson
Married by Arthur Gibson :)
Can't weigh up if the Hood witness forename begins with a 'H' - just two lines on page :-\
He a bachelor, she a spinster.
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Image:
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Thanks BumbleB, bit difficult to do that on my phone :)
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1841 census Lambeth St Mary : Chester Place
Samuel Robinson 60 merchant Not bn in county
Charlotte Hood 50 Ind. Not bn in county.
Two female servants Jane (20)and Eliza Newport (15)
HO107 Piece: 1058 Book:14, Folio:8, Page:10
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...
I'm sure, I have put some info about the Matthew Hood of Selby (d.1717) AND the claim found on Flickr, which also has photos of Robson/Robinson graves at various places and the Flickr author is claiming to descend from, or be linked to Matthew Hood of Selby.
I will add as an Edit here ...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxtree1/20770860885
Regards Mark
Hello All
Thanks for those replies, so Francis Robinson Hood was a Southerner, despite him appearing as a witness at Newcastle. Thought I had struck gold this am, but can I really be that lucky with anything to do with Ol'George H!
Regarding this chap who claims to descend from Matthew Hood of Selby, I've forensically examined the grave headstones photos and it seems his Robinsons are from:-
Etherley;
Hunwick;
West Auckland and possibly
Evenwood
I see on Free BMD the Robson surname is popular in Northumberland, Durham, including Gateshead, any Hood marriages or Robinson / Robson leads to Selby please? ...
Robinson & Robson Headstones
Errected to the Memory of
Charles Robinson Late of
Etherley. Who Died August 12: 1816.
Aged 49 years.
Also Pheby Wife of The Above Who
Died June 15: 1837 Aged 66 Years.
And of Hannah Robinson.
Wife of Christopher Robinson of
West Auckland who departed this life
November 17th, 1846, Aged 32 Years. [EDITED 32 Years]
In Memory of Elizabeth Robinson.
Wife of Robert Robinson West Auc
-kland and who Died January 28th
1824 Aged 66 Years
While living, an Effectionate Mother:
Also a Virtuous Wife
Also their 2 Sons and 1 Daughter:
Mary Died January 4th 1792, Aged 5 Years.
Robert Died May 20th 1797 Aged [?] Years [single figure, looking like a 4 or 1?]
William Died March 11-1802 Aged 13 Years
Also of Robert Robinson Husband
of the above Elizabeth Robinson
who Died Feb. 25 1836 [EDITED 1836, not 1856]
Aged 84 Years.
To The
[?] of
John Young Robson
Son of John & Ann Robson
of Hunwick, Farmer
who Died March 21: 1831
Aged 2 Years.
Also William Robson
who died April [9?] 1863
Aged 1 Year & 10 Months.
Also the Above Named
John Robson
Who Died [March? 75?]
Nicholas Robinson
Eye?Wcod[?] [Evenwood]
Who Died December 9th 187[2, 3 , 5?]
Aged 40 [or 49?] Years [possibly 40 years 1872 Auckland Reg’n District]
Also Margaret Ann Daughter of
The Above Who Died March 21 1873
Aged 7 Years.
William Walker of Selby in Abbey Floor
Sacred
to the Memory of
William Walker, who
departed this life April 5th 1811
Aged 52 Years [looks 32, but worn due to foot traffic, Selby transcription has aged 51], of Selby, Baker
Place names in some of his photographs (same trip it seems) are:-
Selby
Howden Minster
Hemingbrough
St Oswald, Hotham
St Helen Auckland
On the Moor North of Stanhope
Corbridge
Thanks Mark
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Hello All
Got a feeling to link back to Hood of Selby, that this chap has used:- The History and Antiquities of the Parish of Hemingbrough in the County of York By Thomas Burton Esq., of Turnham Hall (1888) which is full of Robinson family references.
Possibly, he has bypassed my George Hood, etc. altogether, going down the Robinson line, but the author has linked in Henson of Wistow to Hood at Selby.
There is a reference to Samuel Hood and Byard. [Matthew Hood of Selby (buried Selby Abbey 1717) had married Elizabeth Byard].
22nd Nov. 1715. Samuel Henson of Wistow. " To my dear and loving wife all my land at Sikehouse, to her and her heirs, and all my personal estate, paying to my dear child, Mary Henson, 600 l. when 21. To my kinswoman, Mary Cousins, 20 l." And now comes an extraordinary bequest : "The rest of my real estate at Bonwith, Cotingworth, Storwood Park, and Darbyshire, to my wife for her life ; but if my dau. Mary happen to marry before she be 21, then I give her all my reall estate, and disposall, if fourteen yeares (of age), shall be good in law as though she was at full age; but if she dye before she marry, all my reall estate to Samuel Hood, Wm. Byard, and Byard Rawson. My wife ex."
... "26th August, 1742. Mary Henson, of the City of York, widow." ...
https://archive.org/stream/heminbrough00burt
Page 205
There are references to Bacon and Clark, p.205.
Regards Mark
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Mark
I assume you checked the Selby parish register page or near pages of the entry of George Hood and Sarah Russel 1815 Selby to see if the Cockin witness name was not repeated on other marriages. As sometimes a resident church worker or official or member of another marriage party (the previous or next post marriage group) act as witnesses.
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I'd checked for James Cockin being a witness a year either side of Georges wedding. He wasn't there at any wedding. The church official was a man called Jn Dickinson and was there most weddings. I even looked for George Hood being a witness - nothing.
Chester Newby married in Selby 1814 I was hoping a name we had worked with may have been a witness there but no, unfortunately.
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Hi
Thank you.
Cockin / Cookin at Selby 1815, is about as rare as George is, at Selby before 1812.
Hopefully, this Newcastle search will come up Trumps! I'm waiting for that.
Sticking on these two links (before I lose them) for possible later reference ...
Arksey Church M.I.
http://arkvillhistory.blogspot.co.uk/p/church-graves_4.html
About 98 Cockins listed here on rootsweb
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maureenbryson/id113.htm
Regards Mark
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Hello All
We have returned from Dumfries (Dùn Phris), Scotland and whilst there, visited the Library F.H. Section with my family problem and I was directed to some publications written by two authors, both F.S.A. (Scot), Fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland.
These two authors also recorded most of the Headstones (M.I.) for the whole of the Galloway area of South-West Scotland and these are two comments I noticed ...
Middle name is usually from the surname of parents or grandparents, as has been the Scottish custom for generations.
Regarding Monumental Inscriptions ...
The Scottish custom of inscribing the maiden name of the wife, is invariably adopted, but not always, this again does help in tracing families.
Therefore Sarah Hood who died Selby in 1879 might, for example, be recorded on her headstone as Sarah Russell, wife of George Hood, or wife of the above. I saw numerous examples time after time, in Hood Scottish M.I.s.
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Some of the Grandchildren of George Hood and Sarah Russell of Selby, born to James Hood and Sarah Hood, nee Arundel (Father John Arundel per GRO Marriage Cert.), carried surnames in their middle names and could be revealing my ancestry according to Scottish custom, as my 83 year old Father is sure at some unknown point, we are of Scottish origin.
This leaves three unaccounted ancestor surnames:-
COOK
ALFRED
PEARSON
COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood).
WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood), - James Hood was Son-in-Law to Mary Wilkinson, the Head (1861 Selby Census).
RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), - being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah Russell, (also Sarah Russell's father was actually called "William Russel").
ALFRED (James Alfred Hood).
ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), - being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel), Father John Arundel, Stoneagent?
PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood).
Regarding Adelina Hood (who has no middle name). I have Adelina in Latin and Old German, but cannot find a Scottish definition.
Regards Mark
EDITED: Added John Arundel's name from James and Sarah Hood's Wedding Certificate.
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Think Alfred would be just a middle first name Alfred like John William Hood or James Robert Hood
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Hi
That is what I thought once.
Try ALFRED as a surname alone, All Types, in Free BMD Sept 1837 to 1900?
Regards Mark
EDIT:-
There is a claim online that some Scots families and also some Scottish Quaker families followed naming patterns or sequences, claim from the US, from a book, name not given?
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/walker/29775/
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Apart from that found in Scotland (in my last post), I wondered if these naming patterns (in the link) have any official basis in an old Great British publication of ours, please?
SCOTTISH
First born son named for the paternal grandfather.
Second son named for the maternal grandfather.
Third son named for the father.
First born daughter for the paternal grandmother.
Second daughter for the maternal grandmother.
Third daughter for the mother.
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James Hood married in the Selby Parish Church, yet William Hood of Selby married at Scarborough Register Office in the same month of December 1851.
So it is unclear when James Hood became a Quaker.
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Although George Hood of Selby (married Selby 1815) does not appear as a Selby Quaker, we will go and read the whole (if req'd) Quaker Selby Monthly and Quarterly Meeting and Birth records (1850 to 1870s), as they still survive for this period and see if the children's names of George Hood's sons, James and William Hood give me any naming explanation, or descent lineage (like Dades).
Mark
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WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood), - James Hood was Son-in-Law to Mary Wilkinson, the Head (1861 Selby Census).
EDITED: Added John Arundel's name from James and Sarah Hood's Wedding Certificate.
Hi Mark
Hope you enjoyed your trip to Scotland.
Just to clarify for you, I can't remember or should that be I've lost the thread where I put it before.
Sarah Arundell was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Arundell (who later married John Wilkinson). In 1851 census Sarah Arundell is recorded as "daughter" living with Mary and John Wilkinson. John is a stone agent. So although she put John Arundell Stone Agent on her marriage certificate I think she used the name John "Arundell" to save face. It was quite common, and quite a few of my ancestors who were born illegitimate did exactly the same (used the first names and occupation of their "step-father") I am confident the "Wilkinson" in the middle name of James and Sarah's child would come from her step-father John Wilkinson
EDIT: Sarah was born 15 Feb 1831 and baptised Weslyan Methodist 18 Feb 1831 Her grandfather was George Arundel
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WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood), - James Hood was Son-in-Law to Mary Wilkinson, the Head (1861 Selby Census).
EDITED: Added John Arundel's name from James and Sarah Hood's Wedding Certificate.
Hi Mark
Hope you enjoyed your trip to Scotland.
Just to clarify for you, I can't remember or should that be I've lost the thread where I put it before.
Sarah Arundell was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Arundell (who later married John Wilkinson). In 1851 census Sarah Arundell is recorded as "daughter" living with Mary and John Wilkinson. John is a stone agent. So although she put John Arundell Stone Agent on her marriage certificate I think she used the name John "Arundell" to save face. It was quite common, and quite a few of my ancestors who were born illegitimate did exactly the same (used the first names and occupation of their "step-father") I am confident the "Wilkinson" in the middle name of James and Sarah's child would come from her step-father John Wilkinson
EDIT: Sarah was born 15 Feb 1831 and baptised Weslyan Methodist 18 Feb 1831 Her grandfather was George Arundel
Hi
Thanks for this Goughy, yes you did give us some info previously.
Thanks for ... Her [Sarah's] grandfather was George Arundel ...
Recapping ...
John Wilkinson Hood was named after Sarah's believed Father, John Wilkinson.
George Arundel Hood was named after Sarah's Grandfather, George Arundel.
William Russel Hood was named after James's Grandfather, William Russel.
Also hoping that the Quaker records in relation to James and Sarah will reveal something. As they only had time to answer simple questions, George Hood's birth was not recorded in Selby Quaker Registers.
I'm confident Grandmother Hood said, our family origin was Scottish (how far back is now unclear). Also that names came from previous generations, which we assumed back then, were first names.
Regards Mark
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
So...... the Cook and Pearson names are looking as though they are from GH's side of the family (unless they went totally off-piste!).
Naming children from grandparents, particularly female surnames, etc is quite common and still goes on today. Usually, the female surnames point research "in the right" direction, but hey ho in the case of GH who knows!!
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
So...... the Cook and Pearson names are looking as though they are from GH's side of the family (unless they went totally off-piste!).
Naming children from grandparents, particularly female surnames, etc is quite common and still goes on today. Usually, the female surnames point research "in the right" direction, but hey ho in the case of GH who knows!!
Hi Goughy and All
Perhaps James Hood has gone off-Piste slightly, so as to speak and named one, after his Auntie Elizabeth Hood, who married William Cook at Tynemouth, to become Elizabeth Cook.
Rootschatters on the Richard Gibson thread suggested tentatively that Geo baptised Gateshead 1 October 1786 and Elizabeth baptised Newcastle possibly share the same father John Hood.
However, we don't have a Gibson in James Hood's childrens names, but we cannot confirm the suggestion either way, anyway.
Unused surnames:-
COOK
ALFRED
PEARSON
I do have the main parts of two HOOD Yorkshire Wills noted from Registers, where the second Witness was given as Pearson and Peirson.
May 1795 Mary Hood of Walkeringham, Notts, with reference to daughters Ann Simpson, widow and Dorothy Clayton, Spinster, with 2nd Witness Edm'd Pearson.
June 1795 Margaret Hood late of Howden, but now of Bubwith, Yorkshire, Spinster who bequeaths to my Cousin Jane Jackson, Daughter of Robert Jackson of Newbald Yorkshire. Matthew Tate of Bubwith, Farmer his heirs and assigns was to have the use of the closes, Lands and Hereditaments and Peal Estate and also Sole Executor. Witnesses were Geo Ion [or ?Jon] and John Peirson.
Noticed in the past that Witnesses to Wills, can be:- neighbours; family; Clerks or Solicitors.
Regards Mark
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Hello Goughy and All
Been considering that nearly all of James and Sarah Hood's children and especially the latter ones were boys. Therefore, James and Sarah Hood may not have had enough girls, to follow exactly as those names above, where we have matched both first and middle name of three children to an ancestor of James and Sarah Hood.
Therefore, only the boys middle name (surname Pearson, or Alfred) might apply, if the boy/s was/were named after a female ancestor:-
Perhaps George was an illegitimate child of an Elizabeth Cook, by a Hood, or John Hood the mariner of Selby had 'liaisons' in other other Ports or harbours.
Allegation/Bond[?] and Marriage
Banbridge Hood aged 22 (b. abt. 1746) and Elizabeth Pearson aged 24 (b. abt. 1744), York 14 December 1768.
Banbridge Hood marriage, St Mary, Beverley 15 December 1768.
As well as wanting to check more on Gateshead 1st October 1786 to see if the suggestion can be proven.
I will also try and check out the above Banbridge / Bainbridge because:-
I'm fairly certain Beverley was mentioned and not a product of my imagination problem, as I thought as a child fancy calling a place after a girl's name.
There were Banbridge / Bambridge / Bainbridge HOOD born Selby (seems only one baptism in transcriptions, but can't be sure) and although he died and his twin appeared to die, possibly a side-ways Hood relative named their son the same.
Bainbridge surname is appearing in "The Annual Monitor" one instance, is a couple where she has died a Quaker aged 80, taking her birth back into the 18th Century.
Although Bainbridge Hood, does not seem to feature, in the Society of Friends.
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The Archives which hold some Yorkshire Quaker records including Selby, have implied, to expect a lengthy hunt, over more than one visit to do James childrens births, along with the Meetings records and then look at other Quaker places!
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Also got to consider (as suggested on Rootschat), possibly my George was illegitimate. Also, I have this feeling of George Hood being educated but turning his back on a privileged life, or being paid off to disappear and make a life of his own, hence, buying the Cooper business at Selby.
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But seeing dobfarm's find, a George Hood as Occupier in the 1813 Land Tax at Knottingley, coincidentally with a George Wilkinson the owner, showing up for only one year, makes me think stopover, enroute from somewhere, or George Wilkinson himself was involved, or perhaps George Hood's first abode at around the age of about 26.
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Anyway, I can bet the very record I need is tucked away in an archive and not online.
It was clear that one of James Hood's descendants, were also searching their origin and seem to be stuck too.
We'll have to holiday in Yorkshire soon, perhaps some shops, might entice Mrs H?
Kind regards to you all, Mark
EDIT: sorry but noticed I had missed off HOOD surname for the Banbridge / Bambridge /Bainbridge Hood events at Selby.
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An orphan or illegitimate child of a single mum being responsibly funded by the relief of the parish overseer who intern collect payment from a known father, the parish educate and later school the child in a trade. The father or adopted father could fund the child in later life in a business trade.
It has merit and was a common event those days-housekeeper to a young widower of means who's wife died young in child birth or illness , servant maids or barmaid girls that had contact with men of means.
I have 2 main line ancestor Gt granddads -one a son born illegitimate (one of five children of the odd couple) to a house keeper who took his widowed fathers surname and the other an illegitimate ancestor, a son of an innkeeper and the mother a barmaid who later married the innkeeper after his wife died.
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm and Goughy.
I read this and went to bed.
http://www.howdenshirehistory.co.uk/cowick-cook-emigration-america.html
I awoke in the night whilst having a dream about Elizabeth Cook.
Elizabeth Cook had got pregnant and George Cook was baptised in Yorkshire. He was apprenticed as George Cook, but took Hood from his father after serving his time.
Funny, dreams, aren't they.
Regards Mark
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Think its time to do some decorating - If George is entering your dreams ;D
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
So...... the Cook and Pearson names are looking as though they are from GH's side of the family (unless they went totally off-piste!).
Naming children from grandparents, particularly female surnames, etc is quite common and still goes on today. Usually, the female surnames point research "in the right" direction, but hey ho in the case of GH who knows!!
Hi All
Been looking at some of the Scottish places, my Grandmother Hood took us to, as small children, often castles, defended places and other places in the middle of knowhere, some where battles were fought.
My Father was still adamant the other day, that we came from Scotland.
Hood, Pearson and Cook names, feature in the restoration of King Charles II.
Colonel Hood and Others under General Monck, came from Scotland in 1660.
Some Hoods are known to have settled at, or in the region of Northallerton, Co. of York.
Colonel Pearson was at Northallerton in 1659 ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sB9EAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=%22Colonel+Pearson%22+%22General+monck%22&source=bl&ots=ihGcs1sryD&sig=Vk3nuGnQbWA_IHkZfhNpABovB1g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-4P6hzdjQAhUCKcAKHfuXA4MQ6AEIGjAA
John Cook as the government Solicitor defended the traitors and ended up being hung.
I notice places attacked by General Monck in Scotland, I was taken to as a boy, my Father has many slides of me and my teddy bear, Sister, Mother and Grandmother Hood and Grandfather.
One photo is a derelict castle, near the Scottish coast, we tried to walk across fields to and I ended up being carried, with the others staying behind.
Regards Mark
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Was your grandmother herself (maiden name [not Hood]) from Scottish origins;- hence her interest in Scotland
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Was your grandmother herself (maiden name [not Hood]) from Scottish origins;- hence her interest in Scotland
My late Grandmother was born Leicester 1909 and won a Scholarship to the Grammar School, married my Grandfather Hood (former City Boys School pupil), becoming a Pensioned War Widow in WW 2 (before I was born). My late Grandfather Hood, descended from from his Gt. Grandfather George Hood, Leather Merchant, born Selby; who was Son of John Hood of Selby, Tanner; Son of the mysterious George Hood dying Selby 1845, grave unknown.
About 19 years later my Grandmother remarried, to a MacLachlan, his family ancestors fought at Culloden.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Maclachlan
My Grandmother was a great pianist.
Regards Mark
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Places, I recall us being taken to, were:-
Fort William Inverlochy
Stirling Castle
Inveraray
General Monck attacked Dundee and Stirling in the 1650s, before heading into England.
Argyll had retired back to Inveraray previously and Inverlochy, but some letters written by Argyll to Monck were to prove his undoing and Argyll went to see Charles II, but was executed soon after in 1661.
I'll ring my Father and find out, the other places we went to?
Regards Mark
EDIT: I'm afraid unless, we can turn something up, on our next visit to Yorkshire, George's ancestry will remain inconclusive! Having no known grave, is like a murder Detective, with no body.
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Hello All
Found a Hood of Selby, Barber, on Ancestry, in the Catholic Landowners Return of Lady Petrie dated about 1720, a while ago.
Regarding these names of James and Sarah Hood's (Sarah Hood nee Arundel, alias Wilkinson) children and the Scottish suggestion of being Ancestors (three of the names match up to known Hood of Selby ancestors) ...
Elizabeth Cook Hood
John Wilkinson Hood
William Russell Hood
James Alfred Hood
George Arundel Hood
Bernard Pearson HOOD
Discovered in the early 18th Century that there was an Isaack Bernard and wife Mary living in an adjacent property to Richard Peirson, at Selby.
Is there an Isaack Bernard, listed in the Catholic Landowners Return of circa 1720 for Selby, please?
Couldn't find any 'Bernard' surname in the Selby Parish Register transcriptions.
Thanks, Mark
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Hi Mark
Transcribed as BARNARD on Anc* in the West Yorkshire, Roman Catholic Oath Records : Year abt. 1717
Claire
PS Sorry it's so tiny ~ one day I may get the hang of it :(
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You beat me to it Claire.
From Parish Records Issac Bernard married Mary Cook 20 April 1707 Selby Abbey
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Both surnames in that marriage occuring in Hood family ~ that's a good find Goughy :)
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Hi Mark
Transcribed as BARNARD on Anc* in the West Yorkshire, Roman Catholic Oath Records : Year abt. 1717
Claire
You beat me to it Claire.
From Parish Records Issac Bernard married Mary Cook 20 April 1707 Selby Abbey
Hi Claire and Goughy
Brilliant, thank you both, I must have missed that marriage in the Selby transcriptions!
Image ...
Messuage Kiln and horse mill in Selby aforesaid belonging to and in possession of Jefferey Ba [unreadable]
A Free rent of One shilling and Eight pence payable to her and yearly Issueing out of two Messuages formerly Mr Cooks in Selby aforesaid belonging to Mrs Mary Barnard and in poss'ion of Mrs Mary Barnard Mr Thomas Moseley and Charles Bateson. [sic]
Will of Roger Hood of Selby, 1727
Regarding the reference to Thomas Moseley (in Claire's find), this is also interesting because looking at the Will of Roger Hood of Selby dated 14th March 1727 John Mosele & Ann Barker living in Wren Lane are left Five Pounds in Trust for Roger Hood's Nephew German Camp.
Obviously a link Cook to Barnard (spelt as Bernard in a manuscript document).
Unfortunately, another find is required, to get to George Hood.
Thanks again, Mark
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Image ...
Messuage Kiln and horse mill in Selby aforesaid belonging to and in possession of Jefferey Ba [unreadable] a Free rent of One shilling and Eight pence payable to her and yearly Issueing out of two Messuages formerly Mr Cooks in Selby aforesaid belonging to Mrs Mary Barnard and in poss'ion of Mrs Mary Barnard Mr Thomas Moseley and Charles Bateson. [sic]
The wording in the first line up to "in possession of Jeffrey B.... relates to the entry above the reference to Mary Barnard.... i.e. the entry is
"A free rent of One shilling and Eight pence payable to her and yearly Issueing out of two Messuages formerly Mr Cooks in Selby aforesaid belonging to Mrs Mary Barnard and in poss'ion of Mrs Mary Barnard Mr Thomas Moseley and Charles Bateson"
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Hello All
Thanks Goughy, yes, it is a large 'A' and the next part, re Barnard / Bernard.
Regarding Richard Peirson of Selby ...
According to the YAS Catalogue online Pdf ...
28th May, 1708, 7th Anne. Bet Thos. Stradling of Burn, Gent and Eliz. his wife 1; Richard Peirson of Selby, Gent, Other. Cons 5/-. Quarter part of the Mannor of Bourne als Burne and Courts Leet ... LEASE For A Year.
Richard Peirson seems to sell his interest in Burn, near Selby in 1721 for £ 500.
John Hood was an occupier of a Tenement, in a Messuage that was divided into two Tenements, with an Orchard (1802 Deed Registration).
Jane Hood was buried Selby, August 1803, aged 65, Wife of John Hood, Mariner, but her origin is unconfirmed.
Regards Mark
Edit: According to the Catholic Returns of Lands
The farm of Richard Peirson off Market Place, Selby, in 1720 was occupied by Hood, a Barber.
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Following your line of thinking
George Pearson (Illegitimate ?)
Baptism 22 Nov 1789 RAWCLIFFE BY GOOLE,YORK,ENGLAND
Mother's Name Hannah Pearson
No Father given -so who was the father
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No extra info on the baptism other than he was illegitimate and mother was a pauper
Snaith: 29 November 1796 a William COWARD widower labourer, and Hannah PEARSON spinster both of Rawcliffe married after Banns.
She signed register he left X
Witnesses: David CAWOOD and Richard Hankes possibly says HANBY.
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Hannah Pearson spinster married 1796 - 7 years after George was born 1789 pauper probably bringing George up on limited parish relief income - parish overseer who should have applied for a bastardy order on the father - so the father of George could be a different father to the man she married if its the same Hannah.
Its thin but one never knows
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Thanks dobfarm & Claire
Family Search images for Rawcliffe / Goole ...
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/723847?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Regards Mark
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Try FindMyPast for images.
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Thanks dobfarm & Claire
Family Search images for Rawcliffe / Goole ...
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/723847?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Regards Mark
Hi Bumblebee, got them on Family Search.
Thanks Mark
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Hi All
Circa 1830 Rawcliffe/Goole - Ann Cook receiving 1/6 ; 2/6 ; 5/-
F.BMD Ann Cook Death June Qtr 1841 District of Goole.
ANN COOK age 82 years (& 2nd entry, age 84) GRO
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in GOOLE UNION Volume 23 Page 172
Any info, or Death Cert online please, but missed 1841 Census?
Thanks Mark
For some odd reason I repeatedly keep thinking Ann Cook, but noticed James & Sarah Hood's child was Elizabeth Cook Hood. (Eliz Cook fits with James suggested Aunt at Tynemouth, assuming the John Hood mariner there, was my George Hood's father).
Elizabeth Cook Hood married John Blanchard Sugars 1876 at Selby
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.181
Reply #181 Don't know why I was eager to rule out the Simpson surname though. Ref: Simpsons bookcase in Jane Hood nee Casson died 1894, Will.
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Hello All
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Regarding these names of James and Sarah Hood's (Sarah Hood nee Arundel, alias Wilkinson) children and the Scottish suggestion of being Ancestors (three of the names match up to known Hood of Selby ancestors) ...
Elizabeth Cook Hood
John Wilkinson Hood
William Russell Hood
James Alfred Hood
George Arundel Hood
Bernard Pearson Hood
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Hello All
George Hood & Elizabeth Cook reputed to be 1816 and the Sand Hutton, near Thirsk?
Be interested to know, what the actual record does say, date and other information, please?
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%20batch_number%3AM10563-1&offset=20
Thanks Mark
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1 June 1816 - Sandhutton cum Carlton - by Banns
George Hood, bachelor (x) otp and Elizabeth Cook, widow (x) otp married in this Chapel Carlton. Witnesses: William Hodgson, Richard Hodgson, John Stainthorp and Ellen Parker.
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1 June 1816 - Sandhutton cum Carlton - by Banns
George Hood, bachelor (x) otp and Elizabeth Cook, widow (x) otp married in this Chapel Carlton. Witnesses: William Hodgson, Richard Hodgson, John Stainthorp and Ellen Parker.
Thanks Bumblebee
Regards Mark
EDIT:
An Abraham Hodgson was one of the Defendants in the Nicholson V Nicholson case
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9239788
An Abraham Hodgson of Kingston upon Hull, Gentleman was one of several parties involved, in a property transfer to George Hood of Selby, Brewer (Nicholson and Others to Collinson. 1838)
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1 June 1816 - Sandhutton cum Carlton - by Banns
George Hood, bachelor (x) otp and Elizabeth Cook, widow (x) otp married in this Chapel Carlton. Witnesses: William Hodgson, Richard Hodgson, John Stainthorp and Ellen Parker.
Hood - Hodgsons possible link? ...
John Hodgson = Jane Hood 16 July 1798
St Leonard, New Malton
Who were the witnesses please?
Thanks Mark
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William Monkman(d) and John Douthwaite
Botp by Banns - Jane (x)
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Thanks Bumblebee
Never heard of them two.
Regards Mark
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John Douthwaite appears to be a parish official - Clerk - a witness to a number of marriages.
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Hello All
Found this ...
Selby Poor Rate paid by Occupiers and Owners 1839
George Hood's (my 4 x Gt. G.) Gowthorpe Tannery & House was owned by William Proctor.
William Proctor of Selby was a Quaker, page 122 ...
https://archive.org/stream/journaloffriends1516frie
Seems some Proctors were linked to the Richardsons ...
i) of Gt. Ayton?
[PDF] The Richardson family - Great Ayton
by Ian Pearce
and possibly
ii) of Low Lights Tannery and a Tannery at Whitby?
Records of a Quaker Family: The Richardsons of Cleveland 1889
https://archive.org/stream/recordsofquakerf00boyc
Deborah Proctor of Selby marrying Aaron Richardson; Cassons and other Selby characters mentioned, some touched on before.
The large book online about the Richardsons of Cleveland (Quakers) and their Tannery interests - but not one sniff of a mention of any Hood!!
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Newspaper Sale in 1864
My 3 x Gt. G. John Hood of Selby married Sarah Richardson (born Selby per Census) at Sculcoates 1846 and continued the Gowthorpe, Selby Tannery of Mary Jackson.
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In the 1839 Rate Book, I did notice a Mark Fothergill living adjacent to the Tannery at Gowthorpe, occupied by George Hood. If he is a son or brother of John Fothergill, he has Hood ancestry.
The Gowthorpe, Selby, Property owned by the Hoods, was a House divided into 3, a Brewery and Malt-kiln, Carpentry shop, warehousing & yard. Also a place, with a Malt-kiln at Wren Lane, Selby.
1839 - Names of those living in George Hood's properties, Gowthorpe, Selby Any Hood connection please:-
Robert Wilkinson
William Penrose
Richard Nutt [in 1823 when owned by Mrs Clark - John Nutt]
Thos Bedford
John Elliott
Wd Farrington / Fanington
Thank you
Regards Mark
We tried looking it up at 'Silver surfers' but Selby Quaker Registers online (RG Series on Ancestry) only go to about 1781, but hoping to order a film, covering about 300 years into the 19th Cent.
Noticed the Quakers buried an individual listed as "Not a Quaker" too.
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Following your line of thinking
George Pearson (Illegitimate ?)
Baptism 22 Nov 1789 RAWCLIFFE BY GOOLE,YORK,ENGLAND
Mother's Name Hannah Pearson
No Father given -so who was the father
October 1784
To Rawcliffe [Rawcliffe Snaith] re Ann Pearson of Sutton
delivered of a Female child
Seems like the above George possibly had a sister, or half sister.
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So you can't rule him in or rule him out and the baptism 1789 of George Pearson is the minimum age 56 in 1845 as he could be older. Yet its the only illegitimate child that fits the middle (Sur) names of James's children and near G Hood's round off birth year circa 1785-1787
Irrotating. isn't it :-\ on name theories (poor law would have educated George and maybe into a trade.)
in ......................................... out
Sod's law again. !!
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Hello All
This COOKIN surname is very rare (the 1st witness on George Hood's 1815 Selby marriage).
The earliest COOKIN on Free BMD was a death of John COOKIN in 1838, District Runcorn.
I discovered two more Runcorn COOKINS in a 13th January 1844 Bolton Chronicle.
My 2 X Gt Grandfather, also George Hood, widower was resident in BOWDON, County of Chester when he married Cecilia Westley in Dec 1872 (1871 Census at Peel Causeway, Hale, with Charlotte Hood, nee Middleton).
Also 14th November 1872 when William Hood his Brother married Elizabeth Ann Foster Parish of Manchester, he gave his residence as BOWDON, too (Wm Hood's birthplace incorrectly transcribed as Sedley, on 1881 Chorlton upon Medlock Census).
In 1881 Beatrice M Hood, born Selby, was an Apprentice, at Chorlton on Medlock.
I posted on Rootschat Cheshire, asking for Thomas COOKIN died Runcorn ... Cookin family members
and initial replies here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=762513.0
Seems there was a COOKIN family?
Cookin is so rare, I wonder if some link with Cookin and Cheshire alias County of Chester?
Regards Mark
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It would seem there are quite a few Cookin/Cockin families in Chester, just found a Quaker marriage too
On the 15th day of the third month 1810 ~ JOHN COCKIN of Stockport, Cheshire, porter dealer. Son of RICHARD COCKIN of DONCASTER, County of YORK, glover, and Deborah his wife, she being deceased.
Mary ALLCARD dau of JAMES ALLCARD of London and Sarah his wife, also deceased.
Married at a Meeting in Leek, Staffs.
Witnesses: Oliver Sims, druggist, Stockport. George Jones, Stockport, draper and Francis West, Little Rinehall, farmer.
claire
EDIT: There are Hoods there too, an Ann HOOD married in ASTBURY in 1819 to a William LEES, one of the witnesses was a George Hood, but as luck would have it ~ it was only a BT, can't find an actual parish register to scrutinise the signature.
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It would seem there are quite a few Cookin/Cockin families in Chester, just found a Quaker marriage too
On the 15th day of the third month 1810 ~ JOHN COCKIN of Stockport, Cheshire, porter dealer. Son of RICHARD COCKIN of DONCASTER, County of YORK, glover, and Deborah his wife, she being deceased.
Mary ALLCARD dau of JAMES ALLCARD of London and Sarah his wife, also deceased.
Married at a Meeting in Leek, Staffs.
Witnesses: Oliver Sims, druggist, Stockport. George Jones, Stockport, draper and Francis West, Little Rinehall, farmer.
claire
EDIT: There are Hoods there too, an Ann HOOD married in ASTBURY in 1819 to a William LEES, one of the witnesses was a George Hood, but as luck would have it ~ it was only a BT, can't find an actual parish register to scrutinise the signature.
Hi Claire
Thank you, can anyone access a copy / Hood Signature, please? If not I'll try Archives.
Later in the life of my mystery George Hood 1830 to 1845, his business dealings (owner of the Tannery buildings, two of George Hood's Tenants; the Umpire in his Will) were all Quakers, or Independents.
A John Cockin and Joshua Cockin of Holmfirth / Halifax, were known Yorks Independents.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520384.36
Selby Independent / Congregational came under Hull, but a minister occasionally attended from Halifax / Huddersfield.
Richard Cockin of Doncaster, Yorkshire was a Quaker, died 1845, aged 92. His Son John Cockin, being linked to Cheshire you found, is interesting.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=L_8pAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=%22the+annual+monitor%22+%22Richard+Cockin%22+Doncaster&source=bl&ots=8O__9DJnZ-&sig=WxnVoExpDWseJ4WJu3DmzH8_b1o&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQr63Sj7PRAhUETJAKHdbWC1UQ6AEIGjAA
Regards Mark
EDIT: The Hoods at:-
Bardon Park, Leicestershire (had their own Chapel. Got their Tree, but not all their Tree relations might be listed) and
Hoods of Atherstone [North] Warwickshire were Clockmakers and Independents (N.C.)
Fothergill in 1848 listed under Soc of Friends, Selby, York, Thirsk &c. (possibly of Selby).
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Don't know if any help, but here (I believe) is my 2 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood, in the Altrincham 1871 Directory for Bowdon, Dunham Massey, Hale, Hale Barns, Peel Causeway, Ringway.
"Altrincham is a Market Town and Chapelry in the Parish of Bowdon and hundred of Bucklow" ... .
George Hood, Bachelor, a Commercial Traveller, Residence Bowdon, Father John Hood, Tanner, got married at Bowdon Church, Parish of Bowdon, County of Chester, to Charlotte Middleton 22nd August 1870.
I have added the other places of Worship anyway.
Whether George Hood's Grandfather (George Hood of Selby) had anything to do with the Cheshire Cookins or Cockins remains to be seen?
Regards Mark
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Ann Hood X Willaim Lees
marriage: Astbury
28 August 1819 (date taken from BT's family search)
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/churches/astbury.html
Manchester central library
Microfilm Astbury Church PR -number MFPR 828
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/directory_record/211501/st_mary_astbury/category/785/marriagesregisters
If you contact the library they shouldn't charge that much for a copy of the MF image
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BT image is on FindMyPast:
28 August 1819 - William Lees of this parish, Sailor and Bachelor and Ann Hood (x) of this parish Spinster. Witnesses: George Hood and John Turner (possibly a church official as he is witness to a number of marriages).
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Hello All
Thanks for the replies.
1) George Hood's arbitrator and friend was Jonathan Hutchinson. One kept a Diary.
http://www.haslemeremuseum.co.uk/about.html
Jonathan Hutchinson; Proctor family and John Green; John Adams; the Collinsons were either Quakers or Independents.
2) George Hood's other Tenants had family links to Quakers or Independents.
Hood's Tenant - a Thomas Bedford married Margaret Hick at Selby 1829.
In the Leeds Mercury 19 April 1834 regarding "Distraints on Quakers for Church Rates at Selby" it names Thomas Marshall; David Hick; Jane and Barbara Proctor and finally Elizabeth Proctor.
Hood's Tenant - Widow Farrington. A Mary Farrington was probably either nee Mary Shaw (wedding witnessed by Mary & John Adams), or nee Mary Adams.
Enquiring about the Diary & Sept 1845 Selby Quaker Meeting records.
Kind regards Mark
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Forgot to mention, in the 18th Century, some of the COOK family at Selby were Quakers, whilst other Cook(e) were C of E.
Regards Mark
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A lone wolf-entry (date is interesting ie: Your George Hood d 1845 est born 1785/87 and 1807 R Gibson went bankrupt also that lone wolf entry in Knottingley of a George Hood land tax about 1813)
a blip on the radar screen (maybe an adventuring young man - a George moving about finding his footing in life ?)
George Hood
England, Cheshire, Land Tax Assessments, 1778-1832
residence:
1806
Marple, Cheshire, England
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A wealthy lone wolf by the looks of it Dobfarm ;D
claire
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John Person (Pearson ?) above
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A lone wolf-entry (date is interesting ie: Your George Hood d 1845 est born 1785/87 and 1807 R Gibson went bankrupt also that lone wolf entry in Knottingley of a George Hood land tax about 1813)
a blip on the radar screen (maybe an adventuring young man - a George moving about finding his footing in life ?)
George Hood
England, Cheshire, Land Tax Assessments, 1778-1832
residence:
1806
Marple, Cheshire, England
Thank you dobfarm and Claire
A Geo Hood in the Marple Land Tax as a "Proprietor" (Owner).
Regards Mark
EDIT 1845 Joseph Hood at Bunbury & Thomas Hood at Astbury ...
http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/Search.aspx?srch=st.1!n.Hood!x.0
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Ordered Astbury PR marriage
Regards Mark
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Hi
Re: Ann HOOD married William Lees, ASTBURY on 28th August 1819.
The Astbury photocopy arrived today and I don't feel George's signature is a match.
Awaiting some other enquiries.
Thank you. Regards Mark
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Hi
Re: Ann HOOD married William Lees, ASTBURY on 28th August 1819.
The Astbury photocopy arrived today and I don't feel George's signature is a match.
Awaiting some other enquiries.
Thank you. Regards Mark
That comes not exactly unexpected.
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One day in a year to come maybe worth a look at
Lancashire Archives
Bow Lane, Preston, Lancashire, PR1 2RE
Tel: 01772 533039 Email: record.office@lancashire.gov.uk
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/visit-lancashire-archives/lancashire-archives.aspx
12th cent-19th cent: Lancs (Dunkenhalgh, etc) and Yorks (Selby Abbey, etc) deeds, family and estate papers
Lancashire Archives
DDPt
NRA 6100 RC Petre
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13861017
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Lancashire Archives
12th cent-19th cent: Lancs (Dunkenhalgh, etc) and Yorks (Selby Abbey, etc) deeds, family and estate papers
Lancashire Archives
DDPt
NRA 6100 RC Petre
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13861017
Thank you very much dobfarm
Sent email.
We need to see a circa 1812 takeover of the Rental or other Agreement with Petre, or Petre's Manor Survey/ Rentals, when George Hood took over the premises from Gibson, at Selby.
Regards Mark
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That's what I was thinking, 'George Hood from or born the parish of ' in any paperwork or letter applying ?
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Might be a Tenant/Rental Agreement, Copy between George Hood and the Manor or Petre.
If a Tenant of the Manor, you sometimes get this, e.g. ...
Rental in the Year xxxx
Joe Green (Father Richard Green dec'd) £0 . 15s . 3d
John Smith £0 . 20s . 1d
Surveyed in the Year xxxx
Joe Green (Father Richard Green dec'd) 5 Acres 2 Roods 10 perches
Tried Hull and we've heard from Essex Archives.
Thanks Mark
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...
And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.
I think it says John Hopworth or Hepworth
Hello All
Yes, John Hepworth, so Hepworth with possible links to William Cockin and/or Ann Robinson.
Internet search ... "Henry Mitton" Snaith Hepworth
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Henry+Mitton%22+Snaith+Hepworth&start=0
gives documents mentioning Hepworth, with Snaith and Henry Mitton.
Seems the book by Boaz is attempting to link a William Hepworth to Henry Mitton, Maltster, Gentleman of Snaith.
George Hood and Henry Mitton, Maltster of Snaith
One of the Wren Lane, Selby Deed Registrations of 1833 for a property of John Clarkson of Newport in the Parish of Eastrington to George Hood of Selby Brewer (neighbouring a property of the Hon. Edward Robert Petre already in George Hood's occupation), indicates John Clarkson George Hood and Henry Mitton of Snaith County of York have signed the Release, regarding the transfer to George Hood.
George Hood diversified into Brewing between 1824 & 1826 (per occupation in children's baptisms) and may have been in business with Henry Mitton, before he purchased John Clarkson's property, occupied by Henry Mitton's Malt-kiln in Wren Lane.
Whether Cockin - Hepworth - Mitton - Hood, are partly or wholly linked or related to each other, or partly business ties, remains to be discovered?
Regards Mark
EDIT
Forgot I had posted this for someone else ...
Leeds Intelligencer - 31st January 1803
"A few days ago died, aged 76, Mrs Hepworth, mother of Mr Cockin, dissenting minister, in Halifax."
14 Pages with Cockin refs here ...
https://archive.org/stream/halifaxbooksauth00turnuoft#page/n1/mode/2up
Lane Independent Chapel, Holmfirth ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520384.36
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Hannah Hepworth buried 21 January 1803 Halifax Square Chapel, Independant, "late of Huddersfield"
Hannah Cockin married Joseph Hepworth after Banns at Huddersfield 17 March 1782.
Both left their mark.
Witnesses: Edward Townsend and James Booth.
No mention of either being bachelor, spinster etc. just both OTP.
Claire
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Hannah Hepworth buried 21 January 1803 Halifax Square Chapel, Independant, "late of Huddersfield"
Hannah Cockin married Joseph Hepworth after Banns at Huddersfield 17 March 1782.
Both left their mark.
Witnesses: Edward Townsend and James Booth.
No mention of either being bachelor, spinster etc. just both OTP.
Claire
Thanks Claire
Had this feeling for a while, that despite George having his children baptised in Selby Abbey Church, he might be a non-conformist, at a time, or times during his life.
In 1839 George Hood was also renting premises in Gowthorpe from the Procters (Quakers) and George had let his neighbouring premises to various non-conformists (N.C.) and had business associations with Independents and Quakers.
So if he was not N.C., he was certainly doing business with them.
The Quaker Library (Archive) have responded saying their most recent BMD Digests [Indexes] end about 1837.
I shall have to chase up the 1845 Quaker Burial enquiry made, with those holding Quaker Registers. Quakers occasionly buried a non-Quaker.
Mark
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Hello
In the Doctorate Thesis, Religion and Society in the Parish of Halifax, c. 1740 - 1914, by John A. Hargreaves (1991) he refers to ...
"In 1815 the Reverend James Cockin" ... "of his expanding congregation at Square Chapel to hire a building recently occupied by the Southcottians" ... (89)
Are the Square Chapel records online please and any signature for this James Cockin, please?
Regards Mark
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Manor of Selby Court Book commencing 1816
The Honourable E R Petre, with M Mitton as his Steward [E. R. Petre - Edward Robert Petre].
Manor of Selby Court exercised control over the:-
Manor of Selby
Manor of Brayton
Manor of Thorpe Willoughby
Manor of Monk Fryston
Manor of Hambleton and
Manor of Hillam
1798 Selby Abbey - reference to Brayton and Pontefract - Reply # 11.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6087125#msg6087125
TNA Will (PROB 11) MITTON search 1700 to 1833 with "York*" (to cover Co. of York and Yorkshire)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Mitton%20York%2A&_ep=mitton&_cr=PROB%2011&_dss=range&_sd=1700&_ed=1833&_ro=any&_st=adv
Although it appears George Hood had business links to Henry Mitton of Snaith Maltster, there are other references to a Henry Mitton and Michael Mitton, at Ackworth Church, here ...
https://archive.org/stream/parochialhistor00saywgoog
Henry Mitton, of Ackworth, left £20 (Duty deducted), the interest to be paid to 20 poor widows, yearly, ...
MITTON'S CHARITY
A George Hood appearing in the Knottingley Land Tax of 1813, for just One Year ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6119880#msg6119880
QUOTE from Goughy ...
Brief background on "Mr Pearson Solicitor marrying Miss Mitton.
"Mr Pearson" was Mathew Pearson a Solicitor in Selby. He was born in Laughton-en-le-Morthen (Rotherham, Yorkshire) in 1774 to John Pearson (Yeoman) and Francis Sinclair. He married Sarah Ann Mitton.
Henry Mitton, Brewer of Snaith married Mary Eaden of Kellington 1 Jan 1775. He died 1803 in Snaith. He had a son Henry born 1790 (farmer in Snaith in 1828). His eldest son William took over his father's copyhold in Snaith.
END of quote.
Seems we have a John COOK linked to this Knottingley property in 1812 and owned by George WILKINSON, with a George Hood only there for a year in 1813. Two surnames on our Radar.
EDITED (link changed)
Knottingley image extacts here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6086926#msg6086926
Wonder what this George Hood was up to at Knottingley if the same George Hood, as ours was at Selby in 1812?
Regards Mark
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Anything on George Wilkinson at Knottingley, please? Found him in Baines 1822 Directory ...
Seems we have a John COOK linked to this Knottingley property in 1812 and owned by George WILKINSON, with a George Hood only there for a year in 1813. Two surnames on our Radar.
EDITED (link changed)
Knottingley image extacts here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6086926#msg6086926
Regards Mark
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The Will I have sent belongs to the father of Sarah Ann MITTON ~ she is mentioned in the Will as Pearson. Another name that crops up a fair bit is POPPLEWELL ~ I think that's what it says.
claire
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Hi
Cockins of Luddington Lincs, have been touched on before by Jomot, but maybe worth a second look.
In trying to find something about the Thomas C in your post I came across this marriage by Licence.
Thomas Cockin (aged 24 and of Luddington, Lincs.) and Margrit CHESTER (18 a minor of Hatfield) married at Hatfield 17 Aug. 1796
Both signed
Witnesses: Mary Hutton, Thomas Chester and Robt. Cockin
Wonder if there is a family link with Chester Newby's mother Hannah Newby nee Chester ?
If the burial of Hannah I've found is the correct one in 1839, her entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY of Carlton, Snaith Yorks. .... Wm Mitton, Stamford Lincoln.
William Mitton bn Snaith 1789 son of Henry & Mary Mitton nee Eadon.
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When Richard Gibson married Eleanor Wainwright in 1792 one of the witnesses was a RICHARD GOLTON a tailor ( son of a Richard Golton of Wistow). Richard Golton (the witness) had a son Richard in 1779 who married an Elizabeth Perkin ( father Thomas Perkin of Berwick) c1803.
In 1812 Richard GOULTON bn 1779 was buried in Selby , a ELIZABETH GOLTON a widow married CHESTER NEWBY 1814
claire
Other QUOTES
On George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bond, it was signed by:-
George Hood and Chester Newby of Selby, a miller.
Earlier reply #160 from Goughy 26 October 2015
Chester Newby
Born in Whitley Bridge 1790 Parents Thomas and Hannah Newby (nee Chester)
Married Elizabeth Goulton 30 Jan 1814 (Chester of Snaith Parish - Elizabeth Selby Parish
Re-married 1841 in Rawcliffe, Goole to Mary Ann Pease - residence at time of marriage Barlow
1841 Census residence Barlow
1851 Census visitor Barlow
Died 25 Sept 1859 Selby District
Probate Calendar describes him as Gentleman of Snaith
Goughy
END OF QUOTES
Hannah Newby, Death Certificate (alias Hannah Nuby in Probate Register)
Registration District SELBY
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Snaith in the County of York
Fourteenth of April 1839 At Carlton
HANNAH NEWBY
Female
Age 77
Widow of Thomas Newby Farmer
Age & Debility
Informant The Mark of X HANNAH PRECIOUS Carlton Present at the Death
Registered Seventeenth of April 1839
Thomas Perkins Registrar
Confirms Widow of Thomas Newby, Farmer, was Hannah Newby [nee Chester].
Regards Mark
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Hannah Hepworth buried 21 January 1803 Halifax Square Chapel, Independant, "late of Huddersfield"
Hannah Cockin married Joseph Hepworth after Banns at Huddersfield 17 March 1782.
Both left their mark.
Witnesses: Edward Townsend and James Booth.
No mention of either being bachelor, spinster etc. just both OTP.
Claire
See the origin of the quote and then the newspaper Deaths notice in my reply above it.
According to the newspapers the dissenting minister was either John; or Joseph Cockin. Also a possible James Cockin according to the online thesis.
If the Hepworth = Cockin, marriage is the mother of the dissenting minister (per Deaths notice).
Was the dissenting minister born before the marriage, or born after the marriage taking his mother's maiden name, please?
Regards Mark
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Gosh these are a tricky family - there are so many Cockins in and around Huddersfield.
From the newspaper Hannah Hepworth was 76 at death birth c1727.
I think she was married before Mr Hepworth, and started life as Hannah Lockwood bpt. 29 Feb. 1727 ALMONDBURY father John a tailor.
Hannah Lockwood married John COCKIN a tailor Almondbury 27 March 1749 Almondbury.
CHILDREN: at Almondbury
Thomas bpt. 12 Jan 1750 son of John, Tailor of Honley.
John bpt. 15 Feb 1753 son of John Jnr. Tailor of Honley.
Joseph bpt. 13 March 1754 info as above.
George bpt. 16 Oct. 1758 info the same, buried 1759
Charles bpt 1 Jan 1763
David bpt 8 July 1764
George bpt 7 June 1767
John Cockin of Honley clothier buried 4 Sept 1772, also buried 7 May 1772 a son Levi.
Think this is the family, but there are an awful lot of Cockins in this area
Claire
EDIT: Given the George Hood appearing in Knottingley c1813, have the Hood family there been checked out ? A John and Sarah baptising children c1760/70s ?
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Thanks Claire
He was John Hood, the Waterman.
Reply #65 12 December 2015, Part 2, Re: George Hood Burial where? ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742805.msg5829286#msg5829286
Regards Mark
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Mark,
There is a newspaper article about the History of the Square Chapel dated 1889 ~ mentions JOSEPH COCKIN dissenting minister ~ also mentions he was of HONLEY and his father was a clothier of ALMONDBURY etc. so the correct family.
Good little article, have sent it on.
claire
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Mark,
There is a newspaper article about the History of the Square Chapel dated 1889 ~ mentions JOSEPH COCKIN dissenting minister ~ also mentions he was of HONLEY and his father was a clothier of ALMONDBURY etc. so the correct family.
Good little article, have sent it on.
claire
Hi Claire
Great work, finding that 1889 newspaper article, about John Cockin and Joseph Cockin, the Square Chapel and also mentioning Holmfirth too!
Found another article in 1889 that mentions the Rev Paxton Hood referring to a Trust Deed ...
The Huddersfield Chronicle, 26 January 1889
"THEORIES" AND "FACTS" AT
SQUARE CHAPEL, HALIFAX.
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Resignation of Deacon Crossley, M.P.
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"The trust deed amongst us is a kind of dead-
hand." So said the Rev Paxton Hood in 1881 when
commenting upon the Huddersfield case of Jones v.
Stannard, which was heard and settled in one of the
superior courts before one of the Vice-Chancellors,
after "brotherly love" had exhausted itself in search of
a local remedy. ...
Crossley was Mr Edward Crossley M.P.
Stannard - Rev J. T. Stannard (per book on internet)
Interesting the Rev Paxton Hood had apparently commented on a Trust Deed in 1881.
A coincidence or ??
Regards Mark
EDIT
I wonder if Paxton Hood had any link to the Rev Robert Hood (Independent Chapel) of Brampton and the Chapel, Hanover Square, Newcastle?
Reply #18
Thread - George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.18
1804, also found in The Lady's Magazine, or Entertaining Companion ...
30. At Brampton, in the County of Cumberland, the rev. J. Wright, of Hutton, in Dumfriesshire, to miss Hood, daughter of the late rev. Robert Hood, of Newcastle upon Tyne.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F3kEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA279&lpg=PA279&dq=%22Hood+of+Newcastle+upon+Tyne%22&source=bl&ots=1sU7y2f2Y5&sig=skFRR-rffvuh9W3rWm6YV-kqNE0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVo4qKg8LKAhWCQBoKHTLlBScQ6AEIIDAD
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Edwin Paxton Hood was born 1821 St George Hanover Square London to THOMAS Hood and Martha Davies. He was educated privately, presumably after the death of his mother in 1824, as his father served in the Royal Navy, (with Nelson ~ from Edwin's obit in 1885 after his death in Paris.)
Married three times, had one child Samuel Oughton Paxton Hood.
First time in census he was an author and lecturer of literature, following census ~ Minister.
Churches he officiated at were: Offord Road Chapel, Barnsbury. Queens Square, Brighton, Cavendish Chapel, Manchester and on his return to London, the Falcon Square Chapel.
The Trust Deed is explained here in this link ~ half way down the page under the heading ~CONGREGATIONAL CHURCHES IN HUDDERSFIELD AND DISTRICT
https://huddersfield.exposed/wiki/The_History_of_Huddersfield_and_the_Valleys_of_the_Colne,_the_Holme_and_the_Dearne_(1906)_-_Chapter_V
claire
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Lancashire Archives
...
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/visit-lancashire-archives/lancashire-archives.aspx
12th cent-19th cent: Lancs (Dunkenhalgh, etc) and Yorks (Selby Abbey, etc) deeds, family and estate papers
Lancashire Archives
DDPt
NRA 6100 RC Petre
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13861017
Thank you Claire
Jonathan Hutchinson's Diary and information at the Haslemere Museum didn't mention George Hood, [George Hood's Brewery premises in 1839 were owned by William Procter]. However, their reply did mention the Hutchinson and Procter marriage link (discussed previously), Thomas Procter and Hutchinson's Uncle Procter of Kettering.
My 2 X Gt Grandmother and family had links with Kettering.
However, I suspect Uncle Procter of Kettering and the Tibbits Hood Mausoleum at Wolfhampcote are all coincidences.
One of the Procters had children with different surnames.
I've acquired some more papers from where I got the William Hood of Selby, (Manor of Selby Admittance) papers.
Procter - Dickinson?
One is an Affirmation dated 1875, stamped Sheffield, referring to the Will of Elizabeth Proctor of Selby and claiming to be related and that Ann Dickinson was the Niece of William Procter late of Selby and that Herbert Camm Dickinson was the only Son of Ann Dickinson. Claiming that "Herbert Dickinson" mentioned in Elizabeth Procter's Last Will and Testament late of Selby and Herbert Camm Dickinson were the same person.
Manor of Selby mss
I'm hopeful that the other Petre papers, might reveal more about my slippery ancestor, who left numerous references to himself, but not revealing his origin, or his burial!
Regards Mark
EDIT:
Procter and Richardsons?
Seems George Hood at Selby has become involved with the Procters, possibly via the Marriage of his Son, John Hood to Sarah Richardson in 1846.
Online reference to Richardson of Great Ayton who were linked with Leather Tanning ... Elizabeth Procter being nee Elizabeth Slinger and a Procter Trust.
Copy will of William Procter of Selby, Esquire, 4th September 1846 - East Riding Archives DDGU/1/51
Bequests: wife; nephew Jonathan Hutchinson and wife Elizabeth; sister Elizabeth Procter; etc Property: Selby, Great Ayton, Summercroft, parish Drax, Dacre cum Beverley, Brayton, Wistow, Riccall, Hillam, Haddlesey, Burn, Osgodby, Gunby, Bubwith, etc with codicils (1849-1854)
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Funny mentioning 'Richardsons, found registers of the family today in Great Ayton. I also came across a reference to a Hood family buying a home 'the White House' in the 1920's in Great Ayton. This home was rented out in the 1800's to Quaker families.
http://greatayton.wdfiles.com/local--files/individual-houses/White-House.pdf
This then led me to the registers of Great Ayton itself, which has all PR's, NC and Quaker BMDs.
http://greatayton.wikidot.com/parish-registers
The Hood family in the White House can be traced back to the Leonard and Mary Hood that have been touched upon before.
Claire
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Thanks Claire
See also a reference to a Pease at the White House, Gt Ayton. I shall have to look through my Yorkshire Hood Wills notes.
Ordered two Death Certs, to see Relationship/Present at Death:-
Richard Hood born about 1774, Death Registered Sculcoates (aged 64).
William Hood born about 1773, Death Registered Scarborough (aged 66).
Robert Cook of Luddington
Robert Cook aged 28 of Luddington, Yorkshire. Assizes in March 1836 stealing a Gelding worth £3 at Gainsborough.
Property Owner was Thomas Tasker of Selby, Yorkshire, a ship’s Carpenter
Transported for life in 1836 aboard the Lady Nugent, to Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land), Convict 407.
(Additional information found in the Lincolnshire Archives).
Interesting a Cook from Luddington? Luddington came under Yorkshire and Lincolnshire.
Regards Mark
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Regarding the William Hood born Scarborough - there was one baptised to a John and Elizabeth Hood but think if I remember was a bit earlier than that - the baptism may be on FS, and there were two couples in Scarborough by those names.
This William was a mariner and married c1799 Scarborough.
Going back to this Leonard who married a Mary. He was born c1761 to another Leonard. There is a burial in Osmotherly c1803 for a Leonard Hood born c1729. A quick look for any birth led me to two in 1726 and 1727 in Bowden, Roxburgh, Scotland. Lennard HUD son of James and Margaret 1727, and Lennard son of Alexander and Margaret in 1726. I can't see a likely birth in Yorkshire or environs c1729 that would fit.
Claire
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Ordered two Death Certs, to see Relationship/Present at Death:-
Richard Hood born about 1774, Death Registered Sculcoates (aged 64).
William Hood born about 1773, Death Registered Scarborough (aged 66).
Regarding the William Hood born Scarborough - there was one baptised to a John and Elizabeth Hood but think if I remember was a bit earlier than that - the baptism may be on FS, and there were two couples in Scarborough by those names.
This William was a mariner and married c1799 Scarborough.
Going back to this Leonard who married a Mary. He was born c1761 to another Leonard. There is a burial in Osmotherly c1803 for a Leonard Hood born c1729. A quick look for any birth led me to two in 1726 and 1727 in Bowden, Roxburgh, Scotland. Lennard HUD son of James and Margaret 1727, and Lennard son of Alexander and Margaret in 1726. I can't see a likely birth in Yorkshire or environs c1729 that would fit.
Claire
Hi Claire
Thank you very much.
Are you saying that the Richard Hood aged 64 (born about 1774), dying at Sculcoates 1838 is probably the Son of Leonard Hood of Osmotherley?
Think this is along similar lines to what dobfarm was trying to say here ...
Richard Hood son of son of Leonard & Mary bapt 6 March 1774 Osmotherley (Richard Hood mariner Hull death 1838 circa b 1771 place unknown ? )
Thomas Hood son of Leonard (birth unknown) bapt 6 Nov 1756 ? (Married 1771 Osmotherley ?)
Leonard Hood X Mary ??- ?? marriage unknown
James Hood son of Thomas Osmotherley 1771 Osmotherley
Leonard Hood son of Leonard bapt 17 March 1761 Osmotherley
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Leonard Hood X Barbara Mather married 15 Nov 1749 St Nicholas reg and Nonconf Newcastle Upon tyne
Thank you dobfarm
EDIT According to a new post here, the 1838 Richard Hood burial at Sutton was late of Jenning Street, Groves
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756357.msg6166315#msg6166315
We'll know soon what the Richard Hood, Sculcoates Death Certificate says about his occupation.
I'd looked up "Leonard" in my Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names 1945 book and it is associated with another word 'lion'.
My Grandmother told me our names come from previous generations (reused as it were), I can't discuss here, as they wish to remain private.
Kind regards Mark
EDIT:
J. and T. Hood of Sculcoates, Yorkshire, Drapers - Partnership Dissolved 1828
Thomas Hood, Tailor, 3 Saville St, Hull - Pigot's Commercial 1828
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Ignore first paragraph Dobfarm beat me to it :)
Burial of Richard HOOD in the parish of Sutton 30 Dec. 1838, abode: Jennings Street, Grove aged 64. There was a marriage in Sutton 1817 of a Richard Hood to a Elizabeth Barrett. Looking at the 1841 census Elizabeth is by herself with three children, William, Sarah Ann and Susannah. From one of their marriage certs their father William was a mariner it would seem.
I have looked at some trees and they seem to verify these records ~ but not the parentage of Richard.
There seem to be two Richards born within a couple of years of each other, one born in Leven son of Richard and Susanna who thankfully was still alive in 1851 and had a birthplace of Leven, so I should think that this Richard may be the one born Osmotherley.
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There is also a baptism of a WILLIAM HOOD in Scalby 17 Apr 1774 son of John Hood ( possible marriage of this John in Scalby 23 Nov 1762 to Jane DICKINSON). This couple had a son John who married Jane Newby 1793 who we have discussed on the threads before.
claire
EDIT: There is another RICHARD HOOD. This one was born 1773 in Bishops Wilton son of Charles. :(
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Ignore first paragraph Dobfarm beat me to it :)
Burial of Richard HOOD in the parish of Sutton 30 Dec. 1838, abode: Jennings Street, Grove aged 64. There was a marriage in Sutton 1817 of a Richard Hood to a Elizabeth Barrett. Looking at the 1841 census Elizabeth is by herself with three children, William, Sarah Ann and Susannah. From one of their marriage certs their father William was a mariner it would seem.
I have looked at some trees and they seem to verify these records ~ but not the parentage of Richard.
There seem to be two Richards born within a couple of years of each other, one born in Leven son of Richard and Susanna who thankfully was still alive in 1851 and had a birthplace of Leven, so I should think that this Richard may be the one born Osmotherley.
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There is also a baptism of a WILLIAM HOOD in Scalby 17 Apr 1774 son of John Hood ( possible marriage of this John in Scalby 23 Nov 1762 to Jane DICKINSON). This couple had a son John who married Jane Newby 1793 who we have discussed on the threads before.
claire
EDIT: There is another RICHARD HOOD. This one was born 1773 in Bishops Wilton son of Charles. :(
Hi
Thank you Claire.
Yes the John Hood and Jane Dickinson marriage surfaced with me again, only a few days ago too. I was wondering who the heck was Jane Hood, Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner [John Hood late of Scarborough], Jane Hood being buried Selby August 1803, aged 65?
The Jane Dickinson = John Hood marriage is too early, as the descent for Mordland Turner's (nee Maudland Hood's) first child at Selby indicates John Hood of Selby, Mariner, married Elizabeth Spencer (Leppington Widow) first.
dobfarm had noticed that Sarah Richardson (born Selby per Census) was of Sculcoates on the John Hood, Tanner of Selby 1846 Marriage Certificate ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6070732#msg6070732
Two replies above (from the link) in the 1841 Census, the Richardsons are living next door to a Gibson and Gilchrist, a Cooper, with these Hoods living quite close at Sculcoates.
Regards Mark
Edits
The origins and/or some of burials of these early 19th Century Hoods of Selby are shrouded in several mysteries ???
We are working on snippets of fact, with gaps / missing paperwork?
Or is the Hood - Spencer lineage wrong in the Selby Register in 1795 but it fitted so well (see also next post)?
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1731
George Hood of Scarborough and Maudlin Spencer and note on the reverse.
See the last Edit in my last post, was the Descent in the Selby Register badly set out in 1795, for Morland Turner's (nee Maudland Hood's) first Daughter?
Maudland D. of John Hood baptised Scarbrough St Mary's 1775
Regards Mark
EDIT: The lineage given in 1795 fitted so well, that John Hood Mariner of Scarbrough married Elizabeth Leppington, Widow (nee Elizabeth Spencer)
Upon reflection, I feel Jane Hood buried Selby 1803 aged 65 is the mystery, along with the elusive George Hood?
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Mark - I am in no doubt that the lineage for Maudland/Morland Hood is correct. As you say it fits so well.
As you say the puzzle (I think) lies with Jane Hood buried 1803.
Another thing a Elizabeth Hood wife of John was buried the same day Maudland was baptised, - John Hood, I think may not have waited too long too marry again if he had to work, having very young children.
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Claire
Read this link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756357.0
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Thanks dobfarm :)
There are also two marriages both by Licence, one 1794 the other 1810. Both have groom Richard Hood, 1794 grooms residence in register Catton, a grocer. One witness was a Susannah Hood. The second marriage in 1810 a widower, wedding at York St Laurence residence Catton.
One of the witnesses a Jesse Robinson - I think it has 'MP' written after his name.
I think this sounds more like a man with some money - and possibly the man born Leven and in the census.
What do you think dobfarm ?
That still leaves a rogue Richard Hood bn 1773 Bishops Wilton roaming round the Yorkshire registers
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Best wait and see Richard Hood death details 1838 address (Jenning Street ?) and occupation. (Cooper ? Mariner ? or ***** ?)
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That still leaves a rogue Richard Hood bn 1773 Bishops Wilton roaming round the Yorkshire registers
Richard Hood baptised 3/3/1773 Bishop Wilton father Charles
Richard Hood burial 28/4/1774 Bishop Wilton father Charles
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Cheers Goughy 😀
1828 directory for Hull
Richard Hood 20 Ann Street - under Shopkeepers and dealers in Groceries and in sundries.
We're there any addresses on the children's baptisms?
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Hello All
Thanks for your inputs and replies.
Re Richard Hood, I believe 'The Brough One Name Study' (online) has possibly got the wrong Richard Hood born Leven, for the Richard Hood dying at Sculcoates/Hull in 1838 aged 64.
Leven was near Catwick. See also the 1851 Census for Stamford Bridge,
I've put a summary of the Will of Richard Hood of Catwick October 1816 ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.msg6167125#msg6167125
The Manor of Catwick had come to these Hoods from William Wells.
Link to British History Online here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.msg6005218#msg6005218
Wells Hood (born Dunnington), Wine & Spirit Merchant of York was also related to Richard Hood of Stamford Bridge born Leven (Birthplaces per 1851 Census).
Regards Mark
Interesting, that the newly enclosed Estate was held by Wilkinsons from 1732 - 1792 when they began selling it off.
I managed to purchase an 1885 document for a William Cook redeeming the Land Tax on some smaller properties at Catwick.
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Got a feeling that if this can be solved, a possible sibling of the elusive George Hood??
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765225.msg6170747#msg6170747
Not far from Barnard Castle, remember the Will of William Hood, mentioning Barnard Castle and an unknown George Hood in the same Will??
Reply # 127. George Hood Burial where? ... thread, Part 1 17 October 15
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5783679#msg5783679
This area is one of those odd places with parts under Yorkshire and Durham, with part of the area under the Diocese of Chester, with some Parishes having Registers, but no IGI.
Regards Mark
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Thanks Claire
See also a reference to a Pease at the White House, Gt Ayton. I shall have to look through my Yorkshire Hood Wills notes.
Ordered two Death Certs, to see Relationship/Present at Death:-
Richard Hood born about 1774, Death Registered Sculcoates (aged 64).
William Hood born about 1773, Death Registered Scarborough (aged 66).
Robert Cook of Luddington
Robert Cook aged 28 of Luddington, Yorkshire. Assizes in March 1836 stealing a Gelding worth £3 at Gainsborough.
Property Owner was Thomas Tasker of Selby, Yorkshire, a ship’s Carpenter
Transported for life in 1836 aboard the Lady Nugent, to Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land), Convict 407.
(Additional information found in the Lincolnshire Archives).
Interesting a Cook from Luddington? Luddington came under Yorkshire and Lincolnshire.
Regards Mark
Death Certificates
1838
Registration District SCULCOATES
1838 DEATH in the Sub-district of Sutton in the County of York
27th December 1838
11 1/2 [one word unclear?] Jennings St in the Parish of Sutton
RICHARD HOOD
Male
64 Years
Labourer
Spasm of the Stomach
Hannah Trowelles her X Mark present at Death Jennings Street in the Parish of Sutton
Registered 29th December 1838
Thomas Dibb Registrar
1839
Registration District SCARBOROUGH
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Scarborough in the County of York
15th May 1839 at Peak in the Township of Stainton dale
WILLIAM HOOD
Male
66 years
Labourer
Dropsy
Alley Hood In attendance Peak hill [could be Olley Hood, but an Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864 per FS, see also Census]
Registered 16th May 1839
Isaac Walsham Registrar
Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864. According to the new GRO Death Index was Female, District of Scarborough and aged 62 [born about 1802]
An Alley Hood was baptised 3 October 1773 Kingsley, Stafford, parents Thos Hood & Mary, per Family Search.
Regards Mark
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Hi
Aley Hood, looks to be unmarried and aged 43 in the 1851 census at Claughton as 'dau' to John and Jane Hood, a 40 year old son William too. This looks to be the 'Scalby' couple we have looked at.
A 17 year old grandson 'John Hood born Southshields is with the household also.
Claire
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Death Certificate
1839
Registration District SCARBOROUGH
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Scarborough in the County of York
15th May 1839 at Peak in the Township of Stainton dale
WILLIAM HOOD
Male
66 years
Labourer
Dropsy
Alley Hood In attendance Peak hill [could be Olley Hood, but an Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864 per FS, see also Census]
Registered 16th May 1839
Isaac Walsham Registrar
Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864. According to the new GRO Death Index was Female, District of Scarborough and aged 62 [born about 1802]
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Regards Mark
Hi
Aley Hood, looks to be unmarried and aged 43 in the 1851 census at Claughton as 'dau' to John and Jane Hood, a 40 year old son William too. This looks to be the 'Scalby' couple we have looked at.
A 17 year old grandson 'John Hood born Southshields is with the household also.
Claire
Hi All
Thanks Claire
Look at the image in full.
The Cloughton 1851 Census page I have for John Hood (born Stainton Dale) and Jane Hood (born Scalby ?Dabbs?) of Newland's [Farm] Cloughton, with Grandson John L. Hood Ag. Labourer, aged 17, born Durham South Shields.
Father of John Laidler Hood baptised St Hilda, Abode South Shields 30 June 1833. Its our old friend George Hood the Mariner?
Got to find our research on George Hood, Mariner, again.
But this connection Yabba dabba do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards Mark
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I guess you liked that connection :)
This is a new one for me: who is George Hood the mariner ?
Thanks :)
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The Scalby registers cover the parish of Claughton, where there is this baptism -
George son of John and Jane bpt. 19 Sept 1798 ( from Claughton)
there are other children.
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I guess you liked that connection :)
This is a new one for me: who is George Hood the mariner ?
Thanks :)
George Hood the mariner died South Shields (can't remember the death year off hand) left a Will leaving land he owned in Caughton near Scarborough
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I've lost it!
I know who is this Richard Hood is who died 1839 Sculcoates father of W Hood a cooper in the workhouse Hull in census.
Who is the William Hood death 1839 connected too or reason for chasing up his ancestry.
1839
Registration District SCARBOROUGH
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Scarborough in the County of York
15th May 1839 at Peak in the Township of Stainton dale
WILLIAM HOOD
Male
66 years
Labourer
Dropsy
Alley Hood In attendance Peak hill [could be Olley Hood, but an Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864 per FS, see also Census]
Registered 16th May 1839
Isaac Walsham Registrar
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William Hood bapt. 17 April 1774 - father John, from Claughton parish in the Scalby registers
So the John in the 1851 census is this Williams brother ?
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Probable marriage of parents:
Scalby: John Hood yeoman mar Jane Dickenson spinster 23 Nov 1762
Both signed with an X
Witnesses: Edward Dickinson and John Hodgson
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Death Certificate
1839
Registration District SCARBOROUGH
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Scarborough in the County of York
15th May 1839 at Peak in the Township of Stainton dale
WILLIAM HOOD
Male
66 years
Labourer
Dropsy
Alley Hood In attendance Peak hill [could be Olley Hood, but an Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864 per FS, see also Census]
Registered 16th May 1839
Isaac Walsham Registrar
Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864. According to the new GRO Death Index was Female, District of Scarborough and aged 62 [born about 1802]
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Regards Mark
Hi
Aley Hood, looks to be unmarried and aged 43 in the 1851 census at Claughton as 'dau' to John and Jane Hood, a 40 year old son William too. This looks to be the 'Scalby' couple we have looked at.
A 17 year old grandson 'John Hood born Southshields is with the household also.
Claire
Hi All
Thanks Claire
Look at the image in full.
The Cloughton 1851 Census page I have for John Hood (born Stainton Dale) and Jane Hood (born Scalby ?Dabbs?) of Newland's [Farm] Cloughton, with Grandson John L. Hood Ag. Labourer, aged 17, born Durham South Shields.
Father of John Laidler Hood baptised St Hilda, Abode South Shields 30 June 1833. Its our old friend George Hood the Mariner?
Got to find our research on George Hood, Mariner, again.
Regards Mark
George Hood Mariner Will, proved 1841
Link in Reply #6
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.msg6018911#msg6018911
EDITED
George Hood, Mariner was Father in the 30 June 1833 St Hilda Baptism to John Laidler Hood and George was married twice, first to Mary.
M.I. records for Scalby and there is a July 1833 burial of Mary Hood (nee Mary Leadley), Cloughton.
Inserted by the transcribers is ... PR 1833 Jul 26 Mary Hood, Shields, 28.
"The 8th inst. at Sunderland, Mr George Hood, Master Mariner, to Miss Jane Day, of South Shields." Newcastle Courant 11th August 1837.
Aalborg, August 31.- At Soegard and Aaborg (in the district of Ringkiobing), in the course of the months of June and July, 216 pieces of oak timber, ... have washed on shore, with the following marks, ... likewise a ship's boat with the name "Thornyclose, S. Shields," outside and "George Hood" inside of it." Newcastle Courant 18 September 1840
Edited
Regarding the great research on Richards Gibson by Rootschatters -
Got a strange feeling that John Hood, Mariner North Shields who married Elizabeth Gibson, are also possibly linked to these Hoods at Scarborough who have links with South Shields?
One Hood family at Scarborough are also linked to the Leadley.
A John Leadley Hood was the Grandson of John Hood of Nettleham as well. Some of this Hood family of Nettleham, Lincs & Yorkshire were born to female nee Hoods. So some of the sons of nee Hood mothers, took Hood from their Grandfathers John Hood of Nettleham & William Hood of Northallerton.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.0
The Gibson part has been put forward well to link Elizabeth Gibson to John Hood, but did we discover what happened to John Hood, the Mariner of North Shields (who married Elizabeth Gibson)?
Sure I've seen this John Hood signature before somewhere, witness in the George Hood, Mariner Will (proved 1841). Also notice how the stick in the letter d in Hood is circled through itself, similar to my George Hood. Seems a John Hood was dead when the Will was proved, per wording?
I'll check my signatures.
Regards Mark
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John and Jane Hood of Claughton in parish of Scalby had two sons John Hood, one bpt. 1797 (presuming died) and had another bapt. 13 December 1807 Claughton.
So presumably as per Will ~ executor 'my brother John Hood' ~ had died before the Will was proved
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Hi
Thanks Claire
Seems one John Hood was quite old (84 yrs in 1855).
Also Gibsons there:-
Francis Gibson died 1844;
Jane, Widow of William Gibson died 1844;
Late Edward Gibson (mentioned 1860).
Mark
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Claire.
There is a lot of reading on Scalby and Cloughton Hood's too update you
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg6023776#msg6023776
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.252
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5791249#msg5791249
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742805.msg5821448#msg5821448
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6020289#msg6020289
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Cheers dobfarm :) :)
Yes, this John lived to a grand age - is that his death registration in 1866 birthyear 1770?
This John was the father of George and Aley.
He was also the brother of the William born 1774.
Trouble is there is no HOOD baptism for him. I think it's possible that he maybe the John HIRD bapt. August 1771 father John.
Looking at the possibility that the minister was possibly hard of hearing, I found other records which may be interesting : An earlier burial of a Richard Hird in 1763 an infant in the Scalby registers and two baptisms: a Richard HIRD to a father Thomas in 1768 and possibly the same Richard HURD aged 24,that married in 1794 Scarborough to a Elizabeth Williford. His residence at marriage Stamford Bridge.
The other Richard HIRD baptised 8 Aug 1779 son of a John and Mary in the Cloughton registers. What is interesting is the marriage on 19 November 1769 of John and Mary Hird ( nee Pickering) in the Scalby register -minister writes Hird, John signs his name as HOAD.
There is no marriage of a Richard HIRD/HOAD in the general area but there is a Scalby marriage in 1810 of a Richard HOOD to a Mary Sedman.
Also a George HIRD baptism 23 Oct. 1785 to a George and
Jane Hird in Scalby. He married 1808 as George Hurd.
The parents: George (Hird in register) married Jane Harrison 1777 and signed as HORD.
....probably just clutching at straws but worth looking at variants in these registers :-\
Mark ~ thought this might interest you ~ lot of surnames been touched on before
http://pennyghael.org.uk/Richardson2.pdf
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Thank You
Mr Jno Turner & Chapel?
Mr John Turner was the Landlord of Mr Hood, until replaced in 1790 by Mr John Spencer who continued to rent the same house to "Jno Hood" in 1790.
Likely, the same Mr Jno Turner occupying the Chapel Lands Adjoining Cow Lane. Selby L/Tax in 1789, also mysteriously disappeared around 1789/1790, (the same time as Mr Hood's Landlord).
Further enquiries ongoing.
Thank you, Mark
EDIT: Jno Turner was simply occupying property / land owned by the Chapel. Another property at Selby in 1800 was owned by York Minster.
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Just noticed a John Turner was buried in the Churchyard at Selby 11 January 1792 and he was described as a Bailiff, Died of Decay of Nature aged 89.
If he was in decline, I suppose he may disappear in the records a couple of years earlier.
I will try and find out, who he was Bailiff for.
Regards Mark
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Yes, that was the only one I thought was worth a mention ~ there were five J Turner burials between 1792 -1811,
29 Dec 1796 ~ John son of William T buried
23 May 1802 ~ John Turner buried, innkeeper
06 Jul 1806 ~ J Turner aged 2 son of Charles
30 Dec 1811 ~ J Turner aged 69 Gentleman
There was a marriage of a John Turner Clerk aged 36 in 1807 to a Martha Maria Thompson
Looking at a book published 1800 called The History of Selby, ancient and modern.
Page 116: the places of Public Worship in the town besides the church
Presbyterian Chapel on Millgate, rebuilt c1690
Quakers Chapel on Goulthorpe, now Gowthorp, erected about the year 1784
The Methodist Meeting House on Millgate erected about the year 1785
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Thank you Claire
Edit: Jno Turner was simply occupying property / land owned by the Chapel. Another property at Selby in 1800 was owned by York Minster.
My 3 X Gt. Grandfather John Hood of Selby, in 1842 (found under Belby).
Mark
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Hello
Thanks for these other Turners.
Draft release from the trusts of the will of John Thompson, late of Selby, esquire
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/15a0158b-5bd6-4861-84b2-b533493190af
1) James Moate of Snaith, draper and grocer, Mary his wife, Rev Richard Tompson of Selby, clerk; Margaret Thompson of Selby, spinster; Edward Parker of Selby, gentleman 2) Martha Maria Turner of Selby, widow of Rev John Turner deceased and formerly widow of the said John Thompson, deceased; Charles Weddall of Selby, esquire; William Procter of Selby, merchant; William Todd of Humbleton, gentleman
1827
See also Durham University
http://reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ark/32150_s13n203z148.xml
COCKERTON
SDD-21. 4 February 1828
6 closes in one entire plot at the west end of the village: Boggyfield, Longfield, Roundhill, Little Roundhill, Saltpetre and Intack.
Tithes of corn, grain and hay on the above.
Declaration of Trusts in respect of monies arising from the sale of the above premises by Thomas Bowes of Darlington, gent., and Robert Moses Dinsdale on behalf of Martha Maria Turner of Selby, Yorks., widow of Revd. John Turner, formerly widow of John Thompson, and only surviving child of William Turner of Darlington, surgeon.
Parchment 1 m.
COCKERTON & KNOTTINGLEY
SDD-22. 10 February 1829
Copyhold lands in Cockerton.
The Rail Closes in Knottingly.
Award by Thomas Bowes of Darlington, gent., arbitrating in disputes between Martha Maria Turner, widow of the Revd. John Turner of Selby clerk, formerly widow of John Thompson of Selby Esq., Richard Thompson, James Moate and his wife Mary, and Margaret Thompson, claimants under the wills of the said John Thompson and his eldest son Thomas William Thompson.
Parchment 5mm.
Other Related Deeds, with relationships - Archive not known
Ref: D/HH 2/8/465
20 December 1827
(1) Martha Maria Turner of Selby, Yorks., widow; Charles Weddall of Selby, Esquire; William Procter of Selby, merchant; William Todd of Hambleton, Yorks., gentleman (the devisees and executors of John Thompson late of Selby, first husband of Martha Maria Turner)
(2) James Moate of Snaith, draper and grocer and Mary, his wife (daughter, devisee and a residuary legatee of John Thompson)
(3) Edward Parker of Selby, gentleman and John Samler of Snaith, woolstapler (trustees of a settlement of 3 - 4 May 1820)
(4) Margaret Thompson of Selby, spinster (the other daughter of John Thompson)
(5) Reverend Richard Thompson of Selby, Clerk (only surviving son of John Thompson)
(6) Robert Moses Dinsdale of Newsham, Esquire
(7) Edward Parker and Thomas Bowes, of Darlington, gentlemen
Copy appointment by Mary Moate and release by (1), (2), (3), (4), (5) to (6) of a fourth part of the Manor of Knottingley and of several parcels of land in the various fields at Knottingley in the parish of Pontefract, as specified (71a. Or. 21p.) to the use of (7) upon trust for sale. Recites previous deeds
(1 file)
Ref: D/HH 2/8/468
2 September 1828
(1) M.M. Turner, James Moate and Mary, his wife; and Margaret Thompson, late of Selby and now of Darlington
(2) Revd. Richard Thompson
(3) Edward Parker and Thomas Bowes
(4) James Moate and Mary, his wife
(5) Thomas Bowes
Copy draft release by (1) to (5) of 10a. 1r. 3p. of land (Far Rail Close and Near Rail Close) at Knottingley, Yorks., upon trust for Mary Moate, with power of appointment and upon trust for her issue as specified in default of such appointment. Recites previous deeds
Consideration: £920 by (4) to (3)
(1 file)
An 1839 Selby Rate Book also shows George Hood is renting premises from the Procters who were Quakers.
John Todd I think discussed before, re him being a Tanner in the 18th Century, if I remember correctly and my John Hood, also being a Tanner at Selby.
A John Turner too, who is Landlord, either owner, or responsible for letting a Selby property to a John Hood up to 1789.
Can't make my mind up if two religious John Turners, one a dissenter and one a Curate at Selby Church, who appears in Selby Church records from the early 19th Century.
Links with Knottingley too.
I'll check today, if these two Thompson Wills are on Ancestry.
Regards Mark
2nd EDIT: also the PROCTERS OF SELBY are apparently linked to the DICKINSONS.
Ann Dickinson was described in an 1875 Affirmation as the Niece of William Procter late of Selby, Merchant and that Herbert Camm Dickinson was her only Son.
That Herbert Camm Dickinson is the person referred to as "Herbert Dickinson" in the Will of Elizabeth Procter late of Selby.
One of the Petitioners in the PROCTER of Selby Chancery case is George Esthill Peacock and a Peacock estate is mentioned in the Jane Hood (nee Casson) of Selby and Brayton, Will, d.1894
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Quaker Registers RG 6/1253 from Anc.
1709 Marg't first daughter of Jno & Marg't Hood Mariner of Sunderland was born
[John Hood, mariner of Sunderland] in RG 6/1253, see image ...
Marked up as RG 6/1253 Newcastle [upon Tyne]: Sunderland here ... http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=%22RG+6%2F1253%22
Many children of Quakers became Quakers.
Although he might not be from a Mariner family, George Hood possible Grandchild, somewhere?
Regards Mark
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Afternoon All,
Another early Quaker record from F M P: A Thomas HOOD clothier of Glosborn in Kildwick married a Hannah Yewdall of Calverley 22 Feb 1715 at the monthly meeting of Brighouse, Bradford.
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John Turner can be found here : CofE database ~ lots of J Turners ~ look for the one with dates 1798-1818
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp
Curate of Selby 1808-1818
Curate of Brayton with Barlow 1798-1804
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Dickinson ~ Quakers
Herbert Camm Dickinson was born a Quaker 1820 to a Richard and Ann D, father looks like he was a Tanner.
QUAKER MARRIAGES
On 23 May 1816 Richard Dickinson of Highflatts in Danby, tanner, son of Elisha, tanner and Sarah his wife.. and ANN CAMM daughter of Herbert Camm of the city of York and Margaret his wife.
Witnesses: Joseph Woods ~clothier of Newhouse, John Rothwell ~ dyer of Manchester and Joseph Firth of Shepleylanehead ~ farmer.
Her father Herbert Camm married Margaret ESTHILL at Spalding, Wainfleet ~ date 17 Feb 1791
She was the widow of JONATHAN ESTHILL a mariner of Scarborough.
Relations present at the marriage: Thomas Proctor Jnr, Eliz. Proctor, William and John Massey and a family by the name of Theaker.
Johnathon Esthill, master mariner of son of Ingram Esthill ( yeoman Deceased of Stainton Dale) and Elizabeth married MARGARET PROCTOR daughter of THOMAS PROCTOR of SELBY flaxdresser and Mary ( nee THEAKER) his wife. ~ date 5 Jan 1781
A Wm PEACOCK witnesses, relations by surname present ~ Proctor, Esthill, Priestman, Belton, Cross, Fox, Dearman and Cross.
When Johnathon Esthills sisters Elizabeth and Martha married in 1777 Scarborough, one of the witnesses was a JOHN HOOD ( Elizabeth Esthill mar Edmund Bolton, Martha Esthill mar. Benjamin Peacock)
claire
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Dickinson ~ Quakers
Herbert Camm Dickinson was born a Quaker 1820 to a Richard and Ann D, father looks like he was a Tanner.
QUAKER MARRIAGES
On 23 May 1816 Richard Dickinson of Highflatts in Danby, tanner, son of Elisha, tanner and Sarah his wife.. and ANN CAMM daughter of Herbert Camm of the city of York and Margaret his wife.
Witnesses: Joseph Woods ~clothier of Newhouse, John Rothwell ~ dyer of Manchester and Joseph Firth of Shepleylanehead ~ farmer.
Her father Herbert Camm married Margaret ESTHILL at Spalding, Wainfleet ~ date 17 Feb 1791
She was the widow of JONATHAN ESTHILL a mariner of Scarborough.
Relations present at the marriage: Thomas Proctor Jnr, Eliz. Proctor, William and John Massey and a family by the name of Theaker.
Johnathon Esthill, master mariner of son of Ingram Esthill ( yeoman Deceased of Stainton Dale) and Elizabeth married MARGARET PROCTOR daughter of THOMAS PROCTOR of SELBY flaxdresser and Mary ( nee THEAKER) his wife. ~ date 5 Jan 1781
A Wm PEACOCK witnesses, relations by surname present ~ Proctor, Esthill, Priestman, Belton, Cross, Fox, Dearman and Cross.
When Johnathon Esthills sisters Elizabeth and Martha married in 1777 Scarborough, one of the witnesses was a JOHN HOOD ( Elizabeth Esthill mar Edmund Bolton, Martha Esthill mar. Benjamin Peacock)
claire
Hello All
Thank you Claire.
"When Johnathon Esthills sisters Elizabeth and Martha married in 1777 Scarborough, one of the witnesses was a JOHN HOOD ( Elizabeth Esthill mar Edmund Bolton, Martha Esthill mar. Benjamin Peacock)"
With a George Esthill Peacock mentioned (newspaper snippet relating to Procter Case in Chancery), Esthill and Peacock, I thought they have got to be linked to each other.
This is fantastic research! This might help me trace my Hood lineage, if the unknown ?? Peacock in the Will of Jane Hood's (nee Casson), is somehow linked on the Hood side.
Got a Priestman (I think) in my Hood Will notes.
Some Cooks and Pearsons were Quakers too.
Jonathan Hutchinson, the Arbitrator in George Hood's Will was linked by marriage to a Procter daughter. One Hutchinson originally came from Gedney.
The Hutchinson Museum have unsually mentioned without prompting, that Thomas Procter was the richest man in Selby. Also an Uncle Procter of , but had no information on my George Hood.
Although Maudland Turner (nee Hood) lived at Selby, I've been wondering if George Hood came to/stayed at Selby to keep an eye on the elderly John Hood, possibly a Great Uncle or other relative.
My Geo Hood seems to have links with many people and respected by them, but never mentioned by them, as though he was someone's illegitimate boy.
As well as two Dickinsons late Father and son, a Massey is mentioned in a George Hood property registration, anything on him please?
Regards Mark
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William Massey of Spalding, Lincs son of John Massey of the same place and Elizabeth his wife married Sarah PROCTOR daughter of Thomas PROCTOR of SELBY and Mary his wife. Date: 08 Jul 1785 at York
Relations by surname Priestman, Proctor, Belton, Tuke
John Massey, father of the above of Spalding yeoman married Elizabeth Newbold of Leeds, widow on 26 Oct. 1758
Relations : HIRD ( quite a few witnesses by this name too) , Westgarth, English, Horner
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William Massey of Spalding, Lincs son of John Massey of the same place and Elizabeth his wife married Sarah PROCTOR daughter of Thomas PROCTOR of SELBY and Mary his wife. Date: 08 Jul 1785 at York
Relations by surname Priestman, Proctor, Belton, Tuke
John Massey, father of the above of Spalding yeoman married Elizabeth Newbold of Leeds, widow on 26 Oct. 1758
Relations : HIRD ( quite a few witnesses by this name too) , Westgarth, English, Horner
Thank you, Massey interesting too.
No evidence or knowledge that we were originally called Hird and witness names make no sense either.
However, the Procters of Selby do show up in the HIRD COLLECTION of YARM collection at Teeside Archives ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/46014487-c0da-470c-890a-3c9291bb971a
Attested copy of lease and release from Thomas Fawell of Yarm esq, Jane Procter, Barbara Procter, Hannah Procter, and Elizabeth Procter, all of Selby, spinsters, to William Sayer of Middleton upon Leven of a messuage, on the east row of Yarm, divided into two dwellinghouses, a garden, or parcel of ground on the east and backside of the messuage, a yard and garden adjoining this, granaries, warehouse, other buildings in the yard and a quay, and assignment of four terms of 500 years, 500 years, 2000 years and 1000 years
12th and 13th May 1847.
U/HD/38
DDGU/1/51, 1846 - East Riding Archives
Copy Will of William Proctor of Selby, Esquire
Bequests: wife; nephew Jonathan Hutchinson and wife Elizabeth; sister Elizabeth Procter; etc Property: Selby, Great Ayton, Summercroft, parish Drax, Dacre cum Beverley, Brayton, Wistow, Riccall, Hillam, Haddlesey, Burn, Osgodby, Gunby, Bubwith, etc with codicils (1849-1854)
Procter Wills not seen, but according to Summary (above) Procter must have had numerous and many contacts all over the place, so chasing Hird, may not be too productive, I don't know.
If George Hood was illegitimate, his birth might be tucked away amongst Meeting records in Archives, rather than in the Quaker TNA RG 6 Registers online, on Anc., provided his father or a mother was a Quaker.
Think ?? Peacock, is the surname to chase, especially if the estate came via the Hood side to William and Jane Hood of Selby? (Probably, no good if via a Cassons link), but Jane Hood's Will does not explain.
Don't know how Cook and Pearson fit in either, both surnames are known to have Quakers in their families.
Some Cooks at Selby under the York Monthly Meeting were definitely Quakers.
We went to Spalding Tulip fields when I was a boy of about 8 or 9, sure Grandma Hood was with us (in my father's slides, not shown for a long time), got some feeling in the distant part of my mind, that on one trip (possibly this one), Grandma Hood went off to look inside a church, but my father did not want to bother. I'll ask him about it.
Could of been one of my Grandfather's RAF colleagues killed in an air crash, or anything.
Regards Mark
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Quakers Balby Monthly Meeting
1787 Marriage of
James Backhouse of Darlington and Mary Dearman of Thorne
Relations
PROCTERS AND
ELIZA HORD
Thank you all, for your help to date.
An Eliza Hord - Proctor link, or via the newly weds?
Regards Mark
Can't find no Pearson link yet, despite Quakers with that surname.
For Mordecai Hord Casson ...
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Mordecai+Hord+Casson%22
But a COCKIN and HORD alias HOOD link too ... See also dobfarm's Reply #1 of thread Descendants of the Late Jane Casson Hood ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.1
Reference to Hord / Hood and a John Cockin the Apprentice.
According to a claim in a book recently published about Quakers, the author makes the claim that it was not unusual for the families to be linked again later.
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That's a good find. Found a George Peacock Will on Anc* last night. He was from the Barnard Castle area, leaving bequests to a AWDE family.
HORD - AWDE
Bit late for your George, off the top of my head I think it was dated 1855 but maybe worth a look
EDIT: dobfarm did we ever find out what happened to the 1783 Quaker baptism of 'George HEAD' father Joseph, mother Hannah. The witness was a Mary HOOD?
Claire
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Only the George Head baptism is on an image on one of Mark's numerous threads somewhere on this website.
A picture is forming though ! ~ how these Quakers moved around the country like a ' Queen on a chessboard ' and would fit, why some of George's sibling children, got married away far from the Selby area. There seems a same/similar pattern of one of the wedding couple migration in a marriage union in some direct & indirect marriages (marriage union mentioned relating in other matters, in Quaker records/Wills/newspaper articles or the like) of Quakers thats come up recently in last few pages of this thread. (an interesting concept train of thought)
CoE or Nonconformist ministers marriages or Quaker weddings
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I like your train of thought dobfarm, it's certainly interesting the Hood children followed the same trend.
Quaker marriages:
On the 3rd December 1795 Henry CASSON of Myton Township in the town of Kingston upon Hull, miller, son of Mordecai Casson of Thorne, currier and leather cutter and Sarah his wife deceased,.... and Elizabeth HORD daughter of Jeremiah HORD mariner of Kingston upon Hull and Elizabeth his wife.
Witnessed by
John Belton
Mord. Casson
Edward West
At Owstwick 11Feb 1767
Jeremiah HORD son of John and Hannah, both deceased, married Elizabeth THORP daughter of Wm Thorp deceased late of Berwick and Elizabeth his wife.
Witnesses by surname : Smith , Foster, Stickney, Saunderson, Anderson, Wade, Jackson, Pinder, Mair, Hagit and a Peter HORD
Can't as yet see a link with Dearman or Backhouse.
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It does say Eliza' Hord and not Elija' I presume. But Hord is a relative and so are the Proctors at the 1785 James Backhouse = Mary Dearman Wedding, above.
I'm wondering if a Cockin has got Elizabeth Hord pregnant and she has subsequently married Henry Casson in 1795. Elizabeth Hord looks a nice writer too. Also James Cookin / Cockin on George Hood's 1815 Marriage entry, Dickinson possibly related too.
dobfarm that 1796 Apprenticeship is most interesting of John Cockin, with Casson the Master.
J. Newby was an Editor of the Society of Friends - The Annual Monitor.
A few Hirsts are Quakers. A Samuel Hirst of Kellington acquainted with a George Hood in the early 1830s. A Hirst also at Charles Hood's residence (born Selby) in a Census.
Quite a few Dickinsons and Clarks are Quakers and also those surnames appear in George Hood's property transactions.
George Hood of Selby appointed Jonathan Hutchinson as Arbitrator and Umpire in his Will and Goughy said last year that Hutchinson was a Quaker, but these things take time to build up a little evidence.
In June 1792 Jonathan Hutchinson of Gedney in the County of Lincoln Grazier married Rachel Procter daughter of Thomas Procter of Selby in the County of York Flaxdresser and Mary his Wife.
Thomas Backhouse Registrar to the York Quarterley Meeting.
A William Hord Bankrupt at York 1803, looks like he is about to be discharged from Bankruptcy, but no file it seems. Perhaps George Hood was related and that is why George was ultra cautious over his Will, appointing an Arbitrator and Umpire and signing the bottom of each page of his Will.
Got back to a John Hord burial of 1719, if Eliza Hord is relevant. Looks like I shall have to go and see the Quaker records, or find George Hood's grave in a Quaker Cemetery anyway, to see if any reference to George Hood being illegitimate, or a link.
Plenty of Peacocks were Quakers and "my Uncle Peacocks estate" was mentioned in Jane Hood's Will proved Wakefield 19th June 1894 by Edwin Hood and Marion Scaum two of Jane Hood's children.
Jane Hood, nee Casson was born Yorkshire, Thorne, about 1818 (aged 43 in the 1861 Selby Census).
William Hood (Jane's husband) was baptised Selby 1816 (Son of the unknown George Hood).
Who was Uncle Peacock please?
Plenty of Pearson / Peirson Quakers.
Regards Mark
PS: Always thought this was interesting, be most interested to see more about these papers?
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/casson/285/
... As for Edwin's forebears, by chance, I was in contact some years ago with an American Casson descendant (still called Casson, but not a descendant of Edwin's), who had been given an archive of materials put together by one Jane Casson Hood in 1888 in England. Those records tend to confirm my research that Edwin's father was Benjamin Casson, who was the third child of Mordecai Casson and Sarah (nee Curtis).
As for the coat of arms, I am none the wiser. Our family story has it that Edwin had a carriage with a coat of arms on the door, being a castle with a bird flying from it. The associated motto was "I follow flying".I have also researched coats of arms and see the similarity to/derivation from? that of the Cassons of Ffestiniog. My great great grandmother kept a cravat (said to be Edwin's) that had the Casson crest on it. It was deliberately burned - along with diaries - by a relative who was not fond of family history! I still don't know whether Edwin had some entitlement to use the crest, or what the connection might be to those Casson families.
I'm sorry to have missed the "Casson family silver" on the web. We have nothing of that sort, but feel lucky to have a decanter said to have been Edwin's and a small portrait of him.
Am interested to hear about the Lyster connection ... .
... town of Thorne (where many Cassons lived).
Note: The Crest is a castellated "Tower" according to a description. Pity the writer does not qualify which Edwin, as William Hood of Selby bapt.1816; d.1870 (son of George Hood of Selby) had a son called Edwin Hood (alias Edwin Casson Hood).
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-RF99-PK?mode=g&i=275&cc=1823613
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Jane Casson born 13 May 1817 ~ daughter of CURTIS CASSON and MARY PEACOCK (1788-1872)
Mary Peacock born 7 Jan 1788 ~ daughter of John PEACOCK of Wassand and Jane. This couple married in an Anglican Church at Scarborough 5 Dec. 1786.
" John Peacock aged 30 of Wassand in the parish of Sigglesthorne, Jane Pennock aged 23 of this Parish, by licence, Witnessed by John and Mary Pennock and John Huntriss."
Mary was the first child, then JANE b 1789, JOHN b1790, Elizabeth b1792 and JENNY b1794.
So this couple had what looks like one son JOHN PEACOCK 1790. ~ Uncle Peacock mentioned in Will perhaps ?
Jane PEACOCK of Wassand died 1794, John PEACOCK died 1812. Both Quaker burials. No further Quaker marriage.
Trying to find the son John
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Jane Casson born 13 May 1817 ~ daughter of CURTIS CASSON and MARY PEACOCK (1788-1872)
Mary Peacock born 7 Jan 1788 ~ daughter of John PEACOCK of Wassand and Jane. This couple married in an Anglican Church at Scarborough 5 Dec. 1786.
" John Peacock aged 30 of Wassand in the parish of Sigglesthorne, Jane Pennock aged 23 of this Parish, by licence, Witnessed by John and Mary Pennock and John Huntriss."
Mary was the first child, then JANE b 1789, JOHN b1790, Elizabeth b1792 and JENNY b1794.
So this couple had what looks like one son JOHN PEACOCK 1790. ~ Uncle Peacock mentioned in Will perhaps ?
Jane PEACOCK of Wassand died 1794, John PEACOCK died 1812. Both Quaker burials. No further Quaker marriage.
Trying to find the son John
Thanks Claire and dobfarm
So the Uncle Peacock is definitely on the Casson side, that answers my question, I think.
Nothing helps with Ol'George Hood!
Interesting you found a William Son of William Hood and a late Maria Proctor Sp'r at Hedenham in 1800.
The Thorne Quaker wedding James Backhouse = Mary Dearman was in the Sixth Month of 1787 with the Relations listed.
The marriage or start of the relationship of your couple needs have occurred before that 1787 date.
Regards Mark
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Isn't there a Norfolk 'Hood' family that end up in Selby or in the area ?
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You're welcome to try the Seal against the name of George Hood of Selby in his Will?
Looks like the letters say Coo[?] (Turn 90 degs).
Other Cook page above.
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I'll try and have a fiddle with it
Here's one I did earlier...
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It does look like 'Cook' doesn't it, that's just looking at it with my head cocked to one side ;D
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Hi
Think I can see a pattern and smaller letters (looks like H.S.) above Coo.
All his property registrations describe the letters as "L.S." - "L.S. George Hood"
L.S. means locus sigilli (place of the Seal) and what looks like Coo has been placed adjacent, so the full "Coo" (COOK, whatever it is) was likely George Hood's official Seal in Contract Law.
Emailed Special Collections who hold the Will, regarding having a higher resolution photograph taken of the Seal.
One of his Grandchildren was Elizabeth Cook Hood.
He must have been frail looking at the change in his handwriting.
Regards Mark
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Looks like - G?orG?
George
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That's a good spot, dobfarm. I'm trying to alter the pic on my photosuite, it's very interesting though.
It definitely says ?ook - or would make more sense 'HOOD'.
Definitely a shape to it too - you can see the top is this sort of outline /\_/\_/\ - and a pattern or something in the middle. All very interesting. Let's hope they can give you a higher resolution of it.
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Don't know if this helps. Obviously a higher quality image as a starting point would be much better and limit on here is only 500k. Mark, try emailing me (via personal email) another image with a higher resolution .
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Trying all sorts to get a clearer picture, altered the colour to try and make detail stand out
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The what looks like a G or 6 but if you draw a straight line above & below the 'OO' you get 'OOD'
----oo6----
------centre line----- ----oo6----
On the first G or C close in look shows a definite straight vertical line within the two horizontal parameters of the OO = ------ I ? OOD ----- centre line---
?OOD
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Hello All
Thank you.
There was a Cood family and their divorce ended up in Court.
Got a strange vague feeling (from my old Deeds) that H.S. might be a 19th Century Legal Stationers and this might be a reference to order the correct replacement tool.
However, it could be L. S. (which is corrupted by an imperfection), such as the tool being dropped onto a pointed item or accidentally rattling against others or drawing tools when travelling by coach or cart.
Looks like Coo followed by a character symbol.
Looks more like a Horseshoe, when I tilt the screen back and forth. I'll change it to a negative after dinner.
Been to the Library and Boutells Heraldry book indicates horseshoes were used in Heraldry, although "the toes upwards unless blazoned as reversed. They are sometimes termed ferrs."
descrption of ferrs ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OzGF29hFLmMC&pg=PA201&lpg=PA201&dq=Heraldry+%22ferrs%22&source=bl&ots=DPq1oyjBkB&sig=GqE1eq42H_2a-oXFlsn4rJNmAuc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwitqbWou6HSAhVnIsAKHXjiCdMQ6AEIJzAF
Official and Corporate Heraldry, could denote:-
Ecclesiastical Heraldry,
Universities and Colleges,
Public Schools,
the College of Arms and Lyon Office,
Public Institutions,
Civic Heraldry;
Merchant Companies;
Guilds.
Before you ask, I have had a reply some time ago from the Worshipful Company of Coopers, who said they only had London Coopers listed.
Seem to vaguely recall picking several of these embossing tools out of my Grandmothers drawer when I was about 6 to 8 years old and asked about a number on one and I vaguely seem to think, she said it was to order a replacement one, to ensure it was correct design.
I don't really know yet what this is and the above research is very brief and general.
Kind regards Mark
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Currently I see a 'love heart' (L.O.L.).
Turn it 90 degrees left and there is probably a head and bust of a person?
The problem is, that the raised area detail has flattened to some extent, before the wax went hard.
I emailed early am and remain very hopeful of getting a higher resolution photo of this Seal.
Mark
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Been looking for anything on 'Wax Document Seals'
Noticed a reference to horseshoe or pincers.
Or the first three letters of Cook, with a symbol of a horseshoe.
The fourth character looks to be symbolic, possibly representing pincers.
The Arms of Hood and a Crest apparently, are represented on the last three images.
Regards Mark
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Did he leave a seal on any of his other documents ? ~ obviously if there are earlier documents ~ the seals may, if they have survived, look better because they would be 'newer' to George himself.
If you know what I mean ::)
EDIT: I could sort of see the 'love heart' too. I don't think it is either of the top two seals, let's hope you can get a better pic of it.
Going back to the love heart ~ I almost thought I could see an arrow through it ~ which may lean towards it being the bird with the arrow or whatever it is :P
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Been thinking that somewhere there must be old Company Registers for people to register a Seal.
Regards Mark
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Official and Corporate Heraldry, could denote:-
Ecclesiastical Heraldry,
Universities and Colleges,
Public Schools,
the College of Arms and Lyon Office,
Public Institutions,
Civic Heraldry;
Merchant Companies;
Guilds.
Hi
Very crudely there are two types of Seal:-
1. A Seal that is associated with Arms and registered in the College of Arms, or equivalent outside England.
2. A Seal that is not linked to any Arms.
As far as we know, don't have any authority to display the 'Arms of Hood' or the Crest of Hood registered with the College of Arms. My Father previously told me, that Arms are quite often granted to the individual that made the act of Service in favour of the King or Queen, or related to Royal personage.
We have no knowledge of an Ancestor having 'Letters Patent' issued.
This Seal of George Hood is interesting.
Hood & Horde
Members of these families had NON Arms Seals listed and I shall arrange to see the two Seals when next in London.
Documents of Selby
Our next action is to rule in or out Richard Gibson of Selby / Newcastle, so we'll arrange to look at those Petre documents.
Regards Mark
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Non Arms Seals, but one described unlikely to be ours?
John Hood
Date 22 Ric. II
Colour Red
Shape Round
Size 7/8
A cross in a lozenge shaped-panel surrounded by four semi-circular panels containing a rabbit, a human head and two darts.
John Horde
not described and no description, in the Exchequer series.
Regards Mark
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Possible Exciting News
I've just received information confirming a "Coo" family Seal, Colour Red, Shape Round, Size 5/8? On a document dated 18 Hen. VIII.
Its been defaced, but I intend to see it asap!
Regards Mark
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Very interesting
Coo - derived from 'Ka' an early name for a Jackdaw - a member of the crow family.
Some Hood family crests bear a Cornish Chough - a member of the crow family
Me - just trying to figure out what happened to Thomas and Elizabeth - children of Richard Gibson
EDIT: THOMAS GIBSON buried aged 2 weeks on 27 Aug. 1793, Selby Abbey.
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Very interesting
Coo - derived from 'Ka' an early name for a Jackdaw - a member of the crow family.
Some Hood family crests bear a Cornish Chough - a member of the crow family
Me - just trying to figure out what happened to Thomas and Elizabeth - children of Richard Gibson
Thanks. A mention of an Anchor, so Coo seems to have a nautical theme.
The symbol, perhaps dividers, used in navigating.
Sorry, in my excitement, forgot to post images.
Regards Mark
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I find it remarkable that the 3rd Viscount of Bridport (Hood) bears a family crest that is so similar, plus a couple of others
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestfinder-search/Hood-family-crest
EDIT: there is one entry for COO on the site too
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I find it remarkable that the 3rd Viscount of Bridport (Hood) bears a family crest that is so similar, plus a couple of others
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestfinder-search/Hood-family-crest
EDIT: there is one entry for COO on the site too
Thanks
I've added an image for Coe too, dexter claw mentioned.
Regards Mark
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Yes I can recall as a boy of about 5 or 6 my Grandma Hood debating whether a bird was a Crow or Jackdaw, the conversation then touched on the Fleur de Lis symbol.
She was discussing family, with my Grandfather Mum's side who was there.
Regards Mark
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Quote Posted by dobfarm
Not a Yorkshire Birth.
But do we know what happened to
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"George Hood bapt - 25 December 1788 Mother Hope Hood - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England (Near Bridport West bay harbour)
Hope Hood Bapt - 25 Feb 1765 Father John Hood mother Elizabeth - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England " End of quote.
Regards Mark
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Posted by dobfarm
Not a Yorkshire Birth.
But do we know what happened to
"George Hood bapt - 25 December 1788 Mother Hope Hood - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England (Near Bridport West bay harbour)
Hope Hood Bapt - 25 Feb 1765 Father John Hood mother Elizabeth - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England"
Regards Mark
Don't know about George but a Bastardy Record indicates his father was George Paine. Hope looks as though she went on to marry a John Baker in 1792
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Posted by dobfarm
Not a Yorkshire Birth.
But do we know what happened to
"George Hood bapt - 25 December 1788 Mother Hope Hood - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England (Near Bridport West bay harbour)
Hope Hood Bapt - 25 Feb 1765 Father John Hood mother Elizabeth - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England"
Regards Mark
Don't know about George but a Bastardy Record indicates his father was George Paine. Hope looks as though she went on to marry a John Baker in 1792
Thank you Goughy.
The imprint in the wax has got the neck and head resembling that of a swan, resting on something straight.
See Reply #188.
Mark
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My Father said that a Professional person turning a bankrupt business around are usually educated to a Chartered Accountant standard.
The bird is holding a set of dividers between its feet.
Dividers denote accurate measurement, according to the Institute of Chartered Accountants (ICAEW) Coat of Arms, described in 1982.
Dividers also relate to Navigation.
This looks to be the Coo family Crest with a crouching Crane, possibly adapted to George Hood's specialism?
Interesting that Eliza Hord was a relative at the James Backhouse to Mary Dearman wedding at Thorne and he was a Banker.
Regards Mark
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Posted by dobfarm
Not a Yorkshire Birth.
But do we know what happened to
"George Hood bapt - 25 December 1788 Mother Hope Hood - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England (Near Bridport West bay harbour)
Hope Hood Bapt - 25 Feb 1765 Father John Hood mother Elizabeth - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England"
Regards Mark
Don't know about George but a Bastardy Record indicates his father was George Paine. Hope looks as though she went on to marry a John Baker in 1792
Thank you Goughy.
The imprint in the wax has got the neck and head resembling that of a swan, resting on something straight.
I've drawn well outside, but the outline is clearly visible.
Mark
Looks like a lion.
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Cannot find anything concrete on the children of Hope Hood
Hope married Mr Baker, and she alone baptises a daughter in 1796 called Sarah Baker
1810 a Hope HOOD baptises a daughter Elizabeth Hood, bastardy order names the father as John Bridle
1841 census Hope Baker bn 1760 living in Chard Somerset, dies and is buried 7th July 1841
stumped :(
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Warwickshire Hood's
I've enhanced and found a face.
Note the head the enhance seal and compare with the crest head in the link
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=152979&name=Hood
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It looks like a skull :o Eeeek !!!
That's so freaky, it does look like it though
BUT: I definitely think there is an animal I can see it's legs
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. Typical Lion flag
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My Grandmother Hood had a family crest, but the mistake she made was looking up the Hood description and my Grandfather (Mother's side) said words to the effect ... that is not the bird in the Hood description, that is not a Hood crest.
EDIT: I feel I need to get this properly identified as the bird is stood on something and grasping the other side with a claw.
The mystery for me now, is how did Hood acquire it.
Regards Mark
Edit: You are making the same mistake my Grandmother made 50 years ago, looking at the Hood description.
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WOW !!!
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Hello All
Fairbairn's Crests is the only one I can find, fortunately it is searchable & Control F searchable in PDF.
Volume 1 with Descriptions and part of the Plates Index
https://ia601407.us.archive.org/34/items/fairbairnsbookof01fair/fairbairnsbookof01fair.pdf
Volume 2 with other part of Plates Index and Plates of the Crests
https://archive.org/stream/FairbairnsBookOfCrestsV2#page/n29/mode/2up/search/Coe
In the Index the first number denotes the Plate and second number relates to the Crest.
There seems to be some suggestion on websites of the Official Arms Offices that they hold further separate Index Books, whether James Fairbairn included these I don't know.
Gibson
Thought this was interesting that some Gibsons have a 'rising stork' in their crest. But the only one with anything between the feet, seemed to be two acorns (not viewed any yet).
Gibson a Stork rising, some descriptions in Vol.1 with the Latin word Cœlestes, in their Latin motto. Fortunately I have a large Latin reference dictionary, so will look the word up.
Coe / Coo
Vol. 1 Crest Descriptions and Partial Index
Plate 166, 14
Vol. 2 for Index and Plates (Vol. 1 for Crest Descriptions and part of Index)
Plate 111, 5
Plate 68, 1
Plate 61, 10 (incl Coo) featuring the Anchor (attached)
Plate 42, 5
Regarding the Coo crest, there is a similar looking bird at Plate 111, 9.
Cook (Coo an Abbreviation perhaps?)
I shall go through plate by plate later and see if I can find anything, or even a Crest with a similar instrument between the feet and see what the description calls it.
Regards Mark
See Reply #188.
P.21, of this thread for a new outline drawing.
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Had a bit of a play. I've highlighted/circled a couple of things - the letter R and what looks like a number 1115 (or does it say His) To me the lettering still looks like "George". I can't see "Coo" However, just a thought, I assume the seal was George's business seal and he was a COOPER. Just a thought
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Hello All
Thanks Goughy.
Because of things spoken about by my Grandmother Hood when I was a boy of about 5 or 6 years of age which I thought were just wild stories (you perhaps know how some people like to romance), I have asked the Lyon Court of Scotland and the College of Arms London to see if they can identify the Seal.
This thought has crossed my mind about a Company Seal. In George Hood's Will he confirms it is his Seal.
Regards Mark
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I've done a fair bit of research into the personal seals people had stamped on their Wills in regard to the family I'm currently researching from Yorkshire. All are different and I've read that most are 'personal' to the holder themselves.
I've checked out some Hood seals from Anc* Yorks Probate records and all are different, but very fascinating.
I did find an early medieval crest of a bird which I thought was pretty similar to yours, it was from a Leigham family. But it's the only one I could find that looked anything like.
Claire
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I've done a fair bit of research into the personal seals people had stamped on their Wills in regard to the family I'm currently researching from Yorkshire. All are different and I've read that most are 'personal' to the holder themselves.
Thanks Claire
If a Seal was never registered, or formally recorded with Arms, or the same Seal has not been found in another document, it will not be traceable.
I've wondered if Craftsmans books who made embossing tools survive, like Assay books, but assume many Seal tools would be locally made.
You are quite right, many are Personal Non Armorial Seals, I'm not holding out too much hope.
Regards Mark
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At least it is a different avenue for people to look at, and hope it is something family related in some way.
Being a business man, Cooper and Brewer etc. I would have thought possibly a 'tool of his trade' perhaps on his seal, this ( animal/bird) seems something you would see on a family crest.
Let's hope...
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I've had a couple of replies about the painting of Burns in the Will (mentioned previously), one was titled as the Missing Painting of Burns.
This word missing was dropped in their second email and currently the University cannot offer any information about it.
One Burns painting has been at an Auction House in the last few years.
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/long-lost-robert-burns-portrait-on-market-for-2m-1-3009744
This one was claimed to have been owned by Sir James Shaw, the Lord Mayor of London from 1805, according to the newspaper.
Regards Mark
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"Seals were used by members of an armigerous family to seal documents such as charters. The seal would contain the coat of arms and the owners name and are useful for medieval identification of a person.
Arms are inherited through the male line and the heir or heirs to the arms must prove direct decent from the armiger. In Scotland, all arms must be matriculated (registered) with the Court of the Lord Lyon and differentiated from those of the original armiger, except where they pass to the eldest heir. The head of the family is entitled to wear the arms undifferenced but sons known as cadets must difference his arms to show his position in his generation. The eldest son charges his arms with a temporary mark of cadency known as a label of three points. Other sons charge their arms through the use of bordures. This ensures that no two living men share the same arms." [sic]
It seems that if it is not passed to the eldest male heir, the Arms are altered.
I have no idea what type of Seal this is, it does contain the name of Coo, but on the other hand it does not look like a usual full Coat of Arms, hopefully I shall receive both replies in due course no doubt.
Regards Mark
I have just looked at the 200 year old, Dickinson - Cockin Deed for Staddlethorpe and Clementhorpe. Barnard Dickinson; Joseph Dickinson; George Cockin and John Peirson have all used the same unnamed Seal.
I don't know yet, if I'm onto something, or nothing, about George Hood's origin.
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Had a bit of a play. I've highlighted/circled a couple of things - the letter R and what looks like a number 1115 (or does it say His) To me the lettering still looks like "George". I can't see "Coo" However, just a thought, I assume the seal was George's business seal and he was a COOPER. Just a thought
Thanks Goughy
Those digits are really the tops of the birds legs above the leg joint.
It is Coo, that piece detached in the letter C, is not in correct alignment to form a G.
Regards Mark
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I'm not well up on law or the legalities of using a seal in a deed - but could the seal they used be representative of the document they were all signing, a legal seal of some sort ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(contract_law)
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take a look at the swan on the Selby Coat of Arms (crest), Swans are associated with Selby from when Benedict founded the abbey. My old school badge had three swans on and there are swan sculptures in and about the town and in the coat of arms of Selby Council. Even the local WI is called Selby Swans!
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About 6 years ago I was reading some letters sent to the overseer of Atherton in Lancashire at Leigh town Hall archives, and these letters were mostly from people living outside the parish claiming poor relief funding. Every letter was one page folded into a unstuck envelope and sealed with a red wax seal. Therefore some seals used on red wax were as common as muck.
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I have just looked at the 200 year old, Dickinson - Cockin Deed for Staddlethorpe and Clementhorpe. Barnard Dickinson; Joseph Dickinson; George Cockin and John Peirson have all used the same unnamed Seal.
Regarding the same Seal on a Conveyance.
In my old Legal book on Common Law, which mentions Contract Law (Seals), there is some flowery Legal language, but I'm not a Legal Practitioner.
They say in Law, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous!
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I'll just have to wait regarding an official determination on the Seal used by G. H.
There is nearly always something left behind somewhere in all these mysteries, most of the time it is finding out what it might be and where it is held.
Regards Mark
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Thanks
Selby Town Council.
http://selbytowncouncil.gov.uk/
Well I have described/depicted the bird with a swanlike neck.
Regards Mark
I'd better see if there is a Local Register in Record Offices too!
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Link you gave was Selby Town Council. This is the Selby Coat of Arms crest and the swan on here is usually how the swans are depicted.
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I see in reference works that Abbots and Monks listed with the Seal of Selby have also been granted their position by Royal Assent.
This is still, all very interesting!!!
Hopefully a Register survives and one of the applicable Registers will 'spill the beans' on this elusive George Hood of mine!!!
Thanks Mark
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Hi
I wonder if any Wills proved in the Selby Court of Selby Business people on F** have any visible Seals with the Swan on them, what the lettering says (if any) and any symbols, please?
I did look at some in the Library a few months back, but never looked at the Seals.
Don't worry now, have a restful night, take care, goodnight.
Thanks, Mark
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Hi
Have sent some examples on to you. There are lots of Wills on there. I've tried to pick the ones you may make out ~ a couple with what look like birds, a deer, a head, allsorts. The only one that seems to re occur quite frequently looks like a criss-cross sort of design ( one of those included ). I haven't come across one with lettering either, well not that I can see.
From a manufacturers Will to a labourers Will ~ they are different.
claire
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Hi Claire
Thanks.
The Eccles Seal is the same as the four seals on the Staddlethorpe and Clementhorpe Deed.
I can see two birds in that Seal of Leake. Different birds to Hood's.
Regards Mark
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If George Hood was formerly a member of, or related to the Coo family and the same Coo as the one found.
EDITED
It seems Coo's Rights to use the Common Land, might have been lost by a Private Bill to Parliament.
Its not printed (probably handwritten, before I had to apply for p/copy).
Educated young man, looking for a new start, with enough money to buy Gibson's business, perhaps.
There is this delay of just over 2 months between George Hood's 16 May 1815 Marriage Allegation and Bond and his 18 July 1815 Wedding, as though the wedding was on hold. Most got married quite soon after.
Regards Mark
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If George Hood was formerly a member of, or related to the Coo family and the same Coo as the one found.
EDITED
It seems Coo's Rights to use the Common Land, might have been lost by a Private Bill to Parliament.
Its not printed (probably handwritten, before I had to apply for p/copy).
Educated young man, looking for a new start, with enough money to buy Gibson's business, perhaps.
There is this delay of just over 2 months between George Hood's 16 May 1815 Marriage Allegation and Bond and his 18 July 1815 Wedding, as though the wedding was on hold. Most got married quite soon after.
Regards Mark
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Educated young man, looking for a new start, with enough money to buy Gibson's business, perhaps.
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Why was there no baptisms of any siblings, say in 7 years before and after George Good 1786 Gateshead of father John Hood, it could be said father John died just after 1786 (including 9 month from conception time of George 1785) but John Hood's death would not explain no baptisms before 1786. WHY. (reason John Hood innkeeper moving about inns/pubs in different parts of country or John Hood the mariner & wife living in different ports over the years or both John's are one man with duel occupations that's not uncommon today with trawler men)
We have an idea John Hood buried 1819 Selby was more or less of low wealth being by the absence of finance records of wealth on him in Selby unless there are some Hood documents of John in earlier life in Scarborough on this later life John Hood of Selby born 1737/8 by estimated from death age 1819
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Apologies if this has been looked into but what about Alehouse Licences for John Hood ? Some areas have them online, shame the Gateshead/Newcastle area isn't included
claire
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Claire,
Can you find a burial of a Mrs Hood around Gateshead area 1786 to 1789 or a John Hood
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None in Gateshead, Newcastle, South/North Shields, except a baby Isabella in Newcastle All Saints ( think her father was a John Hood from memory)
Quite a lot in Hartlepool, but seem a few Hood families there too
claire
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Thanks
Land tax records for John Hood in Selby 1803 (Year Mrs Jane Hood died) and 1818 as abode year before John Hood died 1819 Selby
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Mr Jane Hood nee ???? ~ Scenario a widow married surname ???? with a son (or grandson) George born 1785/7 at marriage to John Hood or Single woman Jane ???? with an illegitimate son George born 1785/7 married John Hood
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Can only see three marriages on one site
John HOOD to Jane SHARP 25 Dec 1793 St Peters Derby
John HOOD to Jane CORBETT 27 March 1797 Colchester.
And the John and Jane in Scalby which we touched upon the other week.
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Can only see three marriages on one site
John HOOD to Jane SHARP 25 Dec 1793 St Peters Derby
John HOOD to Jane CORBETT 27 March 1797 Colchester.
And the John and Jane in Scalby which we touched upon the other week.
Maybe Mrs Jane Hood was a Quaker of a Quaker marriage to John Hood
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Its this Coo Seal, whether Armorial or Not.
George Hood is confirming it is his Seal, in the wording adjacent to it.
You can see by the way his Will is written, George is covering himself, even the wording that each of his witnesses being present and that all have witnessed his signature together, appointing an Arbitrator and signing each page etc., to ensure his children now all benefit in death.
He wouldn't then go and use an unofficial Seal would he? He would use his Family Seal.
Been looking at Coo, one PCC Will was Christopher Coo 1741 leaving his Daughter Elizabeth a sum of money and his Son Christopher Coo his Estates.
Looking for and finding other Coos too.
Search engine "Chistopher Coo" "History Online" results ...
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Chistopher+Coo%22+%22History+Online%22&*
What does this Scottish reference, say please?
En 1515, par exemple, des Ecossais sont capturés dans le Firth of Forth par le capitaine anglais Christopher Coo parce qu’ils saluent le bateau, qu’ils croient français, et se font repér (ARTHURSON, 1991 : 137).
Just a few thoughts.
Hitting brick walls everywhere >:( we are also bizarrely missing in a Requisitions Register.
Regards Mark
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From my limited French it looks like the Scots/ish (Ecossais) were captured by the English captain Christopher Coo in the Firth of Forth
The rest not sure: parce qu'ils = because they (saluent ?) salute the boat they thought was French, and were spotted ..... :-\
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Dobfarm ~ I went through the Selby Quaker meeting book which ended at 1786 ( as luck would have it) just to see if there was any reference at all to Hood ~ nothing.
What happened to Selby Quaker records after that ?
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Some at Leeds University library
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Dobfarm ~ I went through the Selby Quaker meeting book which ended at 1786 ( as luck would have it) just to see if there was any reference at all to Hood ~ nothing.
What happened to Selby Quaker records after that ?
Hi Claire
Thank you.
Been through page by page too of the 1780s, but since discovered from the Quaker Library, that Selby Quakers then came under York until c.1837. Then as dobfarm rightly says, Leeds University Special Collections (Brotherton).
Seems this Christopher Coo below (time of Henry VIII) was connected with the Navy / Admiralty ...
Small paper, p. 1. (277) Costs laid out for the Lezard by her captain. Signed: By me Cristofre Coo. Howard's order is dated 18 June. P. 1. (285–9) Account by Sir Thomas Wyndham of payments to the Trinyte, Mary Christopher and Mathewe, of Bristol, from 1 Feb. to 11 April 4 Hen. VIII. With Howard's warrants, dated 9 June 5 Hen. VIII., for these payments and two bills of particulars put in by the owners. The ships were taken up by Anthony Poyntz, esq., and payments received by John Shipman. Pp. 5.
Wondering if George Hood began life with the surname Coo.
For what its worth, to me George Hood's Seal is suggesting what the problem is, George Hood was a Coo, or whatever the Seal represents.
Regards Mark
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I wonder if George Hood was in the Royal Navy.
To find the records of lower Ranks and sailors, I'm told you need to know the name/s of the Ship/s first, that they served on, to find them in TNA, Kew?
Mark
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23 pages of Coe probate (or where Coe is mentioned) records 1800-1850
http://www.norfolksources.norfolk.gov.uk/DserveNS/
EDIT: There are George Hoods showing up in the British Royal Navy & Royal Marines Service And Pension Records, 1704-1919 for dates between 1800-1820
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23 pages of Coe probate (or where Coe is mentioned) records 1800-1850
http://www.norfolksources.norfolk.gov.uk/DserveNS/
EDIT: There are George Hoods showing up in the British Royal Navy & Royal Marines Service And Pension Records, 1704-1919 for dates between 1800-1820
Any possible Navy matches please Claire, for Hood?
Tried Navy before. But led to believe only the higher Ranks have surviving records for our period. The remainder are found by searching the Muster of the R.N. Ship itself.
The following only covered the ships in the Battle of Trafalgar and only about two months ago, they were saying that those personnel of the ships not involved in the Battle, were not on the database.
No George Hood listed in the Battle of Trafalgar (searched with age of 20 in 1805 -/+ 5 years)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/advanced_search.asp?error=103&surname=Hood&firstname=George&age=20&plus_minus_years=5&rating=&search.y=10&birth_place=&ship_id=&http_referer_for_results_page=%2Ftrafalgarancestors%2Fadvanced%5Fsearch%2Easp&search.x=32
Regards Mark
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There is a George Hood enlisting in Manchester June 1800 for the Foot Guards, and from Knaresborough area, probably to early.
Just checking each entry as I get to them.
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Noticed some writing at top of Seal
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That's a good spot dobfarm, will have to look at that
And this:
Here's an interesting one, don't really understand some of it
From the British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852 :
Date: 1808-1814
Rank: Armourer
Vessel: Acasta
Relation named: Mother ~ Elizabeth
By whom paid: ex: Berwick on Tweed
Lots of numbers will send on if you like
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image Upside down
GE------ HOO
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What do you think it says ?
EDIT: I think you could be right dobfarm. I can definitely see the last few letters, and the beginning of the first few.
Claire
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A visit to see the original seal will only tell.
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That's a good spot dobfarm, will have to look at that
And this:
Here's an interesting one, don't really understand some of it
From the British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852 :
Date: 1808-1814
Rank: Armourer
Vessel: Acasta
Relation named: Mother ~ Elizabeth
By whom paid: ex: Berwick on Tweed
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Thanks Claire and dobfarm
Now you have mentioned it dobfarm, I can see some lettering, but not awfully clear yet. I have already asked the archive concerned last week, about a high resolution close-up photograph. I'll chase up a price by telephone and pay.
Will of Ann Hood, Kingston upon Hull Proved 1799
From one of our visits to York, the Will of
Ann Hood, late of Morton in the County of Lincoln but now of the town of Kingston upon Hull in the County of the same town Widow made this fifth day of March ...
Will written 1798.
plenty of non-Hood surnames mentioned, to be laid to rest at Gainsborough Church Yard.
I give and bequeath unto Samuel Hood late of Morton aforesaid Seaman the son of my late husband but has not been heard of by me or any of his to my knowledge or belief these several years last past the sum of £300 ...
COO on Free BMD and very few too, to 1870.
Leeds, Dewsbury, Huddersfield, Sheffield, 1 at Nuneaton, 1 at Newcastle, 1 at Altrincham, 1 at Dunmow (Essex), 1 at Farnham, also Greenwich, Hackney, Lewisham & Woolwich.
Remainder of them, Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Kent.
1838 Death, Rebecca Coo, Gainsboro'
1838 Marriage, Charles Parrot Coo, Sculcoates [Witnesses please?]
1839 Death, William Coo, Horncastle [Lincolnshire]
1840 Birth, Mary Ann Coo, Boston [Lincs.]
1840 Birth, Rebecca Coo, Gainsbro'
1840 Birth, William Henry Coo, Boston
1840 Death, Mary Ann Coo, Boston
1840 Death, William Henry Coo, Boston
1840 Marriage, Amy Coo, Horncastle [Witnesses please?]
More for Horncastle, Boston and Gainsboro'
Ann Hood left money in her Will for the Church at Gainsbrough[sic] to purchase a Chalice and have it inscribed in her Memory and also a Family memorial stone for her and her children.
Regards Mark
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Noticed some writing at top of Seal
Thanks dobfarm
I'm rather excited!
Where a family Crest is used by a Son, other than the first male Heir of that family, apparently the Crest and the Seal are varied and the bordure of the seal is treated differently to represent that?
It could signify a Branch of, or Cadet of that Family.
I see reference to Cadence in Scotland.
It could even be a pattern in the Border to indicate a Cadet of a family.
Spoke to the holder of the Will, who fortunately have specialised overhead scanning and camera equipment and they are looking at the best way to proceed, to see if they can capture a better image and a cost.
Thank you for your interest.
Kind regards Mark
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That's such a great find dobfarm I hope it leads to something good :)
18 June 1838 Sculcoates
Charles Parrot Coo Bach of full age. Wheeler in the Royal Horse Artillary , Woolwich. Father: William Coo - wheelwright
Eliza Sowerby Spin. of full age. Millimgton Lane. Father: Richard Sowerby - carpenter
Witnesses: Richard and Ann Sowerby
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Thanks Claire and dobfarm
Now you have mentioned it dobfarm, I can see some lettering, but not awfully clear yet. I have already asked the archive concerned last week, about a high resolution close-up photograph. I'll chase up a price by telephone and pay.
Will of Ann Hood, Kingston upon Hull Proved 1799
From one of our visits to York, the Will of
Ann Hood, late of Morton in the County of Lincoln but now of the town of Kingston upon Hull in the County of the same town Widow made this fifth day of March ...
Will written 1798.
plenty of non-Hood surnames mentioned, to be laid to rest at Gainsborough Church Yard.
I give and bequeath unto Samuel Hood late of Morton aforesaid Seaman the son of my late husband but has not been heard of by me or any of his to my knowledge or belief these several years last past the sum of £300 ...
COO on Free BMD and very few too, to 1870.
Leeds, Dewsbury, Huddersfield, Sheffield, 1 at Nuneaton, 1 at Newcastle, 1 at Altrincham, 1 at Dunmow (Essex), 1 at Farnham, also Greenwich, Hackney, Lewisham & Woolwich.
Remainder of them, Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Kent.
1838 Death, Rebecca Coo, Gainsboro'
1838 Marriage, Charles Parrot Coo, Sculcoates [Witnesses please?]
1839 Death, William Coo, Horncastle [Lincolnshire]
1840 Birth, Mary Ann Coo, Boston [Lincs.]
1840 Birth, Rebecca Coo, Gainsbro'
1840 Birth, William Henry Coo, Boston
1840 Death, Mary Ann Coo, Boston
1840 Death, William Henry Coo, Boston
1840 Marriage, Amy Coo, Horncastle [Witnesses please?]
More for Horncastle, Boston and Gainsboro'
Ann Hood left money in her Will for the Church at Gainsbrough[sic] to purchase a Chalice and have it inscribed in her Memory and also a Family memorial stone for her and her children.
Regards Mark
That's such a great find dobfarm I hope it leads to something good :)
18 June 1838 Sculcoates
Charles Parrot Coo Bach of full age. Wheeler in the Royal Horse Artillary , Woolwich. Father: William Coo - wheelwright
Eliza Sowerby Spin. of full age. Millimgton Lane. Father: Richard Sowerby - carpenter
Witnesses: Richard and Ann Sowerby
Thanks Claire, did you say Bach was part of Coo's name?
Found this unconfirmed information online ...
Joseph Hood died before 1841. He married Ann Hirst on 25 Jun 1815 in Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire.
Ann Hirst was born about 1801 in Yorkshire. She married Joseph Hood on 25 Jun 1815 in Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire.
One of their children
Sarah Bach Hood was christened 1 on 22 Jul 1827 in Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire.
i) My George Hood linked to Coo, from Seal.
ii) Coo linked to Bach, [From Claire, above]. Bach was short for Bachelor
iii) Child with name Bach Hood, mother nee HIRST [Emma Hirst born Ledsham appearing with Charles Hood born Selby in a Census].
http://www.beanweb.net/ft/bean/pafg12.htm#12606
Thank you
Regards Mark
EDIT: Additional Information Emma Hirst
Found (part 1881) Census for Emma Hirst, born Ledsham, a Visitor in 1891 with Charles Hood, born Selby.
Free BMD (details below).
Any other links to Hood, or Hood witnesses, or Hood in Census households of Emma Tindall, please?
Residence 30 Beancroft St., Castleford
Joseph G Hirst, born Hailsham 1855
Emma Hirst, born Ledsham 1854
Amy Hirst, born Castleford 1878
Oliver Hirst, born Castleford 1881
Possible Marriage Jan - Mar Quarter 1877, Tadcaster District
Joseph Goulton Hirst
Emma Tindall
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Mark I'm so sorry -
Bach(elor)
Spin(ster)
:'( :'(
But maybe there is something with what you've posted.
We will get to the bottom of this though, I'm sure.
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Mark I'm so sorry -
Bach(elor)
Spin(ster)
:'( :'(
But maybe there is something with what you've posted.
We will get to the bottom of this though, I'm sure.
Saw Bach no comma and thought additional surname information, not on the Marriage Index.
The link is now gone.
You are Forgiven.
*False Alarm, good intent, returning to Home Station*
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Marriage Ledsham 20 March 1877
Joseph GOULTON Hirst full bachelor, mason of Ledsham. Father: Oliver Hirst - currier
Emma Tindall full spinster of Ledsham. Father: George Tindall - farmer.
Witnesses: Jesse Clegg and Susan Whiteley.
Variant of GOULTON - Golton - witness at Richard Gibson wedding was a Golton whose sons wife went on to marry Chester Newby.
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Marriage Ledsham 20 March 1877
Joseph GOULTON Hirst full bachelor, mason of Ledsham. Father: Oliver Hirst - currier
Emma Tindall full spinster of Ledsham. Father: George Tindall - farmer.
Witnesses: Jesse Clegg and Susan Whiteley.
Variant of GOULTON - Golton - witness at Richard Gibson wedding was a Golton whose sons wife went on to marry Chester Newby.
Thanks
That only proves they knew each other, especially as Emma Hirst was only recorded as a "Visitor" with Charles Hood born Selby. There were Hirsts and Goltons / Goultons in the Selby Parish Register.
When I saw "Bach" I thought 'Gotcha now George Hood'! But he's slipped off, only leaving conundrum, a darn Seal that would probably leave a Doctor in Egyptology guessing!
Here is my MI 5 badge (LOL). It means nothing, except to those who know!
Regards Mark
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William Hood bapt Selby 1816 is not in the 1841 Census at Selby.
Got this feeling (might be imagination) I've seen Coo/Coe on same page as a Hood, somewhere?
Is there any way that:-
1) William Hood and
2) Coo,
on the same 1841 Census page / household, can be checked please for whole of UK, where the age and birth country of Coo / Coe is unknown, please?
We have exact surnames to go at and William Hood's age and born Yorkshire, although Hood's age might possibly be rounded down in the 1841 Census?
Knowing my fortune, the household if any, probably goes over the page.
Thanks Mark
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Rebecca Hudd = William Cue
16 October 1777, Calne, Wiltshire
CP 40: It seems Coo has a long association with Lincolnshire some listed from Gaynysburgh in this case ...
940 Lincs
Elizabeth Howard Duchess of Norfolk, tresspass: assault
John Coo, is amongst a long list.
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Could be your William Hood b1816 Registration District Sculcoates
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQPV-LGZ
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Could be your William Hood b1816 Registration District Sculcoates
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQPV-LGZ
Thank You,
I got that Census page a while ago, William Hood is a Male Servant in the Todd Household at Harland Wood House, Cottingham.
Allen Jackson Male 3 years Border written immediately underneath William Hood.
One Birth at Huddersfield District Sept Qtr 1839.
Regards Mark
New GRO Index
Allen Jackson Mother's Maiden Name - BEVERS
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Rebecca Hudd = William Cue
16 October 1777, Calne, Wiltshire
Nearest Hood - Coo, coming up on Family Search, Marriage so far.
Not excited, but interested to see what the Register says, please?
From Claire ...
Allegations for Marriage Licences in the Archdeaconry of Sudbury, Suffolk
George Coe, widower of Hargrave: husbandman & Mary HOOD single woman of Dalham at Dalham 20 September 1725
Page 84, number 114
https://archive.org/stream/allegationsforma69chur#page/84/mode/2up
1891 Name Distribution of Coo Families
England and Wales
Largest part of the Country 0
1 - 2 Families
3 - 5 Families
6 - 10 Families
Map
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/name-origin?surname=coo
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The registers for Calne are not on the sites I subscribe too ~ they only have the transcription that you have. Rebecca was buried in Calne in 1821 as CUE.
A later marriage:
22 Dec 1818 Tonbridge Kent, William Coe and Sarah Hood.
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Wonder if this is something to do with what you were looking at yesterday,
https://archive.org/stream/fragmentagenealo01cris_0#page/38/mode/2up/search/Coo
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The registers for Calne are not on the sites I subscribe too ~ they only have the transcription that you have. Rebecca was buried in Calne in 1821 as CUE.
A later marriage:
22 Dec 1818 Tonbridge Kent, William Coe and Sarah Hood.
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Wonder if this is something to do with what you were looking at yesterday,
https://archive.org/stream/fragmentagenealo01cris_0#page/38/mode/2up/search/Coo
Thanks Claire
No, but it is all interesting.
There are very few recordings of Arms in Scotland for people called Hood. They advised me who to contact.
Regards Mark
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Well that's good news, at least it's something to look into.
I wish we could get to the bottom of it :)
Just a thought, many wives travelled with partners who were in the army, navy etc. What if George's father was serving, say in Ireland or France ( another thread touched on this subject) and he was born 'at sea' or out of the country, but came here as a baby. Technically yes he was British but he may have been baptized elsewhere.
Not trying to make this harder or anything ::)
claire
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Death Certificate
1839
Registration District SCARBOROUGH
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Scarborough in the County of York
15th May 1839 at Peak in the Township of Stainton dale
WILLIAM HOOD
Male
66 years
Labourer
Dropsy
Alley Hood In attendance Peak hill [could be Olley Hood, but an Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864 per FS, see also Census]
Registered 16th May 1839
Isaac Walsham Registrar
Aley Hood buried Cloughton 4 May 1864. According to the new GRO Death Index was Female, District of Scarborough and aged 62 [born about 1802]
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Regards Mark
Hi
Aley Hood, looks to be unmarried and aged 43 in the 1851 census at Claughton as 'dau' to John and Jane Hood, a 40 year old son William too. This looks to be the 'Scalby' couple we have looked at.
A 17 year old grandson 'John Hood born Southshields is with the household also.
Claire
Hi All
Thanks Claire
Look at the image in full.
The Cloughton 1851 Census page I have for John Hood (born Stainton Dale) and Jane Hood (born Scalby ?Dabbs?) of Newland's [Farm] Cloughton, with Grandson John L. Hood Ag. Labourer, aged 17, born Durham South Shields.
Father of John Laidler Hood baptised St Hilda, Abode South Shields 30 June 1833. Its our old friend George Hood the Mariner?
Got to find our research on George Hood, Mariner, again.
Regards Mark
George Hood Mariner Will, proved 1841
Link in Reply #6
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.msg6018911#msg6018911
EDITED
George Hood, Mariner was Father in the 30 June 1833 St Hilda Baptism to John Laidler Hood and George was married twice, first to Mary.
M.I. records for Scalby and there is a July 1833 burial of Mary Hood (nee Mary Leadley), Cloughton.
Inserted by the transcribers is ... PR 1833 Jul 26 Mary Hood, Shields, 28.
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One Hood family at Scarborough are also linked to the Leadley.
A John Leadley Hood was the Grandson of John Hood of Nettleham as well. Some of this Hood family of Nettleham, Lincs & Yorkshire were born to female nee Hoods. So some of the sons of nee Hood mothers, took Hood from their Grandfathers John Hood of Nettleham & William Hood of Northallerton.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.0
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Regards Mark
Hi
According to an old post in RootsChat Lincolnshire, I have connected John Laidler Hood incorrectly
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.msg5821787#msg5821787
Reply #4 (see also Reply #3)
Thank you, Burial Register matches and the Christening date and Yafforth are a match too ...
Jno. Leadlow Hood, christened 29 September 1822, Yafforth Yorkshire, father John Hood and mother Ann Smith.
Marriage in IGI https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKYY-JT5
14 May 1818 at Topcliffe
John HOOD to Ann Smith ROB
Her baptism https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSL4-78B
Seems the Leadley of Yorkshire Will was being administered by the Hoods of Nettleham Hall, Lincoln.
Incidentally a Miss Leadley [spelt differectly in one of the newspapers] was there on the night of a massive fire, early hours of 1st March 1937.
Also a Wing Commander G. H. COCK M.C., (?Gerald Harry Cock) Commanding Officer of Scampton Aerodrome according to a newspaper and he had been let the Hall by Pilot Officer John S. F. Hood of Waddington Aerodrome, Lincoln. The C.O.s son was Peter Cock.
However, another newspaper says that Wing Commander Cock was occupying the Hall whilst Mrs Hood was in Italy.
Any HOOD - G. H. COCK marriage / name link, before 1815, please?
One unverified commercial source (that I am attempting to look into) is suggesting a link from the Coo Family surname to:- M'Coo and then Coc; Cok; Cook and Cooke via Ireland and Scotland.
However, the Irish Property Registers and Scotlands People circa 1700 to 1800 for McCoo and MacCoo, do not seem to support this commercial company claim.
Although you found a sideways marriage to a William Cook in the Gibson proposal, the Coo Seal and James Hood's daughter carrying Cook as a middle name, might suggest that George Hood (d.1845 Selby) had Cook ancestry himself.
Incidentally a John Cook occupied the premises at Knottingley immediately before George Hood's short occupation in 1813.
I am waiting for a clearer image, before I can reply to the Official Government Office with the requested documents.
Arms were granted to a named individual and there are rules about how they pass to the Heir, or in the case of Cadence (other sons). Entitlement is officially confirmed and authorised by UK Government.
Regards Mark
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Cock/Hood marriages.
Some very early ones
Xpofer Cock mar. Elizabeth Hood 31 May 15, 1582: Spalding, St Mary St Nicolas, Lincs.
James Cock mar. Issobell Hood 16 May 1669 Kilspindie, Perthshire, Scotland.
Petherick Hood mar. Elizabeth Cock 27 Feb. 1605 St. Columb, Cornwall.
Alexander Hood mar. Isabel Cock 14 Jan. 1805 Tibbermore, Perthshire, Scotland.
Thought I would throw this in the mix, after the baptism of the George Hood born to Hope Hood ( still can't find him) in Dorset.
BRIDPORT 7th April 1768
Samuel Hood sojourner mar. Sarah Cook.
Witnesses: John Hood and John Jacobs
Claire
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George Hood son of Hope Hood baptised 25th Dec 1788 Broadwinsor Dorset
Hope Hood daughter of John & Elizabeth Hood baptised 22nd Feb 1765 Broadwinsor Dorset
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Thank you.
General Monck had gathered an Army in Scotland from various families including Col. Hood and his supporters, some settling in Yorkshire, marched to London to restore Charles II to the throne in 1660.
Fifty years ago I recall a great debate as a small boy over what type of bird was in a motto my Grandmother Hood had. My Grandfather (Mum's side) was saying that is no Crow, Crows are large blackbirds like Rooks, up in woodland trees. This seems to rule out a link to Hood of Northallerton and Nettleham.
I heard about incursions over the Scottish - English border and also Bonnie Prince Charlie mentioned and the Battle of Culloden.
According to a Reference book found about persons concerned with the Rebellion, several Hoods were involved and this was at the time of Culloden.
I'm really bound, to see what, if anything I can trace about the Seal, especially as the first burial reveals little new information to confirm anything.
Regards Mark
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-RF99-PK?mode=g&i=275&cc=1823613
Hello All
Interesting dobfarm, that you found a William Son of William Hood and a late Maria Proctor Sp'r at Hedenham in 1800.
Hedenham was next door to Ditchingham, from where these other Vincent Hoods (Samuel Hood, Head born Ditchingham about 1816) came from, who seemed to turn up at Long Drax, between the Census of 1851 (Ditchingham) and 1861 at Long Drax.
Nothing to link my George Hood with these other Hoods, at the moment.
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The only reference from the Hutchinson Museum to a Selby Procter elsewhere, was:-
In a quotation from a letter of June 22, 1886 to his wife , he wrote: "…I have been a journey. It occurred to me that I should much like to see uncle Proctor once more, so I went to Kettering this afternoon, I was glad I went…Uncle Proctor has expressed a wish to be buried at Gedney…"
George Hood's association with Procter of Selby may have been a business one to start with (Hood Brewery premises owned by Procter), but because of the Quaker burial of George Hood a non-Quaker, the Hoods of Selby must have been very well acquainted with the Procters and Hutchinsons of Selby. See Edit.
EDIT: Although the Thorne Quaker wedding James Backhouse = Mary Dearman, in the Sixth Month of 1787 had a Procter and Hord as relatives.
Regards Mark
Hopefully, the improved image of the Seal might help with the Ancestry of my elusive George Hood ;D
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Only Drax Quakers were closely linked with Selby Quakers
http://scs.statementdigital.com/uploads/selby_civic_society/files/QuakerBurialGroundqr.pdf
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm. A Grandchild Matilda V. Hood was baptised Drax 1861, but recent burial developments confirm that a person's religious preference can change.
Robert Coe
https://archive.org/stream/robertcoepuritan00bart#page/22/mode/2up
I have only skimmed through the book electronically looking for certain references.
The book is linking certain Coe family members to John Coo of Gestingthorpe number 1 in a tree.
On page Page 16 the author says … “In the original records the founder of the Hawkwood Charities is called John Coo (not Cook) of Gestingthorpe, as appears from the following documents:” …
Then on page 17 a footnote appears as an asterisk against the surname of John “Coo*”
In the asterisk footnote and page 7, it would seem that the author was suggesting that Coo was originally Coe, by using translation variations.
Seals
There are two seals featured (p.23), it seems from a document 13 Henry VI involving a grant by several parties including Coo to Thomas Chetwood, found by the author in a book regarding the Chetwood Charters.
EDITED: Part deleted - see Reply #255 regarding the Crane and the Martlet.
Regards Mark
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Hello All
Fairbairn's Crests is the only one I can find, fortunately it is searchable & Control F searchable in PDF.
Volume 1 with Descriptions and part of the Plates Index
https://ia601407.us.archive.org/34/items/fairbairnsbookof01fair/fairbairnsbookof01fair.pdf
Volume 2 with other part of Plates Index and Plates of the Crests
https://archive.org/stream/FairbairnsBookOfCrestsV2#page/n29/mode/2up/search/Coe
In the Index the first number denotes the Plate and second number relates to the Crest.
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Regarding the Robert Coe, Puritan ... book published in 1911 the seals on page 23 feature a Martlet bird (also linked to Coe).
https://archive.org/stream/robertcoepuritan00bart#page/22/mode/2up
The descriptions in Fairbairns for 'Coo' and 'see Coe' in Volume 1 (thread p.20) and also the Plates Index / Plates in Volume 2, the Crane is linked to Coo and Coe and the Martlet to Coe.
George Hoods Seal is named Coo, apparently depicting the Crane of Coo.
The different poses of the birds with various items, apparently denote generations or cadency in heraldry.
Regards Mark
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From this poor seal image, and from you bird images. I'll go along with the bird in the seal but looking at your bird images, what you think is Coo is in fact that rope pattern branch the bird is stood on like the birds in your pictures.
The OO is one an oval O split with a crack in the seal.
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That's a good point dobfarm but on all the seals I've looked at the rope looks 'like rope' - the image on GH's seal looks too segmented, more like letters.
But that's just my opinion, you could be right. :)
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From this poor seal image, and from you bird images. I'll go along with the bird in the seal but looking at your bird images, what you think is Coo is in fact that rope pattern branch the bird is stood on like the birds in your pictures.
The OO is one an oval O split with a crack in the seal.
Hello All
dobfarm, I think the second letter O has a crack through it.
Between the birds legs I don't feel it is rope, but some type of calipers, or divider/pincer, or other instrument, if you go back to my improved image (not the one sketched over) of the Red Seal, this detail seems to have been more protected by the border.
Page 21, Reply #188. 23 Feb 17.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.188
Facing the bird:-
the left leg has its claw folded over the instrument and
the right claw stood on the edge of the instrument
I'm waiting for a close-up photo, I also want to see what lettering you and others have noticed in the border / bordure.
Altering the seal indicated a different generation from the last.
I am very much picking this up as I go along.
Regards Mark
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I'm still seeing letters looking back at the pic put up. But, if we are looking at a family crest - they do seem to have the rope detail.
BTW - saw a pigeon in the garden this morning, first thought: family crests :-\ I think I need to get out more :)
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I'm still seeing letters looking back at the pic put up. But, if we are looking at a family crest - they do seem to have the rope detail.
BTW - saw a pigeon in the garden this morning, first thought: family crests :-\ I think I need to get out more :)
If you look at my last image, bottom right insert, I outlined a what seems a rope that the twists are evenly spaced and exactly 6 twists that look like a row of rope twists as same as the other crests images Mark posted.
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I've looked at all the pics, and I totally get where you are coming from - can you not work your magic and figure out what the writing says at the top ? My photo imaging suite isn't getting a good enough picture of it ;D
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Best wait till Mark gets a better higher resolution image of the seal and then use enhance programs. Those cracks in the image and the spacing of the thought word Coo are not equal spacing if that crack is closed in the double 00. Though say we call it "the stand back long view" of that poor image and Mark's rope & bird images do seem match.
That writing at the top is unreadable even after enhancement. :(
It beggars belief how this seal will find George Hood parents or place of birth or baptism but one never knows
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Considering Mark's dad says their Hood's were Scottish origins and George's trade Cooper/ Brewer/Tanner/Grocer of booze (Wife & son).
I'm working on
Hull (Hessle) Griffin Breweries Cow lane -James Hood 1846 a Scot from Dumfries
https://www.sites.google.com/site/hesslelocalhistorysociety/hessle-s-history/hessle-in-1879
William Hood a cooper Hull dad Richard Hood d 1838
and a John Hood Ship Inn publican 1780 Gateshead ? and Geo Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead dad John Hood
Maybe the Gateshead George schooled and brought up in Yorkshire if John Hood publican (maybe born Scottland) moved pubs/inns to Yorkshire or moved to Gateshead from Yorkshire George born in Yorkshire but baptized in Gateshead (from or too Hull ?)
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I suppose if it is a genuine family crest and we get a name from it, we do have some questions. Why was GH using it ? Is it a name from his ancestors ? I do think it's worth looking into if only to rule it out. After all, George had to come from somewhere.
Well I'm looking into a Hood family too, seem fairly well off, in 1841 they are in Gateshead ~ James Hood 60 ~ independent, wife Isabella (nee Young) , daughter Mary (Ann) 20 and an Alexander Hood 60. None born in County.
I have deaths for Alexander ( born c1773 from age at burial) and Isabella ( and an administration record for her, giving the name of another son George Young Hood.
This couple baptise their children in Newcastle ( Non Conformist) and are living in Windmill Hills in Gateshead( Do you remember the other Hood family from there ? Robert Hood ~ children Jane, Jabez ,Benjamin).
I know residence is not conclusive PoB from marriage register but James Hood was 'from Morpeth' ~ I thought a possible connection to the George Hood we've mentioned before from there.
I just can't find a probable baptism for this Alexander or for James ~ except a few possibles in Scotland too.
claire
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I suppose if it is a genuine family crest and we get a name from it, we do have some questions. Why was GH using it ? Is it a name from his ancestors ? I do think it's worth looking into if only to rule it out. After all, George had to come from somewhere.
Well I'm looking into a Hood family too, seem fairly well off, in 1841 they are in Gateshead ~ James Hood 60 ~ independent, wife Isabella (nee Young) , daughter Mary (Ann) 20 and an Alexander Hood 60. None born in County.
I have deaths for Alexander ( born c1773 from age at burial) and Isabella ( and an administration record for her, giving the name of another son George Young Hood.
This couple baptise their children in Newcastle ( Non Conformist) and are living in Windmill Hills in Gateshead( Do you remember the other Hood family from there ? Robert Hood ~ children Jane, Jabez ,Benjamin).
I know residence is not conclusive PoB from marriage register but James Hood was 'from Morpeth' ~ I thought a possible connection to the George Hood we've mentioned before from there.
I just can't find a probable baptism for this Alexander or for James ~ except a few possibles in Scotland too.
claire
Have you a circa year of birth for Isabella thinking Isabella would be too young for a George b 1786 ish - ie;- George Young Hood born ?
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From the GRO death index Isabella YoB, c1779.
My train of thought is given her son is George Y Hood, maybe James her husband had a brother George, but both families are alluding me in terms of baptisms for any of them
From GRO index George Young Hood was born c1815, baptisms for James and Isabellas children are on FS
EDIT: I apologise ~wasn't very clear in saying who George Young Hood was.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DH47-49J?mode=g&i=100&cc=2353049
I've a few possible death registrations for JAMES Hood. Neither in Gateshead. :-\
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J Bunell ( or Burell) Proctor signed the Allegation Bond
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Possible parents for the above James and Alexander Hood
Alexander HOOD married Ellinor GRAY 11 Jun 1767 at Longframlington, another record says Felton.
I can't find one baptism for any child born to this couple >:(
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I wrote in a PM to Claire
Still think the key is George's occupation but cant rule out a Quaker birth 1780 to 1790 and Quakers did not record births always in the 18th century and so George's origins may never be known.
Claire wrote back in a PM
But where would he (George Hood d 1845 Selby Quaker burial Selby) get all his cash from at a relatively young age ? I've also been through most of the Wills for Selby ~ he never gets a mention, never a witness. Wedding registers ~ never a witness. He's like the invisible man. It's almost like he never wanted to be found before his marriage.
I wrote back to her in another PM
Its not just the money, its the trade skills, a cooper trade takes years to learn, Brewing need business and brewing knowledge and tanning is one of the hardest of trades to learn. Business knowledge to turn a business around needs skill unless the cooper business Wren Lane Selby itself was running in the black turning over OK but Richard Gibson himself had other debt issues outside the cooper business, like gambling or other ventures. If George Hood was a skilled cooper promoted to say foreman and picked up R Gibson's business up for a pittance. ???-There is so much known of George Hood businessman post 1812 but nothing before.
found online link could answer
http://www.quakersintheworld.org/quakers-in-action/39/-Business
quote from link
" Most early Quakers were involved in small-scale local trade, as farmers, craftspeople and artisans.
As the Industrial Revolution unfolded in Britain in the 18th century, many Quakers poured their energies and talents into innovative business ventures. Like other nonconformists, they were barred from university, and most professions, so business was a natural outlet for their talents. They also often had ready access to advice and support, and start-up resources, within their community: Quakers had become a close-knit network of mutually supportive families, many of whom were involved in interconnected businesses.
Quakers sought enterprises that were non-military and also useful - the ‘innocent trades’. They pioneered the mass production of iron, and there were mining and metal production concerns, all central to the early Industrial Revolution "
http://hullhistorycentre.org.uk/quaker/quakerguide.pdf
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From the GRO death index Isabella YoB, c1779.
My train of thought is given her son is George Y Hood, maybe James her husband had a brother George, but both families are alluding me in terms of baptisms for any of them
From GRO index George Young Hood was born c1815, baptisms for James and Isabellas children are on FS
EDIT: I apologise ~wasn't very clear in saying who George Young Hood was.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DH47-49J?mode=g&i=100&cc=2353049
I've a few possible death registrations for JAMES Hood. Neither in Gateshead. :-\
Hi
Thanks for all replies and continuing interest.
I wonder if you are onto something, when you have other Hoods with no baptisms. They were probably dissenting Independents. If my father is right about Scottish origin, some Hoods will certainly not be C of E.
Families of larger country houses had their own Chapels, which varied from a separate chapel building, to one room in an established townhouse, e.g. Hood of Bardon Park had their own Chapel building.
I get the feeling George Hood was a swinging Independent, but once marrying in Church (by Allegation/Bond/Licence) in 1815 they encouraged George & Sarah to have their children baptised, but George Hood became involved with the Quaker business community and we now know he made the request to be buried in the Quaker Burial Ground, as a non-Quaker.
This shows George Hood of Selby had no strong religious persuasion or conviction to the same faith through life.
These people are loose cannons to the family historian! According to the unverified online claim regarding Jane Hood's (nee Casson, alias Jane Casson Hood) papers she put together in the 1880s [ex Selby, late of Brayton at death], these papers were still held by a Casson in America.
Where families hold papers, they ought to allow bonafide Archives (who list them or the collection online) to photocopy them.
I'm awaiting the high resolution photo of the seal, before I can add much else.
Regards Mark
I've got a newspaper death notice of James Hood, a Baker of Gateshead, I will look it out.
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The James Hood in my posts was a baker - from a transcript of a baptism of another son Alexander Young Hood born c1810. :) :) :)
When did he die ????
I have numerous deaths in the GRO index but no online burial records for him or Isabella.
Claire
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Well you finally got what was seeming an impossible to find task = George's burial place
Keep at it as Claire says George came from somewhere also where did he picked up his talents in early life, Quakers had to go part secret up against the established church, no wonder documents are hard to find and George could have been a swinging pendulum over his faiths. His spouse Sarah Russell's religion ? and maybe his parents had different faiths-one a Quaker
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Best wait till Mark gets a better higher resolution image of the seal and then use enhance programs. Those cracks in the image and the spacing of the thought word Coo are not equal spacing if that crack is closed in the double 00. Though say we call it "the stand back long view" of that poor image and Mark's rope & bird images do seem match.
That writing at the top is unreadable even after enhancement. :(
It beggars belief how this seal will find George Hood parents or place of birth or baptism but one never knows
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Considering Mark's dad says their Hood's were Scottish origins and George's trade Cooper/ Brewer/Tanner/Grocer of booze (Wife & son).
I'm working on
Hull (Hessle) Griffin Breweries Cow lane -James Hood 1846 a Scot from Dumfries
https://www.sites.google.com/site/hesslelocalhistorysociety/hessle-s-history/hessle-in-1879
William Hood a cooper Hull dad Richard Hood d 1838
and a John Hood Ship Inn publican 1780's Gateshead ? and Geo Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead dad John Hood
Maybe the Gateshead George schooled and brought up in Yorkshire if John Hood publican (maybe born Scottland) moved pubs/inns to Yorkshire or moved to Gateshead from Yorkshire George born in Yorkshire but baptized in Gateshead (from or too Hull ?)
(Bear in mind George Hood d 1845 was a brewer)
The Leeds Intelligencer Dec 9th 1793
Notice here given
Leeds and Halifax turnpike road
That the tolls arising at the said several toll gates, will be let by auction to the best bidder at the house of Mr John Hood the Talbot Inn, in Bradford
date 14th November 1793 Bradford
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Now that is a good spot dobfarm ;D
Keeping with the alehouse/inn theme
In 1773 and 1778 a James HOOD appears in Alehouse Licences, possibly the same man. In 1773 Whitley he appears in the column " suretees and sums they are bound in". In 1778 in Shadwell he is an innkeeper
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Found so far:-
1832
Newcastle upon Tyne Poll Book voting as Inhabitant Householder
James Hood, baker, abode Quayside [my ref: section C, p.26]
1841
Newcastle Courant 14th; Newcastle Journal 15th May
At Gateshead Fell, on the 8th inst., aged 38, Adam, son of Mr James Hood, late baker on the Quay Side. [my ref: section C, p.19 reverse]
1847
Newcastle Journal 3rd July (James Hood, no occupation but Westgate Street)
At Croft, on the 29th ult. aged 76, Mr James Hood, of Westgate-street, in this town.
[my ref: Section C, p.26 reverse]
1849
The Durham Advertiser, 6th April
At Newcastle ...
23rd, ...
Same day, in Westgate Street, Isabella, widow of Mr James Hood, baker, aged 70
[my ref: C, p.26, see also Newcastle Journal]
1846
Northumberland & Durham District Banking Company.
Bank Returns
Persons of Whom The Company or Partnership consists
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James Hood, Newcastle, Ship-owner
Elizabeth Hood, Spinster
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Regards Mark
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Brilliant finds :)
From Northumberland MI's
ADAM HOOD ( CofE burial)
Sacred to the memory of Sarah Mary HOOD who departed this life Octr 12th 1853 aged 22 years ADAM HOOD father of the above died May 8th 1841 aged 38 years Mary Ann widow of the late James PEEL died Octr 12th 1871 aged 88 years Them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him Barbary YOUNG widow of George YOUNG merchant of Newcastle upon Tyne died July 11th 1862 aged 88 years.
There is a Will of James Peel on the NE inheritance project. Not sure who he is in relation to the Hoods but Adams daughter Sarah M Hood is with the couple in 1841
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http://www.bradfordhistorical.org.uk/poorlaw.html
Battle of Bradford
Bradford Court House occurred where the newly elected Bradford Poor Law Guardians were meeting.
This group then made for the Talbot Inn
http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/yorkshire/bradford_bd1_talbothotel.html
This building replaced the original Talbot Hotel which dated back to 1677
The Talbot Inn must have been near the court house in the centre of Bradford which maybe the Talbot Hotel today
There should be plenty of document bumph
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Not many BMD's of Hoods in Bradford in that timeframe at all.
Do you think this John Hood had another profession as well as being an innkeeper ? There is one baptism:
Sarah bapt. 25 April 1790 Bradford Cathedral, father JOHN a mason.
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Brilliant finds :)
From Northumberland MI's
ADAM HOOD ( CofE burial)
Sacred to the memory of Sarah Mary HOOD who departed this life Octr 12th 1853 aged 22 years ADAM HOOD father of the above died May 8th 1841 aged 38 years Mary Ann widow of the late James PEEL died Octr 12th 1871 aged 88 years Them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him Barbary YOUNG widow of George YOUNG merchant of Newcastle upon Tyne died July 11th 1862 aged 88 years.
There is a Will of James Peel on the NE inheritance project. Not sure who he is in relation to the Hoods but Adams daughter Sarah M Hood is with the couple in 1841
Thank you Claire and dobfarm (your reply appeared since)
Link to Young, interesting.
John Lionel Hood
Also found that Mrs Hood the wife (Mayoress of Newcastle) of John Lionel Hood was given a tureen to mark the birth of their daughter Theodosi [think I've also seen it spelt Theodosia].
On the reverse was the "Arms of Hood" but cannot find a description of these Arms anywhere!
https://archive.org/stream/localrecordsorhi03sykeuoft#page/34/mode/2up
EDIT: see other references to Hood, George Hood p.48 [possibly George Hood of Morpeth?]
Regards Mark
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I doubt it seem the Talbot Inn in the centre of Bradford was a big pub busy place needing full time occupation of the landlord.
This is bring us in the outer range boundry of Malcolm Bull and he knows his stuff
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/
Got a feeling a connection to John Hood innkeeper who died in Aberdeen July 11 1849 Aberdeen at Brechin on the 27th ult Margaret Scott aged 57 years relict of the late John Hood Innkeeper
John Scott was bondsman to John Hood who married Elizabeth Gibson
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Hi
Recently, I came across a reference that two of the main Hood families at Whitley and Catherington, Hampshire were linked to Ireland, which is also borne out in the following 1841 grant (attached).
Seems the Hoods were in Chancery in 1866 regarding land at Whitley and Purley, near Coventry. This apparently links in Hood at Whitley to another Hood Lord Bridport (attached).
I have wondered if my George Hood was Irish and said Yes to being born Yorkshire, wishing to blend in, immigrants might not have been too popular.
The following seems to link some of the Yorkshire Hoods to Ireland, as well as Nettleham and West Firsby.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=570
John Hood bought the townlands of Lissaniska and Togher, parish of Robeen, barony of Kilmaine, county Mayo, from the sale of the estate of George Ruttledge of Togher in 1851. The sale rental of 24 June 1851 includes reference to the purchase of Togher and Lecarrow by John Hood of Nettleham Hall, Lincoln. The Hoods settled in Yorkshire in the early 18th century and by the early 19th century were resident at Nettleham Hall, Lincoln. Charles Ralph Hood of Togher House, county Mayo, was the fourth son of John Hood. In 1853 he married Sophie daughter of captain Robert Odell and granddaughter of Colonel Odell formerly Member of Parliament for Sligo. Charles Hood and his wife had three sons John Robert, Charles and William. He died in 1867. In 1876 his son John Hood owned 714 acres in county Mayo.
(See also: Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain and Ireland, Part I, by Sir Bernard Burke, 1862, Fourth Edition).
Just a thought.
There are other Hoods in the Irish Land Database too.
Regards Mark
EDIT:
ref to John Hood, Esq. of Stoneridge, County of Berwick and reference to O'dell deleted (poor ocr scan had mixed two families together).
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If we are to believe that the George H born Gateshead 1786 is the George we are looking for, he may have served an apprenticeship with one of these chaps. May be worth searching 'masters' rather than apprentice to see if there is anything there
1795 directory for Newcastle and Gateshead:
George FORSTER ~ alms House
John FORSTER ~ Cows Gate
Michael HYMERS ~ Side
Robert YOUNG ~ near scale de cross
Robert YOUNG ~ (cooper Westgate Street) *** Hood family related to Youngs were living on here
Edward WILSON ~ Scale de Cross
John HENDERSON ~ post office
John CARR ~ Painters heugh
John ATKINSON ~ Quayside
Andrew GILES ~ Close
Only HOODS listed ~ Robert HOOD ~ publican Sandhill, and Anthony Hood, fitter of Broad Chair
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Sorry ~ posts crossed. That is interesting, an Irish connection. I have come across an Irish Hood family before in my searches, but I just can't remember where :(
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Hello All
Thanks Claire and dobfarm, I think we'll have to take a break and wait a few days.
Will the seal reveal?
Regards Mark
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interesting
Robert HOOD ~ publican Sandhill 1795 directory for Newcastle and Gateshead:
Sandhill is just across the river Tyne from the Ship Inn
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interesting
Robert HOOD ~ publican Sandhill 1795 directory for Newcastle and Gateshead:
Sandhill is just across the river Tyne from the Ship Inn
See page p.3 of this thread - Robert Hood the Minister and Robert Hood Publican
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754237.18
Quoted from above
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.
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By the way, in Reply #20 of p.3, two Rootschatters have already answered two of the three George Hood births/baptisms questions regarding:-
19th May 1786 of Grange, Rhynd, Perthshire [John Hood & Christian Donaldson]
01st Oct 1786 Monymusk, Aberdeenshire [William Hood & Agnes Lamb]
24th Oct 1787 Brockholes, Coldingham, Berwickshire [John Hood & Alison Fife]
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756542.0
This is the only reference to the Hood name in the Pre-1855 MI's of Rhynd Churchyard.
38 1809: John Hood tenant Cottages of Fingask, wife Christian Donaldson,
son Peter 2.5.1785, 3 months,
son George 19.11.1787, 18 months,
son John 23.9.1800, 17 years.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756541.msg6063564#msg6063564
Son of John Hood and Alison Fife? He's my relative, and he died in 1814. There's a family gravestone for this family at Coldingham, and this George is commemorated on there, dying on 30th March 1814 aged 25. Age slightly out with the birth, but close enough to be the 1787 baptism. And matching parents. By then John Hood was tenant in Oldcambus Townhead. He died in 1816, and his wife Alison Fife in 1820. All according to the same family gravestone.
So this isn't your George. Sorry!
Regards Mark
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Claire
Assuming the same Robert Hood had two pubs, one in Sunderland 1786 and one in Newcastle on Tyne 1795 which shows these landlords moved about counties.
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Where publicans Robert Hood and John Hood were born at the moment is irreverent, (Scotland or England) but they could be brothers.
What is relevant is George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead dad John Hood
George Hood son of a John Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead -No signs of John Hood baptizing other children in Gateshead 7 year either side of 1786
On its own merit John Hood publican in Gateshead at the Ship Inn in the 1780's & this John Hood in Bradford at the Talbot Inn 1793 by dates and location in Yorkshire and Gateshead needs seriously checking out
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Totally agree dobfarm :)
Bar the one lone baptism of a Sarah Hood father John a mason in Bradford 1790 there are no other mentions of a John Hood in the Bradford parish registers upto the year 1812, or anywhere in that area ( only searching Anc* records) which is definitely suggestive of someone moving around for work.
I've checked the men in Gateshead ( coopers ) for who they had as apprentices 1785-1805 - nothing, although I know these records may not be complete.
We definitely need to rule this George in or out. And try and find this John Hood publican too in other records.
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I'll have a trip to Bradford library one day next month, when my Kitchen décor renovation is finished and also WYAS (Archives) is in the same room. By sound of the Talbot inn 1793 was a main city pub - so could be records but maybe none. ???
With what all other past searches for G H has brought, I'll take it as a being pessimistic approach ready to accept disappointment ? yet the theory it has a possible baptism for George and a possible dad living in the right county at the right time with right dads similar vocation to fit George's boozy activities in Selby.
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That's a great idea dobfarm. :)
Checked Land Tax, Qtr Session records, nothing
There is a NC burial of a John Hood in Bradford 1791 ~ can't remember his age offhand but possibly (my thoughts) could be his father. There are not many records of Hoods in Bradford
Just been looking at the PCC Wills ~ there is a Robert Hood of the Red Lion ( London) admon c1820 ~ wonder if Robert ventured that far.
claire
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Got some bad news :-[, looking at other newspaper entries at the Talbot Inn Bradford the innkeeper is coming up John WOOD
I had put just John Hood in Gale search and it brought up the 1793 of the Talbot Inn but no more, then putting in just Talbot Inn Bradford in Gale search brought up many John Wood innkeeper
Back to the drawing board.
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Never mind dobfarm :)
I think our objective stays the same though
We have George H b1786 Gateshead , father John.
Two Hoods - John and Robert, both innholders in the area, possibly brothers - one possibly the father of George.
And John Hood in Selby per Land Tax records from 1781. Both of these men can't be the father of George.
We need to eliminate one of them or both, somehow :-\
???
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G H elusive as is namesake Robin Hood and Jack the Ripper
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G H elusive as is namesake Robin Hood ...
Or born to a Lady Chatterley with the Gardener, or the outcome of a tryst between the Lord and his favourite Servant girl!
Unlikely to be born a Quaker, as his burial does not seem to be by 'Quaker birthright'.
We have got:-
1. A Grandchild carrying COOK as her middle name.
2. An 1815 Wedding Witness signing as COOKIN.
3. George's Seal with what I believe says COO (and difficult to read lettering /inscription in border).
Awaiting clearer seal, to see if there is anything in these similarites.
Regards Mark
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I'm under Northamptonshire with a few questions re Kettering ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767097.msg6192089#msg6192089
Looking at my 2 X Gt. Grandparents.
Sorry, but drink is involved yet again!
Regards Mark
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My thoughts still are.
Based on what you do know, your Hood's had downstream trades in the family, logic says that these skills were probably passed down the generations, leather trade, brewing and cooper trades, and seeming publicans. If John Hood innkeeper put his supposed son George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead into a trade that is known to be associated to the brewing industry, the need for barrels and putting George into a definite trade but would also be brought up around the brewing linked outlets of distribution to learn from.
There is definite baptism for George Hood 1786 Gateshead with no after life recorded after. ( a baptism a high need to have or work around than not having one)
There is a very probable or possible explanation for George's skills and fathers or family financial backing.
Plus the Gibson marriage to a John Hood 1779 and Richard Gibson's father of Newcastle on tyne that maybe linked
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Thanks for your comments
Mr Hood's Dram Shop in Wren Lane, Selby ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755884.0
Dram from dræm - Gaelic. Possibly suggesting family's roots. A liquor / spirits drink in Scotland was called a "wee dram" when I was a boy.
Awaiting the Seal, if that goes nowhere and now we have longer days etc., Mrs H and I will have a trip up North to look at that collection's Tenancy records (for any Gibson - Hood changeover reference).
Regards Mark
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Mr Hood selling ale in Wren lane Selby (another form of publican)
John Hood who died 1819 Selby had no retired occupation on his burial record and not proved he was husband of Jane Hood who died 1803 wife of John Hood a mariner
Any Cook's, Cockin's, Coo's, Pearson's, Bainbridges etc found in alcohol trades around Selby or Gateshead or middle England (Derbyshire -Leicestershire- Notts)
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These Irish records are proving rather interesting, including an 1866 Court Case over a property belonging to a George Hood with reference to three lives one being named as:-
"Albert Ernest Alfred ", his title being described as "His Royal Highness".
Adjacent properties in County Antrim are occupied by other Hoods.
Other surnames that are familiar to me are Hamilton and Hutchinson in the name ... Henry Hutchinson Hamilton O'Hara, (Henry O'Hara was the Earl of Antrim).
Also I have purchased a Will of Richard Peirson of Selby County of York written in 1724 and titled "1724 Mr Pearson's Will " and later Registered at Wakefield, confirming Peirson has property in Great Britain and Ireland. His Brother was Thomas Firman.
Reference to a 'Duchess of Hamilton' has come up before in our family.
Emma Hamilton was the Mistress of Lord Horatio Nelson. Descendant and Descendant relations of Nelson and Hood marrying each other in 1810 (mentioned in a 6th July 1810 Wedding notice).
In view of the above I wanted to know more about Captain Samuel Hood; George Hood seemingly aka George Hope of the Admiralty and Royal Navy.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767414.new#new
Hope Hood had a boy called George baptised in 1788 at Broadwinsor, Dorset.
Regards Mark
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Whilst on the subject of George Hood and shipping I have this 1811 East India Merchant ship, reference.
If the NEXT of KIN to GEORGE HOOD, late Quarter Master of the East India Merchant ship, City of London, a bachelor, deceased, will apply to James Paxton, No. 73, White Horse Street, Stepney, they will hear of something to their advantage.
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Richard HOOD married Rachel WHITE 17 May 1753 at East Stoke.
THEIR CHILDREN: all baptised at East Stoke
Rachell bapt. 11 Jun 1754
Mary bapt. 15 Sep 1755
Richard bapt. 23 Jul 1767
John White H bapt. 31 Dec 1759
William bapt. 23 Aug 1761
Ann bapt. 30 Sep 1764
can't see a George baptism :-\
Rachel Hood was buried 23 Mar 1769 East Stoke, so should be a baptism before this date.
Richard HOOD widower remarried to Nanny BURT 8 Sept. 1777, he signed, she left her mark. Witnesses: John and Sarah Hood, both signed.
William White's Will ~ will send it on. All the children of Richard and Rachel were to receive a share of his £1000 stock and what was left of his personal estate after the death of Johnathon White - his brother.
Johnathon White was buried 29 December 1805 East Stoke, Dorset.
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The George Hood mentioned in the Public Ledger, nothing really on him bar he died in Foreign Parts, it was an Administration record, went to probate Nov. 1811, Court: Commissary Court of London
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Hello All
Thank you Claire for info and Goughy for John Hood's Memorial photos.
Coos Lands to Petre
Regarding a Capital Messuage and estate in Norfolk called Coos, records indicate that by 1783 Robert Edward Lord Petre, were Lords.
https://archive.org/stream/historynorfolkf00masogoog#page/n65/mode/2up/search/Petre
Page 54. Richard Coo (p.56).
Regards Mark
Edit: and in 1526, William Coe and Ethelred, his wife, had an interest in it, which they sold to Thomas Jermain ... p.53. Unlikely to descend, by hereditary line Coo to Petre.
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Just noticed on page 53 that the Coe's sold their interest, so can't link Coe/Coo to Petre, as I thought.
Regards Mark
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Baron Sam Lord Hood - High admiral of the fleet ?
Seems a big jump down to ???
George Hood a barrel maker.
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Baron Sam Lord Hood - High admiral of the fleet ?
Seems a big jump down to ???
George Hood a barrel maker.
Three of George and Sarah Hood's unaccounted four adult children, have been found in the Quaker burial records. Passed on the date of death, for the outstanding daughter.
Now George Hood's widow Sarah Hood (nee Russell) is being rather awkward, possibly in a separate Register, or something.
The University Archives have kindly asked the Quaker Records Custodian Specialist to try and trace Widow, Sarah Hood (1879).
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A Gibson family had Arms, apparently buried in Newcastle Church?
Many Gibsons in England had Storks in their Crests, not too different from a Crane.
The only Gibson picture is a Stork's Head.
Regards Mark
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That is good news regarding the burials - well done.
I don't think it will be long before the unaccounted family members will be found.
This is interesting stuff regarding the Gibsons. I seem to think we touched upon an early Gibson family before - or a wealthy family of Gibsons in Newcastle around this timeframe - possibly related ?
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That is good news regarding the burials - well done.
I don't think it will be long before the unaccounted family members will be found.
This is interesting stuff regarding the Gibsons. I seem to think we touched upon an early Gibson family before - or a wealthy family of Gibsons in Newcastle around this timeframe - possibly related ?
One of the images changed to correspond to the Arms of Gibson, in the book.
Hopefully, when the new image arrives, we can read the Border / Bordure lettering?
Regards Mark
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Couple of interesting sites :)
http://digisig.org/
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/links/herrefs.shtml
claire
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Couple of interesting sites :)
http://digisig.org/
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/links/herrefs.shtml
claire
Thanks Claire
Used that Medieval Genealogy site before, lots of good links.
Looking at the red seal border (top), tilting my laptop screen back and forth, I can see 1801 followed by unrecognised characters, (although the first number 1 could be a crack, or a crack running through 1).
Started trying various 1801 searches in London Gazette, nothing yet.
Ordered photo end of Feb., seems their equipment is specially set-up for a job and once complete, they'll do mine.
Regards Mark
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Hi
Seals can also be linked to Universities, Colleges, Public Schools and other Institutions as follows:-
Ecclesiastical Heraldry,
Universities and Colleges,
Public Schools,
the College of Arms and Lyon Office,
Public Institutions,
Civic Heraldry;
Merchant Companies;
Guilds.
Looking at dobfarm's (I think) colour altered Seal.
Fairly sure I can see 1801KIN[?] (top).
George Hood would be about 16 years of age, in 1801.
Despite Coo being on the Seal, I have enquired with the very old:-
a) King's School, of Pontefract, now given as Wakefield and
b) King's Hall, Cambridge, where John Coo was appointed Fellow in 1432,
if it might be their Seals and if George Hood was a student?
For all we know, Coo could also have gifted money to an Educational Institution.
Regards Mark
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When I first saw it my immediate thought was it looked like 'Cockin'
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Hi
Almost Claire, [?]OIKIN[ ? ], or [?]OII/[ ? ]
I'll have to wait for the photo ordered.
Regards Mark
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Just for a bit of 'playing about' with image programs but only that.
Hood could be there
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Oh yes brilliant, I do see HOOD now, thank you.
With the likelihood of slight damage that has occurred since it was written and the seal not being much larger than the signature height, it is likely Hood (small extract in your first image dobfarm).
Persecution of Quakers & Others, Over 1400 in English Prisons
Their lands had been seized but not reconveyed, was mentioned.
According to a book published later in 1725, a Richard Coe a prisoner in the Gaol in Northamptonshire, is amongst a list of names being granted a Pardon.
A Pardon, or Patent was issued by the King, granting the Pardon (Royal Warrant).
Court at Whitehall 13th September 1672.
Thank you Google Books.
Regards Mark
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Seems a Mary Hood burial matching the exact death date of Sarah Hood (1879) has been found.
I'll know more when the images arrive!
Regards Mark
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So possibly an error in the register. Oh well, at least you are finally getting somewhere with them :)
Let's hope the good news keeps on coming :)
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Hi
Seems a Mary Hood burial matching the exact death date of Sarah Hood (1879) has been found.
I'll know more when the images arrive!
Regards Mark
Six Hood of Selby Quaker Burial Note images have arrived, along with five Registration slips issued by the Selby Registrar have survived, confirming the deaths have been registered.
The 1879 burial is that of Sarah Hood, aged 86, confirming Sarah Hood was the Widow of George Hood.
I'm very pleased that at last, I have confirmation of the unknown burials.
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Now for 'Lord Lucan', the mysterious appearance of George Hood? ARRRRHHHH!
The Seal is eagerly awaited!!
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Been looking at some of these Gibson Wills and downloaded several from the Durham University site, but not a sniff of a Hood amongst them! Only John Ord, transferring property to John Cook.
John Cook (Houses at Silver Street, Newcastle; Cowgate and Pandon)
John Cook, Butcher of Newcastle (Will 1773 / Admin 1817) had houses at Cowgate [probably next to Hall's Gates, near Fenham] and Pandon, Thomas Robson seems to be linked and a Ralph Gibson, a Cooper, too, also reference to John Ord [likely the same Ord of Fenham Hall].
Problem with the 1773 John Cook Will (witnessed by John Spencer) is that Son John Cook never dealt with it, so it was produced at Administration by a George Brown in 1817.
John Cook's Houses at Cowgate and Pandon were being left to his daughter Elizabeth Cook.
My attention turned to John Cook, a Butcher, when I found a Durham 1757 Marriage Allegation and Bond for John Cook (Widower) aged 40 years and upwards of All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne, a Butcher and Elizabeth Gibson (Spinster) aged 28 years, and upwards also of All Saints.
Richard Gibson - Historical Notes
Found some interesting information as to why the original Richard Gibson was granted his Arms. Gibson was the protector of the Parliament grounds. The Gibsons also received a Royal Grant of Land at Hexham.
Later the Hexham Gibsons seemed to be linked to the Town Moor at Fenham [Newcastle it would seem]. One of the Gibsons in 1718 with Arms, was Richard Gibson of St Andrew's Newcastle.
I am absolutely staggered that Richard Gibson's Bankruptcy file was not retained, especially as his Father Thomas Gibson, was from Hall's Gates, Newcastle.
Regards Mark
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That is absolutely fabulous news regarding the burials Mark.
And now for Lord Lucan....
I have checked all PCC Wills for 'Gibson' in Yorkshire, no mention of a Hood there either.
Claire
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What year was the earliest known of George Hood's family/siblings event or anything relating to Quakers
I just can't see how 2 Quaker daughter in laws (James & his Quaker wife lived outside Selby so not her) would have that influence to change a large chunk of an Anglican family into a strong Quaker environment - but no change * of their Hood religion.
Only if Casson Hood (William's wife) took hold of matters after George died 1845, Sarah (Nee Russell) Hood either of weak natured in mind or starting with mental issues to let (bullied by her) the Quaker daughter in law rule the roost.
So was George a Quaker before marriage and change his religion to Sarah Russell's Anglican hence buried Quaker but at the time Anglican because of his wife's religion Anglican Sarah Russell)
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Thank you for replies.
Difficult to say when George Hood began business associations with Quakers and Independents, but 1830s and certainly by 1839, George Hood is renting / occupying premises of William Procter a known Quaker.
Some of those, that George Hood was knocking about with, or mentioned in Hood documents (as his Tenants) seem to be a mix of Independents and Quakers.
All six Hood Quaker burials for George and Sarah Hood and their four adult unmarried children state "Not in Membership" or "Not a Member". George Hood's age is given as 60 years.
Perhaps some Independents had their children baptised as an insurance, as the Parish Church would bury baptised children without a fuss.
I've seen a latter half 19th century child burial (unbaptised) report, where the parents were forced to find a more friendly minister in another village to bury their child, but then stand outside the boundary wall of the Parish Church during the service and committal, as they did not share their Parish Church beliefs.
I noted in the 1845 Registers that some were going to Parishes some distance away for burial.
Church grave yards were overflowing (bodies were being dug up, to bury more) and perhaps Churches were saying you must go back to Birth Parish?
Having a Marriage Allegation and Bond and then not getting married quick, suggests:-
a) no local birth / baptism record
b) dissenting
c) they wanted to marry quick (but George & Sarah did not marry for just over two full months)
d) they wanted to marry without publishing Banns, more private (but George & Sarah advertised their marriage in the newspaper)
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_England_and_Wales
Possibly George Hood was:-
i) born an Independent (where no records exist)
ii) too busy working to go to church
iii) burnt his bridges with his family
iv) going back to his Parish of birth would give away who he really was, or a scandal
v) came from a distant place (but supposed to be born Yorkshire / also had the means to pay for transport)
vi) an Orphan left on Church steps / illegitimate
No reference to George Hood, asking the Quakers to bury him, so I don't know why this was said in an email, suggesting perhaps another record.
Sarah Hood's burial on 30th November 1879 was read out to the York Monthly Meeting on the 14th of 1st Mo. [January] 1880, obviously I am going to request the Meeting Minutes next. This entry has a redesigned page, allowing for this to be noted.
George Hood leaves quite a conundrum!
I feel that is him at Knottingley, but that just leaves another question, why Rent for a year in 1813 when you have rented premises at Selby in 1812.
Perhaps Wren Lane Selby was purely his business premises to begin with, NO evidence to show George Hood trained as a Cooper.
Regards Mark
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Maybe the 1812 tax entry was part and parcel of taking over the cooper business (George not actually living there) and Knottingley was an overlap accommodation place -with relative or boarding there.
Quakers did not always keep register births book but kept notes of events mid late 18th century and was a time of treading carefully with there religion against the strong C of E influence.
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George of Gateshead is pain in his own right - hither heed George of Selby
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Hello All
The creature in the two seals together, is four legged according to the other damaged seal on the Will.
The archives have suggested that the seals were probably applied at an angle and the wax has also got flattened.
No letters, the circles under the animal, are the strands that make up a length of cord.
One front leg is raised.
Seems to be a crest type seal, if it can be interpreted.
Possible creatures for consideration:-
Stag
Antelope
Colt
Horse
Nag
Unicorn
Familiar surnames:-
Foster
Fothergill
Green
Hutchison (not listed Hutchinson?)
Nicholson
Parker
Robertson
Robinson
Scott
and more.
Proctor (Scotland) can be a Greyhound
Note about the Selby Land Tax, in 1811 underneath Philip Holmes, charge to T. Foster.
Several Foster of Selby Wills were checked a while back, but no link to Hood mentioned.
Regards Mark
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestfinder-search/Hood-family-crest
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There is a seal off a Will from a woman in Selby ~ hers is a stag, but it's so faint. She leaves bequests to nephews and nieces called Young. A small bequest to a Mr Dodsworth, and a friend Mr Audus - this name comes up as a variant for Hood on F M P
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Thanks
Using both images, we have the bottom half of the beast and a short tail pointing slightly upward, so I now doubt it is a horse.
Looks like George Hood's is the bottom half of a Stag. There are other Stag plates too in different poses.
On picture 1 George has been pulling the stamp towards himself, so the wax has not even spread to form the top outline of the body.
On picture 2 George has been pulling the stamp, both toward him and right.
Regards Mark
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I'd go with stag
Cooke: Argent, a bend azure, in chief an annulet gules. Crest: a stag trippant argent.
Foster: A cheveron between three bugle-horns. Crest: a stag passant.
Think my money would be on Cook(e)
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I'd go with stag
Cooke: Argent, a bend azure, in chief an annulet gules. Crest: a stag trippant argent.
Foster: A cheveron between three bugle-horns. Crest: a stag passant.
Think my money would be on Cook(e)
Thank you.
Just read in Fairbairns that an antelope has the body of a stag and an antelope is of the deer kind, so a hind is close too.
Because the stamp has been applied at an angle twice revealing only the lower half of the body and the seal inside the Will defaced by being flattened, George has got us again! ???
A check would also be required to see if there are any headless animals of that kind, but on the Will outer seal (edges broken away) the wax has not formed the top of the body, due to pressure on the stamp being at an angle.
On the cord there should be six alternate twists and we see six ovals.
If a genuine seal of a crest, I am very much reliant on finding a written record, it does not need to have passed from a previous generation either, but can be left in a Will, or granted and even belonging to another family name.
For example Henry Mitton of Snaith, took the Arms of Eadon ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1A1KAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=%22Henry+Mitton%22+%22Arms+of+Eadon%22&source=bl&ots=G9876h1ZHx&sig=KXCG6blOyjVymevda2iJj4JIqpc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPsY-W8f3SAhUkLsAKHempC2MQ6AEIGjAA
The origin of this seal could also have passed to George Hood's line 100s of years ago, although hopefully the line and/or George Hood of Selby officially registered it. If he didn't we could be really stuck.
The two seals appear to belong to the same stamp, so we can rule out it being a bird in the seal of George Hood next to his signature.
Seems the example you found Claire is possibly for Cooke of Cambridge? Those crests were found in Cambridge.
Kind regards Mark
I have an apology to make, I am sorry as it seems Philip Holmes did not take over Richard Gibson's business, as the tax value does not correspond.
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No apologies needed, another business man checked and ruled to have no connection to GH at the moment.
This is quite a good website, fascinating looking through these stamps
Interesting or ironic that plate 68 (the stag) is the crest for the Scott family (Buccleuch)
https://armorial.library.utoronto.ca/search/armorial_search/Stag
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Hi
Thanks Claire.
Thanks to the Friends of the Cemetery where my 2 x Gt. Grandfather is buried, who have been out and photograped his Memorial. Upon his headstone memorial is written ...
'Thy Will be Done' and in Latin 'Fiat voluntas tua' Motto appears in family crests.
I see in Fairbairns that quite a few Mottoes of families appear to be scriptural verses, proverbs and sayings.
Goughy, has kindly been able to obtain a Cemetery Plan and photograped John Hood's, thank you.
Regards Mark
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Claire has discovered that Charles Turner and Magdaline Turner / Maudlin Turner (nee Maudland Hood) have had two children baptised at SCULCOATES 1797 and 1799.
Can't find anything previously on Rootschat? Seems this is new information, well spotted, thank you.
From Family Search
SCULCOATES
Charles Turner baptised 19 March 1797 Father is Charles Turner and Mother is Magdaline.
Sarah Turner baptised 21 December 1799 Father is Charles Turner and Mother is Maudlin.
Checked in my Selby Parish transcriptions to see if I can further 'belt and braces', the above and found:-
SELBY
16 July 1811 Charles Turner Son of Charles, Selby, Whitesmith. Drowned aged 14 and buried in the Church Yard.
Age 14 would give a birth of 1797, matching exactly the 1797 baptism at Sculcoates.
Charles Turner, Blacksmith married Maudland Hood at Selby (1794) and the baptism of their first child at Selby (1795), Charles Turner and Morland (nee Maudland Hood) have then been in Sculcoates for a few years, before returning back to Selby.
Leaves me with two questions:-
1) is it Charles Turner's work that took them there, or
2) is a Hood or Turner family member ill /dying, or a child orphaned?
Regards Mark
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Last child born in Selby was Elizabeth. The next born in Selby looks to be Thomas born 1802. So we have a window of 5/6 years of the family in Sculcoates.
Which leaves me with another question
Dobfarms suggestion of Maudland being George's mother could be a possible - would they make a move to see her son through an apprenticeship ?
Thus returning at a later date to take a place working alongside Richard Gibson.
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Looking Family Search HOOD, Death, 1795 to 1802, which might not have all the burials.
Searching Sculcoates, with country England, gives five, the nearest two at Hull:-
19 May 1797 HULL, York, Mary Hood - Father Henry Hood.
29 Sep 1800 HULL, York, Rob't Hood - Father Bainbridge Hood.
Also seen a Will for Ann Hood (1799) late of Morton, Lincs, but now of the town of Kingston upon Hull, Widow. Will made 5th March 1798.
Requested to be buried at Gainsbrough Church Yard.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752173.0
Mark
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I used a timeframe of 20 years either side of 1800 to get a feel of how many Hood families there possibly were in Hull
A John buried a George 1794 and a daughter 1792, but the page is too dark to read
A Charles buried a Charles 1780
A Benjamin buried a George 1805
Henry buried Mary
James buried a James 1793
An Ann buried a George and an Eleanor 1803.
Quite a few in Sculcoates registers
Baptism of Charles son of Charles and Magdalin 1797 confirms father a blacksmith.
Daughter Sarah a 'smith' in 1798
Claire
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WILL (Extracts from the Register Volume copy)
Ann Hood 1799 Kingston upon Hull
This is the last Will and Testament of me Ann Hood, late of Morton in the County of Lincoln but now of the town of Kingston upon Hull in the County of the same town Widow made this fifth day of March 1798 … I give and bequeath unto Robert Garbutt of the aforesaid town of Kingston upon Hull Taylor and Draper …
Reference to the distribution of several articles to …
unto Elizabeth Glovet of Islington near London … unto Mrs Atkinson the wife of Mr Atkinson of the Levells in the County of Lincoln … and unto Miss Raynes of Gainsbro’ my … bequeath unto Edward Serjeant of Battow in the County of Lincoln Farmer one shilling in discharge of all his claims. … Bequeath unto Robert Garbutt the younger, George Garbutt and John Garbutt the three sons of Robert Garbutt Fifty pounds a piece … when attaining twenty one years of age … I further give and bequeath unto Isaac Jones of Kingston upon Hull aforesaid Hair Dresser twenty pounds unto John Cotton the younger of the same place Ligh[?]etman twenty pounds … unto my Nephew George England of Kingston upon Hull aforesaid Sawyer … unto Hugh Finley of Kingston Upon Hull aforesaid Shipwright twenty pounds … unto my Niece Grace Skinner of Battow aforesaid Widow twenty pounds … unto Elizabeth Battick Daughter of James Barrick [spelling double ‘rr’] of Battow aforesaid Cordwainer the like sum of twenty pounds …
Reference to the purchase of a chalice for the church at Gainsborough “Widow Ann Hood” to be written upon it
… stone for myself and children to be inserted in Gainsbrough Church Yard … I give and bequeath unto Samuel Hood late of Moreton aforesaid Seaman the son of my late husband but has not been heard of by me or any of his to my knowledge or belief these several years last past the sum of three hundred pounds …
Reference to if he should return.
… appoint Robert Garbutt Sole Executor
Signed by Ann Hood
Witnesses
Tho Jackson Jun’r
H’m Sybus
Looks like Battow, probably should have been written BARROW, Lincolnshire and
Elizabeth Barrick Daughter of James Barrick of Barrow aforesaid Cordwainer the like sum of twenty pounds ...
in the Will Register?
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" unto my Nephew George England of Kingston upon Hull aforesaid Sawyer " (in 1799 )
Occupation Sawyer saws wood
Occupation Cooper saws wood
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Ann HOOD died 1799 Hull - Think this could possibly be her
Michael HOOD married Eliza Wilson 1737 Gainsborough .
Three children: Henry H born 1738, Sam. bn 1739 and Michael bn 1743
***Michael Hood marries Ann Hudson 1744/5 Gainsborough
Children :
Michael bpt 1751 ( record states father Michael of Morton)
There has to be other children from the wording of the will but there are burial records for the Sam 1739 and an Ellinor 1749
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Ann HOOD died 1799 Hull - Think this could possibly be her
Michael HOOD married Eliza Wilson 1737 Gainsborough .
Three children: Henry H born 1738, Sam. bn 1739 and Michael bn 1743
***Michael Hood marries Ann Hudson 1744/5 Gainsborough
Children :
Michael bpt 1751 ( record states father Michael of Morton)
There has to be other children from the wording of the will but there are burial records for the Sam 1739 and an Ellinor 1749
Reference to Skinner in the 1799 Will, just wondering where I've heard that before in relation to Hood?
Mark
EDIT: Skinner may have been a reference to a Hood occupation.
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John Skinner married Grace Sergeant 16 Apr 1770 Barrow on Humber
Grace Sergeant bapt. 15 Dec 1747 was the daughter of Edward Sergeant and Grace HUDSON who married 5 Jul 1744 Barrow on Humber
When George England married 1767 Barrow on Humber to a Mary Baines, Edward Sergeant was a witness.
George England was bapt. 20 Jun 1739 Barrow on Humber, parents: John and Martha England
John England married Martha HUDSON 29 Jun 1738 Elsham, Lincs.
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My word!!
Thank you, I reckon a few of you on here, have some access to some top secret database, or a God given knack!
I feel that Geo Hood's origin (or confirmation of it) lies in an Archive somewhere!
Regards Mark
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Thinking about the obvious under the nose stuff, the Quakers burial ground was all that was left for a place of burial for George & Sarah Hood in Selby, which was really our original suspicions, and by contrast how many times is Scarborough and Sculcoates coming up in this Hood family.
W Hood a cooper in Sculcoates in the Workhouse & his dad Richard Hood a mariner roots still unknown. :-\
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Well your original suspicions were correct dobfarm and I tend to agree - on more than one occasion my own searches have led to either Scarborough or the Hull/Sculcoates areas.
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Hi
Last child born in Selby was Elizabeth. The next born in Selby looks to be Thomas born 1802. So we have a window of 5/6 years of the family in Sculcoates.
Which leaves me with another question
Dobfarms suggestion of Maudland being George's mother could be a possible - would they make a move to see her son through an apprenticeship ?
Thus returning at a later date to take a place working alongside Richard Gibson.
I have reservations of Maudand as George's mum (iffy) but being the children of Maudlaund baptized in Sculcoates falls in parallel with Richard Hood died 1838 (c born 1774) Hull as maybe a connection.
Were missing something here. ???
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Yes I agree but I had to throw it in the mix. If you look at FS - there are quite a few Hood children born in Scarborough between 1759-1775 to parents John and Elizabeth.
There is even a Richard bn c1766 and a ? Hood ( son) born 1773 to J & E Hood.
I am aware there is another John & Elizabeth Hood in Scarborough (married 1759) - who are sure to be parents to some of them.
But any of these earlier baptised children could be a sibling to Maudland and/or possible father/uncle to George.
Have they been checked out ?
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Claire has discovered that Charles Turner and Magdaline Turner / Maudlin Turner (nee Maudland Hood) have had two children baptised at SCULCOATES 1797 and 1799.
Can't find anything previously on Rootschat? Seems this is new information, well spotted, thank you.
From Family Search
SCULCOATES
Charles Turner baptised 19 March 1797 Father is Charles Turner and Mother is Magdaline.
Sarah Turner baptised 21 December 1799 Father is Charles Turner and Mother is Maudlin.
Checked in my Selby Parish transcriptions to see if I can further 'belt and braces', the above and found:-
SELBY
16 July 1811 Charles Turner Son of Charles, Selby, Whitesmith. Drowned aged 14 and buried in the Church Yard.
Age 14 would give a birth of 1797, matching exactly the 1797 baptism at Sculcoates.
Charles Turner, Blacksmith married Maudland Hood at Selby (1794) and the baptism of their first child at Selby (1795), Charles Turner and Morland (nee Maudland Hood) have then been in Sculcoates for a few years, before returning back to Selby.
Leaves me with two questions:-
1) is it Charles Turner's work that took them there, or
2) is a Hood or Turner family member ill /dying, or a child orphaned?
Regards Mark
But looking through my notes, we still have a missing child baptism for Charles Turner and Maudland (nee Hood), aliases Morland / Magdaline / Maudlin / Mordland (Madelin also an accepted alias).
Claire, if you look in the Selby Register please, the Turners Sons and Daughters are numbered. In my notes I left a gap, to add baptisms of their THREE children.
Thanks Mark
Re Hood children burials 1772 to 1778 at Scarborough.
Seems many died, p.11 at Reply #93.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.93
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Hi children of Charles and Maudland
Elizabeth in 1795 ~ April 6 bapt. April 10 ( 1st daughter)
Charles ~ Sculcoates (1)
Sarah ~ " ?
Thomas in 1802 ~ bn Oct. 16 bapt. Oct. 17 ( 2nd son)
John in 1804 ~ bn July 17, bapt. July 19 ( third son )
Hannah in 1806 ~ bn Sept. 23 bapt 29 ( fourth daughter)
George in 1809 ~ bn Feb. 17, bapt. Feb. 20 ( fourth son)
Mary in 1810 ~ bn Aug. 19, bapt. Aug 19 ( fifth daughter)
Bapt. April 29th 1814 Selby Charles son of Charles and Maudland Turner ~ Whitesmith
Bapt. 23 March 1816 Selby, Frances Maria dau of Charles and Maud Turner ~ Whitesmith
So we have a missing daughter ? Born between 1795 - 1806
Possibly between the births of Sarah and Thomas which is three years
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Claire,
Purely based on earliest fact known on George Hood d 1845 Selby -1812 to 1815 George was a cooper- (his Workshop former R Gibson bankrupt cooper Wren lane Selby)
Mariner could be a cooper on ship (John Hood of Selby [Maudland's dad] or Richard Hood of Hull both mariners)
Hooper/Blacksmith/Whitesmith worked metal
Jenning Street Hood's Sculcoates.
Working on East coast theme
From W Hood Cooper in the Workhouse his dad Richard his sister Susannah
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From his daughter Susannah marriage to Jonas Brough 1858 (His dad William a Hooper & assist a Cooper) her dad Richard Hood was a mariner
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Feb 17 1817 -Richard Hood married Elizabeth Barret - in Sutton in Holderness
With his death age 1838 = born 1774 would make Richard Hood 43 at marriage suggesting he could have been a widower. ???
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maybe same Richard
Nov 29 1794 -Richard Hood married Jane Whiting- Alford, Lincoln, England
Richard son of William & Alice Hood - baptism 18 March 1774 Willoughby, Lincoln, England
your comments on
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Morning all,
I'll check into this family dobfarm - pity that marriage register didn't give grooms status. But it does have his signature - will check a few marriages out, see if he crops up anywhere else.
Right area again, same usage of family names and occupations, this family are definitely worth a look into :)
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Thank you, for the replies.
Hull History Centre catalogue
Registration of persons bound apprentice to freemen
Reference No: C BRG/9/108
2 September 1788
Apprentice: Edward Bouldram nephew of,
Parent: William Hood,
Parent's profession:-,
Parent's address: Lincolnshire,
Master's name: Michael Duckett,
Master's profession: cooper,
Master's address: Hull,
Witnesses: Christopher Huntington
Looks like William Hood was responsible for Edward Bouldram, who was apprenticed to a Hull, Cooper.
Mark
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William Hood master Cooper in Hull 1788
George Hood stated trade Cooper 1815 age 28- esti birth year circa 1784-1788 from all sources
Hull a days sail down (same one river with two names) rivers Ouse/Humber from Selby dependant on tides.
That is very interesting
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Bit of background for Edward Bouldram to try and link to William Hood
Died 1811 and buried Sculcoates 17 Apr 1811 aged 34 (bn1777) as Edward BOLDEROM
A Will held by the Borthwick Sept. 1811 as Edward BALDRAM
Married Hannah Barnett 1799 Hull ( not online) as Edward Baldrom
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Bit of background for Edward Bouldram to try and link to William Hood
Died 1811 and buried Sculcoates 17 Apr 1811 aged 34 (bn1777) as Edward BOLDEROM
A Will held by the Borthwick Sept. 1811 as Edward BALDRAM
Married Hannah Barnett 1799 Hull ( not online) as Edward Baldrom
Barrett/Barnett ???
Feb 17 1817 -Richard Hood married Elizabeth Barret - in Sutton in Holderness
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Gosh!!! I wish that 1799 marriage was online to check ~ surely that is too big of a coincidence dobfarm ;)
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Thomas BOLDRAM married Elizabeth HOOD 13 May 1761 Burton upon Stather, Lincolnshire
Witnesses: James Sewell & Wm Sai ??
1787 a Thomas Bouldram married a Sarah Driffield ~ witnessed by Wm Hood ~ possibly Thomas a son of the above, or father remarrying.
Can't see a baptism for Edward, but I feel Thomas and Elizabeth Hood are the parents ~ can only see two baptisms for the couple in Winterton ~ Frans. 1768 and William 1769
EDIT: BAPTISMS IN WINTERTON
William HOOD 23 Jan. 1730, son of Thomas & Frances
Elizabeth H bapt. 18 Sep 1734 as above.
Thomas H bapt. 9 Feb 1740
Possible marriage for William HOOD by Licence 1770 Winteringham 29 Nov 1770 to Ann WESTOBY (not online)
William HOOD died 26 Sept. 1807 buried 29 Sept. 1807 Winteringham aged 77. Note in register " of the parish of Holy Trinity Hull, late of Winteringham Yeoman."
A son William was born 1772 died same year. Wife Ann died 1775. both events Winterington.
So doesn't look like any offspring from this man.
His mother Frances also died in Winteringham 1775
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http://www.lincstothepast.com/Will---Hood--William/859210.record?pt=S
Will of William Hood of Kingston upon Hull 1810 held at Lincoln archives
http://www.lincstothepast.com/advanced-search/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.315
Jomot post #322 above link
George Hood 1704 Winterton
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Will---Hood--George/756183.record?pt=S
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Inventory---Hood--George--1-Jan-1704--------/672458.record?pt=T
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Thanks for the replies.
I've enquired about the Lincoln Consistory Court, 1810 Will, for William Hood of Kingston upon Hull (not viewable on Lincs to the Past sign-in).
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Will---Hood--William/859210.record?pt=S
I already have the Abstract of the Wills, including William Hood, Gentleman, of Kingston upon Hull, February 1808, downloaded from TNA, Kew.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=William%20Hood%20Yorkshire&_ep=William%20Hood&_cr=IR&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv
Regards Mark
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In Pm from Claire
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The Will for William Hood is also at the Borthwick : estate under £300
The reference to a George looks good, but there aren't many Hoods in Winterton
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Ref to George looks good - I agree.
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I already have the Abstract of the Wills, including William Hood, Gentleman, of Kingston upon Hull, February 1808, downloaded from TNA, Kew.
16th February 1808 under 300 l.
William Hood of the Town of Kingston upon Hull gent.
Thos Ashton of Kingston upon Hull afsd yeom & Edw'd Boldrom of same place cooper Exors.
Legatees
To Edw'd Boldrom, nepw 120 l.
To Wm Boldrom, do. ----- [nepw] 80 l & a silver pint.
To Eliz'th Ashton, niece, his best bed, sheets, blankets, quilt & furn. belon.g.
To sd Eliz'th Ashton & Edw'd Boldrom, niece and nepw The rems of his household goods, furn. & linen
Sev'l small bequests [relationship and description left blank]
To sd Thos Ashton & Edw'd Boldrom nep's. The Residue of his money sec.s for money goods chattels psnal est. & effects whats'r after paym't of his debts legs & fun'l expenses.
No other Hood, mentioned.
Mark
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William Hood as in one of the prior posts was one of three children to Thomas and Frances
William we have sorted.
Elizabeth married Mr Boldram
Thomas the younger sibling born 1740 died in c1746.
Will have a look at this George dobfarm :)
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Wonder what happened to Thomas occupation wise
Thomas Hood bapt 09 Feb 1740
WINTERTON,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
Father's Name Thomas Hood
Mother's Name Frances
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No idea what Thomas did for a living ~ baptism's of the children didn't give any other detail. I can't find a marriage for Thomas and Frances either, to check for possible other family etc.
Thomas was buried in Winterton in 1763 - no probate record that I can see on F M P, Frances his wife must have moved to Winteringham to be with son William, where she died in 1775
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Thank you.
Ordered and awaiting receipt of Hannah Nuby's Original Probate bundle, Snaith, June 1839 (Prog.), to see what it says.
A thought which keeps coming to mind ...
Chester Newby, in effect gave surety in the Sum of £200 in 1815! I would have thought Chester Newby, Miller and George Hood must have known each other very, very well.
Regards Mark
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Not necessarily so: as George or his parents could have put the money up but just need another male name of good standing or trader to act as bondsman. In some cases the bondsman was later the best man at the wedding as part of his duties as best man protocol to the wedding licence.
My niece got married by an archbishop special wedding licence with a mountain of paperwork, neither of them were church goers, had lived in sin for 6 years before, my niece had with other chaps before that and the biggest load of twaddle ;D of paper pushing I have ever known.
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Something I recall my Grandmother (Hood) saying as a young man was that a forename had been taken from previous Hood generations.
I have tried this with my father's names and I have tried it with my Grandfather's and his brother's forenames and her claim makes no sense at all.
However, if I go back to the boys names of my 2 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood (born Selby 1847, dying at 16 De Montfort Street, Leicester, in 1885) it will give in the following order:-
George (my 2 x Gt. G. Commercial Traveller & Leather Merchant & Victualler);
John (my 3 x Gt. G., the Tanner of Selby);
George (my 4 x Gt. G. married 1815 Selby); and his mystery father as
William or Herbert Hood?
I've set out all the known children of my 2 x Gt. Grandparents George Hood and Cecilia ...
Children of George Hood (d.1885 Leicester, Son of the Late John Hood of Selby, Tanner) and Cecilia Hood nee Westley
Edith Mary Hood, born 25 Sep 1875, Lorraine Villa, The Fields, Wigston, Blaby, Leicestershire,
Baptised Selby Abbey 26 Dec 1875.
George Percy Hood, Abode Leicester,
Baptised Selby Abbey 17 Jun 1877.
George Percy Hood, buried Belgrave, Leicester, 14 Aug 1877, Abode Belgrave, Age 6 months.
John Sidney Hood, born 24 Aug 1878 at Melton Road, Belgrave.
Baptised Selby Abbey 15 September 1878, Abode Belgrave.
Family information is that John Sidney Hood went with Brother to South Africa and joined the South African Infantry. The Haute Avesnes British Cemetery (New), Report gives 2 Bn South African Inf. No. 4556 Cpl S. Hoods [later amended to Hood]. Family information refers to an action near Arras 12 April 1917, he was removed and died at a Field Hospital. CWGC gives death 14 Apr 1917, age 38, Son of the late George and Cecilia Hood of Leicester
Next of Kin, Miss Edith Hood, 143 Rockingham Road, Kettering, Northants.
Henry George Hood, born 13 Jul 1880 Carlton Hotel, 23 Granby Street, Leicester, Father George Hood, Licensed Victualler.
Henry George Hood, of 13 Meyrick Road, Stafford, England, died 31 Oct 1943. Widow was Jean Hood (according to family information after leaving South Africa Henry George Hood went to Australia and married Jean).
Grace Cecila Hood, born 26 Mar 1882, at 17 New Walk, Leicester.
Married George Taylor, Manager of Clothiers Shop, (Grace Cecilia Taylor).
William Herbert Hood, born 9 Feb 1884, at 17 New Walk, Leicester.
Married. Died 1942 in Leicestershire.
I am now wondering if the other forenames Percy; Sidney; Henry and one of the two others have come from Cecilia's (the mother's side) of the family.
Mark
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http://www.lincstothepast.com/Will---Hood--William/859210.record?pt=S
Will of William Hood of Kingston upon Hull 1810 held at Lincoln archives
http://www.lincstothepast.com/advanced-search/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.315
Jomot post #322 above link
George Hood 1704 Winterton
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Will---Hood--George/756183.record?pt=S
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Inventory---Hood--George--1-Jan-1704--------/672458.record?pt=T
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm.
This 1810 Will of William Hood of Kingston upon Hull you have found, was interestingly proved in the Lincoln Consistory Court.
The three I already have for William are Abstracts of the Wills of:-
William Hood of Heslington, proved 1807;
William Hood of Hull proved 1808 (York);
William Hood of Faceby 1811.
Seems the 1810 LCC William Hood of Hull, Will, you have found is probably a different Will according to the Proved date.
It is cheaper for me to order a Copy, than pay for research time according to their email reply (which has omitted to send me an Order form).
So emailed back, saying I'd like to order a copy.
Regards Mark
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Hi
Cockins of Luddington Lincs, have been touched on before by Jomot, but maybe worth a second look.
In trying to find something about the Thomas C in your post I came across this marriage by Licence.
Thomas Cockin (aged 24 and of Luddington, Lincs.) and Margrit CHESTER (18 a minor of Hatfield) married at Hatfield 17 Aug. 1796
Both signed
Witnesses: Mary Hutton, Thomas Chester and Robt. Cockin
Wonder if there is a family link with Chester Newby's mother Hannah Newby nee Chester ?
If the burial of Hannah I've found is the correct one in 1839, her entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY of Carlton, Snaith Yorks. .... Wm Mitton, Stamford Lincoln.
William Mitton bn Snaith 1789 son of Henry & Mary Mitton nee Eadon.
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When Richard Gibson married Eleanor Wainwright in 1792 one of the witnesses was a RICHARD GOLTON a tailor ( son of a Richard Golton of Wistow). Richard Golton (the witness) had a son Richard in 1779 who married an Elizabeth Perkin ( father Thomas Perkin of Berwick) c1803.
In 1812 Richard GOULTON bn 1779 was buried in Selby , a ELIZABETH GOLTON a widow married CHESTER NEWBY 1814
claire
Other QUOTES
On George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bond, it was signed by:-
George Hood and Chester Newby of Selby, a miller.
Earlier reply #160 from Goughy 26 October 2015
Chester Newby
Born in Whitley Bridge 1790 Parents Thomas and Hannah Newby (nee Chester)
Married Elizabeth Goulton 30 Jan 1814 (Chester of Snaith Parish - Elizabeth Selby Parish
Re-married 1841 in Rawcliffe, Goole to Mary Ann Pease - residence at time of marriage Barlow
1841 Census residence Barlow
1851 Census visitor Barlow
Died 25 Sept 1859 Selby District
Probate Calendar describes him as Gentleman of Snaith
Goughy
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Hannah Newby, Death Certificate (alias Hannah Nuby in Probate Register)
Registration District SELBY
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Snaith in the County of York
Fourteenth of April 1839 At Carlton
HANNAH NEWBY
Female
Age 77
Widow of Thomas Newby Farmer
Age & Debility
Informant The Mark of X HANNAH PRECIOUS Carlton Present at the Death
Registered Seventeenth of April 1839
Thomas Perkins Registrar
Confirms Widow of Thomas Newby, Farmer, was Hannah Newby [nee Chester].
Regards Mark
Regarding William Mitton of Stamford, Lincs, Hannah Newby's Will just says that Mitton was Executor AND appointed as Trustee to sell Newby's property, collect in her money and divide it up as stated in Newby's Will.
Dated 4th March 1836.
Will of Mrs Hannah Nuby of Carlton in the County of York Widow.
Shearburn, Snaith [Solicitor?]
Edmund Russell Commissioner [added at top of first page]
… Will of Hannah Nuby of Carlton in the Parish of Snaith and County of York Widow and relict of Thomas Nuby late of the same place Yeoman deceased …
I give devise and bequeath unto William Mitton late of Selby in the County of York, but now of Stamford in the County of Lincoln Gentleman his heirs Executors administrators and assigns All my Freehold and Copyhold Lands Tenements hereditaments and real Estates situate at Carlton aforesaid and elsewhere; and also all my ready monies, Securities for money personal Estate and Effects of any nature or kind soever Upon the Trusts following … divide the residue of the said monies into Eight equal parts or shares, and pay one Eighth part or share thereof unto and equally amongst all the children of my deceased Daughter Jane Harrison that shall be living at the time of my decease ; one other Eight part thereof to my Son William; One other Eighth part thereof to my Son Chester; One other Eighth part thereof to my Daughter Elizabeth; One other Eighth part thereof to my Daughter Esther; one other Eighth part thereof to my Daughter Hannah; one other Eighth part thereof to my Daughter Mary, and the remaining Eighth part thereof unto my Daughter Ann to whom I respectively give and bequeath the same; …
and I constitute and appoint the said William Mitton Executor Sole Executor of this my last Will and Testament; …
The mark and seal of Hannah Nuby
Witnesses
John Gardiner
Thomas Himsworth
Thomas Whitaker
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Hello
On page 9 of this thread, there are two images from the 1839 Selby Rate book. Relevant image below.
One of the 1839 images indicates that George Hood was one of the occupiers of part of the Anchor Inn, Church Hill, Selby, premises, owned by the Batman's [Bateman's?] Executors in 1839.
There is some information here (p.35 on another thread, from link below) how the Bateman's fit in to the Wilkinson's and Hood's and Dobsons ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.306
Anchor Inn, Selby
1822 Baines Directory
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Selby/Selby22Dry.html
Anchor, Ann Bateman, Church Hill
Been searching in the newspapers "Anchor Inn" and found:-
1) 3 July 1828 Leeds Intelligencer an Edward Wilkinson, aged 78 of the Anchor Inn, Selby, has died.
Is this Edward Wilkinson, also linked to the same John and Mary Wilkinson who also have the Mary Ellen Hood born Selby links in the Census to Mary Ann Bateman (married Thomas Duckworth Dobson), which could explain George Hood's link as an occupier to part of the Anchor Inn premises?
Or
2) However, three years before 1839, in 1836, there was a Mr Fowler, Anchor Inn, Church Hill near Selby, when it was offered to Let.
Mr Fowler may have been a Tenant himself, simply sub-letting the Anchor Inn, or does Mr Fowler also have links please, to either the:-
a) Bateman's or
b) does Fowler also have a link to Hood?
Thanks Mark
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Two Edward Wilkinson births c1750
Edward W son of William bapt. 1750 Kellington
Edward W son of James (NC baptism) in Cleckheaton ( born Birstall 1752.
Edward Wilkinson aged 29 married Margaret Twist 1781 Selby by licence.
One of the baptisms of the Bateman children list 'Edward Wilkinson, Innkeeper' as father of Mary Bateman nee Wilkinson.
So seems likely given ages and occupation from the records found that Edward W that died in 1828 is the man above.
Quick look at Fowler - can see a birth in Caistor, Lincs of a Bateman Fowler in 1896 - a possible link ?
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Two Edward Wilkinson births c1750
Edward W son of William bapt. 1750 Kellington
Edward W son of James (NC baptism) in Cleckheaton ( born Birstall 1752.
Edward Wilkinson aged 29 married Margaret Twist 1781 Selby by licence.
One of the baptisms of the Bateman children list 'Edward Wilkinson, Innkeeper' as father of Mary Bateman nee Wilkinson.
So seems likely given ages and occupation from the records found that Edward W that died in 1828 is the man above.
Quick look at Fowler - can see a birth in Caistor, Lincs of a Bateman Fowler in 1896 - a possible link ?
Thanks Claire
Regarding the Anchor Inn, Church Hill, Selby, there was a Bateman-Wilkinson family link, from your comment ...
One of the baptisms of the Bateman children list 'Edward Wilkinson, Innkeeper' as father of Mary Bateman nee Wilkinson.
More confirmation it seems of a Bateman - Wilkinson link and we know George Hood's Son James Hood and wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel) and Mary Ellen Hood (born Selby) were linked, to Wilkinson and Mary Ann Bateman.
Mainly Reply #311.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.311
Probably doesn't help with George Hood.
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Kellington is closer to Knottingley and Whitley, than Selby.
Samuel Hirst diaries (of Kellington, born Cridling Stubbs) mention a George Hood.
George Hood in the Knottingley Land Tax of 1813, occupying a property of George Wilkinson.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.0
Chester Newby 1815 Hood=Russell, Marriage Bondsman, born Whitley / Kellington.
I was also just wondering if George Hood, Knottingley, (if the same George as George Hood of Selby), his Son James & Sarah Hood (nee Arundel) might be linked twice (separately) to the Wilkinsons?
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The transcribed Register of Manfield, Yorkshire, has a Ralph Hood & Elizabeth Fowler 29 November 1761, but the transcription has the signature Ralph Wood, so it is unclear if the marriage is Hood or Wood.
https://archive.org/stream/parishregisterof00manf
Regards Mark
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The Dades registers for Edward Wilkinsons children also confirm his father as William (Innholder of Selby) and by Jane his wife.
I'm checking again for any birth of Edward in Selby - I can't see one.
The baptism in Kellington 1750 list parent abode as Whitley.
He also has a brother born 1748 called William
I cannot see a marriage for William & Jane - there are some but not sure of the geography to be honest
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The image of the marriage is online and Ralph signed his own name - it is certainly HOOD by my reckoning.
Can't add the image as yet, but will do so later unless someone else see's this post.
Marriage by licence was witnessed by what looks like church officials.
EDIT: Looks like Ralph H's first wife died - in Feb. 1764 he was getting married again to a Mary Bussey - again by licence and with consent of parents.
Followed by two children - John bn March 1765 and Mary bapt. March 1766
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Thanks Claire
Mainly Reply # 311 and on that thread page 307 onward ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.311
"Quote from: Goughy on Sunday 25 December 16 21:18 GMT (UK)
Mary Ann Bateman in 1851 census is living with her aunt Nancy Wilkinson, so must be connected via Sarah Arundell's adopted Wilkinson family i.e. not via the Hood family
John Bateman, Sailor married Mary Wilkinson 1805 Selby Abbey. He then re-marries (as a widower) to Jane Wilkinson in York in 1813 "
End of Quote.
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According to todays posts on this thread, Reply # 364 & 365 (some also quoting previous) it seems there are two Bateman - Wilkinson links.
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Anchor Inn, Church Hill, Selby
Ann Bateman 1822 (Baines Directory)
Edward Wilkinson, aged 78, 1828 (Newspaper Obit)
George Hood, one of the occupiers in 1839 (Selby Rate Book)
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Then a Geo Hood (possibly the same George as George Hood of Selby) occupier of a Knottingley property in 1813, Proprietor George Wilkinson.
Regards Mark
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Nancy is a diminutive of 'Ann'
- Nancy bn Selby 1788 as per census.
From Selby registers
ANN: daughter of Edward Wilkinson Innholder of Selby - son of William Innholder and Jane his wife : bn 18 Sept. Bapt. 22 Sept. 1787
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George Wilkinson in Knottingley - we should be trying to find out his background.
EDIT : Can somebody just briefly put down or tell me which Wilkinson is related by marriage to Sarah Arundal ? Are they linked to the Wilkinsons in my prior posts ?
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George Wilkinson in Knottingley - we should be trying to find out his background.
Claire, this is what I'm thinking.
Obviously Sarah Hood (nee Arundel) at Selby and daughter had links to Wilkinson, and Bateman.
Also dobfarm had previously found a Fred Bateman born Thorne, Border, with Charles Hood born Selby, in the 1901 Census at Castleford, so possibly another, related.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X95V-QP1
I agree, did a Hood know the same Wilkinsons previously and who really was George Wilkinson of Knottingley in 1813 (Geo Hood, Occupier)?
EDIT:
Bit here (Initial post) ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.0
There was a George Wilkinson, Knottingley, a Corn and Flour Dealer of Racca Green, & Shop Keeper of Racca Green.
Baines Directory 1822.
In the 1861 Ousegate, Selby Census
Mary Wilkinson Head, wid.
James Hood, Son in Law
Sarah Hood ...
Mary E Hood ... [In 1871 Mary Ellen Hood was Cousin to Thomas D Dobson Head (Thos Duckworth Dobson had married Mary Ann Bateman) Bowling, Bradford, Census]
Mark
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EDIT : Can somebody just briefly put down or tell me which Wilkinson is related by marriage to Sarah Arundal ? Are they linked to the Wilkinsons in my prior posts ?
In 1851, Sarah's mum Mary Arundell is with husband John Wilkinson - stone agent (parents Edward Wilkinson and Margaret Twist) and Sarah is with them
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Thank you Goughy :)
Maybe something to work with
Knottingley burials:
Elizabeth Wilkinson wife of George Wilkinson (labr.) buried 3rd October 1817 aged 56.
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Thanks Goughy and Claire
Incidentally if you find John Wilkinson in the 1841 Selby Census at the Ship Yard, you'll also find some other Wilkinsons, Batemans (a Mary Bateman ONLY 8 years old and described as being of IND[EPENDENT] means) and George Gouldsbrough, a Sailmaker all at the Ship Yard, Selby, adjacent on same 1841 Census page.
The Will of Thomas Gouldsbrough (died 1840) who was married to Mary Russell, Will extracts recently put on Rootschat indicated he also owned property and a Crane at the Ship Yard, Selby and also Dwellings at Knottingley. (John Goldsbrough, Sailmaker of Knottingley, 1809 Abstract of Will, refers to a Thos Goldsbrough £50, James Goldsbrough, Son of Knottingley the real estate at Knottingley and also others named).
Regarding the 1817 George Wilkinson burial, how long did George Wilkinson appear for as Proprietor, in the Knottingley Land Tax, after 1813?
Mark
For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
So...... the Cook and Pearson names are looking as though they are from GH's side of the family (unless they went totally off-piste!).
Naming children from grandparents, particularly female surnames, etc is quite common and still goes on today. Usually, the female surnames point research "in the right" direction, but hey ho in the case of GH who knows!!
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Signatures of Ralph Hood
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Hi
Thanks Claire, signatures look like Hood.
Anything else on that George Wilkinson of Knottingley, please? Land tax scans 1812 & 1813 in thread starter:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.0
Regards Mark
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Hi
George Wilkinson appears in the Land Tax records from 1795 - 1820. Looks like a Mr Spence took over the premises as the same lodger is there ( Mr Beaumont, and a Thos. Greenwood - before this it was a William Greenwood.
A George Wilkinson has children in Knottingley from 1789 - a William & a John.
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Thanks Claire & Goughy
Hopefully, in two weeks time, we'll have found something in the Petre of Dunkenhalgh records (not catalogued), about George Hood (which include unspecified records and dates from York / Selby).
I learn today that some records spanning 1581 to 1852 were found on the floor of the Petre Estate Office, so I don't know if the Estate Office was vandalised or not. There seems to be three Accessions, two under DDPT (1985 & 1998 dates) and one under DDX 1386 at Preston, Lancashire Archives.
1823
Got parts of a Selby Survey of 1823 which clearly indicate George Hood was renting a House & c., Wren Lane, Selby, from an Hon. Edward Petre. George Hood purchased his premises and those of John Green in Wren Lane end, Selby, probably at the 1835 Auction (Memorial Registered, Wakefield 1836).
John Green, is understood to be of a Dissenting faith. His Daughter later married at the Independent Chapel, Selby.
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Seems that Thomas Gouldsbrough originally rented the Ship Yard, Selby, premises from Lord Petre, so he must have purchased his premises too, according to his Will (1840).
Some were called Pearson & Littlewood's Cottages.
Regards Mark
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Well I looked at that Pigots Directory again - John Greaves operating from the same place as George Wilkinson in Knottingley - checked Mr Greaves against the Land Tax records for Knottingley ( which only appear upto 1832) - and there was George Wilkinson - upto and including 1832.
He hadn't been indexed by Anc*
EDIT: I found the burial of a son of his called George too in 1808 aged 22 in the Knottingley PR's ~ but he was buried at Womersley and again a son William in Knottingley records buried at Womersley in 1805 aged 15yrs.
In 1834 there is a George Wilkinson buried at Womersley 10 July at St Martins. Aged 78 ( birthyear c1756) ~ this looks likely to be him, don't you think ?
He had a daughter Elizabeth bn 1791 in Pontefract records ~ states he was from Knottingley.
A son John in 1789 Knottingley
A daughter Jane in 1793 at Womersley father George of Criddling Stubbs his wife Elizabeth daughter of Samuel HUNT from Belton Lincolnshire
Which led me to George and Elizabeths marriage in Fishlake 9 May 1784 Both resident in the parish. He was 27 she was 21.
He signed, she left her mark
Witnesses: Richard FRANCE and William WEBSTER
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A possible baptism for George W given the area
Carlton by Snaith St Lawrence on 23 Jan 1756 ( actually 1757 looking at the image) - George son of William Wilkinson.
A sister JANE born 1760 same place.
Baptism for Elizabeth Hunt in Belton in Axholme, Lincs 25 Sep 1760 dau. of Samuel Hunt and Mary.
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Thank you Claire for the Wilkinson of Knottingley links.
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I'm pinning my hopes on the Petre of Dunkenhalgh documents, to perhaps give an origin for George Hood, but at the time of sale of the Wren Lane, Selby premises (1835/1836) to George Hood, it said that the Hon. Edward Robert Petre was of Stapleton Park (so expect most of the documents would have been there).
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For the benefit of other Hood Yorkshire researchers ...
Rough notes from the - Will of Richard Hood late of Little Habton Parish of Kirby Misperton, County of York, Gentleman 3d December 1802
Rydall
Daughter ... Hannah the Wife of John Liddell ...
Hereditaments and Premises in Pickering County of York ...
Yearly sum ... Eleven pounds chargeable out of the Hereditaments and Premises at Old Malton ...
newly erected Messuage with garth ... outbuildings ... being within the Town Township precincts and Territories of Pickering ...
my Grandson John Liddell ...
Remainder of my Real Estate situate at Old Malton ...
Grandson Richard Liddell ...
Grandson Richard Liddell Sole Executor ...
Will was written 1790 and witnessed by Robt Rutter Rob't Boulton Junr R[?] Smithson.
Sworn Richard Liddell Nov 27th 1802
Pass'd and Seal 3rd Decr 1802
Codicil ... to will dated ... 1790
To Grandson John Liddell my Messuage and all my Lands situate in Pickering and have charged my allotment in the Low Carr in Pickering with the payment of One hundred and forty pounds and interest to John Marshall of Pickering Gentleman on Mortgage and which sum I have borrowed for the use of my said Grandson John Liddell ...
[reference to which premises shall] remain solely liable to the payment and discharge ...
Codicil date Twelfth November 1799
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Edith Mary Hood, born 25 Sep 1875, Lorraine Villa, The Fields, Wigston, Blaby, Leicestershire,
Baptised Selby Abbey 26 Dec 1875.
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Miss Edith Hood, 143 Rockingham Road, Kettering, Northants. [Given as next of kin in 1917 when her Brother (and also the Son of the Late George Hood d. 1885), was killed.]
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Grace Cecila Hood, born 26 Mar 1882, at 17 New Walk, Leicester.
Married George Taylor, Manager of Clothiers Shop, (Grace Cecilia Taylor).
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Mark
Hello
The above (in quote) were two Sisters of my Gt Grandfather and I am wondering if anyone has anymore details (besides the 1911 Census), please?
Seems my view of the 1939 was restricted, no address and no other persons names in the same Household.
Grace Cecilia Hood (aged 27) married George Taylor (aged 23) in December 1910 at St Andrews Church Kettering, to become Grace Cecilia Taylor, (George Taylor, a Bachelor of Leicester and she was a Spinster from Kettering).
1939: Grace C Taylor, Lincoln C.B. Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), but 1884 birth does not tally, with 1882.
June Qtr, 1945, Grace Cecilia Taylor, aged 63, Doncaster Registration District, 9C, page 702 [this would tally with a Birth of 1882, assuming she didn't remarry as a Widow].
1939: Edith M Hood, Doncaster C.B. Birth 1875.
Because Doncaster, back in Yorkshire, is showing up as a possible place 1939 - 1945 for the two Sisters of my late Gt. Grandfather, I wanted to know if any more details were available online (full name, burial/s, other Hood or Taylor in same household, address), please?
I'll probably purchase the 1945 Death Certificate of one, which might be a possible match?
Regards Mark
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Thank you Claire for the Wilkinson of Knottingley links.
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I'm pinning my hopes on the Petre of Dunkenhalgh documents, to perhaps give an origin for George Hood, but at the time of sale of the Wren Lane, Selby premises (1835/1836) to George Hood, it said that the Hon. Edward Robert Petre was of Stapleton Park (so expect most of the documents would have been there).
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For the benefit of other Hood Yorkshire researchers ...
Rough notes from the - Will of Richard Hood late of Little Habton Parish of Kirby Misperton, County of York, Gentleman 3d December 1802
Rydall
Daughter ... Hannah the Wife of John Liddell ...
Hereditaments and Premises in Pickering County of York ...
Yearly sum ... Eleven pounds chargeable out of the Hereditaments and Premises at Old Malton ...
newly erected Messuage with garth ... outbuildings ... being within the Town Township precincts and Territories of Pickering ...
my Grandson John Liddell ...
Remainder of my Real Estate situate at Old Malton ...
Grandson Richard Liddell ...
Grandson Richard Liddell Sole Executor ...
Will was written 1790 and witnessed by Robt Rutter Rob't Boulton Junr R[?] Smithson.
Sworn Richard Liddell Nov 27th 1802
Pass'd and Seal 3rd Decr 1802
Codicil ... to will dated ... 1790
To Grandson John Liddell my Messuage and all my Lands situate in Pickering and have charged my allotment in the Low Carr in Pickering with the payment of One hundred and forty pounds and interest to John Marshall of Pickering Gentleman on Mortgage and which sum I have borrowed for the use of my said Grandson John Liddell ...
[reference to which premises shall] remain solely liable to the payment and discharge ...
Codicil date Twelfth November 1799
Something for your back burner Mark
1782 to 1784
•Liddell J. publican, ſun,(sun) Spicer-lane (Claire spotted it 2016)
•Spencer and Liddel, fruit-dealers, Cutter's entry, Cloſe.
•Spencer Rob. cooper and ſalmon-pickler, Side f.
http://ota.ox.ac.uk/text/5466.html
1778
Liddell Jof (s)' Ship inn Spicer Lane
Spencer Rob't - Side F - Cooper
https://archive.org/stream/firstnewcastledi00whit#page/40/mode/1up
Rob't Spencer a cooper 1784 (- widow Eliz Leppington -Nee Spencer-later wife of John Hood ) GH bapt 1786 father John Hood of same place.
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Thanks dobfarm
According to two other Wills around this period, a Hood at Malton is linked to a Hood at Scarborough (and vice versa).
Unchecked, but expect you have seen it ...
Hannah Hood and John Liddell, York, 16 November 1761.
Hannah Hood and John Liddel, Kirby Misperton, 17 November 1761.
York Herald, 16 July 1831
On Monday the 11th inst. at Little Habton, in this county, in the 67th year of his age, Mr. Richard Liddell, farmer and grazier. ... husband, an affectionate father, ...
By 1840 a Richard Liddell of Habton, near Malton, was in money trouble.
In 1841 Richard Liddell of Habton, near Malton was again brought up, and remanded for 15 months from the date of the vesting order, for making away with his property.
I managed to buy three Yorkshire Deeds (which were part of a larger collection), which indicate that in 1760 Richard Hood was of Great Habton and was one of the parties holding lands at Slingsby in Trust for Thomas and Mary Jackson.
I put my best price in for the Indenture Quadripartite 1767 doc, but was outbid on that one ???
Some lands at Slingsby transferred to the Peacocks of Nunnington / Stonegrave and then it seems in 1781 to Chris'r Spink (1780s). Two more surnames that crop up in the William Hood of Selby and Jane Hood (nee Casson) of Selby & Brayton papers (Peacock Estate and Spink was their Solicitor regarding Byefield, Selby).
Regards Mark
EDITED: regarding Richard Hood, it seems he was one of the parties holding lands at Slingsby in Trust for Thomas and wife Mary Jackson.
A Thomas Jackson in the document was of West Nifs [West Ness] County of York.
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Because Doncaster, back in Yorkshire, is showing up as a possible place 1939 - 1945 for the two Sisters of my late Gt. Grandfather, I wanted to know if any more details were available online (full name, burial/s, other Hood or Taylor in same household, address), please?
Although we can't do 1939 look-ups for copyright reasons, in the 1939 West Yorkshire Electoral Register living at 42 The Grove, Doncaster is:
TAYLOR Basil Hood
TAYLOR George
TAYLOR Grace Cecilia
Edith Mary Hood was living at 2 Hillcrest Road, Doncaster (spinster retired school mistress) when she died 15 December 1959 Executor to Will John Herbert Redvers Hood, Solicitor
Basil Hood Taylor was living at 2 Hillcrest Road, Doncaster died 13 April 1967 Executors Barclays Bank
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Because Doncaster, back in Yorkshire, is showing up as a possible place 1939 - 1945 for the two Sisters of my late Gt. Grandfather, I wanted to know if any more details were available online (full name, burial/s, other Hood or Taylor in same household, address), please?
Although we can't do 1939 look-ups for copyright reasons, in the 1939 West Yorkshire Electoral Register living at 42 The Grove, Doncaster is:
TAYLOR Basil Hood
TAYLOR George
TAYLOR Grace Cecilia
Edith Mary Hood was living at 2 Hillcrest Road, Doncaster (spinster retired school mistress) when she died 15 December 1959 Executor to Will John Herbert Redvers Hood, Solicitor
Basil Hood Taylor was living at 2 Hillcrest Road, Doncaster died 13 April 1967 Executors Barclays Bank
Thank you Goughy
Edith Mary Hood is definitely the right one mentioning Jack's names, and I also know she was a Teacher too.
I also have additional confirmation that I have the correct Grace Cecilia Taylor too (same addresses, also when Basil was born, his mother was nee Hood).
Regards Mark
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Hopefully, in two weeks time, we'll have found something in the Petre of Dunkenhalgh records (not catalogued), about George Hood (which include unspecified records and dates from York / Selby).
It was worth a check, but sadly can confirm this large collection of Petre DDPt records mainly relate to Lancashire. Deposited by Captain R. C. Petre of Tunworth Down, Basingstoke, Hants. Three accessions in 1951 and 1955.
A Petre family member must have died circa 1800 and Petre in Lancashire must have assisted with the Petre Yorkshire Estates at and surrounding Selby, for a few years.
There were just two thin Yorkshire Accounts Books (with references to the Selby area) with names and their amounts owed to about 1807 (amongst 7 archive boxes containing early 19th Century Lancashire Accounts), but obviously from the short lists of names of Yorkshire & Selby Tenants, not all Tenants were listed. There were a few notes of expenses and disbursements up to about 1818 mentioning Selby.
In DDPt 1 / Box 16 ) Selby and various places around Selby where
In DDPt 30 / Box 6 ) Lord Petre held Manors or had Tenants
In the book in DDPt 30 / Box 6 1801 - 1802 the following places were mentioned:-
Selby, folio 2
Hambleton
Barlby Bank
Selby, folio 3
Brayton Thorp & Burton folio 4
Hambleton
Carlton
Hillam
Monkfrystone
Cowthorp
Selby and many of the above places near to Selby were also noted in the Petre / Selby collection in Copyhold Estate records (Hull History Centre).
In DDPt 30 / Box 4 Misc. Rentals (numerous in bundles)
Lancs 1790 & 1789 (folded document). There were some summary money totals only, for Selby, Gateford & Burton, written on the outer of a folded document.
No Gibson or Hood mentioned.
Regards Mark
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Amongst the collection of DDPt Petre Lancashire Accounts seen, were also the Accounts of Paythorn and Craven in Yorkshire.
Something with names and ages recorded (which may be of use to other Family Historians) was in:-
DDPt 30. / Box 8
An Account of the number and names of the Lives living with their ages in the different Leases Granted by the Rt. Hon. Lady Stourton on her Lancashire Estates and also Paythorn and Craven in Yorkshire. Taken in ... 1781.
DDPt 22. (paper catalogue reference, not seen) listed Paythorn in Craven, Co. of York, Call Book (nearest date to my interest was 1786 - 1794).
The above is not exhaustive, but just the odd quick note made, whilst looking for Selby items.
DDPt 45. VARIOUS COUNTIES (I noted the two of interest to me, there were others)
Petre under YORK
Selby and Thorpe Willoughby 1612 - 1687.
Petre under WARWICK
Chulverscoton & Potters Coton 1634 [Chilvers Coton]
Nuneaton 1660.
Throkudton n.d.
DDPt 23/126
There was a Draft Schedule of Deeds & Documents belonging to Henry Petre Esq in the poss'on of Mr Leo'd Hicks of Grays Inn August 1829
(I noted it, as a Jane Hood of Brandenburg House, wrote complaining of the Queen's treatment to various persons, including the Earl Marshal of England.)
Listing various Indentures between 1788 to 1829. One document of 1822 referred to the Most Noble Bernard Edward Duke of Norfolk thereof Earl Marshal of England and Henry Howard Esq.
Regards Mark
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When George Hood purchased his premises and those of John Green in Wren Lane, Selby, in 1835 the sellers are listed as:-
Right Honorable William Henry Francis Lord Petre and the
Honourable Henry Charles Howard Earl of Surrey and the
Honourable Edward Robert Petre of Stapleton Park in the County of York, but now of Brussels.*
* When looking for the Estate Records of the Hon. Edward Petre / Edward Robert Petre of Stapleton Park, near Pontefract, it would seem that these documents could of possibly been destroyed, as it is claimed (unverified source) that Stapleton Park was sold as early as 1833 to Mr Barton.
This was John Watson Barton of Stapleton.
The Revd Charles Augustus Hope, appointed by Order in Chancery, 29 May 1876, to account for the rents and profits of the real estates of John Watson Barton, testator named in pleadings Barton v Barton.
One Archive listing surviving Hope Barton records including Stapleton, are at Lincolnshire Archives, but no reference to records of Petre.
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplaySearchResults.aspx?oid=699630&mode=c
Because three individuals were involved in the sale of premises at Wren Lane, Selby, it could mean documentation of Wren Lane, Selby, mentioning George Hood, is in another collection.
Essex Archives who hold some Petre documents, say they don't have anything to help me.
I'll keep looking, but what was interesting, was that the Roger Hood of Selby, 1727 Will, mentioning property and an Orchard at Ouzegate, Selby (Ousegate, Selby) turned up in the Howard-Vyse collection. I also have a copy of the Probate Bundle (online), too.
I had a paid search done, to try and trace a possible devolution of this Ousegate, Selby, property using the named beneficiaries (married sisters of Roger Hood). One person mentioned in the Will coincidentally lived at Wren Lane, Selby. However, the answer to me seemed inconclusive and it left me with the feeling of a Howard link regarding Hood's property.
Researchers traced the reference to another Will, but there is no such Will listed in the Yorkshire Probate Register, another mystery.
Like, the origin of Jane Hood buried Selby 1803 aged 65, the Roger Hood of Selby property devolution is another Hood of Selby mystery.
Regards Mark
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Searching 'William Henry Francis Petre', one of the owners of the Petre property sold to George Hood in Wren Lane, Selby is giving:-
Ingatestone, Essex, alias Ging Petre (Ginge Petre mentioned in the Lancashire collection).
Thorndon Hall / Thorndon Park, Ingrave, Essex and also known as the Manor of West Horndon.
Also reference to Walmesley in the Lancashire Petre docs.
This is giving Essex Archives, also Devon Archives is showing Petre records:-
Essex Archives - D/DP T329
Deeds of Walmsley family property in Surrey, Yorkshire and Lancashire
Manor of Burstow, alias Burstowe Lodge, in Burstow, Surrey; manor of Colthorpe and Cowthrop Hall in Cowthorpe; manors of Paithorne, Selby, Brayton, Thorpe, Fryston and Hillam, Wilshoppe alias Wilsthroppe and Tockwith; and house and land in Tockwith, Bilton, all in Yorkshire; and Goosnargh Mill at Goosnargh, Lancashire.
Dates 1427 - 1796
A bit too early.
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John Hood [my 3 x Gt. Grandfather] at a Selby Dinner, is mentioned as one of those giving a Toast to the new Lord of the Selby Tenantry, Lord and Lady Londesborough.
An article just found indicates that Lord Londesborough has acquired the remaining Petre Estate at Selby.
If Londesborough acquired the Selby Estate records along with the remaining Manor of Selby Estate, the record collections of Lord Londesborough (one at Hull History Centre) might hold something, for 1806 to 1815.
http://www.hull.ac.uk/arc/collection/landedfamilyandestatepapers/londesborough.html
refers to Medieval records.
Last year we could only find tucked away in a Manor of Selby Court Roll, the later Hoods Admission to the Manor of Selby, in respect of Byfield, Selby, dated 21st January 1842.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6015305#msg6015305
Petre collections
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F24186
Regards Mark
Extracts of the images of 1823 featured on this thread (previous page) were found at the Selby rubbish dump in 1939.
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My Sister's Daughter (Niece's) DNA is apparently a close link to HUTCHINS and SPENCER and a lady is already in contact asking my Niece if she is connected to these two surnames, along with some other surnames.
There is a HUTCHINS and SPENCER on my Mother's side.
However, our Hutchins & Spencer were together - Frederick St Leger Hutchins and Annie Spencer (marr. 1901). He was born on the day of the St Leger horse race, which still causes a chuckle today!
However, the DNA response seems to have her Hutchins and Spencer at different generations, from the brief reply.
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark,
Your fathers DNA link back gens to George Hood d 1845 Selby being one generation 50% purity closer than your own DNA (you are 50% of your mums DNA), have you considered asking him if he's interested in going down this route of DNA ancestry. ?
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Thanks dobfarm
Until now, I've been highly sceptical of DNA.
Obviously, because my Niece has done this, the subject will now be the subject of family discussion, no doubt.
Two of our Hutchins of Savernake, Wilts, told Census Enumerators they were Ag Labourers.
But Death Certificates paint a different account. The family historian must be very careful when they see Ag Lab in the Census. It may simply mean they were reticent to reveal their real situation, to a Government Census.
Over a 100 years ago, there always had to be 10 shillings continually on the Hutchins Mantle piece, to pay for the Doctor, just in case.
Frederick St Leger H, was a Butler and Annie lived, at Bockleton for the Prescott-Decie Family, one of their infant Sons (a Twin) died of Convulsions in 1912 and their employers the Prescott-Decie's sent the Hutchins family away to the coast for a little holiday, including my Great Aunt the other Twin who lived nearly to be 100. What a kind thing!
F St L H became ill, the upset of losing a Son probably didn't help. A photo shows him Wheelchair bound. He was a paraplegic, poss with a Central Nervous System problem, dying early half of 20th Century. His Widow Annie held me as a baby.
The Hutchins photos are very interesting.
I may only have cheap household items, but their family photos and things like a small box which once held a piece of wedding cake with an address and postage stamp on, are irreplaceable.
No jewellery, it was all stolen a while ago!
Ted his Son went blind, learnt Braille, but got his sight back in one eye. My consiousness changes without warning, naturally my Consultants were also interested in my family, as its a neurological condition. I was knocked to the floor at Coventry Technical College at 16/17 with a single blow to the head and I also get the same, as the after effect of that. A very brave Canteen lady intervened and got me up and walked me inside a building. I ought to have been sent to hospital as one side of my face was blue / black when my mum saw me later.
This is why I had to wait months for a short window in my health, before we could go to Lancs.
I like this hobby as I can pick it up and put it down.
Kind regards Mark
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I managed to get all the way back to [John] Hutchins of Lye Farm, Savernake. Been looking at all the docs today.
Seem to recall John Hutchins was a Farm Bailiff, but very strangely couldn't sign his own name. A Manorial Estate 'Steward' was usually a Solicitor at the Estate Office. A Bailiff sometimes under the Steward was usually responsible for Managing the Tenants and the Farm Estate.
Yes, Henry Hutchins, married a Crocker.
I'll have to eat my words, re DNA!!!
Regards Mark
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Marriage was at Mildenhall 10 Feb 1827 after Banns
John Hutchins OTP and a bachelor
Eleanor Coward spinster of Burbage
He left his mark, she signed
Witnesses:
William Hammond
Hannah Hammond
Mary Jane Holloway
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Marriage was at Mildenhall 10 Feb 1827 after Banns
John Hutchins OTP and a bachelor
Eleanor Coward spinster of Burbage
He left his mark, she signed
Witnesses:
William Hammond
Hannah Hammond
Mary Jane Holloway
That's it, Claire. Unlike, George Hood, they were just a bit younger and he also lived longer than G.H., so have their Birthplaces (not on the marriage).
Regards Mark
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Quote you,
I'll have to eat my words, re DNA!!!
Regards Mark
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DNA maybe your only route back pre George Hood of Selby a cooper after bringing negative normal research method results so far.
Spencer's on your mums side, and possible Spencer's George Hood d 1845 origins is another reason why your dads DNA is the one needed more than your own, if you take on DNA ancestry also medical hereditary and passed down family medical history you mention . Each separate independent DNA's from each Paternal and Maternal lines DNA. (Mum & Dad separate DNA's for each hereditary medical history line of their ancestors if living relates names pop up by DNA research to investigate their hereditary medical ancestors history or reason of deaths. )
Just a thought.
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Thank you.
Yes conditions are probably hereditary.
Joseph (born Wiltshire, Mildenhall) the Brother of my direct line ancestor Henry Hutchins was taken in to the Maidstone household of Charles Marsham, the Earl of Romney.
Family account was that when the Census Enumerator came to the household a heated exchange took place, because the Earl refused to have him declared Deaf and Dumb and I see he was recorded as 'Odd Man'.
If you look at the 1861 Census page (aged 30), you will see the capital letter 'D' written (added in another hand) next to 'Odd Man', rather than in the column.
The intervention of the Hutchins's and Earl of Romney, probably prevented Joseph from being institionalised. The Steward & [?] 10 years later is likely him.
Kind regards Mark
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Back to Hood
In the Roger Hood of Selby Will, 1727/28 a Mr John Mosli of Wren Lane is mentioned
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5785728#msg5785728
Although Tristrum / Tristram Hood(e) appear on internet searches several times, in the following document description a Mosely of Selby and Hood appear again ...
ER Yorks Archives
zDDX31/12/32
Lease for 41 year at 1s 6d rent of land in South Duffield
Parties: 1) Thomas Mosely of Selby, gentleman 2) Tristram Hoode of South Duffield, yeoman Property: half an acre in a croft in South Duffield Witnesses: Markham Haddlesey and Edmond Wordsworth
20 May 1723
A Tristrum Hood married Ellen Briggs, both of York, 1686, Dec. 16.
https://archive.org/stream/yorkshirearchae21socigoog
Two more Trustrum / Tristram Hood marriages (1712 at Skirpenbeck & 1722 at Hemingbrough) from dobfarm here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg5940313#msg5940313
Did the latter Tristram Hood have any children please?
Are there any burials, places and dates, please?
Thanks Mark
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Not many records but here is what I can see
Jane bpt. 7 February 1722 Hemingbrough father Trustrum - possible marriage in 1742 to William Robinson ( by licence dated 13 Jul 1742, she was 21, he 26, intended marriage place: Thornton or Barmby Moor)
James bpt. 20 April 1724 Hemingborough father Trustram.
RECORDS AT THORNTON ON SPALDING MOOR
Ellen bapt. 21 Nov 1727 father Tristram Hood buried 23rd November 1727
Mary wife of Tristram Hood buried 23 Nov 1727
Tristram Hood buried 18 Dec 1741
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Possibly the 1712 marriage is the same Tristram that married in 1686 (to Ellen Briggs) ~ in 1712 he married by licence, both parties resident in York, he was 46 years old, she was 28. Looks to have died c1735 as there are two probate records for him in 1735 and again in 1741
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EDIT: While looking for the above Jane Hood marriage ~ came across a Jane Hood (widow) to a Richard Peacock in Beverley marriage dated 07 Jan 1748 at Beverley St Mary
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Thank you Claire
Think, I'll have to keep pursuing Hood Wills.
Looking for James in my IGI sheets, I found Lydia Hood baptised 9th December 1832, daughter of Wells Hood and Ann, at York, Lendal Formerly Jubbergate INDEPENDENT.
Looks like Wells Hood baptised Dunnington 1795, has changed to INDEPENDENT.
My George Hood seemed to have a few contacts with Independents.
Protestant Nonconformity in Hull.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/east/vol1/pp311-330
Quite a few Nonconformist families.
It might explain the six Hood Quaker burials for George and Sarah Hood and their four adult unmarried children, as "Not in Membership" or "Not a Member".
Regards Mark
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EDIT: While looking for the above Jane Hood marriage ~ came across a Jane Hood (widow) to a Richard Peacock in Beverley marriage dated 07 Jan 1748 at Beverley St Mary
Thanks, we looked at the Hood = Pearson marriage at Beverley, too.
Mark
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The only marriage I can see for James Hood is in 1762 in Snaith. He was a schoolmaster and married a widow Clary Ranby.
I'm sure we've had this before - her name seems familiar
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The only marriage I can see for James Hood is in 1762 in Snaith. He was a schoolmaster and married a widow Clary Ranby.
I'm sure we've had this before - her name seems familiar
Thanks Claire, its on my sheets too.
Regards Mark
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I've forgotten off hand- did George Hood have burial age on them Quaker records 1845 Selby.
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A spurious web site was showing what appears to be my George Hood ... in the results.
Both Google and also my pc are giving me a warning, that by proceeding the site may harm the computer.
If you don't like the look of any website, or email, DON'T open it and DON'T click on it, or any link.
Happy surfing, but please be careful!
Regards Mark
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I've forgotten off hand- did George Hood have burial age on them Quaker records 1845 Selby.
Hi
dobfarm, re Quaker Burial slips - George Hood's 1845 burial age is the same, 60 years. Claire has traced a contact.
Hopefully awaiting a reply (off-board) regarding those Casson papers.
Not being a Quaker, but buried by them, suggests he had broken away from the Church.
I believe in one of the three Selby histories (1800 by Mountain; Baines 1822/23 or Wilberforce Morrell 1867) it mentioned that there was a family at Selby with their own Chapel, but only their family went to services there?
Thanks Mark
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Wells Hood, Wine & Spirit Merchant of York, (baptised I preume?) at Dunnington Church 1795, had Daughter Lydia Hood baptised 1832, York Lendal / Jubbergate INDEPENDENT, per IGI.
So Wells Hood seems to have changed to Independent too, or his wife Ann was an Independent?
Just wondering if I've ever seen Wells Hood's 1821 Marriage witnesses, at Leeds St Peter.
Any Witnesses to Lydia's Baptism and if so who were they please?
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No witnesses noted in any of Wells and Ann Hoods children's baptisms.
Witnesses at the wedding of Wells Hood and Ann Bowers
James Bower, possibly Jos'h Bower and Elizabeth Hood
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Thank you Claire
Presume Wells Hood's 1795 Baptism at Dunnington was a Parish Church affair?
Regards Mark
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Yes Wells Hood was baptised in an Anglican Church.
A quick look at Bower suggests a family headed by a John & Mary baptised numerous children in an Independent Church ~ which do include an Ann c1802.
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Yes Wells Hood was baptised in an Anglican Church.
A quick look at Bower suggests a family headed by a John & Mary baptised numerous children in an Independent Church ~ which do include an Ann c1802.
Thanks Claire
Richard Hood 24 of Stamford Bridge and Elizabeth Williford 20 of Scarborough got a marriage licence on 23 Apr 1794.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.0
If the above Elizabeth Hood (nee Williford) was still alive, she could be one of witnesses at Wells Hood's 1821 Marriage, at Leeds St Peter.
EDIT: According to Goughy, it seems Elizabeth Hood was dead long before 1821 ...
"Burial of Elizabeth Hood wife of Richard 6 March 1805 Catton
And then there is this Marriage Licence:
Richard Hood (B 1772) residence Stamford Bridge License date 7 April 1810 intended place of marriage St Lawrence York to Charlotte M Abel residence York
Burial of Charlotte Margaret Hood burial 1840 Catton
Looking at Census returns Richard Hood born 1772? (Seed & Wine & Spirit Merchant) is married to a Caroline Helen! Richard's birth place is given as LEVEN, Yorkshire. Caroline Helen died 1871. Richard buried Catton 27 March 1862 "
End of Quote.
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From your reply Claire it either looks like Wells has changed faith OR the Bower family influence on Wells Hood's wife, has caused their children to be baptised as Independents.
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George & Sarah Hood of Selby, had their last child Sarah Hood baptised in 1835 in Selby Abbey Church. Between 1835 and 1845 something has prompted George Hood to switch religion.
Regards Mark
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If the above Elizabeth Hood (nee Williford) was still alive, she could be one of witnesses at Wells Hood's 1821 Marriage, at Leeds St Peter.
Elizabeth Hood witness at Wells marriage could have been his sister who was baptised April 1796 in Catton
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Looks like Richard Hood married again in 1840, he certainly didn't waste much time
Richard Hood married 28 Dec 1840 at St Pancras London to Caroline Helen ABEL ( father John deceased)
His sister in law perhaps
Witnesses: Wm Elsworth and no idea of the second
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Thanks Claire & Goughy
Regards Mark
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George & Sarah Hood of Selby, had their last child Sarah Hood baptised in 1835 in Selby Abbey Church. Between 1835 and 1845 something has prompted George Hood to switch religion.
Regarding George Hood's Non-Quaker, Quaker Burial at Selby.
From the newspapers there looks to have been an increase in the Non-conformists at Selby.
John Robertson was leading the Independents at Selby, prior to 1839.
Independents; the Wesleyan Methodists; Quakers and the Incumbent, have formed a Selby Bible Society Branch in 1836.
Unfortunately, the information found, although local to Selby, is very general and does not mention George Hood's religion.
Joseph Richardson & Henry Wilkinson of Selby are mentioned in 1840, wonder if they are linked to my Hoods at Selby?
Regards Mark
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Wonder if the Joseph Richardson is this man buried in unconsecrated ground at Selby Cemetery.
Joseph Richardson a seed merchant, died at Brook Street buried 4 September 1866 aged 69, so looking at a birth c1797.
Buried by the Rev. John Hornby
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The executor of the above guys estate was Joseph T(ate) Richardson
Joseph Tate R. born 1833 Selby to Joseph and Hannah Richardson.
Joseph Richardson married Hannah Burton in 1824
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Possible baptism at Selby Abbey in 1798
Joseph 1st son of Joseph Richarson of Sparkhag ?? in this parish farmer, the son of Joseph R of Sparkhag aforesaid farmer by Isabella his wife daughter of Lupton Middleton of Ryther farmer
and son of Elizabeth daughter of William Marshall of Matterham Hall in parish of Fenton farmer by Dinah his wife daughter of David Leadsome of Wistow farmer.
Born: 9 Nov 1798, Bapt. 28 Nov. 1798
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The executor of the above guys estate was Joseph T(ate) Richardson
Joseph Tate R. born 1833 Selby to Joseph and Hannah Richardson.
Joseph Richardson married Hannah Burton in 1824
Thanks Claire,
Every time I see TATE, I can't stop myself thinking of the TATE HOODs buried at Thorganby.
"Mary TATE HOOD wife of Thomas TATE HOOD Labourer buried at Thorganby, 21st May 1781.
Thomas TATE Shoemaker, died 27th December 1805 of natural decay. Abode Thorganby. Buried 27th December, 76 years.
If her husband was a TATE, then quite where the Hood in 'TATE HOOD' comes from, I don't know.
However, there is a SAMUEL HOOD Barbour and Surgeon from Selby buried at Thorganby, 1st July 1737."
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Goughy kindly got me some photographs of John Hood's headstone, the Tanner, in Selby Cemetery and there is Wife Sarah Hood, Alice Annie (infant Daughter) and a Hannah Richardson buried with the Hoods.
Also a Hannah Richardson and Marshall Son in Law in the Sarah Hood (nee Richardson) household - later Selby Census.
Regards Mark
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Wonder where the Tate surname came into the Richardson born 1833 then, might have a look at it unless it's already been sorted.
Has the Robert Cook(e) in Selby been looked at ? Noted he had a daughter Elizabeth Cook born 1833 ~ same page baptism as the Richardson, wondered if there was any connection to the Elizabeth Cooke Hood scenario.
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Wonder where the Tate surname came into the Richardson born 1833 then, might have a look at it unless it's already been sorted.
Has the Robert Cook(e) in Selby been looked at ? Noted he had a daughter Elizabeth Cook born 1833 ~ same page baptism as the Richardson, wondered if there was any connection to the Elizabeth Cooke Hood scenario.
Thanks Claire
When you get a moment work some magic, please!
Regards Mark
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Wonder if this couple have anything to do with it
Marriage: Birkin with Haddesley
Jno. TATE and Mary HOOD married 08 Feb 1725
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In Thorganby 6 Aug 1745 a Thomas TATE married a Mary BAKEHOUSE ( was Backhouse a Quaker name, I remember it from somewhere)
Again in Thorganby on 25 Nov. 1757 ( intended marriage place West Cottingwith Chapel) Thomas Tate married a Mary Asquith*** by Licence.
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In Cawood on 2 Jun 1740 a David TATE married a Mary RICHARDSON
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In Wistow a Hugh RICHARDSON of Bourne farmer married a Joanna TATE minor by Licence on 30 June 1795.
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From your post you mention a Samuel Hood barber and Surgeon buried in Thorganby ~ in the Deeds Records for York there is a John Hood barber and surgeon mentioned in the years 1740 and 1742 - wonder if there is a relationship there ?
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***A coincidence: The other day I was looking at a dataset on Anc* " West Yorkshire Bastardy Records" ~a Filiation order dated 24 Oct 1786 - a Mary Asquith of Tong bore a male child in 1786 to a John Clark late of Manchester, staymaker.
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Hello
Thanks Claire, possibly you have found the Tate = Hood origin?
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Thorne Quaker wedding James Backhouse = Mary Dearman, in the Sixth Month of 1787 had a Procter and Hord as relatives.
But George Hood's last recorded contact with Selby Abbey Church, was in 1835.
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Looking at that Selby Cemetery graves (above) a J. Hallewell is between Richardson and J. Hood & Hoods?
But only John Hood, Sarah Hood, Alice Annie (Infant Daughter) and Martha Richardson on headstone.
Wondering who J. Hallewell / Halliwell was?
Regards Mark
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Another report in the newspaper in 1814 in the Stamford Mercury titled The North Kelsey Inclosure & Drainage mentions the meeting was to be held at the home of PETER HOOD in Redbourne.
Peter Hood is the landlord of the Red Lion - found another article regarding this that names the Inn too
EDIT: dated 4 March 1814
Peter Hood married Mary Morgan 8 June 1797 Redbourne
Both signed
Witnesses: W Whitehead, C Blessett and Thomas Sherlock
Looks like Peter Hood died in 1825 in Surrey, described as the Agent to his ?? Duke of St Albans in his Will.
Dukes of St Albans ( the Beauclerk family) mentioned in the church history of Redbourne.
Left all monies and property to his wife
Burial at St Pancras 11 January 1825 of Gattan Surrey, aged 64 years, buried at the new church.
"Red Lion, in Redbourne, was the House of Widow Whitehead, in a Notice dated 25 July 1805.
Possibly the same Whitehead in the Stamford Mercury, 17 October 1806
A few days ago died at Redbourn, near Spittal, in this county, after a short illness, Mrs. Whitehead, widow, aged 37."
There is here a portrait of the late duke, a large painting of Redbourne,—his grace’s Lincolnshire seat, in which are the figures of two ladies in a small pony carriage who are holding converse with a substantial ecclesiastic of the old school, just dismounted from a stout cob. In the background is Redbourne Church, half concealed by autumnal foliage.
http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/Jacks1881/bestwood.htm
But Peter is not a name used anywhere in our Hoods, as far as I know.
This is all very tenuous and I recall the Fleur de lis symbol also being discussed as a boy.
The Crest is the very top of a Coat of Arms above the Shield...
http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestfinder-search/Hood-family-crest?name=beauclerk
Supporters
According to one of the Coat of Arms on Wiki, the [left side] Supporter to the Shield in the Coat of Arms, has the same lower half of the four legged creature visible on George Hood's Seal.
Regards Mark
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Tried looking for Peter Hood last night - not many records at all. A couple of baptisms in the right timeframe ( 1 in Topcliffe, the other Devon - both died )
However, something of interest. This Peter Hoods residence at death was Gatton Surrey. And there is this baptism not too far away -
Charlwood St Nicholas 17 Feb. 1760 - Jno Hood son of Peter Hood Jnr. baptised.
Only nine miles or so between each place - so could be a link here
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Hi
Thanks Claire, just noticed Agent to the Duke, so Peter Hood is probably not related to him.
According to James & Sarah Hood's children, Cook and Pearson, also possibly surname Alfred, in the previous descent.
Bainbridge Hood married a Pearson, did any child go on to marry a Cook plesase?
Until I see the 1810 William Hood of Hull LCC, Will, there is little to go at.
Kind regards, Mark
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Luckily I can find the Hallewell burial
Joseph Hallewell buried 12 June 1859 aged 27
Ceremony performed by F W Harper
Plot: 1530
Of Gowthorpe St.
Wheelwright - out of business
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Can't see any children bar one born to the couple.
Another Bainbridge Hood born 1769 - another 1770.
One marriage of a Bainbridge H to a Mary Page in 1797
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There are a couple of Hood/Clark marriages
Richard Hood of Danby Wisk a serving man, married Mary Clark by licence at Cundall in 1770.
Joseph Clark married Ann Hood at Osmotherly 1766 with consent of parents
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Thank you for looking Claire
Until a copy Death Certificate, or Will (none found so far mentioning my Hoods), linking a known member of my Hood family to a currently unknown relative (in the early half of the 19th Century), I have this feeling, that currently it is impossible to progress further.
It would be most handy to have Death Certificate Indexes giving the name of the person present at death.
1,000s of Apprenticeship sheets in the Quarter Sessions series are un-indexed.
Thank you, regards Mark
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William Massey of Spalding, Lincs son of John Massey of the same place and Elizabeth his wife married Sarah PROCTOR daughter of Thomas PROCTOR of SELBY and Mary his wife. Date: 08 Jul 1785 at York
Relations by surname Priestman, Proctor, Belton, Tuke
John Massey, father of the above of Spalding yeoman married Elizabeth Newbold of Leeds, widow on 26 Oct. 1758
Relations : HIRD ( quite a few witnesses by this name too) , Westgarth, English, Horner
Hello All
Been looking at this William Massey of Selby, Merchant, Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby, Merchant, George Hood, along with the former owners and their Solicitors being the parties who signed the Release, regarding the Two Dwelling houses, Brewhouse and Carpenters shop, in Wren Lane, Selby (in the Petre and Others to Hood, 1836 Memorial Registration).
Wren Lane, Selby advertised in 1835.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752270.1
Massey and Hutchinson looked to be involved previously (at least) with George Hood's brewing operation, at Selby, in the 1836 Memorial registration.
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CASES IN CHANCERY
Duke of Norfolk and others v. R. Myers and others
Edward Robert Petre died before the year 1813 and the Duke of Norfolk were Charles Duke of Norfolk / Barnard Edward Howard (Trustees). The Mill was Let to Plaintiffs John Richardson & William Massey.
This appears to be a dispute over the milling rights of corn, grain and malt, in the Manor and Town of Selby.
Since 1812/1813 Robert Myers, John Capes, and John Bradley have it seems milled their own.
[Baines 1822 - John Bradley, Ousegate, Brewer; John Capes, Gowthorpe, Brewer and John Foster, Crescent, Brewer. Edward Bradley; William Burton; Michl. Gibson; Susannah Walker; John Hodgson AND Others were listed under Bakers and Flour Dealers]
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AfY2AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA56&lpg=RA1-PA56&dq=%22William+Massey%22+Selby&source=bl&ots=CczntoMiwH&sig=N3l2De1fCoB8VH5Fji99jG9JwbE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHm6aM4Y_UAhUlCMAKHdvvCfQQ6AEIKzAF
Edit: (Published 1829) 1819 The claim appears to be that the old Selby custom, was that the Lord's Mill was to be used for all milling, but the custom was not being adhered to.
1824 This was challenged in Chancery in Richardson v. Walker ; Richardson v. Capes, with the verdict being given to the Defendants.
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But seeing William Massey having some association with George Hood Wren Lane, grain / malt and the Richardson surname, I'm going to try and find out more info.
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This William Massey and family originated from Spalding, where I believe it was, that my Grandma Hood went to look in the church.
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I notice in the London Gazette of 1831 that William Procter, William Massey and Jonathan Hutchinson had also been General Merchants.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PQNKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1313&lpg=PA1313&dq=%22William+Massey%22+Selby&source=bl&ots=3_arenTAjU&sig=nOd5XuPoWqHo96jVPYnBBG9xfyE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8-d75-Y_UAhUlDcAKHZcEBGYQ6AEIMjAH
Regards Mark
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I read in one of your posts of very recent, extract ~ Brewery and joinery shop, Wren lane but either you have edited it out ? or I can't find it.
I remember thinking its the first time I've seen both trades together mentioned for George
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This page #432, 1st paragrah (below quote), "Brewhouse and Carpenters shop"
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Thanks Mark. (can't see Wood from the Carpenters shop for Trees or was it the booze from the Brew house I supped last night ;D ;D ;D)
R Gibson coopers yard/shop - I wonder if the Brew house was in the same yard 1807-1812 or next door Wren lane,-
John Hood Publican (Brew ) Ship inn Gateshead- R Gibson cooper (Wood) dad Thomas of Newcastle/Tyne
George Hood Cooper/Brewer Selby br 1785-1787
John Hood (vocation unknown) father of George Hood b 1786 Gateshead
Were missing something obvious.
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1836 Memorial.
Petre & Others to Hood
The "Carpenters shop and ground in front thereof Brewhouse outbuildings and yard adjoining" seem to be in the location description, for the two dwelling houses in Wren Lane.
Above was not worded very well, because the Carpenters Shop was included in the 1835 Sale Lot number.
Underneath, in the 1836 Memorial it confirms Richard Gibson and Thomas Holliday were former Occupiers, but now of George Hood. Also reference to the last Survey [possibly Manor Survey].
This Memorial still does not link a Hood family relationship to Gibson, but only what we already know, that George Hood it seems took over the former business of Richard Gibson, who along with other suspects might be related.
Prior to the 1835 Auction Sale, George Hood, his Undertenants and John Green were occupiers (per Memorial).
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1833 Memorial
Clarkson to Hood
When George Hood purchased John Clarkson's Wren Lane, Dwelling house it says that George Hood was occupying Lord Petre's property adjoining.
In this property transfer John Clarkson of New Port, Parish of Eastrington Farmer, George Hood of Selby Private Brewer and Henry Mitton of Snaith Gentleman, signed the Release.
The late Henry Mitton of Snaith, had died 1803 and according to a notice in 14 & 21 May 1803 was a Maltster.
Regards Mark
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All six Hood Quaker burials for George and Sarah Hood and their four adult unmarried children state "Not in Membership" or "Not a Member". George Hood's age is given as 60 years.
Been thinking, if George Hood came from a nonconformist or dissenting family, then his siblings (if any) and his parents may also have been NC.
Perhaps the clue may be other Hoods lying in nonconformist cemeteries, like Bunhill Fields Cemetery and any others, open at the time, taking NC.
The Hood of Laurence Pountney Hill found before, was from Bardon Park, Leicestershire (they had a residence at Laurence Pountney Hill).
Regards Mark
My 2 X Gt Grandfather George Hood, Leicester area (born Selby 1847) had his first three children baptised at Selby Abbey Church and he would likely have known the reason for George Hood AND his Grandmother Sarah Hood (d.1879) being buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground.
My Father is fairly adamant we were Scottish and I just wonder, if the reason was known by my 2 x Gt. G., for the burial in the Quaker burial ground, that George was perhaps Presbyterian or Protestant, (Church of Scotland).
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Just thought I would check your theory ~ there are lots of NC 'Hood' burials ~ and that's just in London. Look at this one, at Whitefields Memorial Church.
Little boy buried 30 Dec 1832 aged 4.
Have to add it is transcribed as Cock as opposed to COOK - which I immediately thought it looked like
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Hello All
Thank you Claire.
More Questions than Answers, we Cannot Answer
a) If George Hood was Nonconformist, he has had all his children from 1816 to 1835 baptised at Selby Abbey Church, or did Mother Sarah Hood (nee Russell, baptised Selby Church), influence the baptism decisions.
b) If my George & Sarah Hood and family, were changing to the Quaker faith, then at Sarah Hood's 1879 burial in the Quaker Burial Ground (and despite her first Son William and Daughter-in-Law Jane Hood nee Casson, being Quakers), Sarah Hood is still not a Quaker Member at burial in 1879, as it states such on the Burial Note.
So George and Sarah Hood it seems, were not converting to the Quakers.
c) Were the Quakers using George Hood and George Hood using the Quakers, to further their own business contacts and businesses.
According to my 1836 George Hood Memorial Property Registration copy, the Lord of the Manor, his Trustees and Solicitors (sellers) AND Quakers Members names are linked to the Release allowing the Sale from the Lord and his Trustees to George Hood.
In 1838 George Hood has acquired a shed load property which George Hood and later William Hood are holding in Trust for James Collinson. When James Collinson of Selby dies, Mrs Collinson has become a Quaker, with William Hood still Trustee (the other Trustee being removed) according to the Will and it is my belief that George Hood has provided the Mortgage money for the property aquisition.
d) HSBC Archives (looking from a Bank perspective I believe) told me George Hood of Selby, Brewer was an ancestor to be proud of, with a good credit rating, but had no other surviving record.
Seems George Hood has good Accounting and Business acumen.
York City and County Banking Company
Managed to get a long list of owners names in 1845, no Hoods, but the following may be of interest:-
John Cook, Scarbro', Solicitor. (Nothing on this chap yet?)
Richard Pearson, Melmerby, Farmer. (Nothing at all on this chap yet?)
Mary Pearson, Middlethorp Lodge, Spinster.
Pearson of Middlethorp Lodge
Middlethorp Lodge 1841 (transcribed online)
James Meek, 50, Ind. Born in County.
Ann Meek, 55, born in County.
William Barker, 15, M.S. Born in County.
Hannah Robinson, 25, F.S. Born in County.
Jane Revie, 20, F.S. Born in County
25 March 1813, Tadcaster, Yorkshire, James Meek and Ann Pearson.
1851
James Meek, Head, Mar., 61, Lord Mayor of York, Glass Manufacturer, born Yorkshire Brampton.
Ann Meek, Wife, Mar., 68, born Yorkshire Bramham.
Mary Pearson, Visitor, U, 64, born Yorkshire Bramham.
Cook
Couldn't find much on John Cook of Scarborough, Solicitor.
Hood
York Union Bank
List of Owners
Wells Hood, York, Wine Merchant.
Early Selby Churches and Chapels (Mountain 1800)
Selby Abbey Church
Presbyterian Chapel, Millgate, rebuilt about the year 1690.
Quaker Meeting House, Gowthorp, errected about the year 1784.
Methodist Meeting House in Millgate, errected about the year 1785.
About 1780s
Catholics Meeting in the Steward's House of the Manor of Selby.
Regards Mark
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MARRIAGE by licence
Huggate 1st January 1839
John Cook bachelor 28 a Solicitor of Scarborough: Father: William Cook - farmer
Mary Cook spinster 25 of Huggate: Father: Francis Cook - farmer
Both signed register
Witnesses: Francis Cook, William Cook Jnr. and John Dandy ?
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MARRIAGE by licence
Huggate 1st January 1839
John Cook bachelor 28 a Solicitor of Scarborough: Father: William Cook - farmer
Mary Cook spinster 25 of Huggate: Father: Francis Cook - farmer
Both signed register
Witnesses: Francis Cook, William Cook Jnr. and John Dandy ?
Hello
Thanks Claire
That John Dandy, or is it John DANBY?
On some writing the stick is brought up in such a way, that d and b, are difficult to distinguish.
We know that some Leadlay in Yorkshire are linked to John Hood of Nettleham.
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The DANBY surname, is also linked to John Hood of Nettleham Hall.
Hood of Nettleham and West Firsby, Lincolnshire, is also the same Hood family of Kirkbridge, Aiskew, Yafforth, Skipwith, near Selby (1830), Yorkshire and various Yorkshire places.
See: Was Grace Fothergill wife of Wm Hood Kirkbridge related to Fothergill of Selby?
(The answer by the way was yes).
Reply #3
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=753233.3
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Just noticed in the google results, but if linked to RG 11, its a big late (1881) unless the name was acquired earlier ...
with daughter Mary Milcah Pierson and son John Leadlay Pierson (RG11/4811 Folio: 29 Page: 17)
John Leadley Son of John Hood of Nettleham Hill, died aged 14 in 1837.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.0
Regards Mark
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I would say Dandy ~ but looking again - not sure of the first letter either
Checking John Danby signatures or Dandy see if I can get a match
Bandy ? Bendy ?
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Not sure the Leadley link is with this family
John PIERSON married Grace DIXON 1877 ~ witness LEADLAY Pashby
Leadlay Pashby married Mary Dixon 1855
John Pierson (father of above John) married Margaret Pashby 1856 father of Margaret - William Pashby
Leadlay Pashby bapt. 1818 son of William Pashby and Elizabeth LEADLAY
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Hello
Thank you Claire.
Regards Mark
Sorry, I think they must be another Leadlay, when I saw 1881 I was a bit doubtful.
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RICHARD PEARSON
Baptised 23 April 1788 Felixkirk son of John Pearson of Marderby ( Marderby Hall is given as PoB in 1851 census)
Father John Pearson looks to have married Anne Bell at Ripon Cathedral in 1776 by Licence.
Other children: John bapt 1779, William 1776, - burials: Ann 1786, William 1788.
Richard's mother was also buried 1788 Felixkirk.
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Richard Pearson of Melmerby married Jane Baines by Licence in Topcliffe 29 Nov. 1819
Their children: John Thomas 1821, George 1823, Mary Ann 1825, Richard 1835, Robert 1827, William Baines 1820
Richard Pearson a farmer died 22 May 1874, leaving an estate valued under £4000 ~ executors sons John Thomas P an agricultural chemist and Robert P a farmer of Hutton Conyers near Ripon.
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Mary Pearson and Ann Meek nee Pearson were the daughters of Thomas Pearson and Margaret baptised in Bramham Yorkshire.
Mary Pearson died a spinster 28 June 1875 leavinga Will and an estate under £300, executor was her sister Jane Elizabeth Smith (wife of Richard) of Rothwell.
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PARENTS: Thomas Pearson of Bramham married Margaret Holmes of Ryther by Licence at Ryther 31 January 1782. ( Witnesses: Mark Pearson and Joseph Holmes)
Thomas Pearson died 1803, burial listed his parents: William Pearson and Ann ( Fairborn) who married 1744/3 at York, St Martin Coney Street.
James Meek was chairman of the York City and County Bank.
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Hello All
Thank you very much Claire for all this information about Pearson!
One day I am sure that something (or more than thing) written on all these threads is suddenly going to fit together, or help someone else at least.
Like a jigsaw where I just need to find and fit one, or two pieces and suddenly all those small assembled pieces to the side, suddenly fit in!
Quaker Archive, London
I have gone back to them with a scan of George Hood's burial note, with a few specific questions regarding other records created at the time and any formal procedure for the authorising of a burial in their Quaker Burial Ground of my "Not in Membership" George, who died of Heart Disease.
WYAS Catalogue Unavailable?
Seems to be unavailable each time I've tried since the Wakefield move.
Just say for instance that near the end of his life, George was, or was attending Wesleyan; Independent; Methodist; or Presbyterian, at Selby.
I seem to think they had some Selby Registers for these NC faiths at Yorkshire Archives (WYAS I think) and I wondered if there might be a reference to George Hood's September 1845 death in one of them?
Because the Non-Conf., RG Series Registers held by TNA (ex Public Record Office), Kew, had to be deposited with the Registrar General (RG) about 1837, then the most recent will be about 1837, so then I am wondering (if like the Quakers), whether the 1845 Selby NC Registers are even online yet, on a pay per view like Anc or FindMyPast?
No good me looking at images of RG Non-Conf. held in the TNA, they are a little too early for 1845.
This is also why George Hood's 1845 Quaker Burial Note wouldn't show up online.
Regards Mark
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Hello All
Thank you very much Claire for all this information about Pearson!
One day I am sure that something (or more than thing) written on all these threads is suddenly going to fit together, or help someone else at least.
Like a jigsaw where I just need to find and fit one, or two pieces and suddenly all those small assembled pieces to the side, suddenly fit in!
Quaker Archive, London
I have gone back to them with a scan of George Hood's burial note, with a few specific questions regarding other records created at the time and any formal procedure for the authorising of a burial in their Quaker Burial Ground of my "Not in Membership" George, who died of Heart Disease.
WYAS Catalogue Unavailable?
Seems to be unavailable each time I've tried since the Wakefield move.
Just say for instance that near the end of his life, George was, or was attending Wesleyan, Independent, Methodist, or Presbyterian, at Selby.
I seem to think they had some Selby Registers for these NC faiths at Yorkshire Archives (WYAS I think) and I wondered if there might be a reference to George Hood's September 1845 death in one of them?
Because the Non-Conf., RG Series Registers held by TNA (ex Public Record Office), Kew, had to be deposited with the Registrar General (RG) about 1837, then the most recent will be about 1837, so then I am wondering (if like the Quakers), whether the 1845 Selby NC Registers are even online yet, on a pay per view like Anc or FindMyPast?
No good me looking at images of RG Non-Conf. held in the TNA, they are a little too early for 1845.
This is also why George Hood's 1845 Quaker Burial Note wouldn't show up online.
Regards Mark
WYAS Catalogue links
http://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/calmview/
http://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/CalmView/advanced.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog
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Thank you dobfarm
The Selby records being searched are not showing up on their main catalogue and I have a feeling that they were listed on one of those help pages, or in a pdfs specifically for Registers and other subjects.
I'll find them later.
Regards Mark
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On Anc *
I am checking other Denominations but Selby Wesleyan - online 1815- 1837
Will edit post as I find anything
Selby ( Presbyterian prior to 1807) 1797 - 1836
Selby, New Lane Bethesda ( Independent) 1811-1837
Selby Catholic - 1822 - 1840
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http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/1567/collection-guide-1-parish-registers.pdf
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/1571/collection-guide-2-nonconformist.pdf
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/media/1572/collection-guide-3-bishops-transcripts-2015.pdf
For rest : bottom of page in link below
http://www.wyjs.org.uk/archives/search-our-catalogue/
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Reply from Quaker Archives
There are many reasons why someone not in membership might come to be buried in a Quaker burial ground (employment by Friends, adult school attendance, a local ‘character’, a falling out with or non-payment of dues to the local clergyman, historical family connections with Friends, or conversion to Quakerism by one of his children, perhaps). You should certainly try and look at the local (preparative) meeting (PM) minutes, or those of the elders and overseers. For Selby PM, minutes exist from 1698-18715, of the Women’s PM, 1836-1876, and burial notes from 1836-1877. These may contain a reference to your relative, not just about the burial but maybe previous to his death why he was associated with Friends.
Should this fail to reveal more, you might try the records of York Monthly Meeting (one level up, as it were) to which Selby Preparative Meeting belonged.
END of reply.
Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby, was described by George Hood in his Will (Proved 1846) as "my Friend" and the "sole Arbitrator or Umpire". George was also occupying property of William Procter. Both Hutchinson and Procter at Selby were Quakers.
Son, William Hood, Brewer, married Jane Casson (born Thorne), 23 December 1851 and her father Curtis Casson was a Miller. William & Jane Hood (Jane Casson Hood) were recorded as Quakers at death.
Son, James Hood married Sarah Arundel and they were Quakers at death.
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Incidentally Widow of George, Sarah Hood, did not become a Quaker.
Mark
Good Morning
Thank you Claire and dobfarm for replies, we shall have to come up North again, to Yorkshire.
EDIT: Been back in touch with the Quaker Library and they have suggested it was uncommon for Quakers to bury Nonconformists. Seems no memorial, perhaps only a marker with very brief information was allowed in these cases.
Jonathan Hutchinson, Quaker of Selby and William Massey buried by the Quakers at Selby in 1843 are both mentioned in George Hood's property Deed Memorials. The link to William Procter another Quaker (with links to Dickinson) is in the 1839 Selby Rate Book, showing George Hood occupying Wm Procter's premises.
In the Sheffield Iris, 18 February 1840
On the 31st ult., at Selby, Thomas Procter, Esq. of that place, at the venerable age of 85. Mr. Procter was during the whole of his protracted life a worthy member of the Society of Friends in Selby.
Jonathan Hutchinson's name is on George's Burial Note, suggesting Hutchinson may have officiated.
George Hood becoming one of the Overseers of the Poor for a year in April 1838, would have thrust him into the limelight. Incidentally, the others elected that year were:- George Richardson; Joseph Twist and Wm Staniland.
I get the impression that the Quakers may have helped my ancestor and probably some business reciprocating from both sides went on. I expect George had some skill in demand and got along well with them.
Regards Mark
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Selby birth ?
Have you checked or had checked by the London Quaker archives or Leeds Uni for Selby or near meeting house records for a George Hood birth notes ( not a register ) 1780-1790 at a meeting.
Think I've said it before but ? George could had been a Quaker as a single man, then gave it up on paper officially to marry Sarah Russel C o E hence baptizing his kids C of E ---but kept his links unofficially to his Quaker friends-It would answer the strange events in George's later years over religion having half his family including his C o E wife (?) buried in a Quaker burial ground that would have raised eye brows at the Abbey........Serious stuff them days in a (peculiar status run as stated on his marriage bond 1815) parish run admin.
or 50/50 either
Gateshead Bapt
George Hood bapt 1786 father John possibly a publican with maybe links to training George in the Brewing trade himself (John Hood) including the making, repairing and preparing barrel insides for taste of a brew of beer or spirits, which we know George was in the business of 1812
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Thanks dobfarm
We shall have a look, at the paper records of the Selby and York Quaker Meetings going backward until we find something, to circa 1780 if necessary.
We'll also look out for any references to the mystery Jane Hood reputed to be the "Wife" of John Hood, Mariner. I wondered if they were an irregular marriage.
Historically, sleeping with a lady in Scotland 'marriage by cohabitation with habit and repute' (irregular marriage) seems to mean you were an item! John Hood sailing back and forth to Inverness 1782, gets in the local pub there, a few drinks, tells Jane how nearly all his children died at Scarborough and how he moved to Selby, stays over with her on each trip and brings her back as wife.
Didn't the old Mariner tale say - he had a lady in another Port.
Yes, all 8 of George Hood's known children were baptised and the non-Quaker ones could have been buried in a Church Yard, before it closed.
There is something really odd, about these Hoods of Selby, nothing seems to be logical!
Claire, there were two Jonathan Hutchinson's at Selby, Snr and Junr.
Regards Mark
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Just been having a read of a Will of a man called John Frotheringham, mentioned in the Will of Quaker John Massey in 1778.
He was a non Quaker, married in an Anglican church ( by a Robert Hood - wouldn't you know) but buried by the Quakers. Mentions in the burial slip ~ not in membership.
Wealthy man too.
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Thank you Claire, but I can hardly pronounce Frotheringham, I'd be interested in him too!
Thanks for looking at that John Massey from Spalding, Will.
On a trip to Spalding my Hood Grandma went off to see something in a local church. My Father must have got us out of Junior School, because I'm crouching down behind a bed of Red tulips, with my Red school cap on and one Red tulip looks slightly bigger in the photo - (my red cap).
John Massey of Spalding, should be the father of Wm Massey of Selby?
William Massey mentioned in a George Hood property Memorial.
Tells us more, please?
I'm about to fall asleep!
Regards Mark
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Like I say - wealthy. From what I can see married three times. I think he may have been born a Quaker ~~ there are records of the Frotheringham family in the Quaker records ~ married as a CofE ~ needs more time to look at him.
I do have the Will though
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This John Fotheringham was born a Quaker in 1722.
Found two marriages in Anglican Churches ( London & Lincolnshire) - a widower on both.
Buried by the Quakers - but the record says "He was not a member"
We could be looking for a Quaker birth for GH too!
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Hello All
Thank you Claire. William Massey (Geo Hood property Deed Memorial) and Jonathan Hutchinson (Geo Hood property Deed Memorial AND his Will, Probate 1846) both link back to the same area in Lincolnshire?
Quaker, Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby, was late of Gedney and married Rachel Procter, dau of Thomas Procter of Selby, at Selby in 1792.
William Massey of Selby, was the Son of John Massey of Spalding.
Added: William Massey died District of Selby 1843 must have been buried by the Quakers, because half of his Registry of Death note to the Undertaker is next to my George Hood's 1845 Quaker Burial Note and Registry of Death note.
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Robert Hood and the Rev. Richard Gibson - Holbeach Grammar School
Claire you have also found Robert Hood, the Curate of Holbeach Church.
Coincidentally, Robert Hood M.A. took over as Master of the Holbeach Grammar School, upon the death of the Rev. Richard Gibson in October 1783. (See Quote)
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John Frotheringham, 1792 Quaker Burial
John Frotheringham of Holbeach, Co. of Lincoln.
"N.B. The said John Frotheringham was not a member of our Society at the time of his Death."
"John Massey Register to Spalding Monthly Meeting"
Signed by "Jon'a Hutchinson"
Gravemaker and Witness was William Clark
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Map
Look how close the places of Spalding; Holbeach and Gedney are, linked to John Massey; Robert Hood and Jonathan Hutchinson?
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Question in My Mind: Hoods Holbeach Area
I wonder if a Hood of the Holbeach area, might be linked to my George Hood?
Regards Mark
Hello dobfarm
Thank you.
Jonathan Hutchinson (friend and Arbitrator - George Hood's 1846 Will) was from Gedney, Lincs.
1 Feb 1811
On Sunday the 13th ult. in Spittle-fields, London, in the 77th year of his age, ... the Rev. Robert Hood, M.A. Curate of Guyhirn Chapel, in the Parish of Wisbech St Mary, and Master of the Grammar-school at Holbeach, in this county. He was appointed to that situation on the death of the late Rev. Richard Gibson, M.A. who died Oct. 1st, 1783.- ... The right of nomination of Guyhirn Chapel is in the gift of the Rev. Abraham Jobson, D.D. Vicar of Wisbech St Peter's with St. Mary's annexed; and the school of Holbeach is in the gift of Feoffees, with a proviso that no one should be admitted to the mastership of the said school but a Graduate of one of the universities of Oxford or Cambridge.
Lincolnshire Chronicle 28 December 1838.
At Holbeach, on the 15th inst, Mrs Hood, sen., relict of the Rev. Robert Hood: her remains were interred, on the 19th, in the family vault in the parish church at that place.
10 Dec 1813. On Wednesday the 1st instant, Mr. Edward Goddard, grocer and draper of Holbeach, to Miss Mary Eleanor Hood, youngest daughter of the late Rev. Robert Hood, of that place.
9 July 1819. [Thurs 1st] Same day, at Holbeach, Mr Oldershaw, of Gedney Dyke, to Miss Martha Hood, eldest daughter of the late Rev. Mr. Hood, minister of Holbeach and Guyhurn.
27 July 1821. On Tuesday last, aged 33, Mr H. W. Hood, surgeon and apothecary, of Holbeach.
9 Nov 1821. ... the infant daughter of Mr. Robert Hood, of Holbeach.
16 Aug 1839. At Boston, on Friday last, of cancer, occasioned by the drawing of a tooth, aged 43, Mr John Hood of Sleaford, youngest son of the late Rev. Rt. Hood, of Holbeach.
17 Mar 1848. At Moulton Seas End, on Friday last, Mr. Saml. Hood, aged 56, eldest son of the late Rev. Robert Hood Vicar of Holbeach.
Not getting excited - could be a coincidence, need to find baptism / burial in the area for George.
Hopefully, free, on Lincs to the past. Logged in, but can't see images on tablet.
Thanks regards, Mark
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There are a few Frotheringham Wills all from Holbeach, after reading one of a Joseph F dated 1750 it would seem that this family are related to the Masseys, and by a marriage to the Hutchinsons.
Most of this mans estate was left to cousin "John Frotheringham" and cousin "John Massey".
A bequest to his son in law "Abraham Hutchinson"
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Thanks Claire
The Society of Friends being a smaller organisation (than the church) and a lot of marrying within, with the Quakers moving to support other Meetings and also Quarterly and Yearly Meetings at regional / district level, the Quakers would have known many outside their own Meetings and their area.
Reading the information in the posts on the adjacent page link and Esthill marriage Scarborough, John Hood was an attendee at the Quaker Marriage.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.144
When Johnathon Esthills sisters Elizabeth and Martha married in 1777 Scarborough, one of the witnesses was a JOHN HOOD ( Elizabeth Esthill mar Edmund Bolton, Martha Esthill mar. Benjamin Peacock)
We will have to get up to Leeds and see what the Quakers recorded Selby / York.
Regards Mark
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William Massey marriage in 1785 - Elizabeth Pearson witnessed.
Going back to the George Head Quaker baptism 1783/4 - Mary Hood witnessed.
A Head witness appears in a Hutchinson marriage in Spalding.
Was George Hood a descendant from this Quaker marriage in 1715 Yorkshire:
Thomas Hood & Eleanor Yewdall.
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William Massey marriage in 1785 - Elizabeth Pearson witnessed.
Going back to the George Head Quaker baptism 1783/4 - Mary Hood witnessed.
A Head witness appears in a Hutchinson marriage in Spalding.
Was George Hood a descendant from this Quaker marriage in 1715 Yorkshire:
Thomas Hood & Eleanor Yewdall.
Hi Claire
"Another early Quaker record from F M P: A Thomas HOOD clothier of Glosborn in Kildwick married a Hannah Yewdall of Calverley 22 Feb 1715 at the monthly meeting of Brighouse, Bradford."
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.141
(Procter Chancery Case - Reply #141 with ref to George Esthill Peacock)
(Hood = Yewdall, Marriage - Reply #143)
Reply #149 (20 February 2017)
"EDIT: dobfarm did we ever find out what happened to the 1783 Quaker baptism of 'George HEAD' father Joseph, mother Hannah. The witness was a Mary HOOD?"
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.149
Reply #148 has the 1787 James Backhouse = Mary Dearman of Thorne, Marriage with the relations PROCTERs and HORD.
Just noticed Morde'i Casson and Han'h Casson were also present.
Regards Mark
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Edited
The Joseph Head in document below from info on post ~470 next page from Claire (Good find) is Joseph Stead.
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Yep! That's the one dobfarm :)
I can't find anything on this couple - apart from a death of a son of theirs ( Joseph I think)
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Thank you for replies.
Possible Lead - Hood?
I believe we have looked at The White House, Great Ayton Pdf, before, but didn't have all the George Hood of Selby Quaker and Procter information that we have now ...
Chancery Case regarding Procter of Selby and Gt. Ayton
In reply #141, the newspaper attachment featuring the Chancery Case says that Gt. Ayton and Litte Ayton in the County of York appointed and devised by the Will of Elizabeth, the Wife of William Procter, late of Selby, in the County of York, Merchant.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.141
Darlington & Stockton Times, September 1943 is a Funeral Report.
Hutchinson Family Bank House Farm (Pdf)
77 Years on One Farm Great Ayton Funeral of Mr Thomas Hutchinson [Jun'r]
Aged 88 years
Other Mourners (some listed below)
Mrs Hood (Cherry Hill)
Mrs Proctor
Mr & Mrs Thomas Pearson
Miss E. Pearson
Mr R. Chapman [one of the Hoods of Selby married a Chapman]
Mr & Mrs T. Robinson
Robson was pall bearer
White House, a brief history - Great Ayton gives the identity of Mrs Hood of Cherry Hill.
Cherry Hill was built in the Garden of the White House.
EDIT: Additional
2nd Lieutenant Ernest William Hood. 5th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment. Son of the late Christopher and Melinde Hood, of The White House, Great Ayton, Yorks.; husband of Alice Annie Hood, of "Sessay", Grosvenor Rd., Scarborough. Killed 25-27 September 1915. Aged 31.
1921 White House to - Charlotte Myfanwy Hood, Widow [spelling from Pdf, but see above]
1930s Harold and Clara Hood built Cherry Hill in part of the Garden of the Whitehouse.
Harold Hood had a publishing company at Middlesbrough.
Also a Cook Cottage at Gt. Ayton.
Relationship from 1903 Document Description
Charlotte Myfanwy Hood, wife of Christopher Hood of North Ormesby, nr. Middlesbrough.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/b977dd12-9994-4478-8e39-74c1fb9e294c
Comment
Now we know we are looking at a George Hood of Selby - Quaker connections with Hutchinson AND Procter, I wondered if the Hood predecessors to the Hoods at Gt. Ayton were worth another look?
Regards Mark
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I wonder if my Grandma Hood had got it a bit wrong when she told us Thomas Cook the Traveller? Captain James Cook seems to have links to Gt Ayton?
http://www.captaincookschoolroommuseum.co.uk/
Regards Mark
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That would be an easy mistake to make Mark - I helped on a thread before in regards to James Cook and Gt Ayton.
I also thought we'd worked on this Christopher Hood too ~ but I can't find it.
Christopher Hood's first marriage 1874 in Wales to Melinda Dix. His father: Thomas Hood ~ farmer. Witnessed by Robert Hood and ?
Christopher Hood born 1851 South Otterington, Yorkshire. His parents:
Thomas Hood and Margaret Binks ( married 1832 Otterington ) ~ witnessed by a John Hood.
Thomas Hood born Ellerbeck Yorkshire bapt. Osmotherley 10 March 1805, residence Ellerbeck. His Parents:
Christopher Hood and Elizabeth Meggeson married Kirby Sigston 1803. This Christopher died in 1855 and his age suggests a birth c1772
baptism 18 Nov 1771 Osmotherley ~ Christopher , his parents:
Leonard Hood and Mary ?
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Thanks Claire
I had also found Melinde or Melinda Hood in information, on CWGC, so added it.
Pretty sure that scan of dobfarm's says Hoad, George Hoad.
Regards Mark
Only that Christopher Hood was a Witness at the 1801 Wedding of William Bell & Mary Hood of Ellerbeck.
Reply # 301: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845 Part 3
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It doesn't say Hood or Hoad I'm afraid. Look at the way the letter 't' is crossed in any word or name in the George Head baptism ~ look at the capital 'H' in High Hoyland - nothing like that of this surname ~ which is I believe STEAD after finding this
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Grrr!! Back to the drawing board :(
I honestly thought we may have cracked it :'( :'(
Gutted
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Funny mentioning 'Richardsons, found registers of the family today in Great Ayton. I also came across a reference to a Hood family buying a home 'the White House' in the 1920's in Great Ayton. This home was rented out in the 1800's to Quaker families.
http://greatayton.wdfiles.com/local--files/individual-houses/White-House.pdf
This then led me to the registers of Great Ayton itself, which has all PR's, NC and Quaker BMDs.
http://greatayton.wikidot.com/parish-registers
The Hood family in the White House can be traced back to the Leonard and Mary Hood that have been touched upon before.
Claire
Thanks for trying Claire and dobfarm
Seems links were made with Leonard Hood to Hull.
Also found an 1813 reference to Thomas Cook living Great Ayton.
Regards Mark
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Quakers Balby Monthly Meeting
1787 Marriage of
James Backhouse of Darlington and Mary Dearman of Thorne
Relations
PROCTERS AND
ELIZA'h HORD
Thank you all, for your help to date.
An Eliza Hord - Proctor link, or via the newly weds?
Regards Mark
Can't find no Pearson link yet, despite Quakers with that surname.
For Mordecai Hord Casson ...
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Mordecai+Hord+Casson%22
But a COCKIN and HORD alias HOOD link too ... See also dobfarm's Reply #1 of thread Descendants of the Late Jane Casson Hood ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.1
Reference to Hord / Hood and a John Cockin the Apprentice.
According to a claim in a book recently published about Quakers, the author makes the claim that it was not unusual for the families to be linked again later.
Good Morning
Reply #148 has a partial image of the 1787 James Backhouse = Mary Dearman of Thorne, Marriage with the RELATIONS Rachel PROCTER; Thomas PROCTER Jun'r and Eliz'h HORD.
Morde'i Casson and Han'h Casson were also present, although I expect they went to that Meeting at Thorne anyway.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6175319#msg6175319
RG 6/152 Says on the Marriage that James Backhouse of Darlington was the Son of James Backhouse of Darlington in the County of Durham Banker and Jane his Wife and
Mary Dearman Daughter of Nathan Dearman of Thorne in the County of York, Shop keeper and Mary his Wife.
(For some of the Backhouse family, also see RG 6/1540 folio marked "(70)" )
Great Ayton & J. Backhouse
1805, a J. Backhouse and Co. Bankers, Darlington and others have a Dwelling House with 40 acres for sale at Great Ayton.
Elizabeth Hord - 1843 Death Notice
Don't know if the same Elizabeth Hord or not, but at 80 an interesting proposition, doesn't say if Soc. of Friends or not, but husband with occupation given (any Army document online please) and also a bit of relationship link too ...
On Wednesday, at the residence of her son-in-law, Mr. C. J. Severs, Bread baker, Leeds, aged 80, Mrs. Elizabeth Hord, widow of the late Mr. William Hord, formerly sergeant-major of the Leeds Volunteers.
Mordecai Casson and John Cockin the Apprentice
In the quote see dobfarm's find and the link.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg5921777#msg5921777
Thank you
Regards Mark
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James Backhouse married Jane HEDLEY... parents of James who married Mary Dearman
Jane Hedley was the daughter of Johnathon Hedley and Mary SEVERS. - Possibly there is a Quaker connection with the Hord/ Severs article
Another marriage I spotted was that of a Joshua HEDLEY in Darlington ( now of Scarborough) to a Tabitha PROCTER in 1778 possibly the Procter connection here?
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Richard Cockin appears in a few of the Quaker marriages post 1800 as a witness, married in London and was a glover in Thorne.
Died in 1845 Doncaster aged 92. YoB c1753
All records I can see for this family he is of 'Armthorpe'
Baptism in 1753 Armthorpe to Joseph Cockin, parish clerk, and Ann (Walker)
These two are also the parents of Thomas Pearson Cockin who we have looked at.
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James Backhouse married Jane HEDLEY... parents of James who married Mary Dearman
Jane Hedley was the daughter of Johnathon Hedley and Mary SEVERS. - Possibly there is a Quaker connection with the Hord/ Severs article
Another marriage I spotted was that of a Joshua HEDLEY in Darlington ( now of Scarborough) to a Tabitha PROCTER in 1778 possibly the Procter connection here?
Hi Claire
Thank you.
So this 1843 obit I've found for Elizabeth Hord, aged 80 and linked to Severs, which you have linked to Hedley and James Backhouse's Father, James, is likely the Elizabeth Hord relation at the James Backhouse = Mary Dearman of Thorne, Wedding? [see next reply]
I've been wanting to know who Elizabeth Hord was.
Brilliant Claire. Anything on her late husband William Hord, please?
Regards Mark
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Not necessarily Mark
Henry Casson married Elizabeth Hord 1795 .... daughter of Jeremiah Hord of Hull a mariner and Elizabeth ( Thorp) his wife
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Burials at Chapel Allerton, St Matthew
William HORD buried 21 Feb 1841 aged 76
Elizabeth HORD buried 17 Dec 1843 aged 80
Struggling to find a marriage for these two
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It doesn't say Hood or Hoad I'm afraid. Look at the way the letter 't' is crossed in any word or name in the George Head baptism ~ look at the capital 'H' in High Hoyland - nothing like that of this surname ~ which is I believe STEAD after finding this
George Stead burial Dec 1803 (br 1783 ) quaker Highflatts Huddersfield burial ground
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRJV-RXS
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Right, the HORD couple, married in Scarborough 9 Aug. 1786 by Licence, both OTP
William Hord bachelor tailor aged 22
Betsy Bull spinster aged 22
Witnesses: Ursula Grant and Fs. Harrison
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CHILDREN I CAN SEE : Mary 15 June 1787 Scarborough
Hannah Long Hord 08 Sep 1788 Scarborough
Elizabeth bapt. 9 December 1798 St Michael the Belfrey, York
Charles bapt. 14 June 1801 " " " " "
Maria bapt. 11 June 1804 St Sampson, York.
Walter Pickring Hord bapt. 25 December 1806 St Sampsons York
All children born in York gave mothers maiden name, so correct couple.
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Thank you Claire and dobfarm. A Scarborough, St Mary's M.I., with Hird on the headstone, was linked to Hoord in the Burial Register, by the fhs.
Hoping there will be a clue amongst the Soc. of Friends records, re George Hood, who has spelt and signed his name throughout as Hood.
Mark
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George Ridsdale = Mary Hud, 24 Nov 1829 at Sculcoates
Mary Hud apparently born Walkington about 1796
1. Wondered who the witnesses were please?
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1841 Census (not checked image) is interesting as an 80 year old John Hood and a 3 year old Samuel Hood, are both lodgers?
Kirby
George Ridsdale, 40, Ag Lab Y
Mary Ridsdale, 40 Y [nee Hud]
Harriet Ridsdale, 9 Y
William Ridsdale, 8 Y
George Ridsdale, 7 Y
Samuel Hood, 3, Lodger Y
John Hood, 80, Lodger Y [GRO Death Index, aged 81, Sep Qtr 1841, District of Beverley]
2. Looks like there are several generations of Hoods in the household, as young as 3 lodging AND suggests only Mary (nee Hud) was around or able to look after them, as though most of these Hoods had died / emigrated?
Mark
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George Risdale was a widower at marriage. Witnesses: Mary Ann Warton and Wm. Bradbury
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Samuel Hood is the son of Charlotte Hood baptised in Rowley 10 July 1837. Charlotte marries Thomas Bradley in 1843 and is with the Risdales in 1851
EDIT: Signature of witnesses ~ definitely Bradbury
DETAILS FROM CHARLOTTE'S MARRIAGE ~ not online
Hull: 21 Jan 1843
Thomas BRADLEY - labourer. Father: Robert Bradley
Charlotte HOOD - Father: Robert Hood
Witnesses: Joseph Gossip & Hannah Gossip ( checked this couple - she was nee HAGUE)
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Thanks Claire
Anything on this John Hood please? Probably the Death registered Sep Quarter 1841, aged 81 years.
Looks like John Hood baptism was Feb 1760 at Bishop Wilton Son of Charles Hood & Elis. (poss Elisabeth / Elizabeth Watson, married Dec 1758).
Regards Mark
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Hi
From Mark ~ " Looks like John Hood baptism was Feb 1760 at Bishop Wilton Son of Charles Hood & Elis. (poss Elisabeth / Elizabeth Watson, married Dec 1758)."
- THIS John Hood was bapt. 3 Feb 1760 and then buried 24 Feb 1760 at Bishops Wilton, father Charles.
I can't see a baptism for John Hood yet but his marriage is likely the one in WATTON ( PR not online) near Beverley - 18 Apr 1797 - John Hood married Mary Moody, both of the parish.
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Mary Ridsdale nee Hood is pretty consistent in that she was from Walkington
BT's are online, and there is a William Hood and Mary baptising children - but no Mary born c1797, this couple had quite a few children in the Walkington records - John being the first in 1792 to Hannah in 1814, and four other children in the NC registers at Beverley.
Cant find a marriage for this couple either. What a difficult family this is.
Talking of Mary Ridsdale nee Hood ~ she had another illegitimate daughter ANN baptised 9 June 1816 ~ father named as John AITON.
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From Mary Ridsdale's death record in 1876 aged 82, looked for a birth c1794.
She is the daughter of William Hood.
The BT's are in a terrible condition but she was baptised 6 July 1794 in Walkington.
William Hood married Mary Twedle in 1791 Walkington.
CANNOT find baptisms for William Hood or John Hood both born c1760ish.
So possibly William and John were siblings.
Can any one spot William and his wife Mary in 1841 - both lived into the 1840's and were buried in Walkington.
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Wm Hood 1766 living with daughter Sarah Agar in Walkington. No Mary with them though.
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Thanks Goughy
Couldn't see the 'Hood' for the trees :-\ :)
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Hi
Thanks Claire & Goughy.
Regards Mark
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Hi All
Any link please between the Pearson in the Marriage (1768) and the Pearson Cook document (1802 / 1804):-
Banbridge Hood = Elizabeth Pearson 14th December And 15th December 1768 Marriage
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1802 Joseph Cook had bequeathed “the lease of the Queen’s Head in Wednesday Market” to his wife Jane and son John Pearson Cook [document dated 1804 DDBC/15/180].
1804 Lease and release and assignment of mortgage as DDBC/15/179
Parties: 1) John Arden wine merchant and John Prattman house carpenter, John Pearson Cook master mariner, as DDBC/15/180 and Sarah Johnston, as DDBC/15/181 2) William Morritt yeoman and his trustee William Crosskill whitesmith, all of Beverley Property: messuage in Wednesday Market, now in two tenements Consideration: for £150 to Sarah Johnston and £7 to John Arden and John Pearson.
James Parker Innholder.
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1834 Co-incidentally, later ...
Bainbridge Hood was an Innkeeper [of the Pack Horse Inn, Market Place], Beverley and he had to make an assignment called Hood's Assignment dated February, 11, 1834, for the benefit of his Creditors.
Thank you, Mark
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Can't see a marriage yet for Joseph and Jane. But John Pearson Cook was born in Pocklington in 1767 along with two brothers Joseph 1765 and George 1770, maybe more siblings somewhere else. Joseph Cook senior possibly born in Pocklington too there is a birth in 1737 - son of William and Sarah.
Wonder if they are related to this guy
http://pocklingtonhistory.com/news/index.php#news139
Well, the only marriage I can find is in Leicester in 1755 by licence - Joseph Cook & Jane Pearson. He was a soldier, both 21 on the licence, so probably older.
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The only Pearsons in Leicestershire (if indeed this is where Jane was born) were Quakers. But I just feel possibly this birth is too early - 1722 given Joseph is likely the 1737 birth , there is no age on their burial records either ( Joseph 1802, Jane 1804)
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Found a service record for his militia service dated 1798 ~ born Pocklington, he was a tailor by trade. Rank of Sergeant when service ended due too illhealth
Served 3 years in the Beverley Volunteer Company as sergeant.
Served 34 years in the East Yorks. Militia, 20 years a sergeant
Served 1 year in the 30th Reg. of Foot.
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Regarding Elizabeth Pearson and Bainbridge Hood. There is a transcript of the marriage & licence online.
Bainbridge Hood, wheelwright of this parish ( St Mary) and Elizabeth Pearson of the parish of St Martins were married by Licence 15 December 1768, both signed. Witnesses: Robert Banks and William Hawley.
Bainbridge Hood aged 22
Elizabeth Pearson aged 24 both resident in Beverley, licence dated: 14 Dec 1768, intended marriage place: Beverley St Mary.
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Can't see a marriage yet for Joseph and Jane. But John Pearson Cook was born in Pocklington in 1767 along with two brothers Joseph 1765 and George 1770, maybe more siblings somewhere else. Joseph Cook senior possibly born in Pocklington too there is a birth in 1737 - son of William and Sarah.
Wonder if they are related to this guy
http://pocklingtonhistory.com/news/index.php#news139
Well, the only marriage I can find is in Leicester in 1755 by licence - Joseph Cook & Jane Pearson. He was a soldier, both 21 on the licence, so probably older.
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The only Pearsons in Leicestershire (if indeed this is where Jane was born) were Quakers. But I just feel possibly this birth is too early - 1722 given Joseph is likely the 1737 birth , there is no age on their burial records either ( Joseph 1802, Jane 1804)
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Found a service record for his militia service dated 1798 ~ born Pocklington, he was a tailor by trade. Rank of Sergeant when service ended due too illhealth
Served 3 years in the Beverley Volunteer Company as sergeant.
Served 34 years in the East Yorks. Militia, 20 years a sergeant
Served 1 year in the 30th Reg. of Foot.
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Regarding Elizabeth Pearson and Bainbridge Hood. There is a transcript of the marriage & licence online.
Bainbridge Hood, wheelwright of this parish ( St Mary) and Elizabeth Pearson of the parish of St Martins were married by Licence 15 December 1768, both signed. Witnesses: Robert Banks and William Hawley.
Bainbridge Hood aged 22
Elizabeth Pearson aged 24 both resident in Beverley, licence dated: 14 Dec 1768, intended marriage place: Beverley St Mary.
Thanks Claire
Joesph and Jane Cook, Leicester?
See you've also got a Banks, as witness to the Marriage.
Can't find it at the moment, but come across a J? Banks Hood in the past in Yorkshire. Although Banks is not a surname, in James and Sarah Hood's children.
Regards Mark
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Well Joseph Cook told a fib on the marriage licence - his baptism is in Pocklington in 1737, he was 18. I'm wondering if she went with him to Leicestershire to marry - younger than the age of consent too, I am trying to find births for both Jane & Elizabeth Pearson.
Thomas Banks Hood bn Leeds ? - son of George and Bella bn 1820
EDIT: Baptism for Jane Pearson in Pocklington on 31 August 1744, father John Pearson - married Rebecca Pinckney both of Yapham in 1728.
This Jane did have a sibling Elizabeth but she married in Pocklington, so not related directly or if at all to the family of Bainbridge Hood.
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Thank you Claire
I've wondered if the Jane Hood, (wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner), buried Selby 15 August 1803, aged 65 years, was a Jane Cook or Jane Pearson, or Jane Alfred?
This Jane Hood of Selby remains a mystery.
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There was no Gibson, in the names of James & Sarah Hood's children, which fails to prove descent from the John Hood = Eliz Gibson, marriage.
Regards Mark
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Depends how old Joseph was at baptism
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Very true dobfarm. But his age in the army record is consistent with a 1737 birth.
Regarding the lack of the Gibson name in children - we just can't find a link from this couple to George. The same could be said for John Hood in Selby with 'wife' Jane or his first wife Elizabeth - we can't find a link.
In a time where it was popular and traditional to name your children after your parents -we would possibly expect George and Sarah to at least name a daughter Elizabeth or maybe Jane, if the above scenarios were correct.
Two of their children William and Mary possibly show they were following a naming pattern given Sarah Russels parentage.
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So if they followed tradition -George Hood and Sarah Russel may have done this...
George and Sarah - named after themselves
William and Mary - named after Sarah's parents.
Possible scenario's
John and Ellen(or ?)
James and Ellen(or)
or Richard and Ellen(or)
Richard Gibson married an Eleanor - what if either of these were George's parents ?
Or George could have been raised by them ( born in Gateshead - parents possibly deceased, possibly having a sister Elizabeth born 1780 Newcastle All Saints - married William Cook )
Food for thought :)
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Very true dobfarm. But his age in the army record is consistent with a 1737 birth.
Regarding the lack of the Gibson name in children - we just can't find a link from this couple to George. The same could be said for John Hood in Selby with 'wife' Jane or his first wife Elizabeth - we can't find a link.
In a time where it was popular and traditional to name your children after your parents -we would possibly expect George and Sarah to at least name a daughter Elizabeth or maybe Jane, if the above scenarios were correct.
Two of their children William and Mary possibly show they were following a naming pattern given Sarah Russels parentage.
In ancestry, having an exact date year of birth and baptism same year as birth, when entry of birth year calculated from age given or more given from the actual person themselves when alive living , and family forename passed down in in children/ grand children is usually acceptable near proof in when info is limited or poor.
Finding a candidate baptism with a near same year to match of birth and family forename, that cannot be eliminated as another persons life, is near impossible, the fathers trade of occupation if known or a same father forename found in the same location as a baptism with a occupation that a son follows-- can add substance.
We have George death year 1845 age at burial 60 , death certificate age 60 and the important one George Hood when alive himself giving his age as 28 in 1815 at marriage, the year is between 1786 and 1787.
An Anglican Church of England parish entry. George Hood baptism 1786, father John Hood Gateshead and a John Hood who was a publican in the Ship Inn in Gateshead who served brew
Richard Gibson dad from Newcastle Hallgate
George Hood d 1845 was a brewer
George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead cannot be eliminated as cannot be identified as another George Hood with a future life after baptism
George Hood died 1845 had a son called John Hood and who has a son called George Hood - Mark's ancestor.
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George Hood died 1845 was not a Quaker at burial
his wife Sarah Hood nee Russel died 1879 was not a Quaker at burial
Sarah Russel was baptism 1793 Anglican church of England
George and Sarah married Anglican church of England 1815
All George and Sarah's children were baptized Anglican church of England
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You're right, he is the only one where known family of the Gibsons and of Richard Gibsons wife Eleanor, Elizabeth Gibsons hubbie John Hood - their children -Elizabeth Hood married a COOK,
Elizabeth Cook nee Hoods daughter Eleanor ( married as Ellen in London a Mr Bentley) - her sons carried the Hood surname on.
All these people's names or surnames carried on in George Hood and Sarah Russels family.
He has to be the main contender :)
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You're right, he is the only one where known family of the Gibsons and of Richard Gibsons wife Eleanor, Elizabeth Gibsons hubbie John Hood - their children -Elizabeth Hood married a COOK,
Elizabeth Cook nee Hoods daughter Eleanor ( married as Ellen in London a Mr Bentley) - her sons carried the Hood surname on.
All these people's names or surnames carried on in George Hood and Sarah Russels family.
He has to be the main contender :)
This below makes GH bapt 1786 more than a contender.
"George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead cannot be eliminated as cannot be identified as another George Hood with a future life after baptism"
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We just have to prove it :-\ :-\
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You're right, he is the only one where known family of the Gibsons and of Richard Gibsons wife Eleanor, Elizabeth Gibsons hubbie John Hood - their children -Elizabeth Hood married a COOK,
Elizabeth Cook nee Hoods daughter Eleanor ( married as Ellen in London a Mr Bentley) - her sons carried the Hood surname on.
All these people's names or surnames carried on in George Hood and Sarah Russels family.
He has to be the main contender :)
Hi Claire, dobfarm and All
Thanks for replies.
An afterthought, about my reference to the lack of the Gibson surname in James and Sarah Hood's children, yes we do have John Hood's (North Shields and Newcastle area) daughter Elizabeth marrying William COOK.
However, we still have PEARSON to fit in and possibly an ALFRED surname.
John Hood married an Elizabeth Gibson.
It is a shame that we have the documents to prove the middle names of Russell (George Hood's wife); Wilkinson and Arundel.
Use of Russell, proves the Russel side of George Hood's 1815 marriage and William Russell was in Sarah Russell's descent.
I suspect that where the sex of James and Sarah Hood's child was right (both the first and middle name tallies with the ancestor). In other cases, perhaps only the middle name tallies with an ancestor surname.
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Perhaps, there will be some reference in Bentley paperwork, to a known Hood.
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I suspect that George Hood's (married 1815) Mother, was a Cook or a Pearson and possibly Alfred fits in somewhere?
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If there was a Yorkshire Parish record, I wondered if it was transcribed incorrectly as WOOD.
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Reference books give the alternative for HOOD as HODD.
HUDD is another, with HUDE as a variation.
Kind regards, Mark
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Maybe they just called Alfred as a middle forename as it was a popular name at the time used by Queen Victoria's children or royal relatives.
Not all but most male common forenames names then derived from Kings, Princes (Alfred, Albert) ,Edward, John, William, James, Richard, George, Charles or biblical names Joseph coat of many colours, Peter, King David, Christopher (Christofer), Paul etc
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Elizabeth Hood wife of William Cook
Either John Hood's sister ( his wife Elizabeth Gibson married 1779 Newcastle) or George Hood's sister daughter of aforesaid John Hood
Either way that is (Aunty or Gt Aunty to James Hood who was father of Elizabeth Cook Hood).......... Mrs Elizabeth Cook nee Hood
James could not name his daughter after the aunties maiden name having a daughter named being Elizabeth Hood Hood - so named daughter her after her married surname naming his daughter Elizabeth Cook Hood
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Assuming George d 1845 Selby came from another family of Hood's
Same as above would apply if George's real dad had a sister or George himself had a sister named Elizabeth Hood who married a man called Cook
Being Aunty or Gt Aunty (Mrs) Elizabeth Cook (nee Hood) to James Cook father of Elizabeth Cook Hood son of George Hood
If this scenario is realistic, it could help in looking for a George Hood with a sister or aunty named Mrs Elizabeth Cook nee Hood
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If this is the correct family ? then things will start fall into place like the correct pieces of a jigsaw.
Info from accumulated research by Claire, Jomot, Mark, and BumbleB and recap of Rootschat posts on threads and LDS - F/S
(Elizabeth)
Elisabeth Hood (Mrs Cook) prob sister of George Hood bapt 1786 son of John
Baptism
15 April 1781
ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
father:
John Hood (Prob Mother Elizabeth Gibson brother of Richard Gibson a Cooper Selby)
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Christ Church
Eleanor Cook born 4 Sept 1805, christened 25 Dec 1805, 2nd daughter of William Cook of North Shields, Mariner, native of Suffolk by his wife Elizabeth Hood native of All Saints Parish [an entry for William 1st son states that William is native of Lowestoff (Suffolk)]
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Est Year of birth from death/burial age born 1781
County Northumberland
Place Tynemouth
Church name Christ Church
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Burial date 09 Jul 1814
Person age 33
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname COOK
Burial person abode North Shields
Relationship Wife
Male relative forename Wm.
Relative surname COOK
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George Hood Cooper died 1845 age 60 and married 1815 age 28 Est year of birth 1786/7 --- his son James and Sarah's (nee Arundel) family
Mary Ellen Hood b Selby 1853
Elizabeth Cook Hood b Selby 1854
Adeline Hood b Selby 1855
Sarah Hood b Selby 1856
John Wilkinson Hood b Selby 1858
William Russell Hood b Selby 1861
James Alfred Hood b Sunderland 1863
George Arundel Hood b 1866 Selby
Bernard Pearson Hood b 1870 Scarboro
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Thank you dobfarm for replies and setting this question out.
I've ordered two more post 1858 Wills, one is a Sister to my direct lineage, to check for any clue.
Hoping the Quaker Meeting Minutes will help.
Regards Mark
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If this is the correct family ? then things will start fall into place like the correct pieces of a jigsaw.
Info from accumulated research by Claire, Jomot, Mark, and BumbleB and recap of Rootschat posts on threads and LDS - F/S
(Elizabeth)
Elisabeth Hood (Mrs Cook) prob sister of George Hood bapt 1786 son of John
Baptism
15 April 1781
ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
father:
John Hood (Prob Mother Elizabeth Gibson brother of Richard Gibson a Cooper Selby)
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Christ Church
Eleanor Cook born 4 Sept 1805, christened 25 Dec 1805, 2nd daughter of William Cook of North Shields, Mariner, native of Suffolk by his wife Elizabeth Hood native of All Saints Parish [an entry for William 1st son states that William is native of Lowestoff (Suffolk)]
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Est Year of birth from death/burial age born 1781
County Northumberland
Place Tynemouth
Church name Christ Church
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Burial date 09 Jul 1814
Person age 33
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname COOK
Burial person abode North Shields
Relationship Wife
Male relative forename Wm.
Relative surname COOK
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George Hood Cooper died 1845 age 60 and married 1815 age 28 Est year of birth 1786/7 --- his son James and Sarah's (nee Arundel) family
Mary Ellen Hood b Selby 1853
Elizabeth Cook Hood b Selby 1854
Adeline Hood b Selby 1855
Sarah Hood b Selby 1856
John Wilkinson Hood b Selby 1858
William Russell Hood b Selby 1861
James Alfred Hood b Sunderland 1863
George Arundel Hood b 1866 Selby
Bernard Pearson Hood b 1870 Scarboro
James Hood, Tallow Chandler, Brother, of Joplings Buildings in the City of Durham, has been granted ADMINISTRATION in 1880 (year after the death of Sarah Hood of Selby in 1879) in respect of:-
Mary Hood, Spinster, who died 24th November 1854 at Selby
Ellen Hood, Spinster, who died 27th July 1855 at Selby.
So James Hood must have gone to Durham.
However, only two Admins for George Hood's four unmarried adult children?
Regards Mark
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The family were at Young Street, St. Giles, Durham in 1881
James, Sarah and four sons - John 23, William 21, George 18 and Bernard 10.
James, Sarah and Bernard plus Grandaughter Georgiana are in Derbyshire by 1891.
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Thank you dobfarm for replies and setting this question out.
I've ordered two more post 1858 Wills, one is a Sister to my direct lineage, to check for any clue.
Hoping the Quaker Meeting Minutes will help.
Regards Mark
These Admins were granted in Wakefield -so the deeds Admin/Wills book at Wakefield deeds registers in WYAS new building archives in Wakefield ( near Kirkgate Rail Station) may have some further info, by 1880 - insurances/deeds maps and any correspondence of socicitors (Byefield ? Selby businesses property) or may have nothing ??? Also unindexed related documents- these are in the Selby parish admin index book and non index (Peculiar Admin) holdings book used to be found in the old WYAS building (by Wakefield Tech College ) in the first point of call room where you sign in. Lichfield, Leigh , Sheffield, Manchester or Nottingham Archives could have Doc's related to Selby
Jane Hood bapt 1781 daughter of John Hood All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne (Sister of Elizabeth Cook nee Hood bapt 1781 All saints daughter of John Hood.-Possible sister of George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead son of John Hood)
Jane Hood X William Davison married Monkwearmouth 1803
Daughter Jane Davison bapt 1806 Sunderland
Son Richard Davison bapt 1809 Sunderland
Could have links to James Hood and wife Sarah Arundel native of Selby but living in Sunderland/Durham
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Thanks Claire and dobfarm
For £10 each, I'll get the Admin copies (besides the other Wills I'm waiting for), as there was obviously some reason why James Hood had to apply for the 1880 Admins in respect of two of George Hood's unmarried deceased adult children and not it seems, for the other two, who also died unmarried.
I expect they had either been left items by George Hood (Probate 1846), or hopefully a later bequest by a relative, which remained with George's Widow, Sarah Hood until her death in 1879.
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Cecilia Westley
My 2 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood (G.H.) was with his Wife, Charlotte Hood, at Hulme in 1871 (not too far from Bowdon in Cheshire). Charlotte Hood died.
When G.H. married Cecilia Westley in 1872 at Northampton, George Hood was living in the Parish of Bowdon Cheshire.
So a big question in my mind was how did George & Cecilia meet.
In the 1871 Census Cecilia Westley (age 21, born Brentford) was a Domestic at the Bull Hotel, in Leicester.
In 1871, the Bull Hotel Proprietor was Henry A Thomson (born Jarrow) and his Wife, Mary Thomson, was nee Mary Robinson, born Carlton, Yorks (1861 Stag & Pheasant, Leicester, has Selby in the Census). In 1851 the couple were at Lincoln and he was a Spirit Merchant and Mary Thomson was born Carlton.
Tracing both the Henry Abraham Thomson and Mary Robinson back, Mary Thomson was the Daughter of John Robinson, Farmer & Ann Eddel, and Mary was baptised at Carlton 1st January 1826.
The Marriage of John Robinson of Snaith and Chapelry of Carlton, Bachelor and Ann Eddell, Spinster, by Licence, was on 1st March 1821, in the presence of Witnesses:- Wm Storr; Hannah COOKE and Hannah Eddell.
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Do you recall the 1830 William Cockin of Snaith = Ann Robinson Marriage (at Hatfield), John Hepworth and William COOKE were their witnesses.
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It left me wondering if the two COOKEs were linked.
Regards Mark
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Marriage not online that I can see but Henry A Thomson and Mary Robinson married in the Selby district 1850.
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Sorry to veer off topic, but here is a marriage that seems to have it all ::)
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Thanks Claire
Elizabeth Hood, Widow ... if nee Pearson / Pierson, then that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons!
Got to see those Quaker Minutes.
Regards Mark
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That's a good spot dobfarm, will have to look at that
And this:
Here's an interesting one, don't really understand some of it
From the British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852 :
Date: 1808-1814
Rank: Armourer
Vessel: Acasta
Relation named: Mother ~ Elizabeth
By whom paid: ex: Berwick on Tweed
Good Morning Rootschatters
Thank you very much (on and offline), dobfarm and Claire
I've downloaded all 5 of the British Royal Navy Allotments 1810 -/+ 10 years, for George Hood, on FindMyPast.
Basically, there are at least two Navy George Hood Allotments in this search (circa 1800 - 1820), it seems:-
a) George Hood (with a Wi[fe] and Wi[fe] Ann) who was "By whom paid" Hinckley and Ex Hinckley.
b) The other one (being Claire and dobfarm's) example (Mo[ther] Eliz'th), "By whom paid" was Ex Berwick on Tweed. His Ship was given as ACASTA, so his place of birth would normally be in the R.N. Ship's Book.
So we either have a George Hood with a Wife Ann being paid Hinckley and Ex Hinckley, or George Hood with a Mother Elizabeth being paid "Ex Berwick on Tweed".
ACASTA
There are some records for the ship ACASTA covering 1808 to 1814 at TNA, Kew (so possible chance for Birthplace duplication), but there are NO ADM 36 after 1807 for ACASTA, where Birthplaces are known to be recorded.
FindMyPast have catalogued George Hood 1808 to 1814 "By whom paid" Ex Berwick on Tweed, so I'm wondering if there is some other record / info hidden away.
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The John Hoods found previously (Selby - Ex Scarborough and the other Newcastle / North Shields) were both Mariners (moving up and down the coasts), so until more information is gleaned, this George Hood cannot be ruled out.
Perhaps the Royal Navy had a Pay Office at Berwick on Tweed?
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HOODs on Ships in ADM 36 on FindMyPast
Places of birth should be under the Ship in ADM 36 at the TNA, Kew. A few Hoods on ships can be found on FindMyPast, but their database does not seem complete, or there is no ADM 36 coverage for FindMyPast to scan and transcribe (possibly the latter)?
circa 1810 -/+ 10 years ...
Charles Hood on BUFFALO, born Fulham.
John Hood on VICTORY, born Chatham.
Robert Hood on CALCUTTA, also a note ship AFRICAN Atf [possibly Ats Attestation?] Helena.
HOODs involved in the BATTLE of TRAFALGAR
Free TNA Search here (for 2nd attachment)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/
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Royal Navy HOOD ALIASES - Circa 1814 - 1815
Naval Records so far on FindMyPast have a:-
Rich'd alias Wm ROBSON alias Jos HOOD alias BLACK (title), also written as Jos HOOD and ROBINSON (see attach. covering 1805 to 1869).
Rd Robson as Rob't Robson 1815.
Rob't HOOD alias as Dan'l McMILLAN (1815) and alias David[?] McMILLAN (1814).
Robert HOOD or Sam'l McMILLAN 1814.
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Rang Wakefield and from 1858 Administrations at Wakefield (listed in the gov.uk Probate Calendar) have to come from the Probate Registry. The Wakefield Registry at their WYAS Office consists of Wills only from 1858, proved at Wakefield.
Regards Mark
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Will check these Alias Hoods for Wills - im sure I've come across one of them before. Definitely Hood alias something - I can remember reading it.
There is also a Robert Hood of HMS Signet, living in London - a mariner whose father John Hood is a farmer in New Malton, Yorks. Have we come across him before ? Will dated 1798.
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There is a family in Spittal not far from Berwick baptising children in the NC records. A Thomas and Elizabeth Hood, can only see two children but is in the right timeframe - possibly more children ?
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Thanks Claire
According to the photograph, the Royal Navy and Marines Greenwich Hospital Cemetery of about 20,000 (1749 - 1869), had the equivalent population of a Town!
Regards Mark
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HMS Acasta set sail exact date unknown for the east coast of America after the USA had declared war against the UK in June 1812 . By July 24 July 1812 she captured the privateer Curlew of the USA coast.
HMS Acasta Allotment sheet
Therefore if George Hood, Ex Berwick- under column ' When Allotment ceases date' its says 15th July 1812. Now whether this George Hood joined another ship or left the service of the RN ?
George Hood circa birth year 1786/7 was first recorded in land tax 1812 in Selby and this George married Sarah Russell on July 18th 1815 in Selby exactly on month after Land Napoleonic Wars finished June 1815. (reason coincidence or because he waited till the war ended to marry, because of chance he could have been recalled to service if on reserve RN while still at war)
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Thanks Claire and dobfarm
British Royal Navy Allotment Books - George Hood (transcribed as 1808 - 1814)
Ship ACASTA
George Hood, Mother Eliz'th ("By whom paid" Ex Berwick) ...
"When allotted" (on the ACASTA looks to be date)
25 Ap 1811.
"Why Allotment ceases"
"When"
15 July 12 [1812]
"Where"
[blank]
and column
"D"
"DD"
"or R"
He hasn't been DD [which is claimed to mean Discharged Dead] or D,
but looks like "D/q" [Discharged quarters, at a guess??]
"To what time paid"
15 July 12 [1812]
If his Service began as transcribed by FindMyPast (1808 - 1814), then there must be another record, of this somewhere?
Perhaps this George Hood spent most of his R.N. life in Quarters and not at Sea and the ACASTA was his only Ship, or was he transcribed on FindMyPast as George Wood?
R. N. Abbreviations
https://www.nmrn.org.uk/research/service-record-abbreviations
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754855.3
Regards Mark
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I'm still puzzled by the FS webpage
Google ----- England, Navy Allotment Records, 1795-1812 (Family search)
Them example doc pages are of 1831 and 1839 ??? but if the exist 1812
Then there are sailors signature for ones who could write, wife or mothers address.
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Thanks dobfarm
I got the original scan off FindMyPast (much clearer), but same as your print.
There is a massive amount of Royal Navy records in TNA, Kew and afraid that I am only familiar with a tiny amount of 1940 R.N.
So I have posted a request for any assistance here.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773979.msg6272357#msg6272357
Help with Royal Naval Allotment Books and Records circa 1808 - 1815?
Regards Mark
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Land tax records 1812 would end of 1812 tax year March 1813 allied end of Parish year
If this is the case, George Hood left the HMS Acasta July 15th 1812, then he was free of RN- Berwick place of Allotment payment being North east, Northumberland.
Perfect for George Selby 1812)
For the 18th century and much of the 19th century, ratings only signed up for a commission on a particular ship and was only employed for the duration of the commission. Therefore, naval rating's records are rarely indexed by name with no individual service records kept on a sailor. It is therefore imperative that the name of the ship is known to conduct research on a rating. After Continuous Service was introduced in 1853, centralised records were kept on individual ratings which established a professional structure to the Navy.
https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/royal-navyroyal-marines--muster-amp-pay-books-service-records--ratings-amp-officers-military/260/
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Yes, this George Hood's Birthplace, should be in the Ship's Book of the ACASTA in ADM 36.
But I could only find a few Ship's Books online (not the ACASTA) on the subscription site and wondered whether I was searching right?
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George Hood was in the Selby Land Tax from March 1812 (although I believe an 'Occupier' does not have to live there, but simply renting the premises from the owner, because some sub-let, or rented several premises).
... "Assessment made for one Year from the 25th Day March 1812" ...
Regards Mark
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Just edited my last post adding
Land tax records 1812 would be end of 1812 tax year March 1813 allied end of Parish year.
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There are seven Muster Books for the ACASTA 1808 to 1812 in ADM 37
(nothing listed from 1 Nov 1809 to 30 March 1811)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=ACASTA%20musters&_ep=ACASTA&_cr=ADM&_dss=range&_sd=1808&_ed=1812&_ro=any&_st=adv
Two Pay Books in ADM 35 covering 1806 to 1815
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=ACASTA&_cr=ADM%2035&_dss=range&_sd=1810&_ed=1812&_ro=any&_st=adv
There are two Master's Log Books April 1811-1813 (with a short break) in ADM 52 and Captain's Log Books Feb 1805 to Feb 1806 and April 1811 to August 1815 in ADM 51.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=ACASTA&_cr=ADM%2051%7CADM%2052&_dss=range&_sd=1810&_ed=1812&_ro=any&_st=adv
Hopefully a Birthplace location looks hopeful.
Mark
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About five min walk from NA Cheap B&B for such a prominent place £30 single £48 double room
https://www.thebestof.co.uk/local/richmond/business-guide/feature/shirley-royle-bandb
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4816208,-0.2818475,18.45z
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-before-1853/
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/records/ifa-royal-navy-ratings-1660-1945.pdf
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Thanks for the replies dobfarm
James Hood of Selby, was the same James Hood of Scarborough Tallow Chandler.
The Partnership of Newham and Hood, Tallow Chandlers, at Scarborough was dissolved in 1875.
(Thomas Newham and James Hood), see attachment.
Thomas Newham, died aged 78 in 1886, District of Scarborough.
Thomas Newham, died aged 59 in 1900, District of Scarborough.
The 1900 Probate Calendar states:-
NEWHAM Thomas of 11 South Street Scarborough butcher and farmer died 11 January 1900 Administration YORK 2 April to Thomas Hugill Newham butcher Effects £9631 10s. 10d.
Been looking at the Probate Calendars back from 1900 and found this:-
1893
HOOD Francis of 12 South Street Scarborough greengrocer died 25 January 1893 Administration YORK 6 May to Harriet Hood widow Effects £94 15s.
A Francis Hood and Harriet Pettyt, married in the District of York, June Quarter 1868.
Francis Hood living one house number away, from the former business partner (or his family) of James Hood of Selby?
Be interesting to see the marriage of this Francis Hood (born about 1845/1846, per death age of 47 years on Free BMD) and anything else that can be dug up please?
Regards Mark
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Marriage of Francis Hood
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Francis Hood bn 1846 Easingwold Reg. District: from GRO, mothers maiden name Loftus.
Parents marriage.
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The father Francis was consistent with a birthplace of Knaresbrough in 1811/12, one census his birthplace was forest lane head.
He was baptised 26 December 1814 Knaresbrough. Parents: Francis Hood and Susannah. Parents abode: Forest Lane Head.
Fathers occ: Husbandman
Marriage not online but Francis Hood married Susanna Webster in Knaresbrough St Mary, 11 Apr 1814.
There are two burials in Knaresbrough for a Francis Hood and a Susanna Hood, but would make them older parents, if them at all. But I can't see any more children either born to the couple.
BURIALS:
Francis hood buried 01 Nov 1829 Knaresbrough aged 78 birthyear c1751
Susannah Hood buried 05 Oct 1817 Knaresbrough aged 48 birthyear c1769.
Going back to Francis born 1846 - he had a sibling Henry born 1849 - Henry married an Elizabeth Gibson :o :o
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The father Francis was consistent with a birthplace of Knaresbrough in 1811/12, one census his birthplace was forest lane head.
He was baptised 26 December 1814 Knaresbrough. Parents: Francis Hood and Susannah. Parents abode: Forest Lane Head.
Fathers occ: Husbandman
Marriage not online but Francis Hood married Susanna Webster in Knaresbrough St Mary, 11 Apr 1814.
There are two burials in Knaresbrough for a Francis Hood and a Susanna Hood, but would make them older parents, if them at all. But I can't see any more children either born to the couple.
BURIALS:
Francis hood buried 01 Nov 1829 Knaresbrough aged 78 birthyear c1751
Susannah Hood buried 05 Oct 1817 Knaresbrough aged 48 birthyear c1769.
Going back to Francis born 1846 - he had a sibling Henry born 1849 - Henry married an Elizabeth Gibson :o :o
Thanks Claire
Regarding Francis Hood and his sibling Henry Hood born Crayke / Craike. Their Father Francis Hood was born Knaresborough about 1810 (alias Francis Hudd born Forest lane Head).
Elizabeth Hood (nee Gibson) was born SELBY, according to the Census I have saved. In 1861, her Mother Ann Gibson, W., aged 32 was a Railway Gate Keeper at Clifton City of York, born Burn (10 yrs later Born Balne) and Elizabeth Gibson was 8 years old.
In 1871 Elizabeth Gibson was a Domestic Servant at Sowerby aged 18.
Marriage 22 February 1873, Parish Church of St Olave Marygate, County of York
Henry Hood, age 24, Bachelor, Groom, Residence Sowerby, Father Francis Hood, Labourer.
Elizabeth Gibson, age 21, Residence Bootham, Father John Gibson (Dec.), Carpenter.
Both sign their own name.
Witnesses:-
David Gibson
Louisa Walker.
Interesting how Tim Schofield on Flickr has the grave photos of Matthew HOOD, Surgeon died Selby 1717 and William Walker (died Selby) and Robson and Robinson (elsewhere, some more recent).
Reply #31
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.31
William Walker of Selby in Abbey Floor
Sacred
to the Memory of
William Walker, who
departed this life April 5th 1811
Aged 52 Years [looks 32, but worn due to foot traffic, Selby transcription has aged 51], of Selby, Baker
Mr Schofield seems to claim that he can only link his family up, using information on a family paper, now lost.
One Francis Hood was from Craike alias Crake.
The Hoods of Nettleham Hall, Lincolnshire, have links with Craike, going back - John Hood of Craike
One Benjamin HOOD of Knaresborough was mentioned in QUAKER records
Mentioned in the Knaresborough Monthly Meeting 1721 to 1753, under Carlton Hill.
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/special-collections-explore/Quaker%20Collection?searchColumn=archiveKeyWord&query=Benjamin+Hood&browseQuery=Search&selection=Quaker+Collection&archiveLevel=All
Regards Mark
EDITED 13:07
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I downloaded many Yorkshire (mostly child) Burial images around the time of my George Hood's birth.
Burial
Knaresborough 20 June 1785
Mary the Dau: of Fran's & Ann Hood, Knares:
So there is probably also a Francis Hood and Ann, Marriage, somewhere too?
Don't know if hindrance or help, but I have a Hood & Walker BT image, 5th Oct 1767 York All Saints, there was a Samuel Hood of St Olaves marriage to Ann Walker of this Parish by Banns.
Regards Mark
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Not trying to putting a dampener on this ! but with all these Francis's ? one would think it would appear again in James Hood's family, if they were so close in relations with them, using family name Francis in their kids names and could have appeared as Frances as a girls name. Same goes for George's children's names.
Bearing in mind William Russell Hood his Gt Granddad William Russell
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Not trying to putting a dampener on this ! but with all these Francis's ? one would think it would appear again in James Hood's family, if they were so close in relations with them, using family name Francis in their kids names and could have appeared as Frances as a girls name. Same goes for George's children's names.
Bearing in mind William Russell Hood his Gt Granddad William Russell
Thank you.
Agree, if the middle names of James Hood's children are anything to go by, looking for surnames Cook; Pearson and Alfred (surname / first name) somewhere.
(Spelling aliases: Pearson - Pierson / Cook - Cooke)
James Hood's Mother was a Russell line.
EDIT: so one of those three outstanding surnames ought to be the mystery George Hood's mother.
Regards Mark
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Francis Hood and Susanna Webster marriage in 1814 at St Mary Knaresborough
Francis and Ann Hood baptised a Mary in 1791 Knaresborough St Mary
Knaresborough St Mary is a Roman Catholic Church
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On a positive note, Maudland and father John Hood of Selby was from Scarborough, the further back of Francis birth/bapt 1846 forefathers, there could be side shoot brother's descendant if from/linked to Scarborough, and if any were mariners linked to ports inland and on the east coast (Sea the M 1 of the mid/late 18th century also inland navigational canals). (Rivers Ouse, Derwent in York's, Nidd and Trent.)
James Hood -Tallow Chandler as any research been done on who thought him his trade and where.
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Thomas Newham who was in partnership with James Hood was a butcher on his marriage cert. - butcher & dairyman in all the census.
Would a butcher have a sideline making candles ? Possibly a silent partner.
Or is the other Thomas Newham the man we want - although he was a shipowner and land agent in census.
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Thomas Newham who was in partnership with James Hood was a butcher on his marriage cert. - butcher & dairyman in all the census.
Would a butcher have a sideline making candles ? Possibly a silent partner.
Or is the other Thomas Newham the man we want - although he was a shipowner and land agent in census.
Keep in mind Francis Hood of Pontefract (Knottingley)
Also George Hood apprentice indenture a butcher
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Thanks for replies
Apprentice George Hood, the Butcher (Morpeth), went on to become a Grocer and Innkeeper at Morpeth.
Newcastle Guardian and Tyne Mercury, 15 April 1848 ...
At Morpeth on the 8th inst., aged 68, much respected, Mr George Hood.
His house was called Percy Court, he had an Inn called The Lord Hood and also Percy Cottage, Morpeth.
His Apprenticeship listing in IR 1 Tax paid on Apprentices (TNA, Kew) was with a Butcher, but he became a Grocer and Innkeeper.
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With Percy Court and Lord Hood, I wouldn't be surprised if Hood of Morpeth was linked to Henry Percy Earl of Northumberland?
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Having said that, some Victuallers, were both the village Butcher and Publican.
Regards Mark
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
From Part 3 of the George Hood Burial where? ... thread (now completed)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg5964598#msg5964598
Quote from Goughy Reply #174 of 08 November 2015
Hi Mark
I thought it would be useful to just put down James and Sarah's family for "tracking purposes"
Mary Ellen Hood b Selby 1853
Elizabeth Cook Hood b Selby 1854
Adeline Hood b Selby 1855
Sarah Hood b Selby 1856
John Wilkinson Hood b Selby 1858
William Russell Hood b Selby 1861 [born 1860, registered 1861]
James Alfred Hood b Sunderland 1863
George Arundel Hood b 1865 Selby
Bernard Pearson Hood b 1870 Scarborough
In the 1871 Census, Mary Ellen Hood is staying with a Dobson family in Bowling, Bradford and is stated as "cousin". The head of household is Thomas Duckworth Dobson b 1829 Wakefield and his wife Mary Ann b 1833 London, Middlesex. Thomas Duckworth Dobson married Mary Ann Bateman in 1855 in Selby.
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Hello
First of all I am very sorry, for dropping 'Mary Ellen Hood' from the list of James and Sarah Hood's children because ...
I've just noticed ELLEN was a surname and George Hood's Mother could also be:- nee ELLEN, or Miss [something] ELLEN.
Mary Ellen Hood's 1873 marriage notice is attached.
Regards Mark
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Can anyone find anything on this couple - here is a transcript of a Faculty Office marriage licence, no town, county anything just the date and names
I can't find a marriage but wondered if there was an error with the grooms surname
Date of Licence: 7 Aug 1779
Mary ELLEN and William WOOD
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Can anyone find anything on this couple - here is a transcript of a Faculty Office marriage licence, no town, county anything just the date and names
I can't find a marriage but wondered if there was an error with the grooms surname
Date of Licence: 7 Aug 1779
Mary ELLEN and William WOOD
Hi Claire
Thanks.
No town or County, sounds like the Faculty Office of the Archbishop of Canterbury, currently at Westminster.
1533 Ecclesiastical Licences Act, created the Court of Faculties, with a Judge presiding over it and administered by the Archbishop's comissarye.
Any reference number, record series, please?
Possibly a Special Marriage Licence.
I'll contact Lambeth Palace Archives, can you email me a screen print please?
If it is Hood, perhaps this might explain George Hood's odd Non-Quaker, Quaker burial?
Regards Mark
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Most of these Faculty Licences - marriages took place in London, but can't see anything in London or anywhere.
Will email on :)
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Backtracking to John Hood - Ballast Hills, and Adam Hood etc.
Adam Hoods parents: James Hood and Isabella YOUNG
Baptism at Newcastle upon Tyne, St Nicholas. 13 July 1820 - Robert CANT Hood - son of John Hood and Barbara
Wonder if this is their marriage given the name of the witnesses : Hull 23 August 1809
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Faculty Office
If one party to a marriage lived in the Province of York and the other in that of Canterbury then a license to marry could legitimately be obtained only from the Master of Faculties of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The licenses issued by the Faculty Office are at Lambeth Palace Library.
Wherever the dividing border was between York and Canterbury (Derby area ? maybe)
either parties could live just either side of the border or the far extremities or one near the border and other at the far extremity.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_England_and_Wales
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Can anyone find anything on this couple - here is a transcript of a Faculty Office marriage licence, no town, county anything just the date and names
I can't find a marriage but wondered if there was an error with the grooms surname
Date of Licence: 7 Aug 1779
Mary ELLEN and William WOOD
No town or County, sounds like the Faculty Office of the Archbishop of Canterbury, currently at Westminster.
1533 Ecclesiastical Licences Act, created the Court of Faculties, with a Judge presiding over it and administered by the Archbishop's comissarye.
Hi
I'm picking this up as I go along, but my Father knew someone who wanted to get married in an unregistered building and the two options were:-
a) Register the building for Marriages or
b) Apply for a Special Marriage Licence
A duly authorised Registrar of the State also had to be present.
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Vicar General and Faculty Office Marriage Licence
Apart from the originals held by the Archives of the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Society of Genealogists (SoG) have them on microfilm. Find my Past entered into an agreement with the SoG.
The Faculty Office and Faculty Court stems from an Act, when Henry VIII fell out with the Pope and Rome, and the Pope lost his administrative authority here.
I am wondering if some were issued for Roman Catholic Marriages.
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I think dobfarm has mentioned previously that some Births* were just on slips of paper kept in a tin or box. [* edited to Births]
Families had their own Chapels like Hood of Bardon Park, Leicestershire. Other families had a Chapel room in their own house and some records are hard to find.
Not everyone believed in baptism at birth. The Quakers only have baby BIRTH records.
Dartington Hall, Devon and Walton Hall, Wellesbourne are two more examples that had a Chapel. Dartington Hall Churchyard has quite a few headstones of varying names.
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Claire, did you also search the surname ELLEN and HOOD surnames only?
Some family naming sequences don't always use the forename and surname together.
Thank you all for your help and ideas, when stuck for so long, I appreciate all the suggestions.
Regards Mark
EDIT: Thanks dobfarm
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I think dobfarm has mentioned previously that some baptisms were just on slips of paper kept in a tin or box.
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That was Quaker Births from on set of Quakers mentioned in monthly meetings - birth event written down on a bit of paper informally ! (considered not a big issue as C o E baptisms were) to late 18th century (about up to 1800)
Quaker birth mention was no more important than mention of farmer Jones had got a new farm dog. - probably a birth (Women's thing) was less important with the men in the Quaker community.
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Hello
Thanks for replies dobfarm.
Edited it to Births.
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Faculty Office
http://www.facultyoffice.org.uk/about-us/
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/425415d0-be0f-4346-9223-736eb1f64d20
Brief reference to Faculty Office and Vicar General (Society of Genealogists)
http://www.sog.org.uk/news/article/marriage-licences-at-the-society-of-genealogists
Regards Mark
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Found a transcript of the marriage
William Wood a groom of Hackney, Middlesex married Mary ALLEN by licence on 12 September 1779 in Eltham, Kent.
EDIT: Can't see any children born in Kent using Wood or Hood to parents William & Mary - but there numerous children born in London using both surnames.
Now to see if the image of the marriage register is online.
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F M P have updated their Yorkshire records. Have been checking to see if there are any baptisms I haven't looked at. Putting them down as interest but dates are not really what we are looking at.
George son of Richard Hed (not sure - the register is in appalling condition) and Rhoda (daughter of George Clegg) born May 24th 1780.
And another George Head Bapt. 1782 Rotherham - son of Robert and Jane.
Born: 23 March 1782
Bapt: 21 May 1782
George Huit Bapt. 1790 Mexborough son of Humphrey .
Another George Huit Bapt 1794 - Roman Catholic - son of Nic ? & M, at Hazlewood
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Thanks Claire.
Got these two 1880 Admins for George & Sarah Hood's two daughters.
Ellen Hood, late of Selby, in the County of York, deceased, who died on the twenty seventh day of July 1855, at Selby aforesaid a Spinster without parent and intestate ...
granted ... to James Hood, of Joplings Buildings in the City of Durham Tallow Chandler, the natural and lawful Brother, and one of the next of kin of the said deceased, ...
Sureties Samuel Jopling, of Western Hill in the City of Durham, Tallow Chandler, and Frederick Morgan, of Sadler Street, in the City of Durham, Grocer.
Effects under £100 No Leaseholds
Extracted by James Chambers Solicitor Durham.
To prevent confusion the words "without parent" is incorrect at the death date, because their Mother Sarah (nee Russell) outlived these two daughters.
Regards Mark
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Mary Ellen Chapman nee Hood - her daughter Elizabeth married a Morgan. Think that family were from Sheffield - steel manufacturers I think.
EDIT - was there a post on the Hoods in Newcastle or am I losing my marbles ?
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Mary Ellen -Though two forenames are sometimes picked intentionally too be used as one name in speech ie: "Mary Ellen" Walton in TV "Waltons" (mountain) USA
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Yes I remember the Waltons
"Night Jim-Bob" and all that :)
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Mary Ellen Chapman nee Hood - her daughter Elizabeth married a Morgan. Think that family were from Sheffield - steel manufacturers I think.
Thank you Claire
Brilliant, the family is widening out.
A researcher, hopefully will find the John Hood buried NC at Ballast Hills, because I just cannot rule anything in, or out 100%.
I've got to have another look, as the piece/s required is/are not online!
Regards Mark
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Hi
What if George Hood & Sarah Russel's first witness was "James COOKIN" in 1815.
I wonder what the images actually say please?
1765 (Marriages 1538- 1973)
James Cookin married Anne Easton, at Luddington
(Births and Christenings 1538- 1975)
Michael Cookin baptised 21 May 1820, Parents James Cookin and Mary.
1841 Census
James Cookin born circa 1817
Enjoy the John Cookin pic, it is one of the most striking old epitaph's I've seen for a Son.
Regards Mark
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That's a pretty beautiful Memorial :)
First marriage
EDIT: Worcestershire records not online
Hope the census is the one you mean - in Barnborough, Yorkshire
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Claire
Oh thanks, I thought Cookin was in my imagination.
This signature is all I've got directly linked to George Hood's 1815 Marriage.
Kind regards, Mark
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Does his occupation say Miller ? - Could be the son of a miller
Was Chester Newby something to do with Corn, or have I imagined that ???
EDIT: There is a James Cookin Will (not online) Date: 09 Jul 1850
Place: Rowley Regis
Jurisdiction: Diocese of Worcester
Archive: The Hive, Worcestershire
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Thanks Claire
Yes, Chester Newby (George Hood's Marriage Bondsman) was a Miller.
I've got a Death Certificate for a Thomas Cookin, aged 75 years, who died 6th May 1847 at Luddington and the "Death in the Sub-district of Swinefleet" was No-Mans Land!
Because on the top, it stated "in the Counties of York, West Riding and Lincoln"
William Hood of Hull LCC 1810 Will may be interesting.
Regards Mark
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I had thought about boundaries with other counties regarding looking for a birth for GH. I recently helped out on a thread where the parish I was looking at was Sedbergh.
One site the records were in Yorkshire, the other the records were in Cumbria. If GH was born in a close to the border town/hamlet/village - we could be looking at any number of places for him around Yorkshire, without him realising what county he may have been born in even.
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A nearby Lane has a Bin lorry do 3 houses on one side and our Council Bin lorry does the couple of houses on the other side, because town boundaries run down the middle.
Perhaps Madam Hood gave birth on a boundary ;D
Regards Mark
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GH is certainly pushing the boundaries with us isn't he ;)
Was Sarah Russels mother the one that married the Goldsbrough man ?
Found a Thomas Goldsbrough as an executor in a Will ( Thomas Tarbottom of Selby innkeeper) -his wife Elizabeth being a beneficiary.
And a Thomas Goldsbrough in the Navy musters on board the Royal Oak in 1781 - that's the ship the other George Hood is on in the records we've seen ?
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Grrr!! When I compared his marriage certificate signature to the other, I though I had the man ::)
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GH is certainly pushing the boundaries with us isn't he ;)
Was Sarah Russels mother the one that married the Goldsbrough man ?
Found a Thomas Goldsbrough as an executor in a Will ( Thomas Tarbottom of Selby innkeeper) -his wife Elizabeth being a beneficiary.
And a Thomas Goldsbrough in the Navy musters on board the Royal Oak in 1781 - that's the ship the other George Hood is on in the records we've seen ?
All of P.2 (Jane Casson Hood) thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.9
1840 Will of Thomas Gouldsbrough of Selby (over two posts)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770770.msg6236112#msg6236112
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A nearby Lane has a Bin lorry do 3 houses on one side and our Council Bin lorry does the couple of houses on the other side, because town boundaries run down the middle.
Perhaps Madam Hood gave birth on a boundary ;D
Regards Mark
In those days the most direct travel to the nearest church by road was not always in the same parish or county, applying more in winter from a place of abode and not unusual to find entries in PR's with abode cross boundary,
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Hello
Thanks Claire and dobfarm.
Since Henry VIII (from circa 1533), at least Three Special Licences were applied for, involving a HOOD, what dates and who were they, please?
Might be worth trying aliases HUDD and HODD too (sometimes both ending E).
Owing to the Two Months 1815 marriage delay between the Selby Court Bond date & Marriage date it might be worth trying RUSSEL and RUSSELL too.
Thanks, Mark
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Hi Mark
Before 1755 the Vicar General issued 77 licences to surname Hood & variants
After this date through the Faculty Office 344 were issued.
From the transcripts how can we determine which were 'special licences'
Can you give us some examples of what you've found :)
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Right,found one:
Selina Hood married Francis Mason ( Captain of the Ratler sloop) at Catherington Hampshire 16 April 1805.
Selina Hood was baptised 18 September at Catherington, parents Henry Hood ( Hon. Colonel) and Jane. Selina was also the Grandaughter of Lord Viscount Hood.
Wondering if Henry is the one that married Jane Wheler by licence at St Michaels Coventry 10 September 1774.
The surname Wheler seems familiar with the Hood surname.
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Hood of Bridport:
Sir Alexander Hood married Mary Sophia Bray by special license at St Marylebone, London 26 June 1788, her being only heir of Thomas Bray of Edmonton.
Worth noting he married three times and left no issue.
Firstly to Maria West daughter of Richard D.D. Prebendery of Durham
Thirdly to Elizabeth daughter and co-heir of John Sadlier
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Hi Claire
It was on Soc. of Genealogists website, searching Hood.
http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records
Whilst searching for info about the Faculty Office, the SoG seem to have a lot of HOOD search returns now.
Some of these Special License applications, for an application to Marry, took place in private chapels and houses.
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Wondering if the surnames, in middle names of James Hood's children might be the other party in some.
I'm looking again at Scotlands People Marriages. The only familiar John Hood, was the John Lionel Hood of Newcastle marriage in Scotland, I've more forenames to try.
Regards Mark
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I think it rather depends where the couple chose to marry - I've read that if a marriage took place away from a church the minister may never have entered or possibly forgot to enter details into the register.
If we do find any that piques interest - we will find it if it exists.
Will check known surnames against Hood, there was an early Hood/Russell marriage - did clock that when looking.
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Thanks Claire, been thinking today about Richard Taylor's comments, that his line (from James Hood), seemed to think we moved about. George Hood's Son James Hood moved about.
We have only come across two Mariners, both John Hood, one married a Gibson. The other Jane Hood (buried Aug 1803 Selby), her nee surname unknown.
Regards Mark
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Maybe time to take stock of what you have acquired Mark, and there is plenty. Actually there could be something in info you have already gathered in the past that could lead somewhere.
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Hood of Airmyn Hall, Goole
An "Assent" document of 1908, Executors of the Late Francis Wheler Viscount Hood, witnessed at the Buckingham Palace Hotel S.W.
The Assent is signed by Edith Lydia Drummond Hood (witnessed by Dorothy V Hood of The Manor House [?] Sussex, Spinster) and Alexander Frederick Hood (witnessed by Sibill Hood of Airmyn Hall, Goole) of Airmyn Hall, Goole in the County of York.
There are also references to Grosvenor Arthur Alexander Hood now Viscount Hood and another witness, a representative Captain Victor Napier Ward.
I've wondered for a long time if George came to Selby from the Navy, or if he was illegitimate of some family.
Kind regards Mark
(post #172)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg5959984
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HMS Acasta ??? 1812
Something to research
Based on possible scenario of known linking surnames, dates of interest and a port of Hull
Gibson the Cooper Wren lane Selby
George son of Hannah Gibson of Cottingham (Hull area) (illegitimate) bapt 1786 father ? ( Hood ? )
Jno Hood father Robt — Hull, Holy Trinity bapt 1739 (possible John Hood mariner buried 1819 aged 82 (born 1737) Selby
Land tax - owner property Micklegate, J Spencer his son lived in Cottingham - occupier Mr J Hood
Micklegate crosses Wren Lane Selby
regards Dobby
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This man Mr Schofield who claims to be a descendant of Matthew Hood. I've been looking into William Walker of Selby, baker. I have his Will - beneficiaries - Wife Susannah ( nee Moxon) and son William.
This Walker family didn't originate in Selby - they were from Thorne, near Doncaster. William Senior was born 1759 son of a William W. He married Susannah and their only child ( I can see) and son William was born 1783 Thorne. At Some point they moved to Selby.
Another Walker baptising children in Selby is a Thomas Walker (wife Elizabeth Smith) - he too from the baptism of one of his children was from Thorne ( son of a Thomas - probable cousin of the above William ? ). He also had a son William in 1793.
When this William Walker (son of Thomas) married Sarah Sefton in Selby in 1815 - the witness was Maudland Hoods husband Charles Turner ( compared signatures fron his wedding). They were both blacksmiths.
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Now lets go back to the William Walker buried in Selby 1811 - his son William bapt. 1783 Thorne
There is an 1851 census entry of a WILLIAM WALKER born c1783 THORNE - the only one born there using +/- few years either side - a visitor to a Judith H(awkin) Bell nee Wall ( married John Bell of Snaith at St Alkmund, Derby in 1810) , William W is with a wife ANN, both are listed as visitors.
He is also a retired MILLER.
William and Ann Walker baptised 7 children that I can see. Three of them being William, Ann & James in Independent Chapels in Doncaster between 1811-1822 - a miller on all baptisms
Now look back at the census posted in #559 - now is that a coincidence that a James COOKIN is there with William Walker - miller ?? Age a bit out - but what do you think ?
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Thank you Claire
My Selby Parish Trancriptions ...
17 Sept 1785 Henry BACON ...
1. Confirm Henry Bacon was a Tanner, a Surgeon and Apothecary of Selby, dying aged 60 and buried in the body of the Church
2. Henry Bacon's wife was Hannah Hood, daughter of Mr Hood of Selby, Surgeon.
Think a Hood of Selby, has married a Smith too, circa ?1730s?
Walker and a younger James Cookin (son perhaps) in same 1841 Census household? Millers too.
Regards Mark
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Samuel Hood marriage 1733
married by Licence - I can't see any transcript of it. FS do have ages Samuel was 47 bn c1684 and Elizabeth was 37.
F M P have a transcript of the marriage taking place at Snaith 25 Dec. 1731 and an image from the register of Selby says 1733 ???
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When Thomas Pearson Cockin married in Doncaster 1804 - two of the witnesses surnames were Walker.
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This man Mr Schofield who claims to be a descendant of Matthew Hood. I've been looking into William Walker of Selby, baker. I have his Will - beneficiaries - Wife Susannah ( nee Moxon) and son William.
This Walker family didn't originate in Selby - they were from Thorne, near Doncaster. William Senior was born 1759 son of a William W. He married Susannah and their only child ( I can see) and son William was born 1783 Thorne. At Some point they moved to Selby.
Another Walker baptising children in Selby is a Thomas Walker (wife Elizabeth Smith) - he too from the baptism of one of his children was from Thorne ( son of a Thomas - probable cousin of the above William ? ). He also had a son William in 1793.
When this William Walker (son of Thomas) married Sarah Sefton in Selby in 1815 - the witness was Maudland Hoods husband Charles Turner ( compared signatures fron his wedding). They were both blacksmiths.
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Now lets go back to the William Walker buried in Selby 1811 - his son William bapt. 1783 Thorne
There is an 1851 census entry of a WILLIAM WALKER born c1783 THORNE - the only one born there using +/- few years either side - a visitor to a Judith H(awkin) Bell nee Wall ( married John Bell of Snaith at St Alkmund, Derby in 1810) , William W is with a wife ANN, both are listed as visitors.
He is also a retired MILLER.
William and Ann Walker baptised 7 children that I can see. Three of them being William, Ann & James in Independent Chapels in Doncaster between 1811-1822 - a miller on all baptisms
Now look back at the census posted in #559 - now is that a coincidence that a James COOKIN is there with William Walker - miller ?? Age a bit out - but what do you think ?
Jane Hood burial 1803 Selby wife of John Hood a mariner.
John Hood X Jane Bell married 18 May 1769 Alnwick Northumberland
Est age Jane Hood born 1738
married 1769 (As above- if them)
Est age John Hood born 1737
Alnwick (Alnmouth) and Selby both 18th century ports
Coincidence ??? on names but also on age and no other marriage to fit Jane Hood burial age 65 in 1803. ?
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Thank you Claire
My Selby Parish Trancriptions ...
17 Sept 1785 Henry BACON ...
1. Confirm Henry Bacon was a Tanner, a Surgeon and Apothecary of Selby, dying aged 60 and buried in the body of the Church
2. Henry Bacon's wife was Hannah Hood, daughter of Mr Hood of Selby, Surgeon.
Think a Hood of Selby, has married a Smith too, circa ?1730s?
Walker and a younger James Cookin (son perhaps) in same 1841 Census household? Millers too.
Regards Mark
Samuel Hood marriage 1733
married by Licence - I can't see any transcript of it. FS do have ages Samuel was 47 bn c1684 and Elizabeth was 37.
F M P have a transcript of the marriage taking place at Snaith 25 Dec. 1731 and an image from the register of Selby says 1733 ???
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When Thomas Pearson Cockin married in Doncaster 1804 - two of the witnesses surnames were Walker.
Hello
Thanks Claire.
1733 Samuel Hood = Elizabeth Smith, intended to Marry at Selby OR Brayton.
One thousand seven hundred and thirty three one which Day appeared personally Samuel Hood of Selby ... aged above forty Seven Years and a Widower. Attachment from m/film.
The Bond confirms Samuel Hood of Selby a Yeoman and his Bondsman was Joshua PYMONT per signature of the [Crlty?] of York Yeo.
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A Nathanael Hood of Brayton had a Son Samuel baptised 16 December 1733.
A Nathanael Hood had a Daughter Elizabeth at Brayton 25th January (Eccls Year) 1735/6.
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Re the Tim Schofield research, who has Robinson and Walker and Bacon links to Matthew Hood (d.1717) of Selby.
Claire, you have made a (same household link and Miller occupation 1841) link, Walker to a younger James Cookin (too young for 1815 Marriage, but possibly a Son of James Cookin on G. Hood's 1815 Marriage at Selby) and
also a Pearson Cockin, Witnesses Walker.
Thomas Walker and wife Elizabeth Smith, baptising some children at Selby.
A Charles Turner (husband of Maudland Hood) signature on a Wm Walker 1815, Selby Marriage.
1830: We know a William COOKE was a witness at the Wm Cockin of Snaith and Ann Robinson, Marriage at Hatfield.
Walker and Bell link and
dobfarm's John Hood and Jane Bell marriage, estimated age?, (for Jane Hood of Selby burial in August 1803)
Great research! Keep working the magic and see where it goes to?
EDIT: Thanks dobfarm
2nd EDIT: Regarding the Miller occupation, there were also John Hoods of Costa Mill, Millers.
We'll search the Yorkshire newspapers for Walker.
Regards Mark
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Joshua Pyemont/Pymont and other variations was an Innholder - died 1741. Married twice - 1729 to Sarah Nelson and 1740 to Mary Cave.
Appears in Freedom of the City of York records also in the Deeds registers numerous times.
I don't understand these records so make of it what you will - Indenture of lease between J Pymont and Nathaniel Staveley of Pontefract - houses on Skeldergate: occupied by J Pymont, Mr Hodgson and a William Cocken.
It was part of an inheritance from the Will of an Edward Brough.
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What do we know about the Samuel Hood's born in Selby ?
Have an inventory of the goods of one man dated 1738, Surgeon and barber. Wife Elizabeth.
Is he the one that married in 1733 or is there another ?
There is a Samuel Hood in York too - a brickmaker - had a daughter Mary who married a Mr Cuss. Think he married a couple of times.
From his burial in York in 1794 - he was 87, so birthyear c1707.
And another in Selby son of Nathaniel.
So many Hoods :-\
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Joshua Pyemont/Pymont and other variations was an Innholder - died 1741. Married twice - 1729 to Sarah Nelson and 1740 to Mary Cave.
Appears in Freedom of the City of York records also in the Deeds registers numerous times.
I don't understand these records so make of it what you will - Indenture of lease between J Pymont and Nathaniel Staveley of Pontefract - houses on Skeldergate: occupied by J Pymont, Mr Hodgson and a William Cocken.
It was part of an inheritance from the Will of an Edward Brough.
Hello Claire
Thanks Claire.
Signature also looks like Pyimont on the Marriage Bond.
If no Release, then Pymont is Leasing the Skeldergate Houses to Staveley of Pontefract, possibly for a term of Years.
Mr Pymont; Mr Hodgson and Mr Cocken were all occupying the property/houses.
Mr Cocken a coincidence, I wonder.
But are we digressing a bit too far, looking at Pymont?
Charlotte Nelson was linked to Samuel Hood family, but that was later (1806 Marriage St Mary-le-bone and likely not our Hoods).
Another John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, made a Marriage Intention / Bond 1778 with Sarah Hammond at St Giles. The Duchess of Hamilton was linked to Nelson and I believe the Hammond name was also linked in somewhere.
My Father wanted to see the steam locomotive called the Duchess of Hamilton, then at Butlins, but did not want to buy a day pass to get in, so I just about recall walking through grass and peering through Butlins boundary fence as a small boy, where my Father got a photo of the loco.
Probably digressing, but we don't quite have confirmation of who George Hood of Selby really was.
Definitely going to get more info re George Hood and H. M. Ship ACASTA too.
My Father as a young man had an interest in Ships and we looked at boats when the opportunity arose.
Regards Mark
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Apologies if this has been put up before- it's for my benefit - so I don't keep having to look through all these threads :D
Nathaniel Hood married Elizabeth Faucet or Hancet ( transcribed as Hancet - but not sure) 19 August 1707 - Selby. Think possibly he may have been a widower as there is this burial
Isobel wife of Nathaniel Hood buried 24 May 1707 Selby.
Children Bapt. at Selby
Elizabeth Bapt: 8 July 1701 - father: Nathaniel.
Samuel Bapt: 13 Feb 1710
father: Nathaniel
Nath Bapt: 19 June 1708
father: Nath
Lydia buried 1714, father Nathaniel.
'Child' Hood buried March 1721 , father Nathaniel.
A burial possibly at Heslington
1752 - Nathaniel Hood -'householder' buried 29 Jan 1752.
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I apologise for digressing too far with the Pymont chap - but the way I see it - I check everything. I'd hate to miss something important.
It's about finding one little acorn that may lead to the big oak tree.
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Thanks Claire
Set out the early 18th Century Hoods of Selby (from my Selby Parish transcriptions and the Will of Roger Hood of Selby), of each Hood marriage and their KNOWN child events at Selby and suggesting which child may have been buried at Selby. Scan attached.
Children Baptised, Married or Buried outside of Selby (in other Registers) are not included.
Somewhere, there must be a Hannah Hood baptised, because she married Henry Bacon?
PCC Wills (One an alias and one Hood Hamilton)
George Hood, Able Seaman 1797 (can't remember if considered before)
Richard Hood alias R. Griffiths 1798, Mariner.
James Hood Hamilton 1821 R.N. Surgeon, Middlesex.
Because this is simply an odd name one and it is Newcastle.
William Whood otherwise Hood 1751 All Saints, Newcastle.
Regards Mark
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Hi
What sort of time period is the marriage of a Hannah Hood to Henry Bacon ? I can't see it at all.
Couple of Hannah Hoods in Selby though
Hannah Hood married Joseph Backster 8 Sep 1702 Selby
Hannah Hood bapt. 6 Aug 1717 Selby, father Sam.
Can't see a Todd/ Hood marriage - wonder if he was a John Todd - he appraised the goods of Matthew Hood in the Admon.
Closest : John Todd to Ann Hide 03 Dec 1710 Millington.
Henry Hood burial states parentage: father: JOHN Bacon & Hannah dau. of Mr Hood surgeon.
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Extract quote from Goughy
Burial
Henry Bacon of Selby Surgeon and Apothecary son of John Bacon of Selby Tanner by Hannah his wife daugh of Mr Hood of Selby aforesaid Surgeon 17 September (1785) in Selby Church aged 60
There was a Henry Bacon baptised 19 January 1764 son of Mr Henry Bacon
A Henry Bacon (batchelor) was buried 13 May 1811
Only Probate Record listed is for Henry Bacon (Batchelor) ADMINISTRATION Nov 1819
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Me
In short Hannah Hood was Henry Bacon's mother
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Extract quote from Goughy
Burial
Henry Bacon of Selby Surgeon and Apothecary son of John Bacon of Selby Tanner by Hannah his wife daugh of Mr Hood of Selby aforesaid Surgeon 17 September (1785) in Selby Church aged 60
There was a Henry Bacon baptised 19 January 1764 son of Mr Henry Bacon
A Henry Bacon (batchelor) was buried 13 May 1811
Only Probate Record listed is for Henry Bacon (Batchelor) ADMINISTRATION Nov 1819
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In short Hannah Hood was Henry Bacon's mother
Thanks dobfarm
York District Probate Registry
Prerogative Act Books
1814 - 1817 Volum 16 (at start of film)
Borthwick MF 1214 Prerogative AB Aug 1815 - Feb 1822
Henry Bacon Admin November 1819
The third day of the month aforesaid Admon of the goods &c. of Henry Bacon late of Selby in the County of York (having &c.) a Bachelor deceased intestate (as it is asserted) was granted to Mary Varley Widow his Sister and one of the next of kin ...
John Bacon Elizabeth Pearce Widow Michael Bacon and Judith Smith the wife of William Smith the Brothers and Sisters and remaining next of kin having renounced ...
She having been first sworn &c before the Reverend William Bulmer Clerk Surrogate (Saving & c.) Sworn under £50 and Bond is entered -
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John Bacon June 1762 Selby MF 1210
Admon.
... John Bacon late of Selby ... Pcavinger[?nearest word Scavenger] ... deceased Intestate as it is asserted was granted to Isabela Bacon his Widow and relict
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Probate Register V.100 folio 27 in MF 1014
John Bacon May 1756 Selby Will summary
I John Bacon of Selby ... Timber Merchant .. I give unto Judith my dear wife the house I now live in ... I give unto my said dear wife the use of my Tanyard with all other Buildings belonging to the same also two pews in the Church also part of the park the two Veverses Carlton Lane Close and the house call'd Boys House which I hold under Lady Stourton for & during her natural Life she paying all Rents Land Tax and Assessments to begin and commence at Lady-Day one thousand seven hundred and fifty five ...
paid out of the Close called Mosse Close at Brayton also I give to my son Henry Bacon Ten pounds one year after my decease ...
Son William Bacon
Son Francis Bacon
Dau Hannah Bacon
... Eldest Son John Bacon who I make my Sole Executor ...
I desire Bacon Morritt Esq of York and my Brother Mich'l Bacon to be Trustees ...
Witnesses Jo' Lambert, Eliz Shipton, Mary Shipton
Passed the Seal 22 May 1756
Comment
No Hood.
Boys House - Lady STOURTON has to pay all Rents, Land Tax and Assessments.
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Henry Bacon died Selby 17 September 1785, Henry Bacon, a Tanner, was the Son of John & Hannah (Dau of Mr Hood of Selby, Surgeon.
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Selby Peculiar 1738
Elizabeth Hudd Widow
Hudd Samuel of Same [of Selby] J:ul 20
An Inventory of the Goods and Chattles of Samuel Hudd Late of Selby in the County of York Barber Surgohn Deceased. Appraised by us this Tenth Day of August 1738 [Sic]
Note made signed Elizabeth Hood
Selby early 18th Century using Hudd and Hood, but obviously the same.
Regards Mark
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In them years they put a 'e' on some surnames Woode Wodde Hudde Hoode
First names us put on Willimus on infants or later at adult it became Williami or Willi or Gillimous or Gilli ~~ Edwardus-Edwardi -Eddi
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Borthwick Microfilm 822 YORK All Saints Pavement, says that:-
Samuel Hood of St Olaves Parish & Ann Walker of this were published in this Parish ye 20, 27, & 3d of October 1767 ...
The said Samuel Hood of the Parish of St Olaves and Ann Walker of this Parish were married in this church by Banns this fifth Day of October in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and sixty seven by me Edward Bracken Rector
Samuel Hood X his Mark
Ann Walker her O Mark
Thos Saiuiag
Philip Tate
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There is a lack of Hood in the Selby registers in the mid 1700's but there are references to the family in York - which I think is worth a shot looking into too.
John Bacon tanner is mentioned in the Deeds register ( either son or husband of Hannah hood)
John Hood barber/surgeon in the Deeds register (1741/2)
And this Samuel Hood ( marriage in BushInn's last post) - given his age at burial wondered if he could be the son of Nathaniel.
Back at Selby:
Eleanor Hood married Joseph Champley 13 Aug. 1721. That's a name that's cropped up a few times too.
Hannabe(t)h ? Dau of Mr H surgeon Bapt: 2 April 1719
The marriage of Hannah Hood (in my last post ) to Joseph Backster - this is Mr Hood surgeon's daughter. So she was born before 1700. Here is her second marriage
John Bacon married Hannah Baxter of Selby on 10 May 1711 at Hemingborough.
Will put the Nathaniel Hood marriage on the thread so we can all decide if it's Hancet or Faucet - the latter makes more sense but I'm not sure.
Somethings to look into -
marriage at Aughton near Selby ( image not online)
Dauid ( David ?) Hurd married Mary Cooke 1 Nov. 1681
Ann dau. of Robert Cochen Bapt: 31 Dec. 1706 Selby.
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Hi
Claire, that was the impression I got, plenty of Hoods at Selby early 18th Century. Many die off, but I suspect one or two moved or married away.
One Samuel Hood of Selby turns up buried at Thorganby.
We looked at some Reply #141 and adjacent
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5785728#msg5785728
According to a Selby Baptism of Susannah Maria Fisher in August 1789 to John and Jane Fisher, John Fisher was the son of Michael Fisher of Armin, Mariner, by Hannah [nee Hood] his wife, dau of Saml Hood of Selby, Surgeon.
Looked at Fisher Admin and/or Will, like the Bacon Admins and Will, no help.
Nathanael Hood having children at Brayton 1733-35, possibly linked to Selby.
Possibly a John Hood of Rocliff, might be from Selby and survived?
Property Memorial Documents
Regarding the HOOD Deed Memorial copies you refer to, does the source give you:- Place, Person's Name, date, Volume, Page and Folio?
You had to own property back then, to vote:-
The Poll for the City of York, 1741 page 33 ...
Names Hood John. Trades Barber. Place of Abode Rawcliffe.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=750788.msg5996765#msg5996765
Regards Mark
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The Deeds registers seem to get better as time goes on. Some are very basic with info and just name parties involved - others I've looked at have 'notes on inheritance, who married who, 'son of 'etc. etc. - place they are from. I will put up an example :)
No folio numbers - just a name of the person(s) involved and the date it happened. Looks like it says it is - a register that has been made alongside the original documents.
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Right here is a copy of the register with the marriage of Nathaniel Hood
And a clip from the Deeds register - A Mr Weddall from Selby, just a short one, some are quite long
You can search the register by a name, place or occupation
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http://www.sovereign-ancestry.com/settlement.html
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DEEDS REGISTER
There are three entries regarding a John Hood or Hudd
A John Hudd of Killington dated 03 Jan 1727 - Can't tell what this one is but looks like a 'fine from A Pilkington to John Hudd.... a John Leadley also gets a mention.
John Hood barber/surgeon - certificate of exemption of Toll? or Poll dated 3 March 1740
John Hood 23 Dec 1742 - an Indres of lease release , names lots of people.
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One of The Hoods in Selby leaves bequests to nieces and nephews Camp. Their father is German Camp, mother Jane - both die before 1715. So possibly another Jane Hood , I can't see a marriage as yet.
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Hello
Thanks for the Replies Claire and dobfarm.
Deeds Registers
Claire that Deeds Register folio, looks like the actual Deeds Memorials themselves (which were all, only very brief summaries of the Deed).
Are all the Yorkshire Riding Deed Registries searchable online 1700 to 1850, or just some online, on a subscription site?
I am aware that Yorkshire Deeds were Registered at Wakefield; Northallerton and I believe the other Registry was at Beverley?
Roger Hood of Selby - Deeds Registry Search
Wakefield have already done a paid search in respect of the characters in the Will of Roger Hood and it was inconclusive.
dobfarm, I've seen 19th Century transfers of the Poor from one Parish to another Parish, used very successfully by researchers on T.V.
Quaker
George Hood was buried by the Quakers as "Not in Membership" and I believe the answer to his Birth may be hidden away in Quaker records and we'll need to holiday in Leeds.
Ballast Hills Nonconformist Burial Ground - Newcastle
The paid search for the John Hood burial in Registers (& any other Hood/s found), noted in an 1827 Book, is acknowledged and I await a reply.
Some of the Hoods at Gateshead were NC and some Hoods generally were NC at burial.
The L.D.S. film of the Burial Ground, appears to be an M.I. list of the Memorials only.
Thank You
Thank you to all Rootschatters who have generously posted and helped.
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark
The dataset that F M P have released is just for the city of York. Included records are
York Freemen & Apprentices
Hearth & Window Tax
Militia & Muster Rolls
Calendar of Prisoners
Deeds registers
If they release more I shall let you know.
Have you searched the Hearth Tax Mark - 1672 - there should be Hoods on it - we would get a good idea of forenames etc. to look for
http://www.hearthtax.org.uk/search/
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Thanks Claire
Now I know the 8 Deed Memorial copies I've got, are not online, I don't feel so bad. They are interesting and nice to have, relating to my Ancestor George Hood!
There might be a development with one and I've got a Quaker question.
The Quaker Marriage is not on LDS Family Search.
Regards Mark
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John Bacon of Selby, tanner Edward Hodgson of Kingston upon Hull, woodmonger 2. John Watson of Whitby, master mariner Recites that the house in Baxtergate, Whitby, stands as security on a mortgage to John Watson for £110 7s and interest. There is now due to John Watson £5 10s for interest. Now, John Bacon and Edward Hodgson for £55 over and above the said mortgage money secured on the house in Baxtergate, Whitby, paid to them by John Watson, assign to him the messuage, house and yard on Baxtergate, Whitby for the remainder of the term of 500 years as expressed in the original lease of 19 Apr 1673
https://archivesunlocked.northyorks.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=Z.132%2f6&pos=2
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Reply #75
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6102137#msg6102137
Hello All
Nothing to get too excited about, but many people (Casson of Thorne, George Richardson of Selby and Richardson of Hull and elsewhere) and places previously discussed, including the Proctors and Hutchinsons of Selby!
The Richardsons had even been Tanners at Whitby, also Tanners at Newcastle and a reference to the Cook surname too, well Captain Cook.
Even an Isabel Richardson born 1777 (daughter of Henry and Hannah Richardson of Whitby) who married Henry Casson. Isabel Casson also being a Quaker, dying 1857 aged 80.
The Richardsons were Tanners at Low Light / North Shields Newcastle. John Richardson Proctor (son of Joseph Proctor of North Shields) apparently took over his uncle's works, of William and Henry Richardson, the Low Lights Tannery.
Loads of Marriages listed at the end, including Proctor and Hutchinson of Selby and a George Richardson born Selby, who married in New York.
Records of a Quaker Family: The Richardsons of Cleveland
1889
https://archive.org/stream/recordsofquakerf00boyc#page/n9/mode/2up
Great book, but quite incredibly, absolutely NO reference to any Hood or Hord, not even William Hood who had married Jane Casson.
Perhaps a mention of my George Hood and John Hood of Selby (John Hood married Sarah Richardson of Selby, at Sculcoates, Nr Hull) were only omitted, as neither were Quakers and as Jane Casson did not marry a Richardson, she was also omitted?
Regards Mark
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NO Hoods in Selby in the Hearth Tax 1671 ?
I would have thought there would be.
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
From Part 3 of the George Hood Burial where? ... thread (now completed)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg5964598#msg5964598
Quote from Goughy Reply #174 of 08 November 2015
Hi Mark
I thought it would be useful to just put down James and Sarah's family for "tracking purposes"
Mary Ellen Hood b Selby 1853
Elizabeth Cook Hood b Selby 1854
Adeline Hood b Selby 1855
Sarah Hood b Selby 1856
John Wilkinson Hood b Selby 1858
William Russell Hood b Selby 1861 [born 1860, registered 1861]
James Alfred Hood b Sunderland 1863
George Arundel Hood b 1865 Selby
Bernard Pearson Hood b 1870 Scarborough
In the 1871 Census, Mary Ellen Hood is staying with a Dobson family in Bowling, Bradford and is stated as "cousin". The head of household is Thomas Duckworth Dobson b 1829 Wakefield and his wife Mary Ann b 1833 London, Middlesex. Thomas Duckworth Dobson married Mary Ann Bateman in 1855 in Selby.
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Hello
Thanks Claire, only a Hood at Carleton, in the old Yorks Hearth Tax (per book written), but Hearth Tax are too early, I feel.
This property wheeling and dealing involving George Hood in 1838, which William Hood of Selby his Son held in Trust (used by James Collinson) and later offered for sale in 1864 by William Hood the Sole Trustee.
The other former Trustee was Thomas STANDERING, according to a recent document from the Borthwick, attached with Collinson's Will.
Looking at the PCC Will of Thomas STANDERING of Selby (written 1848) his Daughter was Mary BURTON and his Granddaughter was Elizabeth BURTON. William Standering was left a property consisting of about 100 acres on the Levels in the Parish of Hatfield a farm aforesaid on the Levels called Grow[?] Trees.
Looks like GEORGE HOOD might be getting his backing, or connections from STANDERING linked to the RUSSELL and BURTON, side of his 1815 Marriage?
Possibly linked to the Burton Family of Turnham Hall
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F24743
Looks like they have links to Richardson and Robinson etc. ...
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/special-collections-explore/461467
1803
At Lancaster, Mr. Taite, wine and spirit merchant, in York, to Miss Sarah Russell, of Selby.
Regards Mark
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Makes a change looking in Lancashire records
St Mary Lancaster by Licence 23 April 1803
William Taite a widower merchant of All Saints York, to Miss Sarah Russell of this town.
Both signed.
Witnesses: Mary Higgin, John Higgin and Jane Houseman.
John Higgin married Mary Houseman 1784. He was the keeper of HM Gaol in Lancaster she was of Skerton
Regarding Sarah Russell - given her husband is a widower and his numerous records in the Deeds records, I'm thinking the couple were older rather than younger. There is a baptism of a Sarah Russell in Selby 1768 - daughter of Mr Russell, supervisor ?
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Thomas Standering was originally from Thorne. His wife Elizabeth nee Crabtree was the daughter of a Joseph C who was a Tanner from Selby
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Thanks dobfarm (earlier reply) and Claire
It is amazing a few sentences in the Selby Parish Register for Sarah Russell's descent and how Rootschatters have linked in Thomas Gouldsbrough (confirmed in the Manor of Selby Copyhold records I found in Hull, along with his Will (Borthwick) and the Byefield, Selby documents I purchased from a Dealer) and now Thomas Standering's Will linking him to Mary Burton.
I've got Burton's Book on the History of Hemingbrough and the tree with those Richardson's, at first glance they don't seem to be the same as Sarah Richardson marrying John Hood (my 3 X Gt. Grandfather).
Mark
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Edited my post.
We're 'your' Richardsons - watch and clockmakers ? - from Sarah's baptism
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Hi Claire
John Hood & Sarah Richardson
Unfortunately, the Father's Name and Occupation on their 16th August 1846 St Marys Church Sculcoates Marriage are both blank.
When Sarah Hood (nee Richardson) died 13th June 1886, she was 66 years old, so she would be born about 1820 (Selby).
I should be very interested to see Sarah Richardson's father was a Clock Maker?
Standering and Burton
Standering and Burton, Ousegate, Selby, were Wine and Spirit Merchants in William White's 1837 Directory, later becoming Standering and Burton Limited of Selby.
George Hood of Selby
This might explain why George Hood acquired a load of property in Ousegate in 1838, I know at least part of the property was kept in Trust by the Hoods and used by James Collinson.
I'm wondering if the other part of the Ousegate properties acquired by Hood in 1838, might have been used by Standering and Burton.
I could never understand why George Hood purchased a part of Ousegate, because he was already set up with Wren Lane and 4/5ths share of a House (divided into three) in Gowthorp with Yards, Buildings, Garden and Orchard. George Hood acquired the last 1/5th before he died.
Pitt and Pearson
Interesting that a George PEARSON was in a similar Wine Trade etc?
George Pearson left the partnership in 1838.
Mark
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Mark
When I sent you the Cemetery plot plan, you will see the 3 Hood graves are in the same area as the Standering/Burton/Richardson graves. If you remember I noticed it when a colleague was sharing his research on the Standering/Burton family. I'll ask if he'll email his findings (I did listen to his presentation but got distracted when he put up the cemetery plan!)
I haven't yet made a connection between your Mary Burton's (who marrried William Russell) father Edward and the Burton's who married into Standering family (i.e. Mary Burton married Thomas Standering in 1826) Edward was a wheelwright, and if I remember on the searching I did last year when he died he was a wood dealer (can't remember which thread that would be on)
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Hi Goughy
Thank you, I would appreciate any help, it would be useful to see if Thomas Standering (Ship Builder); 'Standering and Burton' (Wine and Spirit Merchants) and the Burtons mentioned in Thomas Standering's Will, are the same Burton family linked to Sarah Russell?
I noticed that the John, Sarah and infant Alice Annie Hood graves in Selby Cemetery were adjacent to a number of Standering, a Carr? and several Goldsborough graves, etc.
Hannah Richardson was on the Hood Headstone, you kindly photographed.
I added a bit about Pitt and Pearson (George Pearson), also Wine, Spirit, Tea, Coffee Merchants.
Regards Mark
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Just dropping information so it's not lost in threads again as I can't find thread I put it on before
Edward (Mary Burton's father who married Wiliam Russell) was son of Thomas Burton Roper Selby and his wife Jane
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Hi
William Richardson married Mary Blenkin in Hemingborough 1816. ( Parents)
A daughter Hannah baptised 1817, SARAH was baptised 1819 and brother John was baptised 1821, there are possibly more siblings.
John & his wife are a few doors away from Sarah Hood (widow of GH) on Gowthorpe in the 1851 census. On the cemetery plan you put on the thread, John Richardson & wife are at the top of the column where your Hoods are third in the column
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Hi
Thank you Claire.
Richardson of Selby Clock.
http://www.laurelbankantiques.co.uk/antique-grandfatherclock-longcase-clock-by-richardson-of-selby.html
Goughy managed to get a photo of part of the Selby Cemetery Plan (Reply #423)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6250177#msg6250177
Regards Mark
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That's brilliant ;D ;D
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There is a George Hood enlisting in Manchester June 1800 for the Foot Guards, and from Knaresborough area, probably to early.
Just checking each entry as I get to them.
Claire,
Its just possible if George lied about his age 2 years if he was a boy who had developed early ( needed to shave)
Can you elaborate further exactly what information you eventually gathered on this George Hood and your thoughts on this George so we can jointly pursue further research on this George.
George Hood of Selby married 1815 age 28 and died 1845 age 60 both PR events held in Selby approximate age born 1785/7 in 1800 would have been 13 to 15 years old (nearly 16 years old ?)
Recruitment in the British Army 18th and 19th centuries recruits ranging from 17 to 50 years of age
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recruitment_in_the_British_Army
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That is as much as I know. I've put the signature up - which I still think looks a little like GHs handwriting.
If he's part of the Knaresborough Hoods ( thinking back to the Francis Hood we looked at last week - who when looking was found to be living in the same street as J Hood tallow chandlers business partner) - there is a good chance there was some Catholicism in the family - and I'm struggling with records for them.
It's also possible GH of Selby may have fibbed about his age. It would account for not being able to find a baptism for him - younger or older. I do feel broadening the search is worth looking at - given on some of the records his age differs.
We also need to rule GH from Gateshead in or out. I feel of any of these people we have looked at he is the strongest 'suspect' we have.
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The guy enlisting in the Foot Guards in your post is definitely the guy from Bonden - the dates match with his service record which I've checked. This GH from Bonden would be 10 years older. So it really is a stretch. But I can't find a baptism - I don't even know where Bonden is - the enlistment paper says Knaresborough ( is it somewhere near there - you are the Yorkshire man dobfarm gimme a clue :)
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Ah!! This may be it
'Bond End' Knaresborough :)
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Bondene is in Gateshead but bond end Knaresborough fits this Manchester enlistment ???
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Well that has put the cat amongst the pigeons :)
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Well that has put the cat amongst the pigeons :)
My Granddad was baptised in Wales village near Rotherham Yorkshire 1867, by 1868 his father had moved to Bolsover in Derbyshire and always thought he was born in Derbyshire by censuses.
Thus John Hood publican Ship inn Gateshead could have moved pubs to Knaresborough
George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead father John Hood
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Right I've found a couple baptising children in Sessay ( modern day mapping 18 miles from Knaresborough - without using that - 12 miles.
Richard Hood married Mary Clark by licence 1770 Cundall ( he was from Kirby Wiske on the marriage)
Children baptised in Sessay: George 1779, Ann 1783, Eleanor 1787, Hannah 1785, Jane 1790, Sarah 1791.
If he was from Knaresborough - I can't see a baptism. Nothing else in the area that I can see.
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The guy enlisting in the Foot Guards in your post is definitely the guy from Bonden - the dates match with his service record which I've checked. This GH from Bonden would be 10 years older. So it really is a stretch. But I can't find a baptism - I don't even know where Bonden is - the enlistment paper says Knaresborough ( is it somewhere near there - you are the Yorkshire man dobfarm gimme a clue :)
Thanks for the replies.
"Sgt George Hood of Bonden of the 1st Foot Guards 1800-1814 (previously 2nd West Yorks 1793 -1800) was discharged 8 Sep 1814. His previous trade was weaver, he was 5'9 and a half, sallow complexion, dark hair and light brown eyes, about 40 years of age."
Sorry to poor cold water on this. He is about 40 in 1814 and a different trade, a Weaver.
Some considerable time was spent here, for reference ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728347.msg5778938#msg5778938
My George Hood's Age
I'm fairly confident that my George Hood's 28 years of age (16 May 1815 on Bond or Alleg too), is a death in his 60th year on 18 September 1845 (possibly 59 years of age). I've seen a few newspaper Obits where it was said in his / her 50th; 60th or 80th year etc.
1841 Census
It is bad for Family Historians, this rounding down (of up to nearly 5 yrs) on the 6th June 1841 Census, but 54 years and 11 Months, down to 50 yrs, could give 59 years in 1845.
Navy
A copy of the Navy record will take some weeks.
John Hood buried Ballast Hills NC Burial Ground (mentioned in 1827 book)
This is awaited soon.
George Pearson of Pit and Pearson, Selby, Wine Merchants
The dissolution of their Partnership in 1838 (snippet Image a few posts back). My Selby Parish Transcriptions from earliest to 1812, don't have even one George Pearson recorded, but quite a few George Pearson deaths later, in the District of Selby:-
Free BMD Sep 1837 to Dec 1880 (age GRO)
1846 aged 33.
1855 aged 63.
1858 aged 83.
1867 aged 16 (George Edward Pearson)
Possibly worth looking at?
Regards Mark
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George Hood Gateshead bat 1786 father John
A John Hood publican at the Ship inn Gateshead. ( maybe same John Hodd with lack of other John Hood's in Gateshead.
The Yorkshire Gazette (York, England), Saturday, August 30, 1845
Lot 7
One undivided half part of all the great and small tithes arising from the vicarage of Ainderby Steeple, and the Glebe lands in that township and Warlaby, comprising of 65 acres, or thereabouts.
The tenants will shew lots in their respective occupations, and futher information can be obtained at W D Dighton esq., Northallerton; John Watles esq., Rounton Grange, near Ingleby Cross; John Eteson., Knaresborough; John Hood esq Nettleham inn , Lincoln; and of Mr Atkinson, Solicitor, Northallerton.at whose office plans of the farms maybe seen.
August 27 th 1845
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This could possibly be him
Married by licence Selby Abbey
George Pearson a merchant from Abberford married Ann Watson 30 May 1822
Witnesses: Edw. Watson, E R Watson, Mary Watson and Mary Pearson
EDIT: 1846 death of a George P was 33 buried Selby.
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Baptised a son William Watson Pearson in 1823. Occupation a merchant.
1851 census the family are in the Hambleton area of Selby - George Pearson is now a commercial traveller of 'stuffs & Woolen goods' - well that's what it looks like.
George Pearson dies in 1855 - left £5000 in his Will.
Born in Aberford 1791 -to parents Thomas and Sarah Pearson.
Wonder if this could be him :-\ the occupation is putting me off.
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Parents marriage is a mine of info but may be him after all
Marriage Sherburn in Elmet by licence 25 Nov. 1790 Thomas Pearson & Sarah Cooper.
Thomas Pearson aged 40 an Innkeeper of Aberford son of John Pearson farmer of Otterington and Hannah his wife dau. of Thomas Meek of Winton farmer.
Sarah Cowper ( signs Cooper) aged 28 of Aberford dau. of John Cowper farmer of the same place and Elizabeth his wife dau. of Francis Robinson.
Both signed
Witnesses: Hannah Meek and Robert Medd ?
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Thanks dobfarm and Claire
Nothing further required Claire on this particular George Pearson at the moment, thank you.
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I've got Hoods at South Otterington (in 1840).
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Since I've started looking for possible Hood/s of mine, Hoods are cropping up everywhere 1780 - 1851.
Regards Mark
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Yes I've checked too - no George Pearsons before 1812. There are Pearsons though. One couple James Pearson - wife was a Mary Hurst - dau of Samuel H of Knottingley.
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Yes I've checked too - no George Pearsons before 1812. There are Pearsons though. One couple James Pearson - wife was a Mary Hurst - dau of Samuel H of Knottingley.
Hi Claire
An Emma Hirst, born Ledsham, a Visitor in 1891 with Charles Hood, born Selby (My family tree, but on another Line)
1881 Residence 30 Beancroft St., Castleford
Joseph G Hirst, born Hailsham 1855
Emma Hirst, born Ledsham 1854
Amy Hirst, born Castleford 1878
Oliver Hirst, born Castleford 1881
Marriage Jan - Mar Quarter 1877, Tadcaster District
Joseph Goulton Hirst
Emma Tindall
CHARLES HOOD of SELBY
Reply #50 - 53
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6069524#msg6069524
Marriage Ledsham 20 March 1877
Joseph GOULTON Hirst full bachelor, mason of Ledsham. Father: Oliver Hirst - currier
Emma Tindall full spinster of Ledsham. Father: George Tindall - farmer.
Witnesses: Jesse Clegg and Susan Whiteley.
Variant of GOULTON - Golton - witness at Richard Gibson wedding was a Golton whose sons wife went on to marry Chester Newby.
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Samuel Hirst of Kellingon was known to have contacts with a few Hoods then living WHITLEY & Kellington area and a George Hood.
1833
Tuesday 9 July
At Kellington, a fine day but it was very like rain in the morning.
I am just expecting Mr Hood and his friend to dine out of (?) today, they are staying at Askern.
Mr Hood came and dined with me.
Called and looked at Mr Earnshaw's rams.
I took supper at Hutt Green.
Friday 27 September
At Howden Show, a fine day.
Wm Dickon bought a gig horse of Penty of York for £31/10/0 and he bought a fine hunting horse 4 years old of Mr George Hood for £63/0/0. I lent him £35/2/3.
My expenses are 8/6.
I paid Goodworth for Miss B - £7/0/0.
I received of George Auty for Miss B £10/0/0.
Mark
EDIT: There was a Thos HOOD of WHITLEY 1835
http://www.kellingtons-independent-website.co.uk/page54.htm
WHITLEY was where Chester Newby was bapt. in August 1790
Benefice of Knottingley and Kellington with Whitley
http://www.achurchnearyou.com/benefice.php?B=46/181
Currently ...
Whitley Bridge, All Saints
Knottingley, St Botolph
Kellington, St Edmund
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Baptism
I agree with dobfarm that C of E / Anglican baptised their children.
However, nonconformists were seen as opposing C of E / Anglican church. They would be attending their own Meetings, not attending a Parish Church and likely very few, or none would baptise their children in the Parish Church.
One of the reasons for having a Marriage Licence and an Marriage Allegation / Bond, was that some were not attending the Parish Church and couldn't qualify the Banns requirement to be attending 3 Sundays in a row. Others wanted to marry in a hurry, or keep the marriage private etc.
If the surviving NC records for Selby don't start until 1797 and 1811 and the NC were not attending the Parish Church, there will be some children with no birth or baptism record before those dates.
This might be my problem (no birth record), so I've either got to:-
prove somehow belt and braces that Geo Hood baptised 1 Oct 1786 Gateshead, is mine.
But I have conflicts re George Hood:-
1. 1841 Born Yorkshire (very occasionally these can be wrong)
2. Marriage by Licence, Allegation & Bond (we can rule out:-
a) privacy, due to advertising the Marriage in a Yorkshire newspaper (Hull) and
b) Quickie Marriage, due to two Month delay)
3. Children baptised 1816 to 1835 (perhaps Mum Sarah who was baptised, insisted on her childrens baptisms)
4. The Quakers bury George, his Widow and their adult, unmarried children as "Not in Membership".
5. Gibson's Bankruptcy Commission File doesn't survive. Where cases are referred to the Lord Chancellor for an opinion, notes are made, but no referral indexed.
6. There is no Tax paid on an Apprenticeship record, so we don't know if he trained as a Cooper, or was simply a businessman, running a Cooper business. There is no newspaper advert regarding taking over the Cooper business.
7. A George Hood appears for one year only in the Land Tax in 1813 at Knottingley. George Hood appears in the 1812 Selby Land Tax onward and this could be his first property in 1812. Richard Gibson must have carried on for about 2 years, after getting his Certificate of Conformity in March 1810, before George Hood seemingly took over in March 1812.
8. We don't know what happened to Richard Gibson, nor his burial place and date? In 1810 Richard Gibson was at Little Britain, London, but appears to have returned to Selby.
9. The Selby Burial Register 1803 does not tell us who Jane Hood was previously, only that she was married to John Hood of Selby, Mariner, aged 65 (possibly young enough in 1785 to father a child) and by using Maudland Hood's information and Scarborough St Mary's baptism (seen) confirm they came from Scarborough, seemingly moving to Selby about 1781, living in the residence of John Turner and then John Spencer of Selby Gentleman. The house John Hood was occupying in Millgate, Selby in 1802, was transferred from John Spencer to Thomas Hembrough.
But no idea where Jane married or came from. Jane could of had George (illegitimately) before her marriage to John Hood the Mariner, but we can't check.
10. No Father's Occupation, or Mother's name on a 1786 Gateshead Baptism record. T & W confirm the other Register only has the same information.
11. Property dealings from circa 1833 suggests a lot of contact between George Hood and Quakers and Independents.
12. George Hood becomes a Brewer between 1824 to 1826, and later acquires from John Clarkson of Newport, Eastrington, the former premises of Henry Mitton, Maltster of Snaith.
John Clarkson of New Port, Eastrington, a Farmer, was also listed as a MILLER in 1823 Baines.
T & W Archives say generally re Ballast Hills Newcastle NC Burial Registers, that they should record person's name, the place (district) in the town, age and occupation. I'm hoping there may be other snippets.
Thank you for your efforts, Mark
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Early Selby Churches and Chapels (Mountain 1800)
Selby Abbey Church
Presbyterian Chapel, Millgate, rebuilt about the year 1690.
Quaker Meeting House, Gowthorp, errected about the year 1784 [Online RG records earlier than this]
Methodist Meeting House in Millgate, errected about the year 1785.
About 1780s
Catholics Meeting in the Steward's House of the Manor of Selby.
Regards Mark
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm, I'm reviewing Scotlands People for Scottish events, so will try your suggestions too.
Selby, Presbyterian circa 1690 to 1797
However, Selby Presbyterian - Date of Foundation, was prior to 1707 (See also Mountain, published 1800, transcribed in the quote above with a few other notes), but I don't know why the Registrar General only acquired their Baptism & Burial Registers from 1797 to 1836 ...
Perhaps 90 YEARS of MISSING SELBY PRESBYTERIAN births and baptisms in TNA, Kew, RG (Registrar General) Series, online?
Perhaps pre 1797 Births and Baptisms, are in an Archive, or at the Selby Chapel, or area/regional Chapel today?
72. SELBY (Presbyterian)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=__5bAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA70&lpg=RA1-PA70&dq=Selby+Presbyterian+1784+1785&source=bl&ots=9MnGMMXfsC&sig=5RMHDNRdn3CxuX4X-29pF7eRuSU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-1Z_BqfnUAhUmD8AKHYGjD_0Q6AEIIjAC
Another book useful to researchers.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=EzUJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=Presbyterian+Chapel+Selby&source=bl&ots=wJoN8qd83v&sig=wzAFp0_uOptBiB4I2zEEc-4vc44&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiczdD9qPnUAhXhCcAKHd5LBRgQ6AEIYDAF
What is recorded in the book (in the 1st link) is also confirmed by the TNA catalogue ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6242971
Advised Mrs H, that a visit to see Quaker Minutes is important.
Presbyterianism is known to have Scottish / Irish links, so emailed WYAS.
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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KELLINGTON
Is Kellington the same as Killington ?
One of those John Hood Deeds was from there. Possibly same family as the Thomas Hood you have edited into the post above, perhaps ?
EDIT: William Collinson - where was he from ? Noticed Deeds for him, linked with an Etty family - dobfarm sent me a link about GH a Collinson and Elly ??
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KELLINGTON
Is Kellington the same as Killington ?
One of those John Hood Deeds was from there. Possibly same family as the Thomas Hood you have edited into the post above, perhaps ?
EDIT: William Collinson - where was he from ? Noticed Deeds for him, linked with an Etty family - dobfarm sent me a link about GH a Collinson and Elly ??
Hi Claire
1838 Registration
COLLINSON and OTHERS to ELLY Deed Memorial
transaction 1836 (quick note) ...
James Collinson of Selby ... William Collinson of the same place Butcher and George Hood of the same place Brewer of the one part and Ann Elly of the City of York Spinster of the other part ...
Looks like Ann Elly, but these Registrations are written very quickly.
Kind regards Mark
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There are lots of Elly entries on there - a couple with a William Collinson ( Brewer) I'm going through any known surname - just incase something crops up or a Hood transcribed wrongly - and they are fascinating to read :)
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Hello
Claire, Killington is probably an old spelling variation, of Kellington and the document you have found this in, is dated 1727.
Railroad Book
Has Whitley, a township in the Parish of Killington, County of York. 4 m. further Pollington.
1799 Agricultural Survey
Parish of Killington has 4 Townships
1. Killington.
2. Beaghall.
3. Egbrough.
4. Whitley.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YchMAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA97&lpg=RA1-PA97&dq=Whitley+Killington&source=bl&ots=aukqAxQ1hc&sig=BRZNYHDUY9zCMwWsAE32pvwbZsM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiurMzogPrUAhWFIsAKHWp1AKwQ6AEIMDAG
e.g. Killingworth, Warwickshire in old documents, is Kenilworth.
Regards Mark
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14th March 1727
Probate of the Will of Roger Hood of Selby
In the name of God Amen I Roger Hood of Selby being weak of Body but of perfect understanding Do make this my last Will and Testament – in manner and form following (Viz.) … I give o’in manner following first I give to my Brother Nathaniel Hood, my Sister Eliz: Middleton & my sister Ann Todd my dwelling house and orchard & appurts thereunto belonging to be equally divided among o’in & Do hereby give and bequeath each of ye above mentioned p’ties an equal share in ye above mentioned house and orchard lyeing or being in Ouzegate I give also to Mr John [unrecognised surname] Mosli & Ann Barker liveing in Wren Lane five pounds in Trust for the only use & benefit of my Nephew German Camp to be given to him in such way & proportions as the abovementioned Mr Mosli & Ann Barker shall see and think proper to give him I also give to my Nephew German Camp the Bed and Appurts belonging to him standing in the Chamber I also give to my two Neeces Sarah and Mary Camp all the wearing apparrele linnen & wooling belonging to my Late wife Except the Cloak w’ch I give to my sister Middleton. Lastly I appoint my Brother Nathaniel Hood my Sister Middleton & my Sister Todd Exe’trs of this my Last Will & Testam’t. I give o’in all my goods & Chattells debts & Creditts my Legacys debts and funeral Expenses being first discharged In Witness whereof I set my hand & Seal this 14th March 1727/8 Roger Hood. Witness Geo: Hutchinson, Peter Leaper Ann Nutt. [sic].
Roger Hood was buried Selby 18 March 1728.
Regarding the Will of Roger Hood of Selby (my copy is from the Howard - Vyse collection) - I thought Mosli, but I agree with Claire, the spelling could read Mush - John Mush.
1728/9 John Mush was a Presbyterian Minister at Selby (supported by the Hewley Fund)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Selby/Selby-Mill-GateCongChurch.html
Page 345
https://archive.org/stream/congregationalis00mial
Lady Sarah Hewley
(John Hewley was from Wistow near Selby)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Hewley_Trust
No Selby Presbyterian births/baptisms 1707 to 1796 at WYAS, I've had a reply.
Regards Mark
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Back to the Selby Hoods.
An interesting record of Samuel Hood is sons 'Samuel & Bainbridge. Clip below.
And this marriage in Copgrove: Sam: HOOD of Knaresbrough & Ann BAINBRIDGE of Farnham, married by Licence 10 May 1713.
EDIT: A daughter Elizabeth born in Knaresborough Feb 1715, but buried 1716. Then no other records.
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Back to the Selby Hoods.
An interesting record of Samuel Hood is sons 'Samuel & Bainbridge. Clip below.
And this marriage in Copgrove: Sam: HOOD of Knaresbrough & Ann BAINBRIDGE of Farnham, married by Licence 10 May 1713.
Hello
Thank you, very interesting to see the image snippet, Claire.
Sam: Hood of Knaresbrough (marrying a Bainbridge) and Benjamin Hood (mentioned in the Quaker Minutes).
Bainbridge Hood married a Pearson and Beverley and also Bainbridge/Banbridge used to name Hood children at Selby.
Mark
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Yorkshire Gazette, 6th November 1819
On Monday last, at Knaresbrough, by the Rev. Aaron Manby, Wm. J. Calvert, Esq. of Averham, Notts., to Miss Bainbridge, daughter of the late John Gibson Bainbridge, Esq., of Brompton, Middlesex.
Interesting the Daughter of a J. Gibson Bainbridge, married at Knaresbrough.
Left me wondering if there might be a slight possibility of a Gibson of Selby link.
Regards Mark
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The Hoods in Beverley appear right back into the 1600's.
The first time I can see a Bainbridge Hood mentioned is Bendbridge Hood baptised 22 Apr 1690 Beverley, son of Robert.
Robert Hood married Elizabetha Robinson in Beverley 23 Jan 1688.
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There is a baptism of John Gibson Bainbridge in Hampsthwaite Yorkshire on 17 Feb 1746 father Edward Bainbridge.
John G B married in London by Licence to Mary Edwards in 1781. From the marriage licence age consistent with the Hampsthwaite birth and he was a Wine Merchant.
His father Edward it would seem was the Vicar at Hampsthwaite - who from what I can see from other sources married twice, one marriage given below ( from his record at Cambridge Uni) and again to an Elizabeth Gibson. But cannot verify this at the moment, it's a bit late.
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Back to the Selby Hoods.
An interesting record of Samuel Hood is sons 'Samuel & Bainbridge. Clip below.
And this marriage in Copgrove: Sam: HOOD of Knaresbrough & Ann BAINBRIDGE of Farnham, married by Licence 10 May 1713.
EDIT: A daughter Elizabeth born in Knaresborough Feb 1715, but buried 1716. Then no other records.
Hello
Thanks Claire.
I'm wondering if the Sam Hood of Knaresbrough who married Ann Bainbridge, is a stand alone marriage; or possibly linked to the Hoods at Selby OR Beverley.
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Middle Names of James and Sarah Hood's Children
Been looking at the middle names of James Hood (Son of my George Hood) & his Wife, Sarah Hood (nee Arundel /Wilkinson).
Only Russell appears to be what I would an Ancestry Descent surname (furthest back) on the Hood side and we know that belongs to George Hood's wife Sarah Russell, so one of the other surnames ought to be George Hood's, Mother.
Chester Newby and Cookin (Cockin) - MILLERS
The Newby and Cookin (definitely linked on documents to my George Hood) were MILLERS.
COSTA MILL
John Hood of Costa Mill, was a Miller.
The water course "Costa Beck" is seen at the main road (West of Pickering), roughly half-way between Pickering and Middleton. (The road East of Pickering is direct to Scarborough).
Been trying this COSTA MILL in the newspapers and not only is John HOOD, a MILLER and cornmiller appearing with that address, but also a John PEARSON of COSTA MILL (Pearson - both spellings).
John PIERSON, also a MILLER appears in William White's 1840 ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Wf80AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA460&lpg=PA460&dq=Pearson+%22costa+mill%22&source=bl&ots=UBXcfGkduH&sig=nSZABjsuZ37WWXXvgwCT6lVm4ns&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs_rKNo_7UAhXhK8AKHSXLDnQQ6AEILTAG
John PEARSON of Costa Mill, is advertising for sale, Yorks Gazette, 28 October 1843 property at Pickering and Middleton ... Further Particulars to Thomas Pearson, Saintoft Grange, near Pickering; or Mr John Pearson Costa Mill, near Middleton; and at the Office of Messrs A. and W. Simpson, Solicitors, Malton, 14 October 1843.
John Pearson and John Hood as Millers seem to be ovelapping at Costa Mill.
COSTA MILL, near Pickering, or near Middleton, look to be the same MILL.
Another Directory of 1823
John Hood, Cornmiller, Costa Mill (Hood's Mill)
According to the prosecution of William Garbutt, 29, (reported in Yorkshire Gazzette 23 December 1843) it says he was a servant of John Hood of Costa Mill.
Seems the Mill also comes under Aislaby.
Summary
I feel the MILLER occupation aspect and the names John HOOD and also John PEARSON (alias John Pierson) both MILLERS and both linked to the same COSTA MILL, is perhaps worth revisiting?
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Incidental Note
The John Hood who married Jane Marshall (18th Cent.) was a Bleacher by occupation (I got the Marriage doc from the Borthwick). The 1807 Poll Book has John Hood, Bleacher, listed.
Regards Mark
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Hoods at Costa Mill
John Hood married Ellinor Smith by licence at Middleton by Pickering 10 June 1792
Both signed register
Witnesses- Thos. Atkinson, John Clarke and William Fox Clark the latter looks to be a church official.
John & Ellinor had two children
John H born 1793
Elizabeth born 1794
John Hood the son married Rachel Gibson by licence at West Heslerton 29 January 1824.
Both signed register
Witnesses: Robt. Gibson & Elizabeth Hood.
The daughter Elizabeth was unmarried up to the 1851 census.
John Hood the elder died in 1846 - no sign of a Will.
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Thanks Claire
Doesn't seem to be a Hood - Pearson marriage link there.
Regards Mark
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The 1841 census both John Hood and John Pearson are in separate dwellings called Costa Mill
John Hood is at the Costa Mill in the Township of AISLABY.
John Pearson is at the Costa Mill in MIDDLETON.
John Hood (born c1745) : On the baptisms of two of his children Jane(1769) and Mary(1779) both are transcribed as HEAD - but abode listed as Cost Mill.
A Jane Hood had an illegitimate son Richard in 1790 in the Pickering registers, trying to find out what happened to her.
Which marriage do you mean ? - Coincidence: In trying to trace the family back - I can see the marriage of John Hood & Jane Marshall in 1765 Pickering.
Their children : John 1767 , Jane 1769 , Mary 1779, Richard 1779, William 1773
But looks like his parents were a John Hood and Jane Marshall who married 21 Aug 1735 in Old Malton
Their children: James 1747, Jane 1745, John 1736 & 42 & 49, Mary 1744, Robert, 1742, William 1752.
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The 1841 census both John Hood and John Pearson are in separate dwellings called Costa Mill
John Hood is at the Costa Mill in the Township of AISLABY.
John Pearson is at the Costa Mill in MIDDLETON.
John Hood (born c1745) : On the baptisms of two of his children Jane(1769) and Mary(1779) both are transcribed as HEAD - but abode listed as Cost Mill.
A Jane Hood had an illegitimate son Richard in 1790 in the Pickering registers, trying to find out what happened to her.
Which marriage do you mean? ...
Hi
Thanks Claire.
That is a most interesting re COSTA MILL. It did say in an 1843 Court Case involving theft at Middleton by William Garbutt, 29, being a Servant of John Hood of Costa Mill, that the owner of the Mill lived at Aislaby. But newspapers don't always get things quite clear and it could be read both ways.
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John Hood, the Bleacher
The marriage I had excluded would be the 1765 John Hood = James Marshall, Marriage, this John Hood was a Bleacher.
Therefore, not a Mariner, so we couldn't link Jane Marshall, to the other mystery, the mysterious Jane Hood, aged 65, Wife of John Hood the Mariner, buried Selby August 1803?
Hood's Costa Mill
"John Hood (born c1745) : On the baptisms of two of his children Jane(1769) and Mary(1779) both are transcribed as HEAD - but abode listed as Cost Mill.
A Jane Hood had an illegitimate son Richard in 1790 in the Pickering registers, trying to find out what happened to her."
Transcribed HOOD as HEAD
You have found definite evidence of transcribing HOOD as HEAD. I wonder what the image says for these HEAD children, abode COST MILL. Because the Mill had been in the HOOD family for a long time apparently.
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GEORGE HEAD - Born YORK 1784
Family search (FS) have a GEORGE HEAD at YORK and a QUAKER.
3rd January 1784
Parents - Joseph Head and Hannah
I wonder what the image says, please?
George Head - Marriage at Selby
FS even have a GRO registered George HEAD 1847 marriage at Selby.
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=Yorkshire&query=%2Bgivenname%3AGeorge~%20%2Bsurname%3AHead~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1784-1788~%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22England%2CYorkshire%22
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COCKIN
Been looking at Cockin again, as Richard Cockin of Doncaster was a Quaker.
Newspaper Yorkshire Gazette, 4th March 1865 - James Cockin (GRO Index COCKING)
"Cockin.-On the 24th ultimo, at Thorne, aged 71, Mr. James Cockin."
Born about 1794
Could be old enough to be the JAMES COOKIN witness signature 1815 George Hood = Sarah Russell marriage and their Daughter-in-Law Jane Casson was from Thorne. I wonder if the Census has James Cockin (alias Cocking) occupation/birthplace?
I've no end of Parish images downloaded including Pearson Cockin.
Regards Mark
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EDIT: dobfarm did we ever find out what happened to the 1783 Quaker baptism of 'George HEAD' father Joseph, mother Hannah. The witness was a Mary HOOD?
Claire
Sure I've seen the York Monthly Meeting -Quakers for this mid 1780s period, from Anc. Quaker index.
But obviously not viewed the Quarterly Index.
George Head born 1784 Yorkshire, with A HOOD witness, this could be very interesting!
Family search has Reference RG 6/0789 (think Anc. may just use the 789 / 0789 part in its Quaker listings).
TNA says RG 6/789 are YORKSHIRE QUARTERLY MEETING MINUTES.
RG 6 are usually Quaker.
Regards Mark
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I can't link up I am using my phone - we can rule out the George Head to Joseph & Hannah. There is a few posts on this - the family surname is actually STEAD. This George (thanks to dobfarm )died c1800.
I have also found another marriage in Leeds on 14 Jan 1786 - Ann HEAD to Thomas PEARSON. I've checked the image - she left her her mark in the register. It was also by licence. So there may be an error here too by the minister as I cannot find a suitable baptism for her using Head. The licence gives her age as 24.
Regarding the Costa Mills will put up some images regarding the use of the name Head/Hood, the family had been milling there from the early 1600's so should be fairly well known I would have thought.
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And something else -
Remember John Fotheringham from Lincolnshire ? He was born a Quaker. Married three times in an Anglican Church, baptised his daughter in an Anglican Church. Yet was buried by Quakers, his burial states "not in membership".
So it is feasible that GH could have been born a Quaker, and possibly under a variety of surnames we may have come across - Head - Hird - Hurd for example.
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Hello
Thanks Claire. I've noticed the Quakers use this phrase regarding a person who converted to the Quakers ... he had not the Quaker Birthright
Another example here ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4f4pAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA40&lpg=RA1-PA40&dq=%22The+Annual+Monitor%22+birthright&source=bl&ots=qyx8SMVpHV&sig=mVqFTWvTwxBmDvV6ldgg9LmPn44&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBzv7IkIHVAhXKvhQKHTQCBMUQ6AEIHDAA
Thomas Williams, Croydon, Surrey 27 9 6mo. 1833.
The young man whose career was thus early terminated, was born at Ramsgate, in the year 1806. He was the son of Henry and Eleanor Williams, and was not by birthright a member of our Society; ...
My George Hood is rather odd.
Perhaps the burial in a Quaker burial ground, as "Not in Membership", was just a favour.
But even appointed a big Selby Quaker Jonathan HUTCHINSON to be his Arbitrator and Umpire regarding his Will.
Regards Mark
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I had considered possibly the Quakers may have been a driving force in Georges life for a longer period - they may have apprenticed him. He seemed to 'mingle' amongst them from records etc. that you have found.
It seems a big favour as most of the family were buried by them, but George had business dealings with them. He must have been well respected.
I'm surprised that he didn't leave instruction in his Will in regards to his funeral. But then GH doesn't like making things easy for us :)
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Right here are the Costa Mill baptism records with surname recorded as HEAD. There is actually a third one - John born in 1767, His age at death (1846) gave him a birth year of 1767, but the left hand side of the page isn't there - so no forename remains, but does say 'son of John Head' - so possibly him too.
One entry I would say is a mistake, but three times..
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Right here are the Costa Mill baptism records with surname recorded as HEAD. There is actually a third one - John born in 1767, His age at death (1846) gave him a birth year of 1767, but the left hand side of the page isn't there - so no forename remains, but does say 'son of John Head' - so possibly him too.
One entry I would say is a mistake, but three times..
Hello
Thanks Claire
Costa Mill had been in the Hood family for a long time and your examples appear to show Hood has been written Head on occasions.
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Agree with dobfarm: the incorrectly transcribed RG 7/789:-
George Head 3 January 1784 Birth in the Parish of High Hoyland, Yorkshire, is
George Stead 3 January 1784 Birth in the Parish of High Hoyland, Yorkshire.
Fortunately Parish begins H, for comparison.
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3 November 1838
Teetotal Lecture.
... Mr Hood, from Leeds, gave a lecture on teetotalism to a crowded congregation, in the Primitive Methodist chapel, and on Saturday evening in the Protestant Wesleyan chapel, when, on both occasions, several came forward and signed the pledge.
Left me wondering what religion he was, if any, or just a Teetotaller?
Always one killjoy ;D for a little wine!
Still, Coffee and Tea are supposed to have anti-oxidants ;D and 3 cups of coffee daily claimed on the news last night that it may be possibly beneficial for some and to be researched further.
Will ask Mrs H if she can make her coffee cake ;D
Regards Mark
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Quaker / Society of Friends Relate - Post (Quakers often moved about and abroad and back to Gt.Britain)
William Hood of Bristol, Corn Factor dying at the Fish Ponds Gloucestershire, buried 1821, aged 65, states "Not a Member".
George Hood of Selby, (late Cooper business) Tanner and Brewer, died Selby 18 September 1845, aged 60, buried Selby Quaker Burial Ground as "Not in Membership".
Quaker Obituaries
COOK (See attachments for full Index 1813 - 1892)
John Cook Woolston, 50, 14 May 1843, Doddington, Northamptonshire.
Mary Cook, 75, 12 November 1844, Rochester, Widow of John Cook.
Ann Cook, 45, 19 March 1845, Rochester, Daughter of the above.
William Cooke, 62, 22 November 1844, Liverpool.
Dorothy Cook, 73, 27 August 1845, Wellingboro', Widow of Daniel Cook.
Elizabeth Cook, 71, 25 December 186[9?], Rochester, Daughter of Mary Cook, of London.
Joseph Cook, 87, 30 December 1899, St. Heliers.
Martha L. Cooke, 48, 24 May 1900, Liscard, Wife of Isaac Cooke.
James Cook, 87, 22 March 1912, Stoke Newington.
Thomas Cook, 68, 30 April 1912, Doncaster.
Mary Whitlock Cooke, 88, 18 September 1912, Wellingborough. Widow of William Cooke.
PEARSON
To be added
COCKBURN (Cockburn-Hood relation perhaps?)
Grace Cockburn-Campbell, 65, 31 July 1870, Waterhead, Windermere. Interred at Colthouse, Wife of Sir Alexander T. Cockburn-Campbell, Bart.
Spencer
Carlisle Journal 4 Feb 1837, At South Lodge, near Cockermouth, ... Lydia, the wife of Jeremiah Spencer, Esq., aged 38 years, one of the Society of Friends.
Never thought about the former Wife of John Hood of Selby (Elizabeth Spencer) possibly having Quaker connections?
Bainbridge
Mary Bainbridge, aged 70, 17 April 1883 Sedbergh. Widow of George Bainbridge.
Elizabeth Bainbridge aged 62, 20 Jan 1913 Bishop Auckland. Wife of Ralph Bainbridge.
Regards Mark
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If the article had been written at a later date I would have guessed at Edwin Paxton Hood. He eventually saw the light and gave up teetotalism after advice from a doctor in 1885.
Good man :)
EDIT: Not many Spencer Quakers in Yorkshire. A couple of Leppingtons though.
Family of Quaker Pearsons in Pickering meetings late 1700s - early 1800's
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Quaker Obits
These Quaker Members are good COOK and COOKE 1813 to 1892, because RG 6 Quaker online (on pay per view), usually only go to circa 1838 - 1840
Still a problem with "Not in Membership" burials. That is why I couldn't find George Hood's burial!
Only those who died 1941 onward, can be picked up in the Census, unless they've returned from abroad.
Thinking of cancelling my newspaper subs. I find the Census very useful and one has newspaper access anyway.
Quakers were not allowed to say the day or month name, so use numbers and "mo." for month.
Regards Mark
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COCKIN Quaker Deaths. 1813-1892
EDIT
GIBSON Quaker Deaths. 1813-1892
Emma GIBSON dying Newcastle upon Tyne, 1840, aged 69, places of Birth are not given on the Quaker Index (unless there is an Obituary as well in Society of Friends - The Annual Monitor).
Is this Burial online in the (RG 6) Quaker series, please?
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I will go through the Probate gov.uk (from 1858) and see if I spot anything, for Quakers of interest.
Regards Mark
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Newcastle Courant, 19 June 1840
At Newcastle,
Villa-place, on the 9th inst., Emma Gibson, a member of the Society of Friends.
Newcastle Journal, 13th June 1840
At Villa-place, in this town, on the 9th inst. Emma Gibson, a member of the Society of Friends, aged 68 years.
Newcastle Courant, 19th June 1840
HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE,
TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION,
On the premises, No. 41, Villa Place, Westgate,
Newcastle.
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By Mr. G. Harrison,
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The Modern and Elegant Household Furniture, late the effects of Miss Gibson, deceased, ...
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Different surname / year, but Society of Friends and dying at Villa Place, near Newcastle ...
Durham County Advertiser, 1st November 1828
At Villa Place, near Newcastle, 16th inst. Hannah, eldest daughter of Mr William Watson, of the Quayside, Newcastle, cheesemonger, one of the Society of Friends.
Mark
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Sorry, the Gibson burial isn't online, the other is, Hannah Watson - age 17 and a half and of the Township of Westgate.
Coverage on F M P upto 1841
Anc* - to 1837.
claire
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Hello All
Thanks Claire for the reply.
I'm hoping that developments in the last 24 hours regarding George Hood's past (buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground as "Not in Membership"), will show the first signs of a few cracks!
Maudland Hood
One of the witnesses at Maudland Hood's Wedding at Selby 27th November 1794 was Frances STEARS.
After searching Family Search again, there is a possibility that witness Frances Stears, might be a Quaker?
Frances Stears to Richard Yarwood 4th February 1796
For the Stears = Yarwood marriage Family Search are quoting Quaker references:-
RG 6/785 (TNA cat - says Yorkshire QUARTERLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends' Registers)
and
RG 6/857 (TNA cat - says York - MONTHLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends Registers).
Frances Yarwood, aged 83, is recorded as a Quaker at death, Hull.
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Maudland Hood's Father was John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough, where Maudland Hood's birth and Baptism dates are recorded - St Mary's).
Regards Mark
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Something is there, George Hood was well educated, Maudland was not.
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Hi
Thank you Claire, for the 1799 information.
In 1799 Mary Stears of Selby, who has the same Father (Thos Stears of Bewholme) as Frances Stears (a witness on Maudland HOOD's Marriage), married JOHN PROCTER of Stockton.
Notice the links to SCARBOROUGH too, in the 1799 Marriage.
John PROCTER's Father Stephen PROCTER was late of Scarborough.
Mary STEARS 1799 marriage is witnessed by Thomas PROCTER of SELBY, [father of William PROCTER of SELBY, also a Flax Dresser] who we know had links with my GEORGE HOOD.
Kind regards Mark
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Claire you've been busy!
Thank you very much, finding a John Hood & Sarah Hood attending the 1783 Quaker Marriage of Abel Chapman of Whitby, Master Mariner, to Elizabeth Simpson, Daughter of Wakefield Simpson of Whitby, at the Meeting House in Stainton-dale.
Thanks dobfarm, I just feel with the "Not in Membership" burial in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground of George Hood of Selby and George Hood's Quaker contacts with Jonathan Hutchinson; William Procter and William Massey all of Selby, there must be some Quaker link somewhere.
Kind regards Mark
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Looking at the two Frances Stears signatures (1794 and 1796) they are by the same person, except that Frances Stears has botched her fancy tall capital F, restarting/altering it, due to the narrowness of the signature space in the Selby Parish Register in 1794.
My feeling is that we have Frances Stears a Quaker as one of the witnesses at Maudland Hood's, Selby Wedding in 1794.
Nowhere does a Frances Stears appear in the Selby Parish Register transcriptions circa 1579 Bap/1583 up to 1812.
Regards Mark
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JOHN & SARAH HOOD WITNESSES - Something else to think about - the Chapman/ Simpson marriage - wonder if this Simpson family are related to the Jane 'Casson' Hood - her cousin 'Simpson' mentioned in her Will.
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Sarah Hammond widow intent to marry John Hood mariner of Scarborough 1778
Sarah ---Who------ ? (Pearson ?) (Cook ?) (Cockin ) (Simpson?) (Gibson ?)
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Just using dates from 1760- 1778 there are 8 Hammond marriages to a 'Sarah' ::)
However, one of them: John Hammond to Sarah Parkin on 21 Jan 1768 at St Giles without Cripplegate
One of the images from the Bond states Sarah Hammond had been living in the parish of St Giles. Not conclusive, and she was a widow again from the parish of St Botolph Aldersgate at this marriage to Mr Parkin :(
George Parkin married Sarah WALKER 8 Jul 1759 at St Botolph Aldersgate ... and she was a spinster :)
Can you find a John Hood / Sarah Hammond marriage ?
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I think your original theory that this well educated George Hood from place unknown was drawn to Selby by the newspaper report on R Gibson bankruptcy Wren lane to make a go as a new cooper business, a young man out of his time as an apprentice ready to spread his wings and new skills. His tools, get a new rent agreement was all that was needed for a fresh start, as the business goodwill to Gibson went with him down the drain. The Quaker movement may have been his drive or support out of range of the parish admin which would have been an obstacle too him setting up as an outsider.
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Hi
Don't worry, regarding George Hood of Selby, I am attempting various ways to look at both and have everything so far, downloaded, printed and filed:-
1. John Hood of Selby, Mariner, who appears to be in Selby from circa 1781 (John Hood Father of Maudland Hood by nee Elizabeth Spencer at Scarborough). Maudland Hood's Mother is known and she is believed to have died 1775.
However, John Hood's wife buried Selby 1803, Jane Hood is unknown. If her Marriage is missing, so might a Birth of hers, be missing also.
and
2. John Hood of Newcastle and North Shields area and also a Mariner married Elizabeth Gibson. (Richard Gibson came from Newcastle).
I'm having to continue to consider both John Hoods (both Mariners). The information in the Gateshead 1786 Geo Hood baptism is far too scant to identify the John Hood in the record, to override the George Hood being born Yorkshire record. At some point, we were supposed to be from Scotland, suggesting Presbyterian or Catholic etc.
The Selby records are either missing / location unknown for Presbyterian before 1797.
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WYAS say Roman Catholic records are generally on 100 year closure, but Selby RC have withheld all their Roman Catholic Registers (excepting those requested by the Registrar General (RG) circa 1837 and were sent to the RG (now in TNA) ), but these RC Registers only go back about 40 years prior to the RG request circa 1838.
The Quakers delayed sending their Registers to the RG for a few years, because they wanted to ensure certain information was separated from their records into the Registers they deposited (which go back 100s of years), because Quakers hold two sets of Records, their BMD Registers and Records of their Meetings at Monthly; Quarterly and Yearly.
There is no Tax Paid on Apprentices either, for my George Hood.
1743 - Archbishop's Herring's Visitation - Selby
The Parish of Selby contains about 300 families of which:-
15 were Presbyterians
15 were Quakers
9 Papists (Roman Catholic)
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Only Selby Quaker Births, Marriages and Burials (submitted to the RG about late 1830s-1840) and Anglican (C of E) Baptisms/Births are accessible online, for the period around the time of George Hood's birth.
The 1743 visitations indicate 15 Presbyterian families, so many more than the handful in the Selby Parish Register.
John Mush of Selby is confirmed as Presbytarian / Presbitarian (John Mush was in the 1727 Will of Roger Hood of Selby).
I'm treading carefully, because I don't want to get back to the 1600s or even earlier with all the scans and suddenly new scans appears online, confirming I've gone down the wrong descent line.
I don't think there is much more that Rootschatters can do now, until I've seen the Quaker Minutes at Leeds and also receive the first replies.
Searching, a number of Hood Wills, held in the Borthwick and purchasing some and viewing all those Hood Durham probates online c.1750 to 1840s, have not led anywhere yet
Thank you all, for all the replies and research done, links to free online images and photos taken etc.
Regards Mark
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Regarding Jane Hood of Selby.
An old Oxford Press Dictionary of English Christian names is also saying JEHANE & JOAN for Jane.
I've tried both Jane and Janet Hood on Scotlands People already, but not Joan yet.
Briefly, JANE is the feminine of John, giving Jehane.
JOAN is also linked, to Jhone, Jonet, Jehane, Johan (also linked to JOHANNA or Johna), Jahan; Johan - Yorks 1379; Johne - Lincs 1459; Ione Lincs - 1535; Jonet - Lincs 1450.
I have heard in the 18th Century that the Church of England tried to standardise some spellings, e.g. making as many Hudd to Hood as possible.
Regards Mark
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I cannot for the life of me find a marriage for this couple.
Scottish equivalent of Jane is Jean also. That seems very common amongst Scottish records I've seen before.
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Hi
Thanks Claire
SCOTLAND
"A marriage by "cohabitation with repute" as it was known in Scots Law could still be formed; popularly described as "by habit and repute", with repute being the crucial element to be proved. In 2006, Scotland was the last European jurisdiction to abolish this old style common-law marriage or "marriage by cohabitation with repute"."
I wonder if Wife, Jane Hood of Selby really was married to John Hood, although this John Hood had married previously. I had heard consumation in Scotland, could mean waking up in the morning married! ;D :-[
In Scotland whether married or not, it was often the custom to put the Wife's nee surname on the Headstone and the M.I.s looked at last year in Dumfries are full of these, e.g.
Example, would look like this
John Hood, aged 82
1819
Jane Cook, aged 65,
1803
Wife of the Above.
This may be why James Hood has included some surnames in his childrens names.
Perhaps Selby Church may have been forced to bury Jane and they recorded her as Hood, to save people asking questions, afterall they didn't want to suggest that the Scottish arrangement, was okay in England.
Checked newspapers again, but my Hoods don't appear until 1815 and I can't prove the earlier John Hood Mariners are mine, due to the number of John Hood, Mariners.
Regards Mark
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Family search is saying Elizabeth Hood, parents John and Sarah
Hi
Just been trying a few names out, because Sarah Hood (nee Arundel) was baptised Wesleyan at Selby.
Birth: Jan 18 1854 - Selby, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom Christening: Aug 11 1859 - Wesleyan Methodist, Hinckley, Leicester, England Parents: James Hood, Sarah Hood (born Arundel)
EDIT: Above information regarding a Selby Birth with a Hinckley baptism appears to be incorrect.
Family search - Elizabeth Hood, parents John and Sarah at Hinckley.
Always essential to check original baptism record, or a scan of the original record.
Regards Mark
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Mark - where is that info from, if you don't mind me asking. It's not showing up on either of the main sites. It may have been transcribed wrongly or something.
Anc* coverage only include records for Hinckley to 1837.
There is a Hood record in there in 1837 to a Thomas and Elizabeth, plenty of Hoods in the registers though. Noticed a Hood in the Presbyterian records for the Bardon Park and Ashby de la Zouch Chapels.
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Mark - where is that info from, if you don't mind me asking. It's not showing up on either of the main sites. It may have been transcribed wrongly or something.
google search ... wesleyan selby Hood
Family search is saying Elizabeth Hood, parents John and Sarah :(
Regards Mark
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That definitely looks like her :( wonder where the info has come from ?
F M P is the same - dates only cover the period up to 1837
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Right, there is a John Hood and Sarah in Hinckley in the 1861 census, they have a daughter Eliza who is 5 months old.
They also had an Elizabeth in 1859 - 3rd Qtr. who does not appear in the 1861 census, there is a death registration too in Hinckley 1859 - 3rd Qtr.
I can also see baptisms for two of their other children in St Mary's ( Anglican)
Did your John & Sarah baptise any other children ? I can see that Bernard P Hood married in Kedleston Street Bourne Chapel - that's a Primitive Methodist Chapel.
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Hi
Thank you Claire
Back to STEARS of Bewholme (same family as Frances Stears, the Witness on Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby marriage), this Benjamin BARRON (1803 STEARS Marriage below) apparently had links to CLEMENTHORP and Parish of BLACKTOFT, Yorkshire, where there were also COCKINs.
HORNSEA MEETING 1803 [Bewholme is 3 miles from Hornsea]
Certificate of marriage between Benjamin BARRON of CLEMENTHORP and ANN STEARS of BEWHOLME (from an archive description - not seen).
This Barron (1794 - 1867) was a Quaker
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Barron_Wiffen
There was a George COCKIN at Blacktoft and Clementhorpe and Staddlethorpe and Sandholme, begining to wonder if George Cockin had links or dealings with QUAKERS?
I have just looked at the 200 year old, Dickinson - Cockin Deed for Staddlethorpe and Clementhorpe. Barnard Dickinson; Joseph Dickinson; George Cockin and John Peirson have all used the same unnamed Seal.
I don't know yet, if I'm onto something, or nothing, about George Hood's origin.
We also have, who we believe is the Clerk, John DICKINSON, witness at George Hood's 1815 Wedding, perhaps he might be related, other witness James COOKIN.
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The 1802 Selby property Deed for the Dwelling house (divided into two), part occupied by JOHN HOOD in Millgate, Selby, is no hovel, it has an orchard.
John Hood of Selby Mariner, whose Daughter Maudland Hood has witness Frances STEARS a Quaker at her Wedding to Charles Turner in 1794.
JOHN HOOD of SELBY buried April 1819.
Just say for instance he inherited property in Scotland, I wonder if a Will for him, or Jane Hood, is listed at the Scottish Registry?
Just a few thoughts.
Regards Mark
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George Hood of Selby purchased (Henry Mitton's) Malt Kiln, from John Clarkson of New Port in the Parish of Eastrington, Farmer.
Just noticed that there was a George Cockin of Sandholme in the Parish of Eastrington.
If the same Eastrington?
I wonder if there is any link to COOKIN / COCKIN on George HOOD's 1815 Selby Marriage, to be found there?
Regards Mark
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If the same Eastrington?
Yes, Newport and Sandholme next door to each other
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George Hood of Selby purchased (Henry Mitton's) Malt Kiln, from John Clarkson of New Port in the Parish of Eastrington, Farmer.
Just noticed that there was a George Cockin of Sandholme in the Parish of Eastrington.
EDIT: They are the same Eastrington.
I wonder if there is any link to COOKIN / COCKIN on George HOOD's 1815 Selby Marriage, to be found there?
Regards Mark
Hello All
Thanks Goughy
See my two posts today.
Kind regards Mark
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Hello All
Claire has just PM: Quaker Barron / Stears, have Collinson links. My George Hood of Selby had property dealings with a James Collinson of Selby.
See Reply #660 and Reply #662 for associated images and today above, thank you.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6283433#msg6283433
There was a Richard Hood; William Hood and I believe Hannah near to Hornsea at Catwick / Leven, perhaps more Hoods?
Regards Mark
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First I have to apologise: Hannah Richardson married at CATTON - she was the widow of Thomas Richardson who she married at Beverley c1790. Married again at Catton 1802. She was a relation of Richard Hood ( of Stamford Bridge)
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From looking at the Quaker marriages at Hornsea - the full details of earlier marriages appear at Owstwick - I've been through their registers
The Pinders, Dickenson, Collinson - all Quakers. No Cockin witness's in early registers, have yet to check post 1800.
The Hords also appear as relations and witnesses and their own marriages. An earlier marriage of a John HIRD could possibly be the same family ( married a Peternell Richardson c1690)
Also from Selby 'Faucett' also appear as Quakers in the Selby registers and as witnesses elsewhere.
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Thanks Claire, don't worry.
Think I have a Quaker Jeremiah Hord at Owstwick, image already downloaded, from another Meeting.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6175607#msg6175607
One of the Witnesses Mordecai CASSON
Are Thorne Birth record images complete circa 1785 to 1787? Was the single Eliza Hord at Thorne? Related to Jonathan Backhouse the Banker and Dearman, along with the Procters?
Regards Mark
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Mind set of a line of research from belief census information is accurate as county of birth, when known can be flimsy especially the 1841c to a birth place, yet overlook or dismiss the obvious in this belief, trade at marriage with an age to relates a year of birth from the ancestor and signed by himself twice marriage and bond allegation on different dates. The surname and trade are prominent in Glasgow as Scottish origins that has the surname and the trade. - The obvious is - Hood a Cooper & well educated.
The John Hood publican Ship inn Gateshead 1787 trades directory, (Indirectly the trade does relate to barrels and upkeep of) does not fit in with known Hood's of Gateshead just as George Hood of Selby a cooper, brewer, tanner, general businessman does not relate to known Hood's of Selby mariner(s) (illiterate ?). Thus was John Hood father of George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead an innkeeper publican from Glasgow that was connected to the known Hood booze and barrel trade freemasons of Glasgow.
Barrels for general use
Special barrels to make/brew/mature store whisky & beer
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Hi
Eliza Hord was born at Hull ( I think) - meeting place: Qwstwick, monthly meeting: Hull.
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Samuel HOARE ( Banker ) married Sarah GURNEY in 1776 Norfolk
then there is another marriage
Samuel Hoare Jnr (banker) married Hannah Sterry in London 1788
He was the son of Samuel HOARE ( merchant of London) and Grizell GURNELL ( married 1746)
In 1806 Samuel Hoare, (son of Samuel the banker) married Louisa Gurney in Norfolk.
EDIT: This family were seriously loaded!
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George Cockin married MARY PINDER in Luddington, Lincs. ( both are buried in Lincs) but died in Yorkshire. He died in March 1838 - I have an Admon record.
Two children:
William Cockin bn 1809 Lincs. He married Ann Hudson ( a widow nee Clayton) in 1860 Eastrington.
Elizabeth Cockin bn 1821 Blacktoft, Yorkshire. Had to look twice when I saw who she married :)
1844 Elizabeth Cockin married George WOOD a brewer, father John Wood.
Pinder was a name that appeared in the Quaker records at Hull/Owstwick alongside Dickenson, Hord, Casson etc.
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Given the Hoods may have been of Scottish descent, and the amount of millers and corn merchants we keep coming across. Maybe it might be worth checking some things out.
Note this George in the record was from Berwick ( wasn't the Naval man on the Acasta from Berwick perhaps)
http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/welcome.aspx
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The thing is, these trades of George are 3 highly skilled trades to learn also later knew how to run businesses- (Could be learned on the job though)
Common barrel maker -cooper (Carpenter/Hooper/B-Smith)
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Maturing Leather or Brew and barrel upkeep
Brewing and maturing whisky incorporated preparing the inside of the barrel by burning and smoking it storage casks of the cooper-brewer (Scotland mainly)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqopSMvCXv0
https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/american-whiskey/the-heat-of-the-moment-charred-barrel-vs-toasted-barrel/
Tanning is similar long term soaking up to a year of the leather in vat baths - Make wood vats, prepare, care of repair of insides of vats, as it effect the leather.
https://www.nps.gov/jame/learn/historyculture/tanning-in-the-seventeenth-century.htm
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These trades of George suggest he was brought up around brewing and maturing of items and educated enough to conduct business with professional people of the time like bankers- solicitors and later a (2nd down from churchwarden in rank) Overseer of the parish (not Quaker ) which suggest he was Anglican admin of Selby.
Buried in Quaker burial ground but not a Quaker
Burial grounds in Selby to bury bodies till the cemetery opened 1858 was drying up at the Abbey - disease was rampant with typhoid and other similar complaints.
These at researchable facts not scenario theories
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George Cockin married MARY PINDER in Luddington, Lincs. ( both are buried in Lincs) but died in Yorkshire. He died in March 1838 - I have an Admon record.
Two children:
William Cockin bn 1809 Lincs. He married Ann Hudson ( a widow nee Clayton) in 1860 Eastrington.
Elizabeth Cockin bn 1821 Blacktoft, Yorkshire. Had to look twice when I saw who she married :)
1844 Elizabeth Cockin married George WOOD a brewer, father John Wood.
Pinder was a name that appeared in the Quaker records at Hull/Owstwick alongside Dickenson, Hord, Casson etc.
Hello
Thanks for all replies. A researcher once said to me the clue is in the burial. This is why burials can be so important and a great number of Parish Register films were searched, to try and find it.
Been reading bits of a recent book, which in part, use the Whitby Quaker Meeting Minutes of over 200 years ago. In the book, persons associating with Quakers (i.e. non Quakers) were being recorded in the Quaker Minutes.
Still the Rule Today
"Each area meeting shall maintain a list of attenders and of children not in membership associated with its several meetings for worship or shall arrange that such lists shall be kept by overseers. An attender is one who, not being a member, frequently attends a specific meeting for worship."
Armed with this recent information, it would be highly foolish of me now, to know that:-
1. George was known to have business / property links with Quakers;
2. Jonathan Hutchinson (Selby Quaker) was appointed Umpire and Arbitrator in George Hood's Will;
3. not all Quaker Registers are online (online scanned from the RG 6 - (Register General) series), because I have just discovered that the Quakers failed to deposit some BMD Registers with the Registrar General around 1840;
4. George and part of his family were buried in a Quaker burial ground as "Not in Membership";
5. Two Sons became Quakers ...
and not to go and see the surviving Local and Area Quaker Minutes next.
Regards Mark
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May not be related ...
London Gazette
1st May 1827
JOHN JAMES HOOD otherwise WOOD LINGARD
Comment
The question is now, is this chap passing himself off as Wood simply due financial pressures (to hide), or has he, or an ancestor changed from WOOD to HOOD.
According to my late Grandmother we are supposed to be Hood. I'll see these Quaker Minutes asap.
Regards Mark
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Hello
Looking for any Hutchinson & Hood link, before 1845?
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Documents
Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby
This Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby mentioned in the 1846 Probate of George Hood of Selby, has some apparent family links!
Jonathan Hutchinson the Younger, Surgeon of Finsbury Circus Middlesex.
Henry Hutchinson of Bozeat, County of Northampton, Farmer.
Edward Hutchinson, Ironmaker of Darlington, Co. Durham.
Charles Hutchinson of Selby, Merchant.
Francis Hutchinson, Glassman, of Fishergate in the suburbs of York.
It would appear that there is some type of Trust spanning 1810 1869, 1874 and a William Harbottle of Burn is mentioned.
Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby and New Zealand, n.d. (Book description written by Roger Felix Hutchinson, 1980?)
The family of Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby, have links with the colonies at Waihuka, New Zealand and possibly Mahaki, New Zealand.
Separate Document
In a separate document in the YAS collection, Glew of Selby and a William Harbottle of Burn Hall are mentioned and incidentally a line has been struck through the name of a John Pexton Gibson, Innkeeper and John Pexton Gibson, Scarborough - this chap appears in the Commercial Gazette of 1890.
Mark
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For others to read, interesting link this - from page 10
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/multimedia/imu/20138/YAS_MD217.pdf
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Hello
Claire, the 1945 letter written by J. W. Chapman of Doncaster and Scarborough deals mainly with James Hood's children, then on page 2 refers to a mystery WINIFRED HOOD who did not marry.
Page 1 of the 1945 Letter basically says:-
Nellie Hood married my Uncle Arthur Chapman, [so this was Mary Ellen Hood in 1873]
Elizabeth Hood married J. B. Sugars. [Elizabeth Cook Hood]
Adeline Hood married a Mr Featherstone. [Married 1885]
Sally Hood, married, died about 20 years ago and was buried in Doncaster [Sally = Sarah Hood married Wm Oswin 1894. Sarah of Balby died 1919].
Page 2 "I understand there was also a daughter Winifred Hood who did not marry, and the last I heard of her was that she was residing in Harrogate, but my informant does not know her address."
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Is this the mystery Hood relative living in Harrogate, to which J. W. Chapman (Nephew of Arthur Chapman) a Hood relative is referring back to ...
Winifred E Hood
Census 1901
Harrogate, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Civil Parish: Harrogate
Ecclesiastical Parish: Harrogate St Peters
Registration District: Knaresborough
Cambridge Street
Age 23
Occupation: TEACHER BOARD SCHOOL
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Birth Year: (Estimated) 1878
Birthplace: Redcar, Yorkshire
Schedule Type 36
Page Number 9
Others in the Census Household: Annie Wright Marston; Emily A Hunt; Emma Pullan; Hilda J Hood; Alice L Cronier; Sarah Jane Mann; Mabel K Connelly.
Possibly Winifred Elizabeth HOOD
Mother BRIERLEY
Birth Registered in the District of Guisbrough
March Qtr 1878
EDIT: Winifred Elizabeth HOOD Marriage Guisbro' in 1903, so J. W. Chapman in 1945:-
has either not heard of her for a long time, or
I have the wrong Winifred Hood in Harrogate.
Regards Mark
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It isn't Winifred Elizabeth Hood, well it could be, BUT a Winifred Featherstone is in Harrogate in 1939.
So I'm not sure at all , I'm trying to find out who Mabel North is. Winifred E Hoods parents were George ( master printer and stationer ) and Ann Elizabeth ( Brierly). She had a sister Mabel, so looking into that
Just sending you an email with those school records, and something else I spotted tonight.
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It isn't Winifred Elizabeth Hood, well it could be, BUT a Winifred Featherstone is in Harrogate in 1939.
So I'm not sure at all , I'm trying to find out who Mabel North is. Winifred E Hoods parents were George ( master printer and stationer ) and Ann Elizabeth ( Brierly). She had a sister Mabel, so looking into that
Thanks Claire
But Winifred Featherstone (Mother was a Hood 19th Century), can't be the unmarried "Winifred Hood" mentioned in the 1945 letter (in my last reply above)? Seems I am looking for a Winifred HOOD, after the emergence of this 1945 letter in the last 2 days?
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I am fairly sure the Chapmans of Doncaster were PRINTERS too.
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From Claire
Arthur Chapman died 1897 and is buried in Hyde Park Cemetery, Doncaster, plot C298.
Mary Ellen Chapman nee Hood [born Selby to James & Sarah Hood] aged 57 died 1 November 1910 and is buried with Arthur (in consecrated ground).
William Martin Chapman born 1879 married Charlotte Wilson North 1901 Doncaster. Three children: Norah Evelyn Chapman born 1906, Stewart Arundel Chapman born 1905 and Arthur North Chapman born 1903.
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Two of my Gt. Gt. Aunts in my HOOD line, had Doncaster connections and one mentions a Chapman in our family correspondence.
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Another Mystery HOOD?
Just need to ensure I get to the bottom of the WINIFRED HOOD, mentioned in the 1945 letter of J. W. Chapman of Doncaster and Scarborough, sent to the US?
Letter 1945: Page 2 "I understand there was also a daughter Winifred Hood who did not marry, and the last I heard of her was that she was residing in Harrogate, but my informant does not know her address."
A handwritten note (added to the typed 1945 letter) Information from Mabel North, 4 Hampton Road, Doncaster, says "Did not marry. Winifred Hood"
Regards Mark
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Mabel Lydia North was the sister of Charlotte Wilson North.
Died in 1956: lived at 4 Hampton Road, buried Doncaster Christchurch.
Probate granted to Thomas William Walter Anelay North.
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Another Mystery HOOD?
Just need to ensure I get to the bottom of the WINIFRED HOOD, mentioned in the 1945 letter of J. W. Chapman of Doncaster and Scarborough, sent to the US?
Letter 1945: Page 2 "I understand there was also a daughter Winifred Hood who did not marry, and the last I heard of her was that she was residing in Harrogate, but my informant does not know her address."
A handwritten note (added to the typed 1945 letter) Information from Mabel North, 4 Hampton Road, Doncaster, says "Did not marry. Winifred Hood"
Regards Mark
Thanks Claire
Looks like from your information, the author of the handwritten note lived until 1956.
So we are looking for a Winifred Hood who never married and may once have lived at Harrogate at some point, which seems to throw my Census suggestion above, out of the window?
Regards Mark
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Adeline Hood & Thomas Featherstone had two children
Winifred WATSON Featherstone ( bn 1887) died 14 March 1955 at the General Hospital Guisborough. Abode: Rose Cottage, Ainthorpe Danby Yorks.
Probate granted to Hilda Middleton , widow.
And Robert William Featherstone bn 1891.
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Adeline Hood & Thomas Featherstone had two children
Winifred WATSON Featherstone ( bn 1887) died 14 March 1955 at the General Hospital Guisborough. Abode: Rose Cottage, Ainthorpe Danby Yorks.
Probate granted to Hilda Middleton , widow.
And Robert William Featherstone bn 1891.
Thank you Claire
I wonder why J. W. Chapman called her "Winifred Hood". The one in the quote was never a Hood by name.
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A Winifred Hood, Spinster, was mentioned in a 1941 Hood Probate.
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Re Harrogate, a 1931 to 1941 search has Hoods dying at no less than three Harrogate addresses.
1937 Hannah M Hood, of Pannal nr Harrogate
[Edwin Casson lived at Pannal House].
1939 Hannah Hood, proved by Wilfred Wilkinson.
1940 George Barker Hood, Otley Road.
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I've found a Frederick Hood of 147 St Saviours Road, Leicester, dying at the Carley St. Baptist Chapel, Leicester, on 12 Sept 1934, probably at the same Chapel that one of my Hoods attended! Florence Brooks was Hood's Widow.
Mark
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There are quite a few Winifred Hoods to check out. I was a tad dubious finding Winifred Featherstone in Harrogate though I have to admit.
Adeline Featherstone died in 1931, I'm surprised they hadn't heard that.
When I was checking Adeline Hoods marriage there was another Adeline Hood that married in Leicestershire in 1893. I had initially thought the name Adeline was more unique than the Mary, Hannah and Sarah's I'm used to checking for.
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Extract quote from Goughy
Burial
Henry Bacon of Selby Surgeon and Apothecary son of John Bacon of Selby Tanner by Hannah his wife daugh of Mr Hood of Selby aforesaid Surgeon 17 September (1785) in Selby Church aged 60
There was a Henry Bacon baptised 19 January 1764 son of Mr Henry Bacon
A Henry Bacon (batchelor) was buried 13 May 1811
Only Probate Record listed is for Henry Bacon (Batchelor) ADMINISTRATION Nov 1819
Unquote
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Me
In short Hannah Hood was Henry Bacon's mother
Hello
Some of the Bacons were Presbyterian (alias spelling Presbiterian), same as John Mush mentioned in the 1727 Will of Roger Hood of Selby.
Henry Bacon married Hannah Hood Daughter of Mr Hood of Selby Surgeon, early half of the 18th Cent.
Selby Presbyterian
Leonard Chamberlain, Draper, Market Place, Hull, a prominent Presbyterian lived in Selby (left Will 19 August 1716);
Beatrix Bacon was involved;
the Bacon family intermarried with Morrit and then the Bacon Morrit name appears.
After circa 1800 Unitarians began to have an influence over the Presbyterians in this area.
Rev. William Severn preached at Selby, but came from the Bowl Alley Lane Chapel, Hull and Severn died 22 June 1813, aged 58. Also managed to find his widow's notice attached.
Rev William Severn Memorial of 1813
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=H-EaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA669&lpg=PA669&dq=%22Rev+william+Severn%22+Hull+1813&source=bl&ots=aq4ny8NQ4a&sig=Fox07TKpDZSr1uhhwA5yA0rxmxc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY3YC7x5bVAhVKIcAKHZ3UAh4Q6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q=%22Rev%20william%20Severn%22%20Hull%201813&f=false
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Interested who the Ministers were at the Bowl Alley Lane Chapel, Hull in the 1780s. I might access Bowl Alley Lane records at my Library.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=Bowl%20alley%20Lane&_cr=RG&_dss=range&_sd=1700&_ed=1800&_ro=any&_st=adv
Thank you, Mark
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Mr John Beverley was minister from the 1760s right into the 1790's.
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Mr John Beverley was minister from the 1760s right into the 1790's.
Thank you Claire, spot on with John Beverley.
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Looks like Selby also had its own:-
Presbyterian / Unitarian Ministers (Hood of Selby married a Smith earlier) and
Independents / Congregational (besides Quaker & others)
Also noted at Selby is:-
Presbyterian Chapel, Mill-gate, Selby was also known as St Michael's
Noah Ward from York in 1660, died 1699 (Assistant to Ralph Ward of York).
Beatrix Bacon wife of Christopher Bacon bequeathed some land.
Michael? Barstow and Widow Alice Barstow (a claim that St Michael's name from Barstow?)
William Chamberlain, Draper, Market Place, Hull, Presbyterian, lived at Selby (Will 1716).
Bacons associated with the Chapel.
Morrit's associated with Chapel.
John Travers (1698 & 1715).
Mr Travers, Presbiterian Preacher, Burial Selby Abbey 24 Mar 1717.
John Trovis was followed by John Hodgson.
John Mush (1728 & 1729). John Mush mentioned in Roger Hood's Will.
Mr Foljamb (poss. Jotham Foljamb).
John Smith (1791).
William Severn visiting from Bowl Alley Lane Chapel, Hull. Died 22 June 1813).
Rev. Smith son of the preceding John Smith (1810 - 1833).
Also a Mr Briggs (Selby, Unitarian) and a Mr Blake (Unitarian Baptist from Hull) has had some association (around the period the Presbyterian Chapel, Selby, became Unitarian).
Dissenters / Independents
Thomas Smith.
J. M. Pilkington.
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26 May 1772
Foundling Hospital at Ackworth
A published list includes:-
Bacon Morrit Esq.
John Sawrey Morrit Esq.
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A Mrs Cockin dies, wife of Mr Cockin of Doncaster in 1795, A Quaker (attached).
Possibly wife of Richard Cockin?
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Still interested in the mystery "Winifred Hood" linked to my family, please?
Aliases to Winifred are:- Freda Hood and Winnie Hood and noticed a handful on Free BMD).
Regards Mark
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The Quaker burial record is indeed the wife of Richard Cockin breeches maker of Doncaster. She was called Deborah and was 41 years old.
She was buried at Warmsworth - interestingly Warmsworth came up in searches I did a few weeks ago - there were a few records of a Bernard Pearson from there in the early to mid 1700's.
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John Hood bapt 22nd Dec 1755 West Kilbride, Ayrshire, Scotland parents - father John Hood Mother Margaret Boyd
1820
According to an earlier document description of 1820 Thomas Gibson, Ridley (various Ridleys linked to Cook in the above Will Admin) AND Robert Pearson are in a property deal, along with the bank of 'Ridley, Bigge, Gibson and Company'.
Ridleys are mentioned in John Cook's 1773 Will, Admin 1817.
18 July 1820
(1) William Greenwell, late of Kibblesworth, now of Newcastle upon Tyne, Esq.
(2) William Boyd of Newcastle upon Tyne, banker
(3) Sir Matthew White Ridley, Baronet, Charles William Bigge, Thomas Gibson, and Thomas Hanway Bigge, copartners with (2) in the banking firm of Ridley, Bigge, Gibson and Company
(4) Sir Thomas Henry Liddell of Ravensworth Castle, Baronet
(5) George Baker of Elemore, Esq.
(6) Robert Pearson of Newcastle upon Tyne, Esq.
Draft release by (1) to (5) of Kibblesworth Grange and fields as specified (42a.1r.36p) and allotments (23a.0r 32p) on Blackburn Fell, reserving minerals, upon the trusts of the will of Sir Henry George Liddell, Bart Assignment by (2) to (6) of the residue of a term of 5000 years upon trust to attend the freehold. Declaration that the purchase money is part of £90,000 produced by the sale of Newton Estate to William Russell. Recites previous deeds Consideration: £3000 by (5) to (3) and (2), and £1000 by (5) to (1)
(1 file)
Kibblesworth Grange Gateshead
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6266010#msg6266010
https://www.hoodfamily.info/chart/DH002chart.html
. ROBERT GIBSON HOOD (Robert4,Thomas3, William2,David1) b. 30 Jun 1793 Coklerow, Newton. d. 22 Jun 1867 Old Craighall, Inveresk; described as 'Pauper formerly Coal Miner.'
m.Isobel Hope 19 Sep 1829 Inveresk.
Children:
•Elizabeth Hood; b. before 1826; d. 15 Aug 1826.
•Mary Hood; b. 12 Apr 1831.
•Robert Hood; b. 2 Mar 1834; d. 28 Jul 1837
•37. John Hope Hood , b. 4 Oct 1836; m. Sophia Martha Ingram.
•Janet Hood; b. 21 Sep 1838; m. Joseph Williams 27 Aug 1866, Musselburgh, Inveresk; d. 6 Sep 1873 Old Craighall, Inveresk; 'Usual domicile 23 Bramsforth Colliery, Wellington, Co. Durham.
•38. Stewart Hood , b. 1841; m. Amelia Anderson Reid.
•39. Isabella Hood , b. 4 Dec 1843; m. Robert Crosbie.
•James Smith Hood; b. circa Mar 1847; d. 26 Oct 1848 Cowpits, Inveresk
John Gibson Hood born 30 June 1793
Newton, Mid Lothian, Scotland
Had kids in Inveresk
William Hood a cooper in trouble with law Loanhead not far away
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Thank you for the replies.
dobfarm, I thought that was interesting a while back, the Cook Will, that years later went to Admin and some familiar surnames.
But I have so many, it could be ... . I've found unrelated documents, with familiar surnames together.
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The Quakers deposited some Selby Registers with the Registrar General about 1840 and these form the RG 6 records in TNA, Kew and those online.
But the SELBY MEETING, must have two sets of Birth Registers, as the others are at Leeds.
One file title and a recent book, suggests Quaker associations with "Not in Membership" individuals was much greater than I first thought.
I am really hoping to confirm my ancestor's origin and I'll let you know.
Mark
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The Quaker burial record is indeed the wife of Richard Cockin breeches maker of Doncaster. She was called Deborah and was 41 years old.
She was buried at Warmsworth - interestingly Warmsworth came up in searches I did a few weeks ago - there were a few records of a Bernard Pearson from there in the early to mid 1700's.
Hi
Thank you Claire. Cockin possibly remarried?
January 1841
On Tuesday week, in the 82nd year of her age, Ellen, wife of Mr Cockin, of the Society of Friends, in Doncaster.
Mark
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Yes he remarried 4 April 1799 to Ellen Abraham
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Beat me to it Goughy :)
Quaker marriage:
Richard Cockin a glover , remarried in 1799 to Ellen Abraham in York.
Witnesses: Wm Tuke - tea dealer, Thomas Priestman - tanner. Peter Payne of London - saddler.
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Thank you Goughy and Claire
Found quite a few Hoods now, involved in Protestant Nonconformity and Presbyterianism in England and some in Scotland. The Hood numbers were very tiny in the Yorkshire Quakers, but hoping their Minutes and records tell me more.
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Hi
George Hood, applied in 1836 to be a Quaker and despite Samuel Tuke and Thomas Allis visiting George and "believing him to be a conscientious man and to a considerable degree convinced of" ... the Quaker "principles and practices" ... "we doubt whether the time is arrived for granting his request in regard to admission into membership."
There was no later application in the York Quaker Meeting Index
So this most likely explains the Quaker burial of George Hood as "Not in Membership".
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Jane Hood (late Casson) was almost disowned, but managed to get special treatment, when she married William Hood of Selby a non-believer. Two of the excuses were that she married in a Registry Office and William Hood understood some of the principles of the Quaker beliefs.
It seemed Jane Hood was about the only Quaker to escape disownment for marrying outside their Meeting, the Quakers after several meetings to discuss, kept deferring, then they say regarding the ... "Case of Jane Hood ... we do not feel called upon to take further action."
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Then came an interesting letter from the Secretary of State, Whitehall, London, that despite the Selby Quaker Burial Ground being recently closed to all burials, the Secretary of State has given his authority to the Quaker Registrars at York that there is to be one exception and ordered that Jane Hood can be buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground.
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Seems that Jane Hood (nee Casson) is getting some preferential treatment!
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I'm afraid that despite having another (new) Pte Hood and initials (in Bedfordshire) from Richard and a separate line, the first attempt traces back to an 1803 Hood birth in Staffordshire, which appears to be missing in the village church records.
EDIT: Claire is trying another name, I have suggested for Pte Hood.
Mark
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The other disappointing observation, was that the applications of George Hood's and several others to be admitted Members of the Quakers, were missing in another file, so I couldn't see what my ancestor said to them in his membership request.
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The Selby Meeting seemed to be one of a satellite group of Meetings, under one of the York Monthly Meetings.
The Meetings with Selby and associated Leaders around this 1836 period were:-
YORK - Thomas Allis; Rob't Jackson; H. Richardson; Samuel Tuke; David Priestman; John Walker; William Williamson; Jos King.
SELBY - Jno Hutchinson; William Burtt; William Procter.
COTTINGWITH - Simeon Webster; Simeon Webster jun'r; William Webster; James Wake.
THORNTON - Geo Cartwright; Rob't Leef.
HUBY - John Parkinson; Thomas Peirson; Thomas Pearson (1846).
THIRSK - Thomas Smith; John Baker.
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Some Other Burials in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground
Sarah Procter Evans, Widow, aged 55 years 11th 7Mo 1841
Elizabeth Marshall, Wife of Thomas Marshall, aged 56 years, 20th 6Mo 1842. Death was registered at Leamington, Warwickshire.
Elizabeth Richardson, Wife of Thomas, aged 38 years, 7th 5Mo 1856 NOT IN MEMBERSHIP.
Martha Camm, Wife of Thomas Camm, 45 years NOT IN MEMBERSHIP.
Mary Ann Hood of Selby, Daughter of Wm Hood of Selby and Jane his Wife, aged 2 weeks, 5th 8Mo 1859 NOT IN MEMBERSHIP, Grave Maker John Green.
This is interesting as it shows infant Mary Ann Hood of Selby did not have Quaker Birthright from her Father, suggesting William Hood was not a Quaker in 1859.
Judith Richardson, Junior, Daughter of William Fitten Richardson & Elizabeth his Wife, aged one day, 18th 9Mo 1860 NOT IN MEMBERSHIP.
Peter Richardson, Junior of Selby, Son of William Fitten Richardson and Elizabeth, aged 1 day 18th 9Mo 1860 NOT IN MEMBERSHIP.
Sarah Hodgson of Selby, Wife of Wm Hodgson of Selby, aged 54 years, 23rd 12Mo 1861.
Mark
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It seems the theory George Hood of Selby Anglican marriage was originally born a Quaker seems to be falling apart
One last check one could do ! is check Quaker records to see if George Hood first applied to be married as a Quaker, 1812 to 1815 and later got disowned by the Quakers for marrying in a Anglican church 1815 Selby
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If not! ~ then I would put all attention back on Gateshead George Hood bapt 1786.
More research needed on the other John Hood the publican at the ship Gateshead possible journeyman fill in publican = reasons -Brewery trade & only one child baptism of a John Hood father in Gateshead.1786 +/- 10 years (Not the John Hood mariner who married Eliz Gibson 1779 Newcastle/Tyne)
George Hood of Selby married 1815 say brought up around business of the brewing trade and maturing beer/spirits in barrels under a storage keeper cooper/brewer/seller (trader) of
(Quakers records describe George Hood (the Brewer) as a conscientious man) George's trade is overwhelming - high skill had to be learned or brought up around the trade (not mariner)
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Snip taken from 1851 Staffordshire census (Stretton) .... what is this placename ? Supposed to be in Staffordshire.
In the 1841 census for Stretton, Staffordshire this John Hood says he was not born in county.
Flummoxed ???
EDIT: After looking at the history and manors of Penkridge, think it's rather a crude spelling of CONGREVE, a case of it being written as the enumerator heard it. I think.
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CONGREVE seems most likely being Stretton village, and Stretton Hall are near
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Hi
It is Congriff.
Regards Mark
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Derbyshire is also worth investigating. Joseph Hood (bn 1812 Stretton) married Ann Fone at St Peters Derby 25 December 1835, both single and OTP.
Note- his father is not born in county in the 1841 census. I had wondered if he was born in Derbyshire. There is a baptism c1775 in Derby.
There is also a Stretton somewhere in Derbyshire. :-\
EDIT: where is Congriff - I've never heard of it ::)
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CONGREVE seems most likely being Stretton village, and Stretton Hall are near
Scrap my comment re Hasland.
The surname Congriff is an alias of Congreve (per TNA).
In the 1881 Census an Elizabeth Lloyd, age 38, birth about 1843 Congriff, Staffordshire, per Family search, perhaps worth checking the image to see if her birthplace says Congriff and if so, check her birthplace, with her family another Census year?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-1PXD
Mark
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Image is definitely Congriff in 1881
1861 With parents 'surname' Moorcroft, born Penkridge.
1871 - born Whiston, Staffs.
1891 she is a widow born Pranbridge - which I'm presuming is Penkridge
1901 she is born Beacon Hill, Staffordshire - now living in Featherstone Yorks.
1911 born Penkridge
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Ten years earlier in 1871, Elizabeth Lloyd's birthplace was given as Whiston, Staffordshire.
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1901 - Beacon Hill - where are they ? ( Whiston & Beacon Hill)
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Image is definitely Congriff in 1881
1861 With parents 'surname' Moorcroft, born Penkridge.
1871 - born Whiston, Staffs.
1891 she is a widow born Pranbridge - which I'm presuming is Penkridge
1901 she is born Beacon Hill, Staffordshire - now living in Featherstone Yorks.
1911 born Penkridge
Whiston is about 0.75 of a mile North-West of Congreve, Beacon Hill is just South-west of Congreve, which are North-east of Stretton (Stretton is just North of A5, Watling St).
Whiston is about 1.5 Statute miles West and Stretton 3 Statute miles South-west of Penkridge Railway Station.
Regards Mark
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Birth registration
Eliza Morecroft Qtr. 4 Burton upon Trent 1843
Vol:17 Page:20
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Image is definitely Congriff in 1881
1861 With parents 'surname' Moorcroft, born Penkridge.
1871 - born Whiston, Staffs.
1891 she is a widow born Pranbridge - which I'm presuming is Penkridge
1901 she is born Beacon Hill, Staffordshire - now living in Featherstone Yorks.
1911 born Penkridge
Whiston is about 0.75 of a mile North-West of Congreve, Beacon Hill is just South-west of Congreve, which are North-east of Stretton (Stretton is just North of A5, Watling St).
Whiston is about 1.5 Statute miles West and Stretton 3 Statute miles South-west of Penkridge Railway Station.
Regards Mark
Claire
I wonder what this Elizabeth Lloyd is playing about at, she is giving her Birthplaces, including Congriff [Congreve] Staffordshire in the Census, more or less on, or near the road South-west of Penkridge toward Stretton. However, you say her nee name indicates her Birth in the Registration District of Burton upon Trent.
EDIT: Jomot believes there is some Hood connection with Congreve / Congrave and possibly the Manor House lands?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775813.msg6297682#msg6297682
Mark
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Hi Mark
I mentioned David Hood last week being a witness etc. I've followed him and his family through as has Jomot. I also said that I thought David & Thomas were likely cousins. I also believe there is a possibility that Joseph Hood bn 1812 may be Thomas's brother ( or cousin) given names of both of their children.
My take: There is a John Hood (in the Penkridge registers) - he has numerous children 1740-1759 - they all descend from this fella 😀
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There is also in the Penkridge registers a marriage of a John HEAD, cooper in 1759 to a Tomsin Harris - which given the variation we saw in Yorkshire registers may be worth looking at too.
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I wonder GH Scottish origins
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm and Claire.
I have some questions please, in London, where Hannah Mary Hood born Selby 1850 (who married John Conway Curtis) and was known as Anna Mary Curtis lives. In 1885 she was a Hood witness (of 291 Camberwell Road, London) and John Conway Curtis (her late husband's) address was still the same in the 1901 Probate Index, despite his death at the Constance Road workhouse, East Dulwich, Surrey.
But I can't find the Curtis at the 291 Camberwell Road address in the Census?
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Also wondering if the following might be related:-
John J. Lidle, 291 Camberwell Road, Baker, in 1880 (London Gazette)?
Also a Dairyman Mr Grove of the Dairy and A. M. Grove of Camberwell Green Dairy, 291 Camberwell Road, also seems to live (overlapping with the Curtis) at the same address, according to newspapers?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763680.msg6308109#msg6308109
EDIT:
Just out of interest the Clerkenwell News and London Daily Chronicle 28 January 1871, is advertising a "Grocery Line" and particulars are available from "Mr. S., 291 Camberwell-road, S.E.; near the Green".
The contact was advertised a few times, just as "Mr S." followed by the address, so not a one off misprint.
Regards Mark
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Just checked England & Wales Births on GRO back from 1902 to 1871 and cannot find any Curtis Births with nee Hood.
Curtis Births - Registration District of Camberwell, are fairly popular.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Now this is interesting..... both 1891 and 1901 Census living at 291 Camberwell Road
George Grove b 1852 Selby Head Dairyman/Shopkeeper
Anna Mary Grove b 1852 Selby Wife
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Brilliant find Goughy ;D
When they married John Conway Curtis was living in Moseley, Birmingham and occupation a commercial traveller. A change of name and a move to London is not surprising in this case
Report in the Birmingham Daily Post 01 May 1880
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AAAah, so that's why they lived under another name all their married life - 1881 they totally elude me but as the warrant was 1880 they could be calling themselves anything or avoided the enumerator all together. 😠
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Think this could be them in 1881
George Groves b 1851 LEEDS Coal Agent
Hannah M Groves b 1851 LEEDS
212 Grt Dover Street, Newington, London
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I have some questions please, in London, where Hannah Mary Hood born Selby 1850 (who married John Conway Curtis) and was known as Anna Mary Curtis lives. In 1885 she was a Hood witness (of 291 Camberwell Road, London) and John Conway Curtis (her late husband's) address was still the same in the 1901 Probate Index, despite his death at the Constance Road workhouse, East Dulwich, Surrey.
But I can't find the Curtis at the 291 Camberwell Road address in the Census?
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Also wondering if the following might be related:-
John J. Lidle, 291 Camberwell Road, Baker, in 1880 (London Gazette)?
Also a Dairyman Mr Grove of the Dairy and A. M. Grove of Camberwell Green Dairy, 291 Camberwell Road, also seems to live (overlapping with the Curtis) at the same address, according to newspapers?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763680.msg6308109#msg6308109
Hi Mark
Now this is interesting..... both 1891 and 1901 Census living at 291 Camberwell Road
George Grove b 1852 Selby Head Dairyman/Shopkeeper
Anna Mary Grove b 1852 Selby Wife
Hi
Thank you Goughy and Claire
How interesting to wake up to this! ...
Hannah Mary Hood born 1850 became Anna Mary Curtis. Her husband John Conway Curtis is on the run in 1880, so they change their surname to Grove.
John Conway Curtis left £1702 in 1901, but in 1902 the Will was "Resworn" and worth just over two hundred.
The pair were never discussed!
Mark
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Well, it certainly wasn't what I expected when I began this search.
Spent his life on the run from the law - rather ironic that there is a great piece about him in 1875 - he was a great athlete. It brings new meaning to the words "he is the fastest runner in town"
It includes a photo too - quite a handsome chap :)
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The last sighting of Anna Mary is as a lodging house keeper in the Manchester area.
And there is this from the probate register
Curtis Anna Mary of 14 Herbert Street, Whitworth Park, Manchester widow died 11 October 1911 at the Royal Infirmary Manchester. Administration London 17 January 1912 to the Reverend William Hood, clerk.
£126. 19s. 1d.
There is also a burial at Southern Cemetery on the 14th October of a Anna May Curtis, grave 942 Consecrated ground.
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenLocDetails.aspx?ID=73146
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Hi
Claire, thanks for the link.
Yes, we knew about a Reverend William Hood and he died before his Wife.
His Widow's Will lacks any name/s detail, but certainly includes wording that the solicitor shall claim his fees, expenses and costs, but there could be no reading of her Will at death as nobody (except the solicitor and an accountant as executors) seem to be named, when her solicitor made her Will.
Her Will is poorly worded and I can see now, it went to a Public Notice for persons to make their claims and if no claim was received by x date, her solicitor would choose who was to benefit.
The whole idea of making a Will, is to specify what you want to happen after your death and who is to benefit from your estate, etc.
Lambeth Palace apparently don't keep any records of their Parish Clergy, but sent me a paragraph from Crockford's Clerical Directory of his Parishes and suggested County Records or the Diocesan Record Office might have something, that is assuming he left something among his Parish records and that it was kept, then later deposited.
But I suspect the Vicarage was cleared long before it went to the Public Notice. So family records, pictures, photos, can easily get sold off, given to locals or simply binned if it didn't sell.
Regards Mark
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Hi
I can see Grove of Camberwell, were always called Curtis by the Hoods.
The oil painting of Burns, might be the "framed Oil Painting of A Lady" mentioned elsewhere.
There is more information about Jane Simpson, Cousin of Jane Casson Hood.
W. B. Richmond was not a place, but the artist.
One item which I am not going to name, was adorned with two Lions Heads Gardant (alias Guardant).
The family seems to have and/or collected nice furniture, oil paintings, historical books, china, shares, but nothing listed in sufficient detail, to identify my roots.
One Will has a book list.
EDIT:
There is another Book title, which is currently showing no Google or British Library returns.
The British Library says the nearest book title relates to the Stapleton Family of Yorkshire and of Carlton and Carlton Towers, but no mention found yet of Hood, Cook or Pearson, in the book index.
Google also gives the book about the Stapleton family, but when the book name is placed in commas, with Hood outside of the commas, Google gives the following (see attachment), but the title is different and called the Gentleman's Magazine of 1806.
Surely, I can't be related to these Hoods, unless they have a Yorkshire connection?
I don't feel I'm much further forward, except even more proof, that my line is 100% correct back to George Hood, who married Selby in 1815.
Mark
Added: WILLIAM HOOD of Heslington, Yorkshire family 1807 Will Abstract I have, does mention members of CARR and Hullah familes.
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List of Books specifically mentioned:-
Autobiography of Archbishop Ullathorne,
Morrell's History of Selby, [I believe the History and Antiquities of Selby, 1867, is the same?]
Mountain's History of Selby, [I believe I have an 1800, download of this]
Chronicles of a Yorkshire Family, [Can't find this]
"The Oscotian" - a Literary Gazette of St. Mary's College Oscatt (Memoir of The Right Rev. W.B. Ullathorne Bishop of Birmingham) and
The Chronicles of An Ancient Yorkshire Family: The Ullathornes of Sleningford and some of their descendants 1450 to 1960 by Basil Leonard Kentish. [Oxford Bookseller; the £48 copy has been sold, should have two Genealogies in folder]
The Daughter, of William Hood baptised Selby 1816, married an Ullathorne.
Mark
EDIT: Chronicles of a Yorkshire Family
This is the only serious contender so far, inside cover attached ...
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Earlier you talked of your only clues, Burns picture and others- I agree its worth pushing that line, yet you seem to skim the obvious, after pain staking find of George's burial you found he was not of the Quaker religion, another clue is to be an overseer of the parish George would have to have be Anglican faith involved in the Selby Abbey affairs and baptised C o E.
Available baptisms are 2) Gateshead (Dad John Hood) and Dorset (Mother Hope Hood)
Your local LDS family history library can order all records in the family search catalogue on their website (Cheaper and less time consuming than chasing doc's from archives of a far a way counties and of doc's of the right time period late 18h century)
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Earlier you talked of your only clues, Burns picture and others- I agree its worth pushing that line, yet you seem to skim the obvious, after pain staking find of George's burial you found he was not of the Quaker religion, another clue is to be an overseer of the parish George would have to have be Anglican faith involved in the Selby Abbey affairs and baptised C o E.
Available baptisms are 2) Gateshead (Dad John Hood) and Dorset (Mother Hope Hood)
Your local LDS family history library can order all records in the family search catalogue on their website (Cheaper and less time consuming than chasing doc's from archives of a far a way counties and of doc's of the right time period late 18h century)
Thanks dobfarm
Available baptisms are 2) Gateshead (Dad John Hood) and Dorset (Mother Hope Hood)
I feel these are contenders, the John Hood of Gateshead Father (both with & without a connection to Gibson).
Unfortunately, I've not got any additional clue from the family Wills just received.
That citation leading us to a bit of a dead end in Staffordshire, I'm hoping to re-plan a trip to see the Rentals of Congreve.
Some people seemed to change their religion, like the weather.
There are also Yorkshire Catholic Hoods, one recorded in ...
The Catholic Registers of Holme-on-Spalding-Moor 1744-1840 Copied from the Catholic Record Miscellanea IV (1907)
At Beverley Archives, they only seemed to have the photocopy index to the record (the index was a book in itself) and I recorded ...
Index p.472
Hood John, 372.
The Catholic Archives Office for Yorkshire were dismissive and vague and don't appear to have any records, seemed to be their response.
I've since pressed the matter further with WYAS and Catholic Registers are being withheld due to privacy it seems, that go back 100s of years.
I am frustrated by the Roman Catholics withholding their Registers.
Kind regards Mark
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According to the WYAS response the Catholic Registers for Selby are being withheld.
Mark
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According to the WYAS response the Catholic Registers for Selby are also being withheld.
Registers for St Mary's RC & Carlton are held at Selby - you'll remember, last year I "stumbled" across the housekeeper and she let me have a look through them, births, burials and marriages
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According to the WYAS response the Catholic Registers for Selby are also being withheld.
Registers for St Mary's RC & Carlton are held at Selby - you'll remember, last year I "stumbled" across the housekeeper and she let me have a look through them, births, burials and marriages
Hi Goughy
Yes, I mentioned that a Lady from Selby had managed to access 1780s Selby Catholic baptisms (outside of the time frame of those that were sent to the Registrar General in the late 1830s) and WYAS had to come clean with me, that Catholic Registers going back 100s of years, were being withheld under a privacy rule.
Kind regards Mark
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A Catholic born Overseer of the Anglican parish of Selby Abbey
That would be a first.
reply # 336
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg6179222#msg6179222
I've had a gut feeling for some months, that George Hood was trying to hide a past (perhaps even one of privilege and/or illegitimacy) and consider the poor (being Elected Overseer of the Poor in 1838), as well as local business people.
Regards Mark
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Documents are housed in: The Scriptorium of the Abbey, two safes in
the Vestry and a safe in the Vicarage
https://www.york.ac.uk/media/borthwick/documents/catalogues/pr/s-parishes/Selby%20Abbey%20updated.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_on_Historical_Manuscripts
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Good Morning
Thank you dobfarm.
I have edited my recent posts, as it is not the fault of individual Catholics, but their hierarchy / decision makers for withholding Catholic Registers.
Yorkshire HOOD Catholics
I have only managed to buy so far, a transcribed part of the Papist Returns which cover North Yorkshire.
This and other information gleaned from printed sources, indicates three HOOD groups found so far in Yorkshire who were identified as Catholics in the Survey, held just after the mid 18th Century (which names them).
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Martha Hirlew, Visitor, 1871 Selby Census
This Martha Hirlew is a Visitor to Sarah Hood (nee Richardson), but I have only found a possible Hurlow a Quaker, but a bit early, but wondered please if there might be some Hood link to her family previously?
Newspapers have few Hirlews in England and the others are in Irish newspapers.
RG 10 (1871)
Sarah HOOD, Head, W, 51, Born Selby.
Martha HIRLEW, Visitor, W, 78, No Occupation, Born Selby.
The only Martha Hirlew found so far is a Martha Hurlow, Yorkshire, in RG 6 [Quaker]
Uriah Hurlow Birth Yorkshire 13 August 1810
Parents John Hurlow and Martha Hurlow
Mark
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Morning All,
Both sites I've looked at can't decide on Hirlew or Kirlew. Either way, my guess she is Sarah Hood nee Richardsons Aunt.
Sarah's mother was Mary Blenkin.
Martha Blenkin bn 1795 Hemingborough married at Hemingborough in 1820
Martha Blenkin mar. John Kirlew brickmaker & widower 11 October 1820
He signed she left her mark.
Witnesses: John & William Blenkhorn & Mary Pacey.
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William Hood Heslington:
I can see the Carr family quite easily in the registers. The other family Hullah - not so easy.
There was an earlier Hood family here which had a son William but he died young. I'm thinking this William going by his age may possibly have been born in York going from the age on burial - and possibly some relation to these earlier Hoods who married at the same church as another Hood family who baptised a son ( William) which would fit with this man.
Needs more work on this branch though.
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Martha Hirlew, Visitor, 1871 Selby Census[/u]
This Martha Hirlew is a Visitor to Sarah Hood (nee Richardson), but I have only found a possible Hurlow a Quaker, but a bit early, but wondered please if there might be some Hood link to her family previously?
Newspapers have few Hirlews in England and the others are in Irish newspapers.
RG 10 (1871)
Sarah HOOD, Head, W, 51, Born Selby.
Martha HIRLEW, Visitor, W, 78, No Occupation, Born Selby.
Hi Mark
I think this is Martha KIRLEW (we've looked into her before). She was Martha Blenkin and married John Kirlew in Hemingbrough in 1820. I don't think we found any Hood link.
EDIT - we must have hit the button at the same time Claire :)
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Hi Claire and Goughy
Thank you.
Oops! Sorry for going over old ground re Hirlew alias Martha Kirlew.
William HOOD 1807 of Heslington & CARR
According to the Yorkshire Archaeological Service (Y.A.S.) document catalogue descriptions PDF
https://library.leeds.ac.uk > YAS_MD217
Francis Carr was a Land Agent of Heslington and go back some time. In 1852 he was admitted to the Manor of Dunnington.
Dunnington was where Wells Hood, the Wine & Spirit Merchant of York, was born, linked to Richard Hood (alias spelling Hurd).
Mark
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Regarding the surrendering of Catholic Registers to the Registrar General in 1837 & 1857, The National Archives make this comment ...
"Perhaps so few catholic registers were surrendered because they contained records of illegal marriages; between 1754 and 1837, under the terms of Lord Hardwicke’s Marriage Act, it was a legal requirement to marry in the Church of England."
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/catholics/
I believe only Quakers and Jews were the first to be exempted.
I wonder if the mystery Jane buried 1803 (described as John Hood's Wife) who we presumed married John Hood of Selby, Mariner, married John Hood in a Catholic Church?
Mark
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Hello
The Catholics were being persecuted or despised by the State and some forbidden from owning their own property (by inheritance), holding offices, such as a Lawyer etc. and this was still going on throughout most of the 18th Century and they did not get more relief from restrictions until as late as 1829.
Papists Act 1778 - First Act for Roman Catholic Relief.
Roman Catholic Relief Act 1791 - granted toleration for their schools & places of worship.
Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829 - Act came about, after the repeal of Penal Laws.
"Relief", refers to the removal of restrictions upon Catholics.
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In the early 18th Century Lady Petre at Selby was forced to declare her Lands at Selby and she also names one Hood, a Barber. I am wondering if this Hood at Selby was Catholic.
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My late Grandfather's, late Brother's family have been in touch claiming that they have found a Samuel Hood buried at Selby as late as 17 July 1780 (before the recorded Parish burial of Jane Hood in 1803).
There is no record in the Selby Abbey (the State, Church of England) Parish Register transcriptions of a 1780 Hood burial.
I shall have to write a letter and see if we can visit these Catholic records at Selby and check if there are any Hoods amongst them.
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I have only managed to buy part of Yorkshire transcribed (by John P Perkins & Pauline M. Litton, 1990) Returns of Papist 1767: Diocese of Chester which covers only North-West Yorkshire.
HOOD Anne, age 60, Widow of Thomas, Barber, Resident 20 years, Township or Place - Richmond
The Catholic Registers of Holme-on-Spalding-Moor 1744-1840 Copied from the Catholic Record Miscellanea IV (1907)
At Beverley Archives, they only seemed to have the photocopy index to the record (the index was a book in itself) and I recorded ...
Index p.472
Hood John, 372.
So it seems there are some Hood Catholics dotted about in Yorkshire.
Mark
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Hello
1861 Census
Found a Charles Hood aged 53, born Walkington Yorkshire (about 1808) with a PEARSON Niece and Nephew, on Ancestry.
1841
Charles Hood and Ruth Hood (born Skipsea) are at Skipsea, Brough, in 1841, where there is also a James Hood aged 10, in the household of Paul Pearson aged 60 (on the left Census page).
Be interesting if it went back to the COOK or other spare surname we have?
But there does not seem to be a Baptism/Birth on Ancestry, for Charles Hood to check out his parentage?
Regards Mark
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Walkington:
Charles Hood son of William and Mary - 9 May 1808 - FindMyPast
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Marriage
Charles Hood of Hunmanby married Ruth Pearson after Banns 29 Nov. 1831
Both left their mark
Witnesses : Hannah Blinking * (looks like)
James ? ?
* Blenkin was the maiden surname of Sarah Richardsons mother was it not ?
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Walkington marriage
William Hood & Mary Twide married after Banns 12 Dec. 1790
Both left their mark
Witnesses: Ralph Benison & Samuel Bielby
I'm sure we've looked at this family before :-\
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Click this link to see earlier images ...
Hi
William Richardson married Mary Blenkin in Hemingborough 1816. ( Parents)
A daughter Hannah baptised 1817, SARAH was baptised 1819 and brother John was baptised 1821, there are possibly more siblings.
John & his wife are a few doors away from Sarah Hood (widow of GH) on Gowthorpe in the 1851 census. On the cemetery plan you put on the thread, John Richardson & wife are at the top of the column where your Hoods are third in the column
Morning All,
Both sites I've looked at can't decide on Hirlew or Kirlew. Either way, my guess she is Sarah Hood nee Richardsons Aunt.
Sarah's mother was Mary Blenkin.
Martha Blenkin bn 1795 Hemingborough married at Hemingborough in 1820
Martha Blenkin mar. John Kirlew brickmaker & widower 11 October 1820
He signed she left her mark.
Witnesses: John & William Blenkhorn & Mary Pacey.
Martha Hirlew, Visitor, 1871 Selby Census[/u]
This Martha Hirlew is a Visitor to Sarah Hood (nee Richardson), but I have only found a possible Hurlow a Quaker, but a bit early, but wondered please if there might be some Hood link to her family previously?
Newspapers have few Hirlews in England and the others are in Irish newspapers.
RG 10 (1871)
Sarah HOOD, Head, W, 51, Born Selby.
Martha HIRLEW, Visitor, W, 78, No Occupation, Born Selby.
Hi Mark
I think this is Martha KIRLEW (we've looked into her before). She was Martha Blenkin and married John Kirlew in Hemingbrough in 1820. I don't think we found any Hood link.
EDIT - we must have hit the button at the same time Claire :)
Marriage
Charles Hood of Hunmanby married Ruth Pearson after Banns 29 Nov. 1831
Both left their mark
Witnesses : Hannah Blinking * (looks like)
James ? ?
* Blenkin was the maiden surname of Sarah Richardsons mother was it not ?
Thank you Bumblebee and Claire (today) and earlier reply from Goughy
I like the BLINKIN link to this Charles HOOD Marriage question I put on today AND the other BLENKIN connection to MY HOODs (Sarah Richardson marr John Hood of Selby)?
Distant Hoods perhaps?? OR
One of our PEARSON family I'm looking for?? OR
Blenkin and Blinkin - a coincidence (not related to each other)?
Anything in it please?
Mark
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Hi
Hannah BLENKING was baptised 25 Dec. 1808 Skipsea - Bapt included. She also married in 1832 a Robert DOLPHIN in Skipsea
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Hi
Hannah BLENKING was baptised 25 Dec. 1808 Skipsea - Bapt included. She also married in 1832 a Robert DOLPHIN in Skipsea
Thanks Claire
The Danby surname jumps off the page straight away, possibly not for the right reason (as there may be no connection). But one Danby is later linked to Hood who came from Scotland 1659/1660, who settled at Kirkbridge etc., Yorkshire and elsewhere.
I've located another set records, not even online, nor even indexed going back hundreds of years, made a preliminary inquiry to visit and I'll hopefully have an answer (said that before) by the end of next month, as to whether they'll confirm George's parentage!
So relax, enjoy the weather, and/or your own family trees!!
Mark
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Nearly jumped off my seat
William Richardson = Mary Blenkin marriage in 1816
A witness was a Richard DALBY
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Thanks Claire
Finding a RUSSELL Catholic with a RICHARDSON sponsor at Selby and all the other Varieties of Religions in my family, I've been checking with the Tomato Sauce & Beans Factory, if I can have "57" added in my name! ;D ???
Mark
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
From Part 3 of the George Hood Burial where? ... thread (now completed)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg5964598#msg5964598
Quote from Goughy Reply #174 of 08 November 2015
Hi Mark
I thought it would be useful to just put down James and Sarah's family for "tracking purposes"
Mary Ellen Hood b Selby 1853
Elizabeth Cook Hood b Selby 1854
Adeline Hood b Selby 1855
Sarah Hood b Selby 1856
John Wilkinson Hood b Selby 1858
William Russell Hood b Selby 1861 [born 1860, registered 1861]
James Alfred Hood b Sunderland 1863
George Arundel Hood b 1865 Selby
Bernard Pearson Hood b 1870 Scarborough
In the 1871 Census, Mary Ellen Hood is staying with a Dobson family in Bowling, Bradford and is stated as "cousin". The head of household is Thomas Duckworth Dobson b 1829 Wakefield and his wife Mary Ann b 1833 London, Middlesex. Thomas Duckworth Dobson married Mary Ann Bateman in 1855 in Selby.
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Hi
That "George" on Sarah Arundel's "Illegitimate Child" Baptism record, must be her Grandfather? In the back of the Wesleyan Register George Arundel is their "Society Steward".
So when Sarah Arundel puts John Arundel on her Marriage Certificate for Father, she is definitely suggesting she is a result of an incestuous liaison, or both her parents were Arundel.
Because if you are a known illegitimate Daughter to Mary Arundel, you don't put John Arundel for your Father on your Marriage, with George (on the Illegitimate Register entry), unless your Father was actually John Arundel. It makes no sense to me, to make it look like an incestuous relationship, if it wasn't incest.
James Hood's decendants were led to believe that Sarah Arundel's Father was a male Arundel, when she was both known to be illegitimate and her Mother was Mary Arundel.
John Wilkinson might be no more than Sarah Arundel's Step-Father by marriage to the Mother, only.
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Wilkinson might be yet another surname also with links to my mystery George Hood, descent.
When a George Hood appears in the Knottingley Land Tax in 1813, the owner is George WILKINSON and the year before (1812) a John COOK was occupying the same premises.
Image extracts here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6086926#msg6086926
Regards Mark
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That "George" on Sarah Arundel's "Illegitimate Child" Baptism record, must be her Grandfather? In the back of the Wesleyan Register George Arundel is their "Society Steward".
So when Sarah Arundel puts John Arundel on her Marriage Certificate for Father, she is definitely suggesting she is a result of an incestuous liaison, or both her parents were Arundel.
Because if you are a known illegitimate Daughter to Mary Arundel, you don't put John Arundel for your Father on your Marriage, with George (on the Illegitimate Register entry), unless your Father was actually John Arundel. It makes no sense to me, to make it look like an incestuous relationship, if it wasn't incest.
John Wilkinson might be no more than Sarah Arundel's Step-Fathe
Hi Mark
Yes, George on her baptism record is her grandfather. As far as using the name "John Arundel" as her father on her marrigage certificate. It was very common for known illegitimate people to "make-up" a father's name when marrying - it happened "a lot" in my family! As you know, her mum married John Wilkinson, Stone mason and on her marriage certificate father recorded as John Arundel stone mason, so for me she simply used the first name and occupation of her step-father (who obviously brought her up as his daughter) for marriage purposes.
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Hi
It makes absolutely no sense to claim Sarah Arundel's Father was a male Arundel, when her Birth says "Illegitimate Child" to Mary Arundel.
I'm only raising this, because the Wilkinson surname has brief links to George Hood at Knottingley in 1813.
Mark
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Hello All
Some of George Hood's grandchildren (by James Hood, George Hood's son) carried surnames in their middle names, named after earlier generations.
One carried COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood), being named after ?
One carried WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood) linked to James wife Sarah - Sarah's side.
One carried RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah (Sarah Russell).
One carried ALFRED (James Alfred Hood) Alfred, either a surname or forename.
One carried ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel)
One carried PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood)
Having been totally misled by the Selby BT Marriage copy and my original photocopy from film (posted from Selby Library) which was reproduced fairly light, I have now managed to get a better image of the original 1815 Selby Marriage entry, which I attach.
James Cookin W
My wife who worked as a Clerk in a Solicitors and then spent all her working life in various admin rolls, feels the signature could say ...
James Cook in W meaning ...
James Cook in Witness
Apparently, prefixing or following your signature by the words in Witness was used on documents.
Sarah's Signature
It seems that Sarah has started her signature and been advised to sign further to the right and has started again.
Now, I'm wondering if the mystery Cook, was James Cook and a relation?
Thank you.
Regards Mark
First child of James and Sarah Hood nee Arundal was Mary Ellen Hood.
Being the first child could mean importance.
Ellen or Ellin is used as a surname or a Mary Ellen used as combined one first name using two first names as they rhyme as one name, like "Mary-Ellen Walton" in the TV Walton's serial.
Mary Ellen (with a maiden name) could be a mother or a (or Gt) grandmothers first name in the Hood or Arundel families
or two sisters one Mary and another Ellen
Just a thought
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Hi
Thank you dobfarm.
Upon reflection Goughy, your suggestion is very plausible and Wilkinson is very likely accounted for as Father (or possibly as Step-Father).
I couldn't put John Aundel as my Father on my Marriage, then sign (and expect witnesses to sign too), if he were not my Father.
Yes dobfarm, Ellen and Alfred, although they can be surnames, could well be first names.
There are quite a number of naming sequences and one of these also refers to the possibility of Godparents and the use of Aunts and Uncles.
Ellen Hood was James Hood's Sister, so Ellen an Aunt to James child.
Alfred is an interesting one, if he was not a Godparent, giving Alfred Hood perhaps?
That leaves Pearson and Cook.
Cook could fit in with the John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson, so it is not discarded.
Selby
Although Pearson; the missing Presbyterian records at Selby; no Jane Hood marriage; George Hood born Yorkshire 1841 (a few of which may be wrong in the Census), are all troubling me and these that can be ruled out, I need to rule out.
We wish to have a good scout about in the Abbey, another look at the Abbey Floor etc., see where the reference to the Samuel Hood 1780 event originates from (it is not in Selby Church book when the floor was relaid, nor Register); visit the Quaker Burial ground and have already sent a letter asking to see withheld Selby Registers. Information and the answer as to who Jane was, might be in Catholic records.
We know Lord Petre was a Catholic and Catholic Lords of the Manor, were often sympathetic to Catholics, or people who helped those presecuted.
Thank you, Mark
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We wish to have a good scout about in the Abbey, another look at the Abbey Floor etc., see where the reference to the Samuel Hood 1780 event originates from (it is not in Selby Church book when the floor was relaid, nor Register); visit the Quaker Burial ground and have already sent a letter asking to see withheld Selby Registers. Information and the answer as to who Jane was, might be in Catholic records.
The "Quaker Burial Ground" is now just a very small recently renovated garden with only one or two headstones from the year dot. The bulk of the Burial Ground was an orchard and is now a car park.
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Hi
Thanks Goughy. Selby Quaker Burial Ground was once called Summerfield.
I'm very disappointed a car park was built over part of it, but King Richard III was found under a car park.
Mark
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Hello
Regarding Jane Hood (Jane Casson Hood), of Westfield in the Parish of Brayton, Selby, Widow of William Hood of Selby. (William Hood bapt. Selby 1816 Son of George Hood & Sarah Russell).
Jane Hood lists items in 1893 and said Jane Simpson was her Cousin and also refers to a "worked map of Ireland".
You worked out the Peacock connection to Casson.
a) Any help please with Jane Simpson's identity?
(Not sure if the Thomas Simpson attachment is of use, or not)
EDIT: Where it refers to the painting of Jane Simpson by Richmond, I have received information which says "Jane Simpson by W. B. Richmond", so an Artist and not the place.
So possibly William Blake Richmond was the artist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blake_Richmond
b) Also a "map of Ireland"? Not the usual object for a Yorkshire household?
1724 - Pearson connection with Selby and Ireland
Richard Pierson (also spelt Richard Pearson) of Selby (Brother Thomas Firman) also had property in Ireland, as well as Selby, Will of Richard Peirson of Selby 7th June 1724.
Rather interesting as Pearson's original Will seems to be registered as a property Memorial ...
Memorial Registered Wakefield 12 April 1733, [Vol.] EE page 596 et Numb 872.
Also a separate Indenture of 1708
Indenture between Joseph Hall of Selby Yeoman And Richard Peirson of Selby in the County of York.
Summary -
Messuage or Tenement with the Barn Stable Malt Kiln Horse Mill, Garth Garden or Orchard thereto and all the other buildings thereto adjoining in Ouzgate [Ousegate] Selby abutting on the Church Dam toward South and the River Ouse toward the North the Messuage or Tenement of Francis Walmesley Esq called the Suger house towards the Croft and the Messuage or Tenement of Mary the now wife of Isaack Bernard towards the West and now in the occupation of the said Joseph Hall his under Tennants or Assigns together with all and Singular Outhouses Edifices Garths Commons Common of Pasture Ways Watercourses profitts Commodities Hereditaments and Appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage or Tenement and Premises hereinbefore mentioned or in any wise appteyning or therewithall used occupied or Enjoyed [sic] ...
Thank you, Mark
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Hi
When Mary Peacock (Jane Cassons mother) was born one of the witnesses in the register was a Jane Pennock.
An Amey Pennock (bn Seamer) married a William Simpson (from Hull) in Seamer 1795. (Anglican marriage)
Their daughter Jane Simpson was bpt. a Quaker in 1798.
Father was a house carpenter and joiner.
This daughter Jane Simpson went on to marry a William Simpson a school master in 1823 (Quaker marriage)
Claire
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Hello
Thanks Claire.
Jane also says in 2nd attachment ...
"Map of England & Wales worked by my Mother,"
so the reference to the map in the 1st attachment
"my Mother's workbox worked map of Ireland"
is probably also Jane Mother's.
I can't take the reference to Ireland as a possible clue for Hood.
Mark
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Yeh But!! George's son William Hood did not marry Jane Casson ( born 1818 Thorne) till 1851 in Scarborough some 6 years after George Hood died Selby 1845 aged 60. So how would Jane Casson's relatives (or her mother) be connected to aforesaid George Hood or source of his birth place some 66 years in 1785 to 1787 (ish) before as they married 1851 ???
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Hello
Yes dobfarm, It does not seem the map of Ireland belonged to the Hood side (per my last post), looks like it was worked by Jane Casson's Mother.
One Yorkshire John HOOD was late of JAMAICA in the West Indies.
Will August 1774 John Hood of York; Heworth and late of Jamaica
John Hood of the Parish of St Sampson in the City of York but late of Jamaica in the West Indies Merchant ... I give and bequeath to my own Mother Ann Harrison Widow of the City of York now residing in Sop Lane in the Parish of St Michael Le Belfrey all my Estate of Real and Personal ...
two friends Thomas Gray Merchant in Aldermanbury Street in the City of London and Edward Clough Proctor of the Parish of St Michael Le Belfrey in the City of York ...
bequeath to John Waugh born of the body of Ann Waugh about four years of age in the Parish of Welton in the East Riding of the County of York ...
reference to the - sale of my whole Estate and Effects - payment of interest - annuity ...
Witnesses John Atkinson Rob't Pearson John Wallis 14 September 1769
Codicil 5 November 1770 make void the Legacy to John Waugh of £100 and be part of my Personal Estate ...
Another entry says this John Hood was formerly of the Island of Jamaica in the West Indies, late of the Parish of St Sampson in the City of York, dying at Heworth in the County of York Merchant.
Mark
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Doing a blank open Hood (and known possible connection sunames) search in Ireland, Isle of man, Channel Isles and Scotland (or even India ? or empire dominions) makes sense in its own right especially Wills/probate records also parish and other denomination of discerners records. Unless George was a self made man from poor law education & apprenticeship origins of his low needed start up funds somewhere. Skills George learned, picking up bankrupt business tools of the trade & chance of existing set up cooper premises to rent and did a deal with the Prete's. Modest inherited funding left in a Will could explain the restart of R Gibson's Cooper by George.
(with as below)
Finding a Cooper to rekindle existing laid out barrel making premises for rent with some kind of deal 'pay back as you work loan' deal & business accounting help by Lord Petre or his estate with parish admin .
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This is all very tenuous and I recall the Fleur de lis symbol also being discussed as a boy.
Regards Mark
Hi
I need to look into Fleur de Lis and SPENCER.
On the wall of Selby Abbey is a SPENCER Burial Memorial with three Fleur de Lis on, I recall my Grandma talking about Fleur de Lis, as a boy.
Richard Spencer Merchant
Son of Mr Nath'l Spencer
Borne at Leeds. The First
Day of February Anno. 1662
& Buried 13. of Februa' 1690
Mark
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This is all very tenuous and I recall the Fleur de lis symbol also being discussed as a boy.
Regards Mark
Hi
I need to look into Fleur de Lis and SPENCER.
On the wall of Selby Abbey is a SPENCER Burial Memorial with three Fleur de Lis on, I recall my Grandma talking about Fleur de Lis, as a boy.
Richard Spencer Merchant
Son of Mr Nath'l Spencer
Borne at Leeds. The First
Day of February Anno. 1662
& Buried 13. of Februa' 1690
Mark
The Spencer Memorial was a Shield (Family Arms).
Three Fleur de lis in a row, diagonally - top left to bottom right.
Two Squares (each with four equal square segments (panes) ) - top right to bottom left (one either side of the row of Fleur de lis).
I recall as a boy my Grandmother (Hood side) discussing the Fleur de lis, with my Grandfather (Mother's) side, also discussed were crows, rooks and ravens [bird type on the Hood Arms].
Mark
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This is all very tenuous and I recall the Fleur de lis symbol also being discussed as a boy.
Regards Mark
Hi
I need to look into Fleur de Lis and SPENCER.
On the wall of Selby Abbey is a SPENCER Burial Memorial with three Fleur de Lis on, I recall my Grandma talking about Fleur de Lis, as a boy.
Richard Spencer Merchant
Son of Mr Nath'l Spencer
Borne at Leeds. The First
Day of February Anno. 1662
& Buried 13. of Februa' 1690
Mark
The Spencer Memorial had a Shield (Family Arms).
Three Fleur de lis in a row, diagonally - top left to bottom right.
Two Squares (each with four equal square segments (panes) ) - top right to bottom left (one either side of the row of Fleur de lis).
I recall as a boy my Grandmother (Hood side) discussing the Fleur de lis, with my Grandfather (Mother's) side, also discussed were crows, rooks and ravens [bird type on the Hood Arms].
Mark
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Doing a blank open Hood (and known possible connection sunames) search in Ireland, Isle of man, Channel Isles and Scotland (or even India ? or empire dominions) makes sense in its own right especially Wills/probate records also parish and other denomination of discerners records. Unless George was a self made man from poor law education & apprenticeship origins of his low needed start up funds somewhere. Skills George learned, picking up bankrupt business tools of the trade & chance of existing set up cooper premises to rent and did a deal with the Prete's. Modest inherited funding left in a Will could explain the restart of R Gibson's Cooper by George.
(with as below)
Finding a Cooper to rekindle existing laid out barrel making premises for rent with some kind of deal 'pay back as you work loan' deal & business accounting help by Lord Petre or his estate with parish admin .
Hi
Thanks dobfarm, if only I had a clue.
Trip to Yorkshire and more of the Hood Wills proved unsuccessful! Even tried a few SPENCER of Scarborough (no help either).
Richard Spencer of Scarborough, County of York Taylor, April 1785, Will
appointed Elijah Winn of Scarborough Gentleman Executor
my Grand Daughter Temperence Spencer
following were bequeathed sums of money
Reverend Samuel Bottomley
my Step-Daughter Jane Smithson
my kinswoman Martha Potch [or Martha Petch]
my kinsman Thomas CLARKSON
Upon Trust that he or they do pay and apply the same unto and for the only use and benefit of
my unfortunate Niece Ann Spruce ...
Mark & Seal 10 March 1785 of Richard Spencer
Witnesses M or W or H Mc George
Galf'us Jas Mc George
Past 7 April 1785 [sic]
Richard Spencer of Scarborough in the Diocese of York Mariner Dec 1746, Admin Dickering Deanery
Deceased Intestate (as it is asserted)
Admon granted to Robert Spencer his Son (Ann Spencer the Widow & Relict of the said deceased having first renounced her Right to the admon thereof)
Inven[to]ry was ex[hibi]ted under 20£ Bond Ent[e]red.
Mark
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Hi
When Mary Peacock (Jane Cassons mother) was born one of the witnesses in the register was a Jane Pennock.
An Amey Pennock (bn Seamer) married a William Simpson (from Hull) in Seamer 1795. (Anglican marriage)
Their daughter Jane Simpson was bpt. a Quaker in 1798.
Father was a house carpenter and joiner.
This daughter Jane Simpson went on to marry a William Simpson a school master in 1823 (Quaker marriage)
Claire
A John Pennock and Roger Jackson were witnesses to the Oct 1850 Will of John Hood of Costa Mill in the Parish of Middleton and North Riding in the County of York (Miller) ...
Wife Eleanor Hood
my Daughter Elizabeth Hood
my Son John Hood
my Son John Hood to be Executor
Signed and Sealed John Hood LS (Locus sigilli) 27th July 1846.
Pass'd 18th October 1850.
Mark
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Thanks dobfarm & Claire
Family Search images for Rawcliffe / Goole ...
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/723847?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Regards Mark
For reference later (I've only viewed one film so far), Mark
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Standering and Burton
Standering and Burton, Ousegate, Selby, were Wine and Spirit Merchants in William White's 1837 Directory, later becoming Standering and Burton Limited of Selby.
George Hood of Selby
This might explain why George Hood acquired a load of property in Ousegate in 1838, I know at least part of the property was kept in Trust by the Hoods and used by James Collinson.
I'm wondering if the other part of the Ousegate properties acquired by Hood in 1838, might have been used by Standering and Burton.
I could never understand why George Hood purchased a part of Ousegate, because he was already set up with Wren Lane and 4/5ths share of a House (divided into three) in Gowthorp with Yards, Buildings, Garden and Orchard. George Hood acquired the last 1/5th before he died.
Pitt and Pearson
Interesting that a George PEARSON was in a similar Wine Trade etc?
George Pearson left the partnership in 1838.
Mark
The Leeds Mercury 14th April 1838
THE BEST SODA WATER IN THE KINGDOM ! ! !
PITT and PEARSON of Selby, Wines, Spirits, London Porter, Tea, Coffee, & c. Real Havannah Cigars, Soda Water and Lemonade of the purest Water by Steam Power.
Their advert, Pitt and Pearson, Market Place, Selby dated 30th March 1838 of Mr HENRY PITT confirms GEORGE PEARSON was his BROTHER.
Another advert suggests they had connections with Hull and London.
Is it possible please, to work out their parentage and place of birth, if HENRY PITT 's Brother was GEORGE PEARSON?
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Also, The Hull Advertiser 19th April 1833
TO BE LET
Also PITT and PEARSON were advertising the "ROSE and CROWN", Crescent, Selby, now in the occupation of Mr Benjamin MATTHEWMAN.
Interesting that the Selby Cemetery Grave Plan has a MATTHEWMAN grave next to my JOHN HOOD and Wife Sarah Hood, with BURTON (known to be related to Sarah RUSSELL) and Standering Graves, adjacent too.
Anything on these two Brothers:- HENRY PITT and GEORGE PEARSON, please?
Thank you, Mark
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Well to start:
In the 1841 census Henry Pitt wine merchant was 'not' born in county (Yorkshire)
He was living on Gowthorp with his wife Mary (Watson)
He married by licence dated 22 Nov 1824,
His residence was Selby and he was 27
Mary Watson was resident at York St Michael Le Belfrey, and was 23
He went bankrupt 23 December 1842 ( info from Bankrupt Directory 1820-1843)
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COMPLETELY EDITED THE POST
George Pearson married Ann WATSON in Selby 1822
Ann Watson & Mary Watson must have been sisters, making George Pearson & Henry Pitt brothers in law.
claire
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Thank you Claire
Was George Pearson a local?
Mark
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In 1851 George Pearson was living with wife and son in Hambleton. He was Commercial Traveller. He gives his birth as Aberford (abt 14 miles from Selby). There's a baptism in 1791 in Aberford giving his parents as Thomas (Farmer) and Sarah
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In 1851 George Pearson was living with wife and son in Hambleton. He was Commercial Traveller. He gives his birth as Aberford (abt 14 miles from Selby). There's a baptism in 1791 in Aberford giving his parents as Thomas (Farmer) and Sarah
Thank you Goughy
Although he may not even be the Pearson of interest, as I simply don't yet know which Pearson or Cook(e) or Cookin, I should even be seeking.
Mark
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Backtracking to John Hood - Ballast Hills, and Adam Hood etc.
Adam Hoods parents: James Hood and Isabella YOUNG
Baptism at Newcastle upon Tyne, St Nicholas. 13 July 1820 - Robert CANT Hood - son of John Hood and Barbara
Wonder if this is their marriage given the name of the witnesses : Hull 23 August 1809
Hi
The image featured on the link mentions Barbara Elstob.
The Marriage Bond Index at York Archives says ...
John Hood 27 Hull, Barbara Elstob 21 Hull, 22 August 1809, St Mary's Hull.
Will of Robert Cant Hood, March 1854, Oswaldkirk
Robert Cant Hood of Oswaldkirk in the County of York Post Office Messenger a Bachelor ...
unto my friend was Robert Dalton of North Cave ... County of York Merchant and my KINSWOMAN Rebecca ELSTOB of Newcastle upon Tyne in the County of the same town Spinster to be equally divided between them share and share alike.
Joint Executors Robert Dalton and John Duncun of the City of York Innkeeper ... 2 September 1851 Rob C Hood.
Witnesses Henry Parker of Oswaldkirk Gardner // Robert Metcalfe of Oswaldkirk Post Office Messenger // Pass'd 28 March 1854.
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Some information also mentioned here (Richard Gibson thread) ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6072962#msg6072962
The links with Newcastle upon Tyne are interesting?
Mark
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Another marriage of interest
6 December 1790 Hull St Mary by licence
Simon ELSTOB & Elizabeth HOOD
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: Robert Tate & Wm Hooke ?
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The Will of Robert Ward of New Malton Aug. 1782 has a small bequest to a William Arundell.
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Another marriage of interest
6 December 1790 Hull St Mary by licence
Simon ELSTOB & Elizabeth HOOD
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: Robert Tate & Wm Hooke ?
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The Will of Robert Ward of New Malton Aug. 1782 has a small bequest to a William Arundell.
dobfarm 02 November 15 (George Hood Burial where? ... Part 1 Reply # 165)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5797262#msg5797262
Thorganby Burial
Mary TATE HOOD
Wife of Thomas TATE HOOD
Labourer
21st May, 1781
End of Quote
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Hi
Thank you very much Claire. Good work!
The only Will missed (at York) of the period ??? James Hood of Allerthorpe 1770.
Mark
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Hi
COOKIN
The Leeds Times, 23 March 1844
On Sunday, William, eldest son of Mr John Cookin, fancy manufacturer, Deighton, near Huddersfield.
Sarah Hood, my 3 X Gt. Grandmother Sarah Hood had a Fancy Goods shop in Finkle St., Selby ... The Berlin Fancy Goods Repository.
Always thought it an old name, but seen Berlin Wools and Fancy Goods elsewhere, perhaps a type of franchise or agent for the company?
COCKIN, a Quaker Obituary
John Cockin, Leeds. 79 years, 22 November 1861.
https://archive.org/stream/annualmonitorfo23greegoog
Any use, thinking of James Cookin (witness) on George Hood's 1815 Marriage and 1845 Quaker "Not in Membership" 1845 Burial?
Mark
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Hello
Regarding Berlin Wool and Fancy Goods ...
The vintage Kirriemuir website has some postcard views of 1910, or posted 1910 ...
The Square, Kirriemuir
Originally posted 1910 with Berlin Wool Repository, David Hood Drapery Warehouse and W. B. Mills Bookseller & Printer.
http://www.vintagekirriemuir.com/bank-street-through-the-years?lightbox=image_zgh
(give it time to load page)
Probably a coincidence.
Regards Mark
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And who was DAVID HOOD ? ? ?
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Hello
Regarding Berlin Wool and Fancy Goods ...
The vintage Kirriemuir website has some postcard views of 1910, or posted 1910 ...
The Square, Kirriemuir
Originally posted 1910 with Berlin Wool Repository, David Hood Drapery Warehouse and W. B. Mills Bookseller & Printer.
http://www.vintagekirriemuir.com/bank-street-through-the-years?lightbox=image_zgh
(give it time to load page)
Probably a coincidence.
Regards Mark
David Hood - Probably nobody of interest.
Just that a Hood might be linked to the Berlin Wool business elsewhere in the UK.
Mark
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The Berlin Wool Fair was held in Berlin
"German dealers, speculators, and small manufacturers were very active in buying." English bought more here than at other Fairs, according to Louis Bernard, "Sworn Broker and Taxator at the Royal Bank, Berlin."
However, a few years later in 1846 the British Chancellor of the Exchequer was considering whether to apply an import duty to Berlin Wool, but decided to apply a tax due to its Luxury cloth status.
Looks like my 3 X Gt. Grandmother Sarah Hood was one of many UK businesses, selling Berlin Wool, cloth and Embroidery Patterns etc., from Berlin?
Mark
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Hello All
Thanks Claire for the reply.
I'm hoping that developments in the last 24 hours regarding George Hood's past (buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground as "Not in Membership"), will show the first signs of a few cracks!
Maudland Hood
One of the witnesses at Maudland Hood's Wedding at Selby 27th November 1794 was Frances STEARS.
After searching Family Search again, there is a possibility that witness Frances Stears, might be a Quaker?
[ADDED: Frances Stears Witness at Maudland Hood's 1794 Marriage at Selby was proven to be the same Frances Stears in other Quaker documents - by Signature comparison]
Frances Stears to Richard Yarwood 4th February 1796
For the Stears = Yarwood marriage Family Search are quoting Quaker references:-
RG 6/785 (TNA cat - says Yorkshire QUARTERLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends' Registers)
and
RG 6/857 (TNA cat - says York - MONTHLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends Registers).
Frances Yarwood, aged 83, is recorded as a Quaker at death, Hull.
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Maudland Hood's Father was John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough, where Maudland Hood's birth and Baptism dates are recorded - St Mary's).
Regards Mark
Thomas Stears - Death 1862
Wondered if this Thomas Stears might be a possible Brother, to the Quaker Frances Stears please in the Quote above?
May 26, at Centreville, North America, aged 87 years, Mr Thomas Stears, late of Florence, and formerly of Waxholme, Yorkshire, England. Hull Packet, 20th June 1862.
Internet information had this USA Thomas Stears, a Quaker with suggested links to Harrison and Jackson.
I've got Yorkshire HOOD Will notes mentioning Jackson and Harrison surnames.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2bYaRLNfkk8C&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=%22Thomas+Stears%22+waxholme&source=bl&ots=YUbSsr3m0-&sig=l2kpC8K1t4mxy18gvW_jkmO07Lo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTjIv2_sXWAhWRKFAKHQTjBR8Q6AEIHTAA
In the book a Jane Simpson, Todd, Richardson, Hull and Sculcoates, nr Hull, are all mentioned too!
The author seems to be linking some (suggestions) without making a documentary link?
Thanks Mark
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Will Summaries
John Hood, June 1815, Kirkby Misperton
I John Hood of Ryton in the County of York Jobber ...
my daughter Mary Sunley ...
my daughter Ann Gawbry ...
my daughter Jane Hodgson ...
my daughter Elizabeth Abbott ...
and lastly ... I appoint my son Robert Hood and my son in Law Thomas Harrison Sole Executors ...
11 September 1814 ...
Witnessed Rob't Drake // Richard Fox
Pass'd 5 June 1815.
Margaret Hood, June 1795 Howden
I Margaret Hood late of Howden in the County of York but now of Bubwith ... County of York Spinster ...
bequeath unto my Cousin Jane Jackson Daughter of Robert Jackson of Newbald in the said County of York ...
residue and remainder, money, personal Estate debts and funeral expenses charges of proving this my will Unto Matthew Tate of Bubwith aforesaid Farmer ...
All closes Lands Hereditaments and Real Estate ...
use of the said Matthew Tate his Heirs and Assigns ...
Matthew Tate Sole Executor ...
Witnesses George Jon // John Peirson ...
Seal June 1795
[John Peirson might be the Howden Solicitor]
William Hood, March 1852, Catwick
William Hood of Catwick County of York Farmer ...
my Niece Ann Jackson ...
reference to Farmhouse and Farm 116 Acres and 3 Roods at Catwick
Brick tile yard and cottages and hereditaments at Aldborough my five sixth parts or shares and all other my share and interest of and in the Farm and Lands at Leven occupied by myself and John Foster ...
Leven ...
late in the respective occupations of John Carline, William Forge [Forge may read William Tonge?], William Thompson and Charles Sleggs[?] my moiety and all other my share of the Wind Mill and other hereditaments at Leven ...
£1,500 unto and equally between such of my Nephews and Nieces the children of my brother Richard Hood living at my death ...
unto the Widow of my late Nephew Joseph Quarton of Stamford Bridge and my [two words name/s unreadable] Richardson ...
my Housekeeper Isabella [surname unreadable]
to the Trustees of the Primitive Methodist Connexion ... Isabella Cross ...
Each of my Trustees and Executors Richard Hood Thomas Davison and Wells Hood ...
to Richard Lyon of Catfoss ... Farmer ... chapels.
I bequeath the sum of Four pounds to William Hood Hepton of Catwick aforesaid Yeoman ...
William Hood Hepton and to the issue then living of each child or children ...
children of Joseph Quarton ...
William Hood Hepton, my said Brother Richard Hood, the children of my said Brother Richard Hood, the said Joseph Quarton and BURTON RICHARDSON ...
I appoint Richard Hood of Stamford Bridge near York Wine and Spirit Merchant Thomas Davison of Spring Street in the Borough of Kingston upon Hull Gentleman and Wells Hood of the City of York Wine Merchant to be Trustees and also Executors
[the film was poor, the remainder was unreadable, if of interest, a scan of the original Will bundle perhaps].
reference to the Trustees of the Primitive Methodist Connexion ... ... ...
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1861 Mrs [Sarah] HOOD, Tanner, of Selby was neighbour to the JACKSON Widow and Daughter.
1861 Selby Census
Sarah HOOD, Widow, aged 41, Tanner, Born Selby. [John Hood's widow, nee Richardson]
Mary JACKSON, Widow, aged 75, Born Grantham, Lincs.
Mary JACKSON, Dau'r Born Ackworth, Yorks.
1865 SELBY Tannery For Sale by Mrs Jackson
Mrs HOOD had been lately occupying.
Any link with Mrs Mary JACKSON (Widow) born Grantham, to these other HOOD - JACKSON Will links, please?
Was Mary Jackson a Quaker?
Mark
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Hi Mark and all
He was indeed the brother of Frances Stears, here is the record of his birth
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Hi
Mary Jackson nee Cole was born in Lincolnshire, her husband RICHARD JACKSON was a tanner, they married in Ackworth in 1813.
Will delve into his background
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Hello All
Thanks Claire for the reply.
I'm hoping that developments in the last 24 hours regarding George Hood's past (buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground as "Not in Membership"), will show the first signs of a few cracks!
Maudland Hood
One of the witnesses at Maudland Hood's Wedding at Selby 27th November 1794 was Frances STEARS.
After searching Family Search again, there is a possibility that witness Frances Stears, might be a Quaker?
[ADDED: Frances Stears Witness at Maudland Hood's 1794 Marriage at Selby was proven to be the same Frances Stears in other Quaker documents - by Signature comparison]
Frances Stears to Richard Yarwood 4th February 1796
For the Stears = Yarwood marriage Family Search are quoting Quaker references:-
RG 6/785 (TNA cat - says Yorkshire QUARTERLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends' Registers)
and
RG 6/857 (TNA cat - says York - MONTHLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends Registers).
Frances Yarwood, aged 83, is recorded as a Quaker at death, Hull.
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Maudland Hood's Father was John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough, where Maudland Hood's birth and Baptism dates are recorded - St Mary's).
Regards Mark
Thomas Stears - Death 1862
Wondered if this Thomas Stears might be a possible Brother, to the Quaker Frances Stears please in the Quote above?
May 26, at Centreville, North America, aged 87 years, Mr Thomas Stears, late of Florence, and formerly of Waxholme, Yorkshire, England. Hull Packet, 20th June 1862.
Internet information had this USA Thomas Stears, a Quaker with suggested links to Harrison and Jackson.
I've got Yorkshire HOOD Will notes mentioning Jackson and Harrison surnames.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2bYaRLNfkk8C&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=%22Thomas+Stears%22+waxholme&source=bl&ots=YUbSsr3m0-&sig=l2kpC8K1t4mxy18gvW_jkmO07Lo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTjIv2_sXWAhWRKFAKHQTjBR8Q6AEIHTAA
In the book a Jane Simpson, Todd, Richardson, Hull and Sculcoates, nr Hull, are all mentioned too!
The author seems to be linking some (suggestions) without making a documentary link?
Thanks Mark
Thank you Claire
It is the link to that book and the connections that the author is making with Harrison, Stears and the familiar surnames at HULL and Sculcoates (which could just as easily be Selby surnames, some possibly even related to Selby families) and the HOOD Will with Harrison.
The two HOOD Wills with Jackson and the Jackson Selby Tannery (occupied by Mrs Hood) are added for supplementary to keep it all together (and a secondary question), in case the whole lot might link up to each other.
It is mainly who Stears has links to, in the book link, of primary concern?
Mark
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Thomas STEARS married Elizabeth HARRISON :)
Marriage not online but they married by licence in Sigglesthorne 12 Oct 1809.
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Thomas STEARS married Elizabeth HARRISON :)
Marriage not online but they married by licence in Sigglesthorne 12 Oct 1809.
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Thank you Claire,
Sigglesthorne and Bewholme Nunkeeling (Thomas & Mary Stears residence 1796), are near Hornsea.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6283433#msg6283433
Waxholme (in Thomas Stears, Obit, 1862) is down the coast near Withernsea.
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Sigglesthorne is near Catwick / Leven (William & Richard Hoods Manor Estate & Farm)
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/yorks/east/vol7/pp255-261
Internet - "1796.0801 William Hood Hepton bap Catwick illeg son Mercy H."
Hood Hepton was apparently ILLEGITIMATE and somebody is claiming William Hood Hepton as a Hebden, not Hepton?
William Hood's March 1852 Catwick Will (copied into the Will Register - Borthwick) does say William HOOD HEPTON. Richard Hood's Brother was Wells Hood of York, also a Wine & Spirits Merchant!
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I wonder if there is another Hood link somewhere to Harrison / Stears?
Also wondering how HOOD HEPTON fit in?
Mark
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Hi
William Hood HEPTON was the illegitimate son of Mercy Hepton
He married (as Hepton) Ann Cape at Catwick after Banns 9 March 1830
Witnessed by William Hood, John Grantham & Mary Hought. - all parties signed register.
Remarried at Skirlaugh after Banns 28 June 1851 to Christiana Todd.
No father given in register
Brides father: Thomas Todd - weaver.
Witnessed by: Robert Todd & Ann Johnson - all parties signed register.
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Mercy Hepton was baptised in Skipsea 1771 daughter of James Hepton
She married in Catwick after Banns 28 March 1808 to a William Gale.
Bride & Groom left X in register
Witnessed by: Robert Wright & David Smales ( both signed)
Claire
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Wonder if William Hood ( died Catwick) was W Hood Heptons father?
Is his signature on the Will ? We could compare it to the Wm Hood who witnesses Heptons marriage - it looks to be written by a neat hand.
1851 census - William Hepton is a widower and house servant in the home (farm) of William Hood
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Hi
William Hood HEPTON was the illegitimate son of Mercy Hepton
He married (as Hepton) Ann Cape at Catwick after Banns 9 March 1830
Witnessed by William Hood, John Grantham & Mary Hought. - all parties signed register.
Remarried at Skirlaugh after Banns 28 June 1851 to Christiana Todd.
No father given in register
Brides father: Thomas Todd - weaver.
Witnessed by: Robert Todd & Ann Johnson - all parties signed register.
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Mercy Hepton was baptised in Skipsea 1771 daughter of James Hepton
She married in Catwick after Banns 28 March 1808 to a William Gale.
Bride & Groom left X in register
Witnessed by: Robert Wright & David Smales ( both signed)
Claire
Hi Claire
This is very interesting information!
Always had a feeling about Todd (don't know why) being linked to a Yorkshire HOOD (although 1851 is a bit late), because Todd of Selby had a Tannery at Selby earlier and my Ancestor John Hood and Widow Sarah Hood at Selby run a Tannery after Todd.
I managed to buy a small box of early 20th Century Todd Family papers of Selby and elsewhere (which refer back) for my collection, which I very briefly summarised to be helpful and in case someone like me has question/s ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748511.msg5961499#msg5961499
In the light of some new names, I'll look at them again.
Thank you, Mark
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Something else I spotted
When Mercy Hepton married - there was a witness David SMALES.
William Hood Hepton died in the 1860's. In both the 1871 & 1881 census his widow Christiana Hepton is in the home of a John Smales ( & his wife Rebecca) he was aged 68 - transcribed as sister in law.
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George & Sarah Hoods children, Geo & Sarah's first names are lower in the order.
1816 William
1819 John
1822 Mary
1824 George
1826 Richard
1828 James
1830 Ellen
1835 Sarah
First Girls name MARY (1822)
First Boys name WILLIAM (1816)
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Sarah RUSSELL parents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
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Provided George & Sarah Hood, both did not have a William for a Father and both did not have a Mary for a Mother, then the forename naming pattern suggests George Hood's parents were:-
John and Ellen
John Hood and Ellen - Marriage perhaps?
Or if both had one parent with the same forename (and if they were naming according to a sequence/pattern):-
William Hood and Ellen or
John Hood and Mary
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Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act persons wanting to marry, had to marry in a C of E Church, except Quakers and Jews who had their own Lawful arrangements. (Possibly those who had Special Licences were excepted from marrying in a C of E church?)
Roman Catholics who refused to marry in a C of E church could not always formally marry, it seems? Some RC couple unions must be under the radar and recorded only in Catholic Registers? Suggesting no Marriage Allegation or Bond with the C of E authorities either?
Mark
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Iffy ??? but has some substance.
Bearing mind we know very little about George Hood Selby pre 1812 or his marriage 1815 Selby
(My dad was same age as mum at marriage, till the truth came out when he had to work another 3 years past the date mum thought he would retire !! at retiring aged 65 being 3 years young than mum. ;D)
Could George have lied about his age to Sarah Russell and kept up the lie to his family even till his death age 60 believed by the informant reporting his death on the certificate 1845 Selby ?
Reasonable reason he lied
George may have lied about his age to give more years experience to his occupation, as a cooper to acquire to rent Richard Gibson's cooper building(s) in Wren lane and kept up the white lie through is life in Selby.
Helen (Ellen) Mcchristie
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTV5-NFS
Kilmarnock not far from known Hood coopers of Glasgow
Your family thought your Hood's had Scottish roots
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Baptism
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Hello
Thank you for replies.
I did see that Scottish one, but if first name naming patterns have been used (above), ages are to be believed and the middle names of James and Sarah Hood's children (discussed previously) are anything to go by, then it looks doubtful.
Thank you, Mark
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Hello All
Thanks Claire for the reply.
I'm hoping that developments in the last 24 hours regarding George Hood's past (buried in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground as "Not in Membership"), will show the first signs of a few cracks!
Maudland Hood
One of the witnesses at Maudland Hood's Wedding at Selby 27th November 1794 was Frances STEARS.
After searching Family Search again, there is a possibility that witness Frances Stears, might be a Quaker?
Frances Stears to Richard Yarwood 4th February 1796
For the Stears = Yarwood marriage Family Search are quoting Quaker references:-
RG 6/785 (TNA cat - says Yorkshire QUARTERLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends' Registers)
and
RG 6/857 (TNA cat - says York - MONTHLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends Registers).
Frances Yarwood, aged 83, is recorded as a Quaker at death, Hull.
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Maudland Hood's Father was John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough, where Maudland Hood's birth and Baptism dates are recorded - St Mary's).
Regards Mark
(See also Reply #662 and Reply #664 same page as the quote Reply #660)
Frances STEARS was a Quaker and a Witness on the Maudland HOOD and CharlesTurner 1794 Marriage at Selby.
1821
Mark HOOD of YORK Apprentice to Samuel STEERS of the said City Music Seller.
46 Geo III (1806)
Parish of A Saints Sareme Militia
HOOD Mark , Music Seller, 21 yrs.
I wonder if Samuel STEERS of York, Music Seller, had links to the STEARS who were Quakers?
There must be a circa 1785 Birth or Baptism somewhere for Mark Hood?
Mark
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I will check - there are Quaker records of Samuel STEARS in York - so possibly a relation :)
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Where has the 1785 birth for Mark Hood come from ?
Mark Hood born and baptised 14 March 1807 York (baptised at St. Lawrence) son of Ralph Hood, weaver and Ann his wife.
Mark Hood, aged 28, music seller, married Sarah Hornby aged 16, by licence 17 December 1835 York, St Lawrence.
He signed, she left her mark
Witnesses: Robert Kirby & Joseph Mon? ?
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Where has the 1785 birth for Mark Hood come from ?
From a Militia List, noted down ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6343721#msg6343721
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Well I have to agree that the 46th year of George 111's reign was c1806 but F M P date this record 1827-1829, and I can't find the birth of another Mark Hood.
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Well I have to agree that the 46th year of George 111's reign was c1806 but F M P date this record 1827-1829, and I can't find the birth of another Mark Hood.
I can't remember now if it was a bound document, or if continued from another page, what about dates on the previous and following pages?
Mark
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Mighty glad your brain is working. Pages before and after give the exact date-
Saturday 10th January 1829 at the hour of 10 in the fore noon, at the Guildhall in the City of York :)
Wells Hood is on one of them too.
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Hello
Thank you. Brain not always working, Claire.
Two documents (one in 1839 at South Parade and the other in the 1841 Census at Gowthorpe, Selby) where Martin PEARSON is living or recorded next to a COOK ...
Posted here because Martin's Wife Mary Pearson was buried in Brewood, Staffordshire
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775813.msg6344378#msg6344378
Some parentage of Mary Pearson (nee Mary Snar / Snarr) is Eastrington and Martin Pearson's Grandfather was Jonas Pearson of Castleforth, recorded in the Selby Register.
Mark
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For other members Castleforth (Castle fort or Castlefort) was the centuries before 1850 name for Castleford Yorkshire
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Thanks dobfarm
EDITED
When the Will of my George Hood of Selby went to Probate in 1846, I'm wondering if you can recall if your 1846 reference "To do with Will", also applied to Boroughbridge underneath.
No mention in George Hood's 1846 Probate Will, to property other than Selby, (but I didn't expect George to be buried by the Quakers).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5740636#msg5740636
Nothing in the Seven property Memorial Registrations about George Hood's ancestry.
Thank you
Regards Mark
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Thanks dobfarm
EDITED
When the Will of my George Hood of Selby went to Probate in 1846, I'm wondering if you can recall if your 1846 reference "To do with Will", also applied to Boroughbridge underneath.
No mention in George Hood's 1846 Probate Will, to property other than Selby, (but I didn't expect George to be buried by the Quakers).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5740636#msg5740636
Nothing in the Seven property Memorial Registrations about George Hood's ancestry.
Thank you
Regards Mark
The deeds were index of all named George Hood in the list 2015 not specifically your George Hood who died Sept 1845 - but 1846 suggest your George.
1846 is a few years after 1812, I wonder if the deeds to the property in Wren lane 1807 to 1812 would mention tenants ? after the hullabaloo of R Gibson's bankruptcy. Prete deeds
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1846 is a few years after 1812, I wonder if the deeds to the property in Wren lane 1807 to 1812 would mention tenants ? after the hullabaloo of R Gibson's bankruptcy. Prete deeds
Lord Petre was Lord of the Manor
Manors may only have a Conveyance Deed, Feoffment, when the Manor ownership changes hands. These can list the Tenants names, but only current when the Manor ownership changes hands.
The Manor Office and/or Steward would have originally kept Accounts/Rentals (probably yearly originally) and a Manor Survey (every so often).
However, the Manor of Selby only seem to have kept the Copyhold transfers (now at Hull History Centre), but these are not regular Rental Accounts or Surveys of the Manor, which have not been located.
Wakefield Deed Memorial
I have the 1836 copy Deed Memorial when George Hood's Wren Lane premises transferred from the Manor of Selby ownership (hence the reference to Lord Petre and the Earl of Surrey) To George Hood and as you rightly say, it does confirm that at the last Survey (no date) the premises were once occupied by Richard Gibson and Thomas Holliday but now of George Hood and his Undertenants and John Green.
The Deed Memorial - Petre and Othrs To George Hood, does NOT confirm any ancestry relationship from Richard Gibson to George Hood. No mention of Copyhold either.
Mark
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The deeds were index of all named George Hood in the list 2015 not specifically your George Hood who died Sept 1845 - but 1846 suggest your George.
1846 is a few years after 1812, I wonder if the deeds to the property in Wren lane 1807 to 1812 would mention tenants ? after the hullabaloo of R Gibson's bankruptcy. Prete deeds
Hello All
Genuki has transcribed for BOROUGHBRIDGE
Pigot's Directory 1834
Coal Merchants, George Hood, Boroughbridge.
Corn Merchants & Dealers, George Hood, Boroughbridge.
Taverns & Public Houses, George Hood, Grantham Arms, Boroughbridge.
George Hood the Elder of Milby, Innkeeper, leaves a Will Proved in 1835, died 13 March 1835 (which I have the bundle of) to his children and only the residue to Son George Hood, after payment of funeral and expenses.
There appears to be a Deeds Memorial registration indexed for George Hood, Boroughbridge 1835 [possibly linked to the above Will, Proved 1835].
The 1851 Langthorp Census George Hood, Farmer of 69 acres (with 4 Lab[ourers] ), was born Milby.
But wondering if the two 1846 entries To do with Will in the Deeds Memorial Index are for George Hood (Selby) Will and also the full dates and Volume references of both in the 1846 Index?
Thank you, Mark
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If the new WYAS register of deeds office system, still has the memorial actual deeds books on a shelf separate from Deeds index books (Which are big in their own right, accessed by the public, sometimes put back in no particular order or willy nilly) and main deeds. Then it may be easier to go straight to the deeds memorial books ! if the system is the same in their new modern purpose built state of the art building in Wakefield. (Modern way of wanting to tamper or change things by the chap or person !! with 'a new idea' but in reality has 'no idea' ;D suggest it will be different ???)
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Hi dobfarm
Thank you.
I have never seen them, so don't know. But I've got several old Yorkshire Deeds with these references on.
But if I need to order a copy from here, they need the following references:-
Name
Date (Year it seems)
Place
Volume Letter/s (usually Letter/s it seems)
Page number [I would think the first five in this list with page number would be enough, but they list a further number too]
No (number)
I thought they looked them up in an Index first.
Yes, the researchers nightmare, people who never take enough time to put Fiche, Volumes etc., back in the correct order, or box! Yes, most of us have also travelled 120 - 250 miles or more, too.
Mark
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If the new WYAS register of deeds office system, still has the memorial actual deeds books on a shelf separate from Deeds index books (Which are big in their own right, accessed by the public, sometimes put back in no particular order or willy nilly) and main deeds. Then it may be easier to go straight to the deeds memorial books ! if the system is the same in their new modern purpose built state of the art building in Wakefield. (Modern way of wanting to tamper or change things by the chap or person !! with 'a new idea' but in reality has 'no idea' ;D suggest it will be different ???)
When I was on a visit to the new WYAS building a couple of weeks ago, the Deeds Index Books are in the open public part of the research room, you have to order the Deeds Books in advance to be taken out of storage and then you're let into the "secure" research room.
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If the new WYAS register of deeds office system, still has the memorial actual deeds books on a shelf separate from Deeds index books (Which are big in their own right, accessed by the public, sometimes put back in no particular order or willy nilly) and main deeds. Then it may be easier to go straight to the deeds memorial books ! if the system is the same in their new modern purpose built state of the art building in Wakefield. (Modern way of wanting to tamper or change things by the chap or person !! with 'a new idea' but in reality has 'no idea' ;D suggest it will be different ???)
When I was on a visit to the new WYAS building a couple of weeks ago, the Deeds Index Books are in the open public part of the research room, you have to order the Deeds Books in advance to be taken out of storage and then you're let into the "secure" research room.
Old system was you got the numbers off the index book, gave the number to the staff member and original big deeds book was normally on the table in minutes from selves near you.
New idea - can mean no flipping idea how to speed the process up. ;D People can travel hundreds of miles
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Old system was you got the numbers off the index book, gave the number to the staff member and original big deeds book was ...
Thanks for the replies.
For ordering copies of the Deed Registrations by post from home, just the references please (which seem, are in the Index Books) with the name, year & place.
I wish to order both those 1846 To do with Will and 1845 Boroughbridge.
I'm also drawn to some of the others e.g. Ripon 1844 for some odd reason.
I might order the remainder later.
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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William Hood next to George Hood's Wren Lane premises (mentioned in the registration of 1836),
William Hood bapt 1816 or a brother of father John Hood my scenario of Jno Hood 1837 directory below or Jno 1837 directory and William 1836 registration brothers of George
John Hood son of George & Sarah bapt 1819 Selby = 18 years old in 1837
1837 has Jno Hood Tanner Selby ? (too young to be the above would have to be 21 as a full trader)
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Now say John Hood father of a George Hood bapt 1786/7 could have been born 1766 (John Hood publican Ship Gateshead ?)
Say a Jno Hood born 1767 would be 70 years old to be the Jno Hood tanner 1837 _ Just possible
Under Miscellany of trades
Transcript of the entry of 'professions and trades' for SELBY in White's Directory of 1837
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Selby/Selby37Dry
page 707 below link Jno Hood tanner Gtp (Gowthorpe)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=C8cHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA534&dq=SELBY+in+White%27s+Directory+of+1837.&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=SELBY%20in%20White's%20Directory%20of%201837.&f=false
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Wm White, 1837
Selby Alphabetical [Residents]
P.707 Hood Jno. Tanner, Gtp [could have own listing, whilst training to get his name known]
Trades Part
P.708
Brewers And Maltsters
Hood Geo. Wren Lane
P.710
Tanners
Hood Geo. Gowthorp
Jackson Mary, Gtp
John Hood Tanner is listed in the alphabetical part only.
It is only George Hood who appears under the Trade parts 1837.
Death Certificate
John Hood, died Gowthorpe, Selby, 2 December 1860, Aged 41, Tanner, John Richardson In Attendance Gowthorpe, Selby.
Baptism Selby 1819.
Mark
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Odds seem more in favor both the 1836 William Hood Wren lane mention and Jno Hood 1837 listing are George Hood's sons entering his (G H) family businesses. Prepare/trained (Chuck them in the deep end to learn responsibility = George the Lifeguard ) his lads to take pressure off George when he became overseer Selby 1838 - makes sense. (Also there seems there's no records of another William and a Jno Hood in Selby prior to 1836/37 as older persons)
Maybe we have scraped the barrel bottom out here on these 2 theories clutching at straws or their roots.. ;D
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Thanks dobfarm
Regarding the John Hood & Elizabeth Lazenby Marriage at RICCALL 1839 (Reg'n District SELBY), I have been looking at one of the witnesses Elizabeth TAUN. Other witnesses are Henry Carr / Henry Cau / Henry Caw and John Neusham.
One possible (unmarried) was Elizabeth Taun baptised 18 March 1819 Adlingfleet, Yorkshire to Michael Taun and Mary Ann (image not seen).
ADLINGFLEET, Goole, is COCKIN country (and later Newby - Goole).
COCKIN of Luddington, Fockerby, (South of the River Ouse and just West of the River Trent, where the two rivers Ouse & Trent run into the Humber West of Hull), is near Adlingfleet.
1841 Selby Census
Elizabeth Taun 20-24 years appears in the 1841 Census at Selby (not seen from Family Search), with a younger Eliza Taun 15-19 years and Michael and Mary 40-44 years, residence Millgate, Selby.
Elizabeth TAUN = CLARKSON 1843
Elizabeth Taun marries Thomas CLARKSON 8 Oct 1843 at Selby (not seen).
Appears later in the Census near Selby at Osgodby 1861 and Cliffe Cum Lund, Hemingbrough (ref to Selby, Riccall) 1871, as Elizabeth Clarkson born Adlingfleet 1820 (not seen).
George Hood of Selby
George Hood occupied and then purchased Henry Mitton's Malt kiln at Selby, from a John CLARKSON of New Port, Parish of Eastrington, which was also COCKIN country (but North side of the River Ouse and North of the Adlingfleet area).
TAUN Death - Holbeach
Also a Mary Elizabeth Taun death 1838 District of Holbeach, Lincs.
EDITED
Robert Hood was Master of Holbeach Grammar School (Reply #459) 2 June 17
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6256012#msg6256012
Hull Area
I've also had a feeling about the Hull area and Jomot about Cockin a Miller of Luddington.
George Hood of Selby 1815 Marriage
George Hood's 1815 Marriage is in the Hull newspaper. A James COOKIN (Cockin) witness, also my John Hood getting married to Sarah Richardson Sculcoates, near Hull 1846.
Elizabeth TAUN = SMITH Marriage?
Did an Eliz Taun also marry a Smith, in the area, please?
Because a Samuel Smith of Armin Pastures Gentleman and George Smith of Goole Surgeon, Sons of George Smith of Armin Pastures Farmer and William Mitton late of Selby now of Stamford, Lincs. Gent and Hannah Carter Clark Heiress at Law of John Clark late of Potters Grange, Armin alias Airmin/Ayrmin (Carter Clark also linked to the Brewery at Knottingley of Maggs) are mentioned in another purchase by George Hood of Selby, of property at Ousegate, Selby, held by Hoods as Trustees for James Collinson (1838).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.msg6119765#msg6119765
Also a George Nicholson Smith of Armin Pastures, receiving Medical Certificate 1836
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uiqZRrPgoLcC&pg=PA240&lpg=PA240&dq=Smith+%22Armin+Pastures%22&source=bl&ots=wb696AxE7F&sig=y6a2B1xRGAFbriU2DtDldPQUvXs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP-vH1-urWAhUJVhoKHSMSA_MQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Smith%20%22Armin%20Pastures%22&f=false
WILLIAM HOOD, 1807, of Heslington, Will Abstract - CARR Beneficiaries
Don't know if the John Hood = Elizabeth Lazenby, 1839 Marriage, Henry Carr[?] Cau or Caw or Can[?]
A Carr witness is linked to Wm Hood of Heslington and Carr surnames mentioned in the 1807 Abstract of William Hood's Will. (Reply #738)
Image ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6309418#msg6309418
WILLIAM HOOD, 1810 HULL
William Hood, Hull, 1810 Will Proved in the Lincs CC - This might be very interesting when it arrives!!
Well I'm hoping!!
Mark
EDITED Not sure if the 1839 Wedding witness was Henry Carr, looks like Henry Cau or Caw or Can?
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Good Morning
1823
In David Akers Assignment of Sutton Grange, in the Parish of Ripon, County of York dated Ripon 18th June 1823, one of the individuals he assigned his property to was ...
GEORGE HOOD of Boroughbridge, in the said County, Coal-Merchant ...
Discovered another later Hood link with Boroughbridge (posted here to keep related Hood information together) ...
Manor of Catwick, nr Leven any info please? (once owned by Richard Hood)
page 4
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.msg6348686#msg6348686
Mark
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Eliza Taun married William Smith brickmaker 20 November 1843 at Selby Abbey.
Grooms father: George Smith - brickmaker
Brides father: Michael Taun - labourer
Witnesses: John Arrand & Ann Arrand
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Eliza Taun married William Smith brickmaker 20 November 1843 at Selby Abbey.
Grooms father: George Smith - brickmaker
Brides father: Michael Taun - labourer
Witnesses: John Arrand & Ann Arrand
Thanks Claire,
The George Smith having dealings with George Hood & James Collinson, was a Surgeon.
Regards Mark
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Burial
Knaresborough 20 June 1785
Mary the Dau: of Fran's & Ann Hood, Knares:
Francis Hood and Susanna Webster marriage in 1814 at St Mary Knaresborough
Francis and Ann Hood baptised a Mary in 1791 Knaresborough St Mary
Knaresborough St Mary is a Roman Catholic Church
Returns of Papists 1767: Diocese of Chester which covers North-West Yorkshire,
by John P. Perkins and Pauline M. Litton, 1990.
HOOD Anne, age 60, Widow of Thomas, Barber, Resident 20 years, Township or Place - Richmond
(Above put together for reference)
Ann Hood "a Papist" was buried Richmond 1780.
Regarding Samuel Hood thought to be buried 17 July 1780, at Selby.
Found the book and looking very closely, it says 17 July 1730.
Quaker Records
Also seen the claimed Benjamin Hood, Quaker, Knaresborough, (incidentally from Selby) and I don't know how they got Hood, transcribed on their online catalogue.
Mark
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2 X Gt Grandfather George Hood (born Selby 1847) of Peel Causeway, Hale seems to have moved locally 1871/2 and his neighbour has also apparently moved and to the same address.
Thanks Mark
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William Hood bapt 1816 was outlived, so family papers passed to another family and a 3rd party claims they were disposed of [rather than put in an Archive].
The other family has not responded.
Mark
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Hi
There are a few Frotheringham Wills all from Holbeach, after reading one of a Joseph F dated 1750 it would seem that this family are related to the Masseys, and by a marriage to the Hutchinsons.
Most of this mans estate was left to cousin "John Frotheringham" and cousin "John Massey".
A bequest to his son in law "Abraham Hutchinson"
William Massey marriage in 1785 - Elizabeth Pearson witnessed.
William Massey of Selby Merchant and Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby Merchant have both been involved (in some way, or occupying part) with my George Hood, Wren Lane, Selby (former Richard Gibson premises), before George Hood registered the premises in 1836 at Wakefield.
Seen various marriages 1767 (St Werburgh Hoo, Kent / Dio. of Rochester Kent); 1768 (Tynemouth); 1798 (Hull); 1813 (Warwick) and 1815 (Brompton, Northallerton) for:-
Hood = Hutchinson and
Hutchinson = Hood
Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby 1872 Probate Index entry lists Hutchinsons [likely related to the Testator], at various places.
Mark
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Looking at Eastrington & Howden
Possible W. Hood signature on John COOKE Will dated 1798, with PEARSON family.
From 1550-1650 there are upwards of 150 BMD's for a HOOD(E) family in Eastrington, then nothing.
In Wallingfen (part of Eastrington) 1781-1825 A ANN HOOD spinster involved in property
9 September 1810 Isabella daughter of WILLIAM HAUD bapt. at Eastrington.
From 1728 and upto 1751 a William Hood & wife Elizabeth involved in property at Howden.
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WELLS HOOD
- Part owned numerous sloops/schooners with a RICHARD CLIFFE of SELBY and others - registrations 1840.
Records here
http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/CalmView/Overview.aspx
Wells Hood was also an overseer of the poor at York ( thanks to dobfarm for that snippet )
Overseers of the Poor - As was Samuel HIRST & Thomas HOOD both of Kellington
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Looking at Eastrington & Howden
Possible W. Hood signature on John COOKE Will dated 1798, with PEARSON family.
From 1550-1650 there are upwards of 150 BMD's for a HOOD(E) family in Eastrington, then nothing.
In Wallingfen (part of Eastrington) 1781-1825 A ANN HOOD spinster involved in property
9 September 1810 Isabella daughter of WILLIAM HAUD bapt. at Eastrington.
From 1728 and upto 1751 a William Hood & wife Elizabeth involved in property at Howden.
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WELLS HOOD
- Part owned numerous sloops/schooners with a RICHARD CLIFFE of SELBY and others - registrations 1840.
Records here
http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/CalmView/Overview.aspx
Wells Hood was also an overseer of the poor at York ( thanks to dobfarm for that snippet )
Overseers of the Poor - As was Samuel HIRST & Thomas HOOD both of Kellington
Hello
Thank you very much Claire.
Massey of Selby
Are the Wills of William Massey of Selby 1843 and Jonathan Hutchinson of Selby c.1835? and 1872 online anywhere, please?
A William Massey was in partnership as a Brick and Tile maker at Selby, dissolved 1819.
Afterward 'Foster and Smithson' of Selby.
Disowned Quaker 1816. Reinstated 1820. Was that his Selby Church marriage 1815?
Hutchinson Massey
There is a Hutchinson Massey family in Cork, one is called Massey Hutchinson Massey Esq., of Macroom (also Macromp) Barony of West Muskerry, County of Cork. Family Seat - Mount Massey.
Hutchinson. Massey of Spalding
Those immediately connected with my George Hood, originated Gedney and Spalding, Lincolnshire.
Eastrington, near River Trent
If Eastrington is an area of interest, recently noticed a link to Staffordshire if the River Trent was navigable to Burton on Trent and Stoke on Trent (probably passes Newark on Trent, Notts), etc.
Hood of Staffordshire
The main (but modest) Hood families are linked with Brewing, Wine and Spirits Merchants and Boot/ Shoe making and Leather. Burton on Trent was a main Brewery town in England and that citation of Pte H. P. Hood went back to Staffordshire.
George Hood of Burslem / Tunstall, Staffs, Pottery maker. Not sure if I have two Hood here.
But 1841 Census (on FS) for Burslem, Staffs, seems to link Geo & Ann Hood to a Sarah Massey birth 1764 to 1768.
Nonconformists
William Lord Paget of Beaudesert Staffordshire and Paget descendants were apparently sympathetic to Nonconformists.
Selby Overseers of Poor
The Selby Overseers of the Poor elected in 1837 are just a list of names. Nothing more than I found for George Hood being elected, in the 1838 newspaper.
TNA, Kew, copies of MH 9/15 Selby Union [Poor] only the paid Staff.
Wells Hood
The wife of Wells Hood of York, nee Bower, known Nonconformists.
BBC Program
Program with some NC content and the 1689 Act of Toleration.
One of the Dr Williams Library Registers downloaded has some Hood of Windmill Hills, Gateshead in.
Nebo Chapel, Wales, researcher Dr Kate Williams and Kieran Long
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037xy55
Appears, quite a break-away from C of E, beginning after 1700.
Families of Scottish / Irish descent were obviously not C of E.
East Riding Property
Interesting, East Riding property Registration might possibly help.
Cooke of Eastrington
That W. Hood on the John Cooke of Eastrington, 1798 Will outer, is the passed date, perhaps a Probate Registry Clerk?
Mark
Post altered & added to.
Addition: Occupation of William Massey of Selby, was given as 'Flax Dresser' in 1820.
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The Wills of William Massey & the Hutchinsons are not online, the earlier two are held by the Borthwick.
The W Massey involved with Wells Hood - his Will is online and possibly there may be a connection to Cook somewhere, his brother being a John Cook Massey.
Another William Massey Will online c1845 is for a man in Spalding Lincs. - possible relation to the Selby man ?
The marriage in Selby by Licence on 6 Dec. 1815 is indeed the marriage of William Masssey & Mary Proctor. Witnesses: Jn Fothergill & Jn Dickinson.
EDIT: Trivia: Between the years of 1778 when the Selby Canal opened and 1820 more people moved to Selby than at any other point in its history.
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The Wills of William Massey & the Hutchinsons are not online, the earlier two are held by the Borthwick.
The W Massey involved with Wells Hood - his Will is online and possibly there may be a connection to Cook somewhere, his brother being a John Cook Massey.
Another William Massey Will online c1845 is for a man in Spalding Lincs. - possible relation to the Selby man ?
The marriage in Selby by Licence on 6 Dec. 1815 is indeed the marriage of William Masssey & Mary Proctor. Witnesses: Jn Fothergill & Jn Dickinson.
EDIT: Trivia: Between the years of 1778 when the Selby Canal opened and 1820 more people moved to Selby than at any other point in its history.
Thanks Claire
Quaker Quarterly Meeting of Yorkshire RG 6/1071
22nd of the Second Month 1792
Wm Waud of Bradford and Margaret Richardson of Gt Ayton, were married in Ayton.
* Copy at full length recorded in the Gisboro' Monthly Meeting.
Stamford Mercury 6 May 1825
Lately, at the Quaker's chapel in Spalding, Mr Hutchinson of Gedney, to Miss Massey, daughter of Wm. Massey, Esq. of the former place.
Mark
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Staffordshire Hood's or Gateshead or Hull
The occupation in doc's like PR's and censuses are just a brief account.
What we have got are 3 businesses with trade men's skills needed of a Cooper in brewing process, master Brewer and a master Tanner. (Chemist of a sort ?)
George Hood d 1845 Selby his skill(s) seems to be businessman of Brewing/Tanning - Barrels are part of the brewing process: charing the barrel and the long term storage of brewed liquid like whisky in a special barrel- Tanning leather hides in vats can take up to a year in a vat.
The master brewer of spirits had to be a part cooper for barrel upkeep because the barrel was part of the long term process of the wood oak colour and taste of the brew in a cask.
Colour and death of the tan of leather hides like needed for saddles in vats was the skill of the master in tanning. (Spirit and leather mix in the vats or barrel was the same skill needed).
This George Hood of Selby would make the businesses by storage of mixed ingredient chemical transfer wood taste/coluor or leather colour in tanning (dye to cloths (Dyer)) all chemists of their day.
Someone had to teach George these skills or to be a businessman in admin brought up around running a business over people trained in these skilled trades.
Example;- A Mill owner does not need the skill of a dyer but has to have enough knowledge to turn out his end product to a constant quality repeatable high standard.
In one newspaper death entry George Hood death 1845 Selby was either a very respected man or businessman or both
This is what George was about- not theories of what he might have been in or come from in root origins as status
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Quaker wedding Williams surname was Waud. The full copy he signs as Waud, the short copy was written as Haud.
Plenty of Richardson witnesses, along with Tuke and Williamson.
No records bar the one baptism in Eastrington 1810 for Haud.
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Thanks dobfarm and Claire
No Haud in Quaker Members York Meeting [area] Index, only a Waud.
Oh, the Quaker Index is full of Richardsons 1790 - 1841 under the York Meeting area.
A = Admission into Membership
R = Reinstatement in Membership
C = Certificate
B = Birth
M = Marriage
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If George's origin is confirmed someday, it'll probably confirm his experience / training too.
Copy of the Wm Hood of Hull 1810 Will was despatched yesterday (2nd :( class).
Got many Hood Will summaries, plus Gibsons, but nothing.
Mark
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I already have the Abstract of the Wills, including William Hood, Gentleman, of Kingston upon Hull, February 1808, downloaded from TNA, Kew.
16th February 1808 under 300 l.
William Hood of the Town of Kingston upon Hull gent.
Thos Ashton of Kingston upon Hull afsd yeom & Edw'd Boldrom of same place cooper Exors.
Legatees
To Edw'd Boldrom, nepw 120 l.
To Wm Boldrom, do. ----- [nepw] 80 l & a silver pint.
To Eliz'th Ashton, niece, his best bed, sheets, blankets, quilt & furn. belon.g.
To sd Eliz'th Ashton & Edw'd Boldrom, niece and nepw The rems of his household goods, furn. & linen
Sev'l small bequests [relationship and description left blank]
To sd Thos Ashton & Edw'd Boldrom nep's. The Residue of his money sec.s for money goods chattels psnal est. & effects whats'r after paym't of his debts legs & fun'l expenses.
No other Hood, mentioned.
Mark
Hello
The William Hood of the Town of Kingston upon Hull Gentleman 1810 Will Proved L.C.C. is similar to above, but explains the several small bequests.
William Hood of the Town of Kingston upon Hull Gentleman ...
made and published this 4th July 1805 ...
I give and devise all that my Messuage or dwelling House situate in Edgar Street in the Town of Kingston upon Hull aforesaid now in my own occupation unto my Niece Elizabeth Ashton and my Nephews William Boldrom and Edward Boldrom their Heirs and Assigns ...
I give and bequeath unto the said Edward Boldrom the sum of One Hundred and twenty pounds I give and bequeath to the said William Boldrom the sum of Eighty pounds and a silver Pint I give to the said Elizabeth Ashton my best Bed with the sheets Blankets Quilt and Furniture belonging to it ...
I give all my wearing Apparel to Thomas Ashton and the said Thomas Boldrom equally I also give to tbe said Thomas Boldrom a silver Cream Jug and half a Dozen silver spoons
I give and bequeath to the Overseers of the poor of WINTERTON in the County of Lincoln the sum of Fifty shillings and to the Overseers of the Poor of WINTRINGHAM in the same County the like sum of Fifty shillings ...
I bequeath all the residue of my Money securities for Money Goods Chattels personal Estate and Effects whatsover after payment of debts Legacies and funeral expenses unto the said Thomas Ashton and Edward Boldrom ...
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Witnesses Geo Gale - John Miller - Wm Markham
A true Copy having been examined with the Probate Copy of the Will by us N [or R or A?] Fardell - John Haywoud
22d Day of May 1810 Thomas Ashton and Edward Boldrom the Executors within named were duly sworn and in[?] all Oath that the whole of the personal Estate of the deceased within the County of Lincoln does not amount in value to One Hundred Pounds.
Before me Matt'w Barnett ...
27 Was the duty paid upon the
above Prop'y at York -------
And Mr Galland of Hull the
Attorney in his Letter to me
on the 22d of May says the
Duty on the above property was
paid for at York.
Looks like this Hood or his family, perhaps also had links with WINTERTON and WINTRINGHAM, Mark
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This William Hoods family have been looked at before
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6078952#msg6078952
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The other Will I mentioned yesterday of a William Massey in Spalding 1846 was the father of William Massey of Selby - mentions J Hutchinson etc. A wealthy family.
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This William Hoods family have been looked at before
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6078952#msg6078952
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The other Will I mentioned yesterday of a William Massey in Spalding 1846 was the father of William Massey of Selby - mentions J Hutchinson etc. A wealthy family.
Hi
Thanks Claire, I wondered if there was any reference to Pearson (Pierson / Peirson) or Cook(e) please in the 1846 Wm Massey of Spalding Will?
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Regarding your Richard Cliffe of Selby and Wells Hood being vessel owners:-
1835
"The Selby Insurance Company is for the insuring of sea-going Vessels chiefly employed in the Yorkshire coasting Trade. Mr Richard Cliffe is President, Mr John Lumb, Treasurer, and Mr George Lowther, Secretary."
Probably explains link with Selby.
Mark
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No references to any Pearson or Cook, all money & property left to family - children - John, William, Catherine & Sarah Procter Evans and wife Sarah.
A codicil made after the deaths of William Massey of Selby & Sarah Procter Evans left their shares to John Massey, S P Evans's children and Catherine.
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The other William Massey of Sutton who was also a co-owner of the sloops/schooners with Wells Hood and others was first married to Mary QUARTON. I'm thinking she is possibly the daughter of the Quarton that married Hannah RICHARDSON nee HOOD.
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No references to any Pearson or Cook, all money & property left to family - children - John, William, Catherine & Sarah Procter Evans and wife Sarah.
A codicil made after the deaths of William Massey of Selby & Sarah Procter Evans left their shares to John Massey, S P Evans's children and Catherine.
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The other William Massey of Sutton who was also a co-owner of the sloops/schooners with Wells Hood and others was first married to Mary QUARTON. I'm thinking she is possibly the daughter of the Quarton that married Hannah RICHARDSON nee HOOD.
Good Morning
Thanks Claire.
'Lawson' Schooner
Registration number/year: 42/1840
Master: Joseph Cliff
Built: Boroughbridge 1840
Builder: Robert Green
Owners at time of registration:
Richard Cliff, Selby, ship owner,
John Banks, Barlow, timber merchant,
William Massey, Sutton on Derwent, timber merchant,
Wells Hood, York, wine merchant,
Robert Green, Boroughbridge, ship builder
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Another concidence. Hood; Massey; Green and Boroughbridge, also the ship owner of Selby.
Different Wm Massey.
This Richard & William Hood families linked with Catwick both mention the Trust re Primitive Methodist Connexion.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6338658#msg6338658
Manor of Catwick, nr Leven ... (once owned by Richard Hood) thread p.4
Quarton in the Will summary
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.msg6333722#msg6333722
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That George Hood of Burslem (Pottery Manufacturer) with a Massey, in the 1841, wondering if that is a coincidence too.
Regards Mark
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1850 Hood Mortgage re Catwick, Stamford Bridge and Leven
Two of the parties in 2) were James Richardson and James Coke Richardson
A Cooke Richardson died the 14th April 1809, aged 8 months.
Wakefield M.I.
https://archive.org/stream/historyofoldpari00walk
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James Richardson and James Coke Richardson are likely father & son. The latter being born & baptised 4 May 1831 son of James & Elizabeth Catherine Coke
James Richardson was a solicitor.
James Richardson and Elizabeth Catherine Coke ROWE married in York by licence 10 Feb. 1825
Witnesses: Charlotte Richardson, John Wood, Joseph Wood, Elizabeth Wright, M Hotham, ? Crosby, Catherine and Elizabeth Thompson.
Wasn't Rowe the maiden surname of the Spencer lady who died in Scarborough?
EDIT: Can't be a relation to the Spencers this lady was born in Newfoundland, America from the census - or Canada from 1949.
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Thanks Claire
Afraid, proving George's origin is impossible.
Mark
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Thanks Claire
Afraid, proving George's origin is impossible.
Mark
I depends if you have found anything realistically worthy of further investigation to try to find proof or even strong indication ? one is on the right track.
George's educational and acquired occupational knowledge came from somewhere ? either from a working class or trading middle class or poor law education with an apprenticeship or running a business education. ? To acquire a tenancy at Wren lane, surely George would have had to have shown with occupational reference credentials, he was capable of making an income to pay the rent for the premises, and especially after R Gibson had gone bust - the property owner would be more inclined to seek further reassurance he would get the rent money off the next tenant George Hood.
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm.
Regarding the "Not in Membership" Quaker burial and Richard Taylor's comment suggesting the family origin to be rather transient. James Hood his ancestor was Brother of my 3 X Gt. Grandfather John Hood.
Mystery George wasn't a Quaker, Membership refused in 1836, but likely an 'attender'
Perhaps before George Hood settled at Selby, he was transient too.
Possibly him at Knottingley 1813, if so, two places at once.
The mystery James Cookin, witness, on the Hood = Russell 1815 Selby Marriage.
Added Looking at this signature again, I can't make my mind up, if it says JANE COOKIN and they wrote Jane on the B.T. copy too?
Some of these new Independent meetings lacked numbers, Selby Independent had stopped for a while late 18th Century, and a book & pdf refers to Ministers 1810 - 1812 coming from Hull.
Presbyterian at Selby (est c.1700), later became Unitarian 19th Century.
James Cockin, founded the Intinerant Society 1811 ... references to Northowram; Heckmondwike, Rotherham and Idle. Also Hoxton Academy. Added another says Joseph Cockin.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1S68AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA193&lpg=PA193&dq=%22James+Cockin%22&source=bl&ots=9UnJ1FsWFi&sig=gM1gRW4wlj7TfhbUjroegUUmsr0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE85bn_IHXAhWIKVAKHeqvD8k4FBDoAQgcMAA
Reference to John Cockin (1783 to 1861) and Father Joseph Cockin (b.1755) a student at Heckmondwike (Heckmondwyke) under James Scott of Thornton and Halifax.
Reference to an 18th August 1811 meeting, which gave birth to the West Riding Intinerant Society.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1WlKAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA141&lpg=PA141&dq=Cockin+%22Itinerant+Society%22&source=bl&ots=viofMMzk4-&sig=KVSumeUSS-8AcOBc4q6mj2iEbXY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIluezgILXAhXIY1AKHeeNDHAQ6AEIITAC
Also the Son James Hood of Selby, marrying a Selby Wesleyan.
The four surviving Sons were split religiously, two becoming Quakers one marrying a Wesleyan to begin with; William Hood becoming a C of E Minister, so a Religious family, C of E and Other Faiths.
George Hood Marriage by Licence, with an Allegation and Bond too, but not marrying for two months and resident at Selby two years.
Sarah Russell was C of E, but above suggests the mystery George Hood was probably not.
Mark
Dissenters Academies provided education, besides preparing Dissenting Ministers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dissenting_academies_(1660%E2%80%931800)
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The most logic thought to mind;- George Hood came to Selby 1812 by reading in newspapers about Richard Gibson's bankruptcy, attracted by the thought of picking up a falling business to turn around into a recovery stock, he guessed the business premises, cooper tooling and a need for a cooper in the township of Selby would be still there.(Only one cooper in Selby 1800 Mountain Directory was Richard Gibson) This would explain why your near exhausted research possibilities of finding George Hood circa birth year 1785/7 origins became impossible (Your words above reply# 852)
About same year 1800 R Gibson advertised for a Cooper- (business was good- Thinks George) too early for George then to apply ! but George would have been about 15 years old in 1800 and could have read the advert in his early apprenticeship as a cooper. Seven years later, George reads about Richard Gibson is Bankrupt stated in most national newspapers over 3 years till R Gibson 1810 certificate issued.
Young George age 15 in 1800 had got plans to make a future for himself and he did. To venture out with seeming no real family history suggests he was an orphan or illegitimate born in a workhouse or poor beginnings in a parish educated by the parish to a trade. Hence his quest to learn and push to make something of himself.
To make something of oneself is a noble quest in its own right even if only humble and something to be proud of in an ancestor than carrying on a trade or wealth of forefathers successes.
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To make something of oneself is a noble quest in its own right even if only humble and something to be proud of in an ancestor than carrying on a trade or wealth of forefathers successes.
Agree Dobfarm. I have an "illegitimate" agricultural labourer. As an adult he became pals with the local schoolmaster, and after work on an evening had lessons. He then became a schoolmaster. Seizing an opportunity in business he became a book keeper in a brewery and ended-up being the managing director and amassed great wealth. He went on to be an Overseer of the Poor, and the only Mayor of Sheffield ever elected three consecutive terms. His obituary described him as "an architect of his own fortune". He never forgot his humble beginnings though. Am I proud of him, yeh!
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To make something of oneself is a noble quest in its own right even if only humble and something to be proud of in an ancestor than carrying on a trade or wealth of forefathers successes.
Agree Dobfarm. I have an "illegitimate" agricultural labourer. As an adult he became pals with the local schoolmaster, and after work on an evening had lessons. He then became a schoolmaster. Seizing an opportunity in business he became a book keeper in a brewery and ended-up being the managing director and amassed great wealth. He went on to be an Overseer of the Poor, and the only Mayor of Sheffield ever elected three consecutive terms. His obituary described him as "an architect of his own fortune". He never forgot his humble beginnings though. Am I proud of him, yeh!
I agree also George becoming or trying to become an overseer of the parish of Selby is a good indicator he may have felt a need or he wanted to give back something to a parish admin with thought of his beginnings and importance of the service the parish with what they did for young children later teenagers education.
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To make something of oneself is a noble quest in its own right even if only humble and something to be proud of in an ancestor than carrying on a trade or wealth of forefathers successes.
Agree Dobfarm. I have an "illegitimate" agricultural labourer. As an adult he became pals with the local schoolmaster, and after work on an evening had lessons. He then became a schoolmaster. Seizing an opportunity in business he became a book keeper in a brewery and ended-up being the managing director and amassed great wealth. He went on to be an Overseer of the Poor, and the only Mayor of Sheffield ever elected three consecutive terms. His obituary described him as "an architect of his own fortune". He never forgot his humble beginnings though. Am I proud of him, yeh!
I agree also George becoming or trying to become an overseer of the parish of Selby is a good indicator he may have felt a need or he wanted to give back something to a parish admin with thought of his beginnings and importance of the service the parish with what they did for young children later teenagers education.
Thank you.
All very good points.
George Cook?
George Pearson?
Father or Grandfather a Hood and take the name Hood.
Mark
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Guardians of the Poor of the Parish of Selby Election 1837
William Massey
Joseph Dobson and
John Foster
were elected Guardians of the Poor in the Parish of Selby by a majority of Votes the number of votes for the Several Candidates being as follows, that is to say, for ...
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Signed John Adams and Thos Leaper, Overseers
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George Hood was elected at Selby in 1838
Mark
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Hello
1789 Selby Window Tax
Looks like Ms Esthill Spinster and underneath D'u[?] [for?] "hoody"
There was a Moody elsewhere, but the first letter does not look like a capital M or H?
Mark
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Look at Matt ?etson
Same as ?oody
Look at the writers H in W'm Hancroft or Hawcroft last name bottom of list so don't think its Moody or Hoody
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Thanks dobfarm
Agree, doesn't look like M or H.
Nothing under Esthill (Proprietor & Occupier) p.3, 1790 Selby Land Tax.
Thought Matt, might be Matt Nelson, but Noody would be odd.
Film 2093712 on FS Catalogue.
16. Window Tax 1788 images 716 to 730.
17. Window Tax 1789 images 731 to 744.
Mark
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Hi
One particular pdf has references to Richardson, Hord, Massey, Hutchinson, Casson, Wilkinson, etc., links to this site
http://www.pennyghael.org.uk/genealogy.htm
The author of the site suggests the following, so awaiting a copy ...
Biographical Dictionary of British Quakers in Commerce and Industry 1775-1920 624 A4 pages, ... 2,800 entries. Indexes of occupations, places, apprentice masters and schools attended. Eight appendixes. Over 50 pages of illustrations. ... Edward H. Milligan
There was a Hutchinson Trust in the mid 1870s, which went back to early 1800s (about 1806) mentioning Selby.
Found the Trustees together in the Will Calendar and hoping to discover more.
George appears separate (family wise), but underneath very much linked (property / business wise) with Hutchinson, Massey and others and obviously his Son John Hood by marriage to a Richardson in 1846, Daughter of a Clock maker.
Mark
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A snippet of Quaker material apparently at the J.B. Morrell Library / Borthwick Institute, York.
Letters of Isabel Casson (1777-1857) to Esther Priestman, 1802-1848
Business letters of John Casson (fl.1849-1871) to William Murray Tuke, 1849-1871
Letters of Ellen Cockin (1758-1841) to Esther Priestman and Maria Tuke, 1813-1837
Isabel Richardson born 1777 (daughter of Henry and Hannah Richardson of Whitby) who married Henry Casson. Isabel Casson also being a Quaker, dying 1857 aged 80.
Not quite sure, how close Isabel Casson (relationship wise) was to Jane Hood, nee Casson born Thorne, later of Selby / Brayton, but a link to a Richardson.
The Tuke family found so far, centre around York. Tea Merchants and Dealers.
York Minutes (Brotherton Lib.) - Jane Hood (nee Casson) had married outside the Quaker Meeting, so William Hood was not a Quaker 1850s.
I'm thinking that George Hood might have got his Quaker burial, because George possibly had a Quaker relative somewhere.
Mark
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James Cockin & Mary Turr, Thorne, 2 August 1791, by Banns, James signed, but image B.T. Mary left mark per B.T.
Turr or Tuke
Need to check original church register
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Samuel Tuke
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=761724.msg6347066#msg6347066
George by two named members Samuel Tuke and Thomas Allis saying George Hood was "a conscientious man
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Quite a few Tuke's in the York Deeds including a Samuel Tuke c1824-30 timeframe.
claire
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From the Richard Gibson Thread - Yorks, North Riding ...
Hi Claire,
James Cockin & Mary Turr, Thorne, 2 August 1791, by Banns,
Its a very long shot, but thinking 1812 was George's first appearance in Selby, little known about him to 1815 when he married Sarah Russel with Witness James Cockin and seems the earliest surname to be linked to George. There has been some searches done on Cockin surname but if James Cockin,s wife was ? Mary Turr, the link to George's marriage 1815 could be from the Turr surname or George could be a relative of Mary Turr.
BENTLEY AND COCKIN FAMILY RECORDS
Comprising: records relating to Cockin family and Bentley, including miscellaneous photographs, memoranda and papers
DZMD/423 Doncaster Archives
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DZMZ/45 Doncaster archives
DONCASTER, BALBY, BURGHWALLIS AND THORNE NON-PAROCHIAL REGISTERS, 1761-1837
Thank you dobfarm and Claire
Well spotted, I like this COCKIN papers find very much, but not quite for the same reason.
I understand the records relate to the COCKIN Family and Bentley.
TNA says "Creator: Cockin family of Bentley, Yorkshire."
The place of Bentley is near or part of Arksey, North of Doncaster.
Arksey not far from the A19 road to Selby and South of ASKERN, (South of Whitley / Kellington) linked to the Newby family.
Regards Mark
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James Cockin summaries, some are B.T.s, so can't see all witnesses, or signatures.
James Cockin & Frances Corner, South Cave, 1789. [crosses - signature]
James Cockin & Martha Hargreave, Wath upon Dearne, by Banns 26th December 1786, signed James Coikin.
James Cockin & Mary Turr, Thorne, 2 August 1791, by Banns, James signed, but image B.T. Mary left mark per B.T.
James Son of William & Dorothy Cockin, Joyner, Doncaster, Bapt. 26 December 1786. B.T.
William Son of James & Ann Cockin, Abode Doncaster, Labourer, Bapt Doncaster 2 Oct. 1814, born 24 July 1814.
Must be a James Cockin & Ann [ ? ] Marriage somewhere?
I need to see if I can obtain the actual Marriage signatures, where they signed.
Mark
Third Image Extract
Added: I was interested to notice that a Witness to Thomas Cockin of Luddington and Margaret Chester of this Parish, 1796 marriage at Hatfield, looks like Rob.t COOKIN
Perhaps James Cookin (witness 1815 Selby Marriage) and Robert Cookin (below) were both taught by the same person?
And it is believed that Margaret Chester is linked to Chester Newby, George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bondsman
Image 4
A very fine gap can just be seen, but so close it looks like an 'O'
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Hi Everyone :)
Marriage of James COCKING in Hatfield November 1813 to Ann Wilburn
Claire
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Thanks Claire
Not the same signature, as Hood & Russell 1815 at Selby.
Mark
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Seems Alfred Hood is rare.
25 June 1838; Charles HOOD; Full; Bachelor; Yeoman; Cranborne; Thomas Hood; Yeoman;
to Mary Ann Agnus TOMPSON; Full; Spinster; Cranborne; John Tompson; Clergyman;
Witnesses: Alfred Hood and Sophia Hood
The last miller of Thrigby was Alfred Hood who was also a local farmer. He ran the mill until 1889 when the mill ceased working. Mautby, Norfolk. (Gt. Yarmouth area)
George Henry Hanson and Alfred Hood the younger, carrying on business as Oil Merchants, at Nechells Park, Birmingham. 1885. But there must have been an Alfred Hood, senior.
Alfred Hood and Son, Brewer, Gravelly Hill, Birmingham, c.1900 a bit recent.
Mark
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Alfred Hood - there are 116 births recorded on F M P between 1807 - 1860 - however some are duplicated because of the numerous datasets there are
Couple in Yorkshire: Alfred Hood bpt. 15 Sep 1841 York St Crux - son of Mark & Sarah. This Alfred passed away the following year
Alfred Hood bpt. 17 Sep 1861 Beverley - son of Thomas & Martha Hood.
And William Hood and Jane Casson named a child Alfred William
Not so many Alfreds if using the name as a surname though.
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Hello
Thanks Claire.
Wren Lane, 1823, Valuation relating to the Poor's Rate
I felt William Hood mentioned in the 1836 Deed Memorial, was George Hood's Son baptised Selby 1816.
Any Will please, for "Mr Robert Richardson" mentioning him at Selby and other small owners besides Lord Petre?
I had assumed (apart from the earlier reference to Richard Gibson and Thomas Holliday occupying at the last Survey), that the description of those surrounding the boundaries of the property being conveyed in the 1836 Deed Memorial were current as at 1835/1836.
Wren Lane, 1823
p.14, David Briggs, 1824 now Hick - Butchers Shop &c. in Wren Lane, owner Honble Edw'd Petre
p.26, Thomas Day - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.36, John Green - Workshop at Wren Lane and Carlton Lane Close, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.44, Geo Hood - House & c. in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.56, Wm Morley - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.56, Ben: Matthewman - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.102, John Wilson - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p. ---, Wm Bateman - House and Smiths Shop in Wren Lane, owner Rob't Atkinson.
p. ---, Thos Bolton - House in Wren Lane, owner Sarah Bolton.
p. ---, In hand - Cottage in Wren Lane, owner Mary Raby.
p. ---, John Laverack - House in Wren Lane, owner Rob't Richardson.
p. ---, Rob't Archer - A Cottage in Wren Lane, owner Rob't Stephenson.
Added p.14 David Briggs / David Hick
p.56 Ben: Matthewman
This is not a Manorial Rental, but the next best thing I can find before 1841.
Kind regards Mark
The North-western end of Wren Lane abutts Micklegate.
Regarding John Wilson in Wren Lane, a John Wilson occupies a Public House in Micklegate, owner Thos Castles.
Thos Castles also owns a House in Micklegate with Brewery and Malting occupied by John Singleton.
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Hello
Thanks Claire.
Wren Lane, 1823, Valuation relating to the Poor's Rate
I felt William Hood mentioned in the 1836 Deed Memorial, was George Hood's Son baptised Selby 1816.
Any Will please, for "Mr Robert Richardson" mentioning him at Selby and other small owners besides Lord Petre?
I had assumed (apart from the earlier reference to Richard Gibson and Thomas Holliday occupying at the last Survey), that the description of those surrounding the boundaries of the property being conveyed in the 1836 Deed Memorial were current as at 1835/1836.
Wren Lane, 1823
p.14, David Briggs, 1824 now Hick - Butchers Shop &c. in Wren Lane, owner Honble Edw'd Petre
p.26, Thomas Day - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.36, John Green - Workshop at Wren Lane and Carlton Lane Close, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.44, Geo Hood - House & c. in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.56, Wm Morley - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.56, Ben: Matthewman - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p.102, John Wilson - House in Wren Lane, owner Hon: Edw'd Petre.
p. ---, Wm Bateman - House and Smiths Shop in Wren Lane, owner Rob't Atkinson.
p. ---, Thos Bolton - House in Wren Lane, owner Sarah Bolton.
p. ---, In hand - Cottage in Wren Lane, owner Mary Raby.
p. ---, John Laverack - House in Wren Lane, owner Rob't Richardson.
p. ---, Rob't Archer - A Cottage in Wren Lane, owner Rob't Stephenson.
Added p.14 David Briggs / David Hick
p.56 Ben: Matthewman
This is not a Manorial Rental, but the next best thing I can find before 1841.
Kind regards Mark
The North-western end of Wren Lane abutts Micklegate.
Regarding John Wilson in Wren Lane, a John Wilson occupies a Public House in Micklegate, owner Thos Castles.
Thos Castles also owns a House in Micklegate with Brewery and Malting occupied by John Singleton.
Is this 1836 information from the official 1836 Deed Memorials ? held at Wakefield "Register of deed office" (Held at the New WYAS building Kirkgate Wakefield)
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Hello dobfarm
I have the 1836 Deed Registration Copy from Wakefield and no apparent family link to my George Hood.
George Hood's neighbours, were a William Hood (possibly his Son) and a Robert Richardson.
If anyone is going to Wakefield, I would like the two 1846 George Hood Deeds index reference numbers (Selby and Boroughbridge), please?
I have these official Deed Copies so far:-
Spencer To Hembrough (John Hood and Robert Nicholson OCCUPIERS only), Millgate, Selby, 1803, Vol. EN, p.314, No.423.
Woodcock & Ors To Hood (ex John Clark property), Gowthorpe, Year 1831, Volume KZ, Page 477, No. 448.
Clarkson To Hood (occupied by George Hood & Henry Mitton), Wren Lane, Year 1833, Volume LO, page 212, No. 206.
Petre and Ors To Collinson (George Hood, Brewer), Ousegate, Year 1836, Volume ML, Page 36, No. 29.
Petre and Ors To Hood (occupier George Hood, Brewer), Wren Lane and Micklegate, Year 1836, Volume ML, Page 39, No. 31.
Collinson & Ors To Elly (George Hood), Ousegate, Year 1838, Volume ML, Page 46, No. 38.
Nicholson & Ors To Collinson, numerous properties on Ousegate, (George Hood, Brewer, is a party), Year 1838, Vol. NC, page 14, No. 14.
[Nicholson has been forced to sell by Orders in Chancery 1830 onward. Later Wm Hood is holding it on Trust under the Will of James Collinson and later Wm Hood of Selby Trustee orders the sale]
Brook to Hood (George Hood, Brewer), Gowthorpe, Year 1845, Volume PC, Page 657, No.645.
Mark
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The years of Richard Gibson occupancy of Petre property of Wren Lane Selby between his bankruptcy 1807 to George Hood appearing on Selby Land tax records 1812.
Who would be paying the rent on the Petre property to bring income between 1807 to 1812 on the Wren lane Petre property or the time R Gibson was in London.
Questions arising :
Would R Gibson been evicted
Would there be mention of R Gibson bankruptcy in the deeds
There could have been some paperwork- Solicitors or courts with Petre ~ somewhere over the Gibson bankruptcy.
Just a thought!
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Thanks dobfarm
George Hood's property was described on one side of Wren Lane and Wm Hood's seems to be on other side.
Most of the Bankruptcy Commissions under the Lord Chancellor (incl Gibson's) were destroyed.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2755
The National Archives, Reference B 3
Dates 1753 to 1854
The series is a small sample only of the vast numbers of bankruptcy files. It is not known how the sample was constructed.
These surviving files contain examinations of bankrupts, lists of creditors drawn up in response to advertisement in the London Gazette, depositions, etc. but can vary in size from a single sheet to multiple volumes.
Mark
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Basically what type of coopers were R Gibson/G Hood
A common cooper who made barrels or repaired them
or (both - ? trades as one cooper/brewer/spirit trader business)
A Wine cooper,
Definition:~ Noun
wine cooper (plural wine coopers)
a person who samples, bottles and sells wine
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wine_cooper
Beer/wine/spirits Cooper who looks after barrel prep, barrel and bottle storage (daily turning)
1800 R Gibson advertised for a full trained cooper therefore could have had a worker or workers 1807 at bankruptcy and if he was storing various alcohols as stock and trade (this would fit G Hood later brewer)
Petre on his property would a have a big problem with Gibson's maturing alcohols as stock and trade (Part of the Bankruptcy value in Courts) and no income of rent on the property.
Common-sense suggests ~ Rich Petre's solicitors working overtime
Did Petre Doc's survive ( possible)
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Thanks dobfarm
There is no detail about Cooperage, or if George Hood was even a businessman Cooper.
William Massey and Jonathan Hutchinson, Merchants of Selby were parties in the "Petre and Ors To Hood", Wren Lane acquisition.
Parties Edward White Gentleman and Charles Henry Pigot of Gt Marlborough St Gentleman, were the Solicitors and acting for the Lords of the Manor. William White of No. 108 Cheapside City of London for Edward Robert Petre.
William Massey of Selby died 1843, so ordered his Probate Bundle (Will).
Mark
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Though I'm going to look at the deeds index Wakefield next spring or warmer weather
I think a visit to Wakefield by you sometime would be best (staff usually given good free advise), as they have allsorts of doc's in listed & unlisted and also look at the actual deeds registers. Plenty of cheap B & B or travel lodge deals or similar firms in autumn/winter months against cost of paying for doc's to be sent to you that can be of no real value till after you have paid, attained & seen them. ???
Overnight coach deal -some online as little as a £1 & over 60's 1/3 off dicounts.
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Hi dobfarm
We'll try Wakefield and the Brynmoor Jones and/or History Centre.
Some later Hood of Selby Copyhold 1840s amongst the Manor Court Rolls.
Mark
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Good Morning
1823
In David Akers Assignment of Sutton Grange, in the Parish of Ripon, County of York dated Ripon 18th June 1823, one of the individuals he assigned his property to was ...
GEORGE HOOD of Boroughbridge, in the said County, Coal-Merchant ...
This George Hood of Boroughbridge, Coal Merchant, looks to be George Hood, Innkeeper ...
BOROUGHBRIDGE.- TO BE SOLD BY
AUCTION, (in Consequence of the Death of Mr.
Robert Brown, Coal Merchant,) at the House of Mr. George
Hood, the Grantham Arms, in Boroughbridge, on Saturday,
the 13th of October, 1827, at Four o'Clock in the Afternoon,
in Seven Lots, SIX WELL-BUILT KEELS, and ONE
LIGHTER, most of them nearly New, and all in excellent
Condition, the Property of the late Firm of Hood and Brown.
The Buyers will be required to pay a Deposit of One-fifth
of the Purchase Money on the Conclusion of the Sale, and
may have Six Months Credit, on approved Security, for the
Remainder.
It is particularly requested that all Debts owing to the
said Firm, may be paid without Delay, to Mr. George Hood,
the surviving Partner.
In the Will of George Hood, September 1835, Kirby Hill, who was George Hood the Elder of Milby in the County of York Innkeeper, he mentions a Lighter and a Debt of £150 due and owing to me from James Atkinson of Rockcliffe together with all Interest due.
The Debt owing to George Hood, Snr., is being left to the Son also called George Hood.
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Hi
Some of my HOOD family were Protestants, or possibly Jewish.
I have been emailed a photograph of an 1896 Hood grave (Wife of George Hood born Selby 1847) and also got an Imperial War Graves Commission (IWGC now CWGC) of one of my HOODs 1917 headstone inscription wording.
Both have different inscriptions in English and then the lone word MIZPAH beneath.
One internet source, after referring to the use of Mizpah from the mid 1870s onward says ... Mizpah monograms were applied to Protestant prayer books and gravestones.
The word Mizpah is Hebrew and simply means a 'lookout' or a 'watchtower'. It comes from the verb tz-f-h or tzofeh ... .
A second internet source also links Mizpah to the Protestant tradition.
The more grandiose translation of Mizpah derived from the story in Genesis seems to exist only in the Protestant tradition. Catholics don't have it, and Jews have not used the word mitzpah as a symbol of anything, or as a short form of the phrase “may God watch over you while we are apart.” There is no Jewish mitzpah jewelry using the Hebrew script, at least none I have ever seen. Note, too, that the Jewish liturgy does contain a “traveler’s prayer,” called t’filat ha-derekh in Hebrew, which asks God’s protection whilst one is one the road, separated from friends and loved ones. The prayer’s main part consists of slightly over a hundred words, not a single one of which is any form of the verb tz-f-h.
Mark
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J. S. Hood (with "Mizpah", a Hebrew word on the last line of his WW 1 grave inscription) was baptised in Belgrave, Leicestershire, so I'm getting a right load of mixed signals!
Seems my Hoods were blowing hot and cold between C of E and other Faiths, like the changes in the weather.
Royalty, Quakers, Jews and Marriages solemnized beyond the Seas were exempted from Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753 from marrying in a Parish Church. The Act did not apply in Scotland.
There are claims on the internet that although Quakers and Jews were quite separate, that there was some past friendship between them?
They had both fought for some religious freedoms in England. The Quakers endured persecution or were imprisoned and this is documented in old online publications, quite some time before 1753. The Jewish Relief is mentioned in the time of Cromwell.
I vaguely recall my Grandmother speaking of the significance of the Seven Candlestick holder and my Mum's Father saying it was Jewish. But I was too wee and only overhearing the family discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah_(Temple)
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I'm wondering if this is why the 1815 Marriage Allegation was changed and that George Hood was not exempt and had to marry in the Parish Church.
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Added
Edith Hood, who possibly chose the word Mizpah had won a Teaching Prize in her Diocesan Area, so she might have had some knowledge of Hebrew and chose it, because it simply meant something to her personally.
Mark
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Good Morning
1823
In David Akers Assignment of Sutton Grange, in the Parish of Ripon, County of York dated Ripon 18th June 1823, one of the individuals he assigned his property to was ...
GEORGE HOOD of Boroughbridge, in the said County, Coal-Merchant ...
This George Hood of Boroughbridge, Coal Merchant, looks to be George Hood, Innkeeper ...
BOROUGHBRIDGE.- TO BE SOLD BY
AUCTION, (in Consequence of the Death of Mr.
Robert Brown, Coal Merchant,) at the House of Mr. George
Hood, the Grantham Arms, in Boroughbridge, on Saturday,
the 13th of October, 1827, at Four o'Clock in the Afternoon,
in Seven Lots, SIX WELL-BUILT KEELS, and ONE
LIGHTER, most of them nearly New, and all in excellent
Condition, the Property of the late Firm of Hood and Brown.
The Buyers will be required to pay a Deposit of One-fifth
of the Purchase Money on the Conclusion of the Sale, and
may have Six Months Credit, on approved Security, for the
Remainder.
It is particularly requested that all Debts owing to the
said Firm, may be paid without Delay, to Mr. George Hood,
the surviving Partner.
In the Will of George Hood, September 1835, Kirby Hill, who was George Hood the Elder of Milby in the County of York Innkeeper, he mentions a Lighter and a Debt of £150 due and owing to me from James Atkinson of Rockcliffe together with all Interest due.
The Debt owing to George Hood, Snr., is being left to the Son also called George Hood.
Deleted
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I have also established that James Duncanson ( - 1674) was ejected from Chatton, Northumberland and he had a Licence as a Presbyterian for a Meeting in his own house at Selby dated 29th May 1672.
The Selby Presbyterian Birth records are missing from 1672 to 1796 and two other sets of Selby records are missing covering George Hood's Birth window.
The earliest surviving Selby Presbyterian Birth records (found to date) beginning 1797, also say Baptists were meeting with the Presbyterians at Selby.
My Grandfather HOOD was later a Baptist (1939) and had married my Grandmother earlier at a Methodist Chapel.
The two Sculcoates, M.I. books came today, no Hood at all, Richardson, Gibson, Cook, Pearson, Turner, Spencer - none recognised as related.
Looking like we'll have to see what we can find in the Dr Williams Library.
Mark
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... the 1945 letter written by J. W. Chapman of Doncaster and Scarborough deals mainly with James Hood's children, then on page 2 refers to a mystery WINIFRED HOOD who did not marry.
Page 2 "I understand there was also a daughter Winifred Hood who did not marry, and the last I heard of her was that she was residing in Harrogate, but my informant does not know her address."
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Hi
I stumbled across this and sites are linking this William Henry Hood (killed 24 August 1915), aged 40 to
"A" Coy. 1st Bn. West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)
Husband of Hannah Hood, of 9, Cambridge Place, Harrogate, Yorks. Native of Wetherby, Yorks.
http://wetherbywarmemorial.com/id42.html
William Henry Hood was born in 1874 at Goole to parents Samuel, occupation, a Master Coach Builder, and Mary Hood. (Authors note: The 1881 Census records his father as Samuel, the baptism record of Ethel, one Charles Samuel. To confuse matters further, his name upon his death is recorded as one Charles Vincent).
The reference to Vincent, suggests a link to the Vincent Hood family of Drax, near Selby, who originated Ditchingham, Norfolk.
I wonder if there is a Winifred Hood linked to this lot please?
Mark
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Hi Mark
Can't see a Winifred in the census and father Samuel was dead by 1891 at which time the family were in Wetherby.
Father Samuel and mother Mary Anne nee Bollands were both born in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk.
Claire
EDIT: Cannot find a marriage for the couple in Norfolk - although I have seen her baptism in 1848 - father Charles Bolland(s). Have found this marriage though and it all fits bar his name ???
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I have also established that James Duncanson ( - 1674) was ejected from Chatton, Northumberland and he had a Licence as a Presbyterian for a Meeting in his own house at Selby dated 29th May 1672.
The Selby Presbyterian Birth records are missing from 1672 to 1796 and two other sets of Selby records are missing covering George Hood's Birth window.
The earliest surviving Selby Presbyterian Birth records (found to date) beginning 1797, also say Baptists were meeting with the Presbyterians at Selby.
My Grandfather HOOD was later a Baptist (1939) and had married my Grandmother earlier at a Methodist Chapel.
The two Sculcoates, M.I. books came today, no Hood at all, Richardson, Gibson, Cook, Pearson, Turner, Spencer - none recognised as related.
Looking like we'll have to see what we can find in the Dr Williams Library.
Mark
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2494015
((Separate issues or not ? Why before 1807 -or what is the significance of 1807 ???- then state post 1807 being 1836 [doesn't make sense]-or a mistake -should be prior 1707 or prior 1907))
RG 4/3178 1797-1836
Selby, Yorkshire, Denomination: Presbyterian prior to 1807: Births and Baptisms (1797-1836); Selby, Yorkshire, Denomination: Presbyterian prior to 1807: Deaths (1836).
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=__5bAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA70&dq=Selby+Presbyterian&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVmser29PXAhUlJ8AKHf9uDC0Q6AEIKzAB#v=onepage&q=Selby%20Presbyterian&f=false
Prior 1707
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Thanks Claire & dobfarm
The Commissioners in 1836/7 established to collect the Non-parochial Registers for the Registrar General (your Google Books link - dobfarm) were aware that the Selby Presbyterian Chapel was established before, or by 1707, because There is a Silver cup for the Communion Service which is dated 1707 was the gift of one Mrs Bacon to the Chapel the Edifice is without [?] Minister
In the 1837 Questionaire (at the rear) signed by Thos Smith, Mixenden Near Halifax, Yorkshire, it implies that the Selby Presbyterian congregation is at present without a Minister and "I was Minister of the Presbyterian Chapel in Selby 1796 to 1833, when I resigned."
Henry Spear had kept the Selby Presbyterian Register since 1833.
Selby Presbyterian Trustees:-
Thos Walker Esq., Magistrate near Leeds and
Wm Read Esq., Methley near Ferrybridge.
Mr Henry Spear is an Active Member.
Smith goes on to say that there was likely another Selby Presbyterian Register, but he doesn't have it.
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Just spotted something in the Selby Parish Register transcriptions ...
26 Feb 1809
Richard BATHWICK or BORTHWICK Marriage To Ann WARD
Richard of Howden Parish: Sadler
Ann of this
By Licence
Richard aged 26
Ann aged 23
Wits: Amelia TATE and Wm HOOD
Mark
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The years 1806/8 to 1812 (George Hood death 1845 Selby) from being abt 21 years in Circa 1806/8 old to abt 25 years old 1812/13 being a man. On assumption now you have found a definite possibility that the lost Presbyterian records 1707 to 1796- George could have been in those birth records circa 1784-1788 as you stated earlier, therefore is it possible George Hood d 1845 could be mentioned as a man 1806 to 1812 in any other Presbyterian records
(and Mark- its very impressive the way you have found Quaker records - so are there any other related Presbyterian records say 1806-1812 local to Selby you can find that may mention George in them as a man full age or even John Hood buried 1819 likely same man as husband John Hood, mariner, of Jane Hood burial 1803)
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Hi
The signature of Wm Hood on the marriage of Richard Borthwick looks like it could possibly be WOOD. Will add it to post when I get on my laptop, but will search for a marriage for comparison.
Well, I've enlarged the image, and I'm not sure now. there is a definite difference in how the letter 'W' was formed in Wm, and in the surname. I've left a red mark where I believe the letter began
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Looks nearer Wm Wood, than Wm Hood.
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http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/4246/1/DX093164.pdf
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http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/4246/1/DX093164.pdf
Thank you dobfarm
What I did notice, were that the relations of George Cooke of Selby, carried the SELBY Surname. Fn.54
54. Selby Peculiar Court 1682
Reference to the large Tannery in Gowthorpe and William Todd (died 1743), recorded with 191 skins, 2 Tubs of hides and "30 hides in the Owze", [Ouse / Ouze] that is some Tannery!
17th Century (too early), but an Abraham Gibson was a Cooper, of Cawood.
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Claire has spotted an 1811 Census for SNAITH in the CLARK & Co Solicitors documents at East Riding Archives.
Also some interesting information here about surviving PRE - 1841 Census here.
The link deals with 1811 (Indexed by County and then places)
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1811.htm
1831 Census for SNAITH Details of individuals and their names were not recorded in the official Census returns.
1811 Census for SNAITH and also SKIPWITH Details of individuals and their names were not recorded in the official Census returns.
Kind regards Mark
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Thank you dobfarm
What I did notice, were that the relations of George Cooke of Selby, carried the SELBY Surname. Fn.54
54. Selby Peculiar Court 1682
Added: Upon reflection, I feel this Cooke (with Selby relations) will be going back 100 years too far and even further back.
Selby of Selby
On his tomb, Selby claimed to have ‘sprung from the ancient and illustrious family of the Selbys of Selby in the county of York’. His family’s connections with Newcastle began in around 1500 with William Selby, who served as sheriff. William’s son became an alderman, while his grandson served as mayor, and subsequently MP for the town in 1572. The family also claimed kinship with Odinel Selby†, who arrived in Berwick-upon-Tweed under Henry VIII, and whose descendants settled at Twizell, Branxton and other nearby manors.14
14.
R. Welford, Hist. Newcastle and Gateshead, 266-7;
Surtees, ii. 274-5;
Durham Vis. Peds. ed. Foster, 283.
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1604-1629/member/selby-sir-george-15567-1625
Some HOODs at Twizell, Yorkshire, in the 1841 Census
Mark
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This sounds quite interesting
It would seem that Selby had an Endowed School (formed in 1716) that was run by the trustees of the Independent Chapel
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https://archive.org/stream/collectiorerume00ducagoog#page/n495/mode/2up/search/selby
Page 443 School 6 children Boys to read, girls read, knit & sew
Full book pages for Selby bottom orange balloons (wait a few minutes for link to search)
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https://archive.org/stream/collectiorerume00ducagoog#page/n495/mode/2up/search/selby
Page 443 School 6 children Boys to read, girls read, knit & sew
Full book pages for Selby bottom orange balloons (wait a few minutes for link to search)
Thank you Claire
There was provision by the Independents to provide Schooling according to Roger A Bellingham's PhD Thesis (online) of Leicester University, on Selby and several other towns. Only Selby out of those towns the author featured was also Nonconformist, he mentions this was noted in 1743, information likely from the report made by Archbishop Herring's Visitation returns 1743.
He also cites some later Public Record Office (TNA) Home Office files, so the government looks to have been collecting information on Selby Nonconformism.
Selby of old, was one of the few places where the majority could sign their own name. An indication of teaching by the Non-conformists, Quakers and as dobfarm points out the Parish and Charities (in the link).
There you are Goughy you bright sparks! ;D
Thanks dobfarm,
Another interesting find, you found dobfarm! Barlby (Post Town Selby) under the Parish of Hemingborough.
Also Others (and expect there are possibly more).
Wistow, All Saints (Post Town Selby), page 83.
Archbishop Mountayn's Charity. Rent of 13 acres of land, for apprenticing poor boys.
Robert Shaw's Charity, by Will dated 29th December 1719.
Rent-charge 5l. per annum, to a Schoolmaster, for teaching 10 poor boys to read and write.
Selby St Mary and St German, pages 74 & 75
Blue-coat Charity. Rent of 8 acres of land, for clothing and instructing poor boys.
Joshua Rayner's charity, by Will dated 28th February 1710. Rent of 9A.0R. 38P. of land to a Schoolmaster, for teaching 6 poor boys to read and write. Eleven boys are now taught, and also clothed once in two years.
Noticed, The Parish of Selby is partly within the liberty of St. Peter of York.
Mark
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Keeping with this theme of nonconformists dissidents
Its clear John Hood was in land tax records as lived in Selby 1770's to 1819 burial, yet his name does not come up in any parish books those years, overseers relief money collected in from parishioners of the parish also if was to poor to give, their names was still stated, but as as too poor to give with 0 collected, and constables payments or churchwarden accounts-no John Hood. As John Hood was buried in Selby Abbey register rules out Quaker as they had their own burial ground, so other dominations of nonconformity is likely. Unless John Hood was a mariner, using Selby as a stop over port at the other end of a regular ship route from his own port parish/ denomination of Nonconformity port town (probably Scarborough or Gateshead/Newcastle or Hull) would/could also explain him not been mentioned in Selby parish administration books.(Not to be confused with parish registers)
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Thanks dobfarm
The nearest I think I could find was a Jno Head in the Selby Parish records, but I don't have all the Selby Land Tax images for each year to see if a Head also appears there, indicating Hood and Head were separate surnames.
But HEAD might not appear anyway in the Land Tax, as some Occupiers are not listed in the multiple Tenements, or multiple occupancy residences. Also some properties were subject to other Tithe and old Manor Rents and Levies, separate to Land Tax. At some point you could even pay to have the property removed from Land Tax.
For example our old village Pub was subject to a Fee Farm Rent and a then a Quit Rent for a period of years from the date of Sale, when it was sold off, by Tomkinson, one of the Lords of the Manor. The Pub Occupiers and Licensees don't appear in our Parish or Township Land Tax, despite other Tomkinson Tenants being listed. A magazine of the 1930s says our Pub The Plough Inn of Stockingford was called an Ancient Hostelry. Before 1813 it was known by the Sign of the Holly Bush.
I am desperate for a window of improvement, so that we can visit some Archives.
Yes, John Hood of Scarborough (later of Selby, Mariner) appears to have lost every child baptised (Parish Baptisms) except Maudland who was also Parish baptised.
John Hood might have thought, it's time to change faith, or perhaps his Wife Elizabeth Hood (nee Spencer) was behind the Baptisms him being away at Sea, and John Hood was always a Protestant. There was also many many NC Chapels including Presbyterian in Scarborough (see also Colin Hinson's information online with photos).
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Scarborough#Churches
Scarborough Presbyterian accounts and papers back to 1725
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13976323
If they had their own Selby protestant Chapel to finance, they wouldn't want to pay Church Rates, or Parish charges.
However, the Land Tax was by Parliamentary Act and if your property was subject to the Tax, the Occupier and/or the Owner had to pay it.
Mark
Added:
The 1803 Transfer Registration (from the Wakefield Registry) from John Spencer, Gent of Selby, indicates John Hood and Robert Nicholson (1802) were Occupying a House divided into two Tenements in Millgate, Selby.
Hood is not listed in Mountain's 1800 which only lists Principal Inhabitants (Gentry / posh) of Selby, but John Hood's property has a Garden or Orchard, so not your hovel or one or two room residence tucked away off an alley Court (High density housing).
This suggests John Hood the Mariner was not wealthy, but comfortable off, hence living to 82 years of age.
Selby was on the main sailing route to London, with Ship Building Yards. Possibly John Hood moved to Selby to take advantage of the Canals and some fellow Merchants were also Dissenters and Quakers (probably accounts for the Quaker Wedding Witness at Charles Turner and Maudland HOOD's Marriage), besides C of E Merchants. Although the Parish Church buried nearly everybody, of whatever faith.
Dissenting education was usually good, because their followers could not usually get Parish Church Dole money, they needed their followers to be able to support themselves and they were looking for the future Ministers able to speak at Meetings. I have discovered that Dissenting Ministers also went to University or their Training Academies, so Dissenting education and Teaching was and is not to be sniffed at, as second rate.
One site online claims there was a Ship Builder at Selby, that they don't know the name of.
I am hoping to go to Wakefield and look through them Property Indexes at associated surnames.
Thank you, Mark
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I agree with what you say, but I have to say again John Hood was in Selby Land Tax record and also rented property you mention also agree that not all people in a household would be mentioned in the Land tax monies collection record book.
With financial parish monies collection income book for money to pay the poor by the overseer of Selby parish from C of E parishioners - Unlike land tax- Every parishioner male, some widows is mentioned of full age by stated name even if they were too poor to pay-Their name is mentioned Example : Joe Blogg being poor paid 0.00
Yet John Hood is not mentioned as a parishioner of Selby parish C of E in the overseers, constables or church wardens collection monies books
Therefore a Selby dissident or from another parish if C of E
Selby Navigation company name pops up in then book links I posted _ Was they a Ship buildering company or canal builders.
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Thanks dobfarm
That point you make about John Hood of Selby, Mariner [ex Scarborough married to Widow Elizabeth Leppington, nee Spencer, first], with a possible second Parish [residence] somewhere is a feasible one.
We found 4 or 5 John Hoods linked to Scarborough (in Marriages), four Mariners and likely sailing out of Scarborough 18th Century.
This could likely account for him meeting Jane (buried as Jane Hood, 1803 at Selby).
We looked separately around Selby Abbey Churchyard, but no grave.
We'll come to Yorkshire again, I've got a few things to check at Northallerton, Wakefield, Beverley, Pearson Papers at Doncaster etc., and the Manor records to finish off.
Some HOODs at Scarborough must show up in East Riding Property Deed Registrations at Beverley, even if they only occupied Wharfs and property. The 18th Century Scarborough HOOD and SPENCER Wills (York Registries) don't help.
There is possibly a HOOD Scarborough to Tynemouth / Shields connection too and to London and Inverness. Gateshead was also on the South Shore of the Tyne and sheltered, from the sea. Also a Master called John Hood from Inverness was at the Quayside, whilst the Mary of Inverness, vessel was up for sale.
The JOHN HOOD 1778 with William BROOKE, Agent at Selby was sailing to PERKINS and ROBINSON Gun and Shot Wharfe, Southwark, London. If the Selby Quakers knew my mystery George Hood had this background, with contacts and saw his moderate success, they'd be interested in like minded business people.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089
The Wm Hood of Bristol was a Merchant and I suspect the Quakers were all over him too. No Will, but there is an Admin in the Bristol Court, which the Archives hold on film, but not listed on their web site.
Thinking my George HOOD - "NOT IN MEMBERSHIP" burial and that of most of his family is a kind of thank you, from the Quakers.
I have come across a reference that Quakers could team up with a Non-Quaker if it furthered their own businesses and for income generating which ultimately benefitted their Meetings and Meeting places too. I am quite surprised, I always thought of them as introverted. Also Quakers didn't like Members who went bankrupt due to foolishness. Seems Quakers rescued some of their own too.
Sarah Russell (who appears to have a humble descent) had some influential and moderately successful and successful town contacts through that Selby Ship Yard. Got a feeling her so called Labourer ancestry was more of a Farming ancestry. A Russell was farming the nearby Manor, when the trees were offered for sale about 1810 ish.
Thomas Gouldsbrough's Will, reply 8 & 9
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770770.msg6236112#msg6236112
In the 1830s two Selby Bankers (who drew against London Banks) went bust, plus the Nicholson v. Nicholson case and Lord Petre putting a huge amount of property on the market in 1835, I think the businessmen of Selby put together a package, to stop the bottom falling out of the property and also acquire a property at a reasonable price, this would slow up a recession.
Mark
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Bottom line
Was George Hood 1785/7 in the missing Presbyterian birth 1707 to 1796 and John Hood not paying to Selby Parish poor relief = could have been Presbyterian 1778ish to 1819 Selby father of George and just possible Jane Hood buried 1803 Selby George's mother
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Bottom line
Was George Hood 1785/7 in the missing Presbyterian birth 1707 to 1796 and John Hood not paying to Selby Parish poor relief = could have been Presbyterian 1778ish to 1819 Selby father of George and just possible Jane Hood buried 1803 Selby George's mother
Early Selby Churches and Chapels (Mountain 1800)
Selby Abbey Church
Presbyterian Chapel, Millgate, rebuilt about the year 1690.
Quaker Meeting House, Gowthorp, errected about the year 1784.
Methodist Meeting House in Millgate, errected about the year 1785.
About 1780s
Catholics Meeting in the Steward's House of the Manor of Selby.
According to Mountain's book there is also the possibility of George being Methodist - No early records (at TNA)
"Mrs Beatrix Bacon in 1690 devised land in the Parishes of Thorpe and Brayton, the income from which has formed the endowment for the Presbyterian Chapel in Millgate ever since that date. About that time they intermarried with another Selby family named Morritt. Bacon Morritt died in 1751, and his namesake and successor in 1775. The two families were, perhaps, the most influential in the town in their day. The Morritts became large landowners at Cawood and Ryther. Mr. Bacon Morritt was also the owner of the Manor of Bowthorpe, in the Parish of Hemingbrough, and devised £5,000 each to his five Daughters. The sisters lived at York, and were famous for their skill in needlework and their quaint dress and manners. For Anne Eliza, who was buried at Selby in 1797, the poet Mason wrote a poetical epitaph, in which he praises the skill of her pencil. Their nephew, the best-known representative of the family, was John Bacon Sawrey Morritt of Rokeby, the friend and correspondent of Sir Walter Scott, to whom his poem of 'Rokeby' is inscribed."
Also mentioned in the attachment was John Foster of The Quay, Selby, Merchant, also a Merchant, Ship Builder in Ousegate and brewer, occupying the Brewery in Abbey Kiln.
Part of the article attached here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6287970#msg6287970
Presbyterian ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ph_egRfH50IC&pg=PA231&lpg=PA231&dq=Selby+Presbyterian+rebuilt&source=bl&ots=k4bRsQWL-D&sig=ASr7zjan01qz7328EynTB7XEgZ4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuoJv449zXAhXlAsAKHfmYAbwQ6AEIIzAC
Google result, can't access and check source ...
Mr. Wesley's Visits to Selby, A.D. 1759 and 1788.
Mark
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John Hood & Jane
The Gael form of the name JANE, is Shena.
Gael, an Ethnic Group in Scotland; Ireland and the Isle of Man.
Jane also Joan / Joanna / Jehane / Janey.
Mark
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John Hood & Jane
The Gael form of the name JANE, is Shena.
Gael, an Ethnic Group in Scotland; Ireland and the Isle of Man.
Jane also Joan / Joanna / Jehane / Janey.
Mark
Jenet fem. Jennet Gennet Iennet Diminutives of Jane or Jean sometimes used independently
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oel/givennames2.html
Gane Lane Layne Jayne La'net Ja'net
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https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/8d942fd9-4c43-3d95-b482-1c3beb38152b
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https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/8d942fd9-4c43-3d95-b482-1c3beb38152b
Thank you
We had already made a start with the first Manor of Selby Court Roll, 1815 to c.1842, discovering more about the Copyhold transfer of Byefield, Selby, to the Hoods.
Discovered that George Hood, Jun'r, was a Juror on the Manor of Selby Court 1850s.
The Archivist has found the preceding Court Roll, albeit with a slightly different title, we aim to go back.
It is reported by the newspaper that John Hood (my 3 x Great Grandfather) was one of those named who raised their glasses to toast Lord and Lady Londesborough, to show their appreciation to the Londesboroughs for their treatment of the Selby Tenantry.
Recently I found a very brief 1870 piece that the town of Selby were surprised to learn of the sudden death of William Hood.
The Quakers even read out Sarah Hood's passing (nee Russell) in early 1880 at a Quarterly Meeting in York (dated) and that they had buried Sarah Hood in 1879 at Selby, her age, Widow of George Hood. But Sarah Hood wasn't even a Quaker!
Quite amazing what has been found 1812 to 1894 about my Hoods at Selby.
Mark
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Selby of old, was one of the few places where the majority could sign their own name. An indication of teaching by the Non-conformists, Quakers and as dobfarm points out the Parish and Charities (in the link).
There you are Goughy you bright sparks! ;D
Bright sparks eh - shame I'm from t'other side o t'river - an East Riding country bumpkin :)
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Selby of old, was one of the few places where the majority could sign their own name. An indication of teaching by the Non-conformists, Quakers and as dobfarm points out the Parish and Charities (in the link).
There you are Goughy you bright sparks! ;D
Bright sparks eh - shame I'm from t'other side o t'river - an East Riding country bumpkin :)
I'm sure George Hood's past will shine, can you see thy feet sticking out thee haystack :o ?
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"Mrs Beatrix Bacon in 1690 devised land in the Parishes of Thorpe and Brayton, the income from which has formed the endowment for the Presbyterian Chapel in Millgate ever since that date. About that time they intermarried with another Selby family named Morritt. Bacon Morritt died in 1751, and his namesake and successor in 1775. The two families were, perhaps, the most influential in the town in their day. The Morritts became large landowners at Cawood and Ryther. Mr. Bacon Morritt was also the owner of the Manor of Bowthorpe, in the Parish of Hemingbrough, and devised £5,000 each to his five Daughters. The sisters lived at York, and were famous for their skill in needlework and their quaint dress and manners. For Anne Eliza, who was buried at Selby in 1797, the poet Mason wrote a poetical epitaph, in which he praises the skill of her pencil. Their nephew, the best-known representative of the family, was John Bacon Sawrey Morritt of Rokeby, the friend and correspondent of Sir Walter Scott, to whom his poem of 'Rokeby' is inscribed."
Beatrix Bacon was a Presbyterian.
Extract quote from Goughy
Burial
Henry Bacon of Selby Surgeon and Apothecary son of John Bacon of Selby Tanner by Hannah his wife daugh of Mr Hood of Selby aforesaid Surgeon 17 September (1785) in Selby Church aged 60
14th March 1727
Probate of the Will of Roger Hood of Selby
In the name of God Amen I Roger Hood of Selby being weak of Body but of perfect understanding Do make this my last Will and Testament – in manner and form following (Viz.) … I give o’in manner following first I give to my Brother Nathaniel Hood, my Sister Eliz: Middleton & my sister Ann Todd my dwelling house and orchard & appurts thereunto belonging to be equally divided among o’in & Do hereby give and bequeath each of ye above mentioned p’ties an equal share in ye above mentioned house and orchard lyeing or being in Ouzegate I give also to Mr John Mush & Ann Barker liveing in Wren Lane five pounds in Trust for the only use & benefit of my Nephew German Camp to be given to him in such way & proportions as the abovementioned Mr Mush & Ann Barker shall see and think proper to give him I also give to my Nephew
German Camp the Bed and Appurts belonging to him standing in the Chamber I also give to my two Neeces Sarah and Mary Camp all the wearing apparrele linnen & wooling belonging to my Late wife Except the Cloak w’ch I give to my sister Middleton. Lastly I appoint my Brother Nathaniel Hood my Sister Middleton & my Sister Todd Exe’trs of this my Last Will & Testam’t. I give o’in all my goods & Chattells debts & Creditts my Legacys debts and funeral Expenses being first discharged In Witness whereof I set my hand & Seal this 14th March 1727/8 Roger Hood. Witness Geo: Hutchinson, Peter Leaper Ann Nutt. [sic].
Roger Hood was buried Selby 18 March 1728.
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John Mush of Selby was Presbyterian.
Possibly Roger Hood of Selby had Presbyterian links too?
Hannah Hood the Daughter of Mr Hood, the Surgeon of Selby, married a Bacon.
The Hoods at Selby then seem to disappear mid 18th Century at Selby. But I'm wondering to myself, were some of the Hoods in Nonconformist Registers, now missing.
I have notes on the late 18th Century Bacon Wills / Admins.
Mark
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Deleted and altered
John Hood of Selby, Mariner
Charles Turner the Son, of John Hood's Landlord John Turner appears to be linked to Wesleyan Methodism at Selby.
The 1792 Will of Charles Turner is witnessed by Jno Clark and Jno Woodcock, two surnames that also appear together in George Hood's purchase of Gowthorpe Selby.
1789 Jno Turner in the Selby Land Tax Occupies a "Chapel" Lands off Cow Lane, Selby, Cofsley Closes or Cossley Closes, then in 1790 "Chapel" "Late Turner". Also John Hood's Proprietor at Selby has changed from L[ate] T[urner] to Jno Spencer in 1790.
Extracts of images ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6174156#msg6174156
John Turner is buried at Selby 1792, died of decay.
Charles Turner, Son of John Turner was buried shortly after.
Cow Lane, Selby, also looks to be called Flaxley Road ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748511.msg5961578#msg5961578
Found this on Rootsweb
I believe that Jonathan ROBINSON took over the farm from Thomas ROBINSON, who may have been his brother...
Although there's no listing for Jonathan on the IGI, I found some cached information on Jonathan of Pallathorpe, which is no longer on the Net. Jonathan and several others were involved in the Wesleyan movement later on:
Extract from 'Notices of Wesleyan Methodism in Selby 1744-1892' published 1892
The Millgate Chapel
In 1786 the infant Society had gathered strength enough to purchase a site for a Chapel when, for the consideration of £110, Charles TURNER and his wife transferred on 5th April 1786 a house in Millgate to Alexander MATHER, of the City of York, gentleman.
On the 9th October, in the same year, Alexander Mather transferred the property by deed to the following trustees:
Thomas DODGSON, miller; Thomas ROBINSON, common brewer; and Alban HOLMES, apothecary, all of Tadcaster.
Jonathan ROBINSON of Pallathorpe, Yorkshire; Richard WILKINSON of Oxton; Matthew SKILBECK of Healaugh; John CORNER of Acaster; Robert BIRDSALL and William ALLEN of Church Fenton; John DUNN of Barlby; and Christopher OBEE of Selby - all described as yeomen.'
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Good Morning
I am not saying that John Hood of Selby was related to John Turner or his Son Charles Turner of the 1780s (who both seem to have been buried at Selby 1792).
But that, John Hood of Selby, could have attended his Landlord's Chapel, in Cow Lane, Selby, in the 1780s, around the time of George Hood's Birth?
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Later in the 1800 Selby Land Tax (p.33), it was Jno Armstrong, at the same Chapel.
Mark
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Good Morning
I am not saying that John Hood of Selby was related to John Turner or his Son Charles Turner of the 1780s (who both seem to have been buried at Selby 1792).
But that, John Hood of Selby, could have attended his Landlord's Chapel, in Cow Lane, Selby, in the 1780s, around the time of George Hood's Birth?
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Later in the 1800 Selby Land Tax (p.33), it was Jno Armstrong, at the same Chapel.
Mark
Good Morning
Re: 1789 Chapel - Jno Turner (also John Hood's Landlord) - both John Turner disappear in 1790 Selby Land Tax
Later on in the Selby Land Tax 1800 Jno Armstrong is at "Chapel" (folio 33) under Land Adjoining Cow Lane &c. (title on folio 22).
In 1809 the Chapel - J. Armstrong is under Lands in Brayton Liberty (folio 23) of the Selby Land Tax.
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Seems the Chapel is in the Parish of Brayton and the reference to Cow Lane &c. is misleading.
Also been fortunate to find John Turner in the Hemp & Flax lists (1790 / 1791) even giving Cosey Close (Cofsley Close in Land Tax), suggesting the Chapel was in the Parish of Brayton, perhaps even at Hambleton?
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Wondering which denomination the 1789 "Chapel Jno Turner", belongs to?
Mark
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Hi
I have a Will of John Turner of Hambleton dated 1738, he is possibly John Turners father or grandfather. He bequeathes to his son George Turner and to his heirs forever 'one close of meadow or pasture ground lying in the Lordship of Hambleton aforesaid or known by the name of ( it looks like) Cansey Close'. - wonder if it's the same place ?
Looking back at the posts, Christopher Obee was one of the trustees named in a property transference. Christopher Obee & his family were Wesleyan Methodists. When Obee married, one of the witnesses was Benjamin Hemingway - isn't he also listed as being at that chapel ?
Claire
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In the Will the meadow or close is 'copyhold'. In the same Will he leaves to his wife Dorathy one freehold close known as Cansey or Westhag Close. This was also left to his son George. If George should die then his grandson John Turner would receive the land.
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Hi
I have a Will of John Turner of Hambleton dated 1738, he is possibly John Turners father or grandfather. He bequeathes to his son George Turner and to his heirs forever 'one close of meadow or pasture ground lying in the Lordship of Hambleton aforesaid or known by the name of ( it looks like) Cansey Close'. - wonder if it's the same place ?
Looking back at the posts, Christopher Obee was one of the trustees named in a property transference. Christopher Obee & his family were Wesleyan Methodists. When Obee married, one of the witnesses was Benjamin Hemingway - isn't he also listed as being at that chapel ?
Claire
Hello
Thanks Claire
Very good finds.
Yes Jno Turner, with Ben Hemingway underneath are listed Chapel in 1789, see the first image in my last post.
I am certain that Jno Turner listed under Chapel in 1789 (Selby Land Tax) disappears at the same time as John Hood's Landlord Jno Turner does in the 1789 Selby Land Tax (following the pages through from 1786).
Claire reply below - by going back in the Selby Land Tax to 1781 it was a Presbyterian Chapel - Jno Turner.
Also read that the Parish Church could refuse to bury, where there was no baptism, or only offer a burial plot against the Parish Churchyard (Cemetery) Boundary wall.
Possibly might explain the Quakers burying George Hood as "Not in Membership", if he was Nonconformist and had good dealings with the Quakers.
A family friend has said his Father had to trace their Nonconformist family in the Dr Williams Library.
Mark
ADDED: both parts (together) of the 1791 Hemp & Flax lists Hambleton
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In 1778 John Turner of Hambleton left Westhag and Cansey Close to his only son John Turner.
Claire
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In Selby on the 17 Feb. 1765 a John TURNER married an Ann RUSSEL by licence.
Witnessed by a Joseph & Ann Morley.
Is she any relation to your Russels ?
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In Selby on the 17 Feb. 1765 a John TURNER married an Ann RUSSEL by licence.
Witnessed by a Joseph & Ann Morley.
Is she any relation to your Russels ?
Hello
Thanks Claire. Made me wonder too, if Ann Russel in the John Turner = Ann Russel marriage, links to my Sarah Russell who married George Hood in 1815?
There is a definite link 1786 Jno Turner (Proprietor) and Hood (Occupier) at Selby.
1790 it says "LT Jno Spencer" (Proprietor) and John Hood (Occupier). LT likely Late Turner.
And the same Jno Turner to that Chapel 1789 (1790 Late Turner), Chapel possibly Nonconformist (Wesleyan Methodist). 1781 Land Tax says:- Presbyterian Chapel - Jno Turner
Mark
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John & Ann Turner nee Russel had a son William, he married in Selby 1791. From the baptism of one of his children it says Ann was the daughter of Benjamin Russel of Selby innkeeper.
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Thanks Claire
Not directly related? Mark
Dobfarm's post, bottom of page 11 (George Hood Burial Where thread Part 2)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742805.msg5843362#msg5843362
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I think Ann Russel may have been Sarah Russel's Gt Aunt
Ann's father Benjamin Russel married Mary Sykes 1723 in Northallerton. Numerous children born in Selby. Including Ann 1741 and JOHN bn c1724.
John Russel married Martha in Drax 1754 and had son William 1762.
William Russel married Mary Burton and had Sarah born 1793 Selby
Great Aunt by my reckoning :)
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In Selby on the 17 Feb. 1765 a John TURNER married an Ann RUSSEL by licence.
Witnessed by a Joseph & Ann Morley.
Is she any relation to your Russels ?
John & Ann Turner nee Russel had a son William, he married in Selby 1791. From the baptism of one of his children it says Ann was the daughter of Benjamin Russel of Selby innkeeper.
In 1778 John Turner of Hambleton left Westhag and Cansey Close to his only son John Turner.
Claire
So John Turner's Son also called John Turner (above), was the Proprietor of the house where John Hood of Selby lived in 1789.
I think Ann Russel may have been Sarah Russel's Gt Aunt
Ann's father Benjamin Russel married Mary Sykes 1723 in Northallerton. Numerous children born in Selby. Including Ann 1741 and JOHN bn c1724.
John Russel married Martha in Drax 1754 and had son William 1762.
William Russel married Mary Burton and had Sarah born 1793 Selby
Great Aunt by my reckoning :)
And the two John Turners, one by marriage to Ann Russell, are linked to Sarah Russell who married George Hood of Selby 1815.
Seems the links, John Hood of Selby, Mariner (via his Landlord / Proprietor Jno Turner, also of the Chapel ), to the Russells, has suddenly got a bit closer to George Hood of Selby.
Several visits to Archives now and I hope to get a result.
Mark
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And the same Jno Turner to that Chapel 1789 (1790 Late Turner), Chapel possibly Nonconformist (Wesleyan Methodist).
From the 1781 Land Tax records for Selby - Jno Turner - PRESBYTERIAN Chapel.
claire
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And the same Jno Turner to that Chapel 1789 (1790 Late Turner), Chapel possibly Nonconformist (Wesleyan Methodist).
From the 1781 Land Tax records for Selby - Jno Turner - PRESBYTERIAN Chapel.
claire
Good Morning
Thanks Claire
Archbishop Drummond's Visitation 1764 (reference to Brayton and John Smith, Jun'r at Hambleton - Methodists and at Barlow a Chapel of Mr Hook of Carlton, near Snaith). Services alternating between Selby and Brayton.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5C5JxqzNpZ4C&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=Presbyterian+brayton&source=bl&ots=xiaIqYYQE9&sig=b7XRcVymuqh-rd4qQcRRPuxMF8U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinnL2KsPfXAhVOyKQKHclSCc84BRDoAQgKMAI
Mark
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Hi
I have a Will of John Turner of Hambleton dated 1738, he is possibly John Turners father or grandfather. He bequeathes to his son George Turner and to his heirs forever 'one close of meadow or pasture ground lying in the Lordship of Hambleton aforesaid or known by the name of ( it looks like) Cansey Close'. - wonder if it's the same place ?
Looking back at the posts, Christopher Obee was one of the trustees named in a property transference. Christopher Obee & his family were Wesleyan Methodists. When Obee married, one of the witnesses was Benjamin Hemingway - isn't he also listed as being at that chapel ?
Claire
Hello
Claire, please can you elaborate on the bit highlighted bold?
Somewhere, (even searched my pc etc.), I don't know where, I have read that a house of John Turner's in Millgate, Selby, transferred to the Trustees circa 1785 and this became the first Wesleyan Meeting House at Selby circa 1785.
Mountain's History of Selby, 1800
Methodist Meeting House in Millgate, errected about the year 1785.
John Adams another name connected to the infamous George Hood used the old Wesleyan Methodist Chapel as a Flax warehouse afterward.
The Hon. Edward Peters [Peters is an error, should be Hon Edward Petrie] of Stapleton Park, presented the Methodist Society at Selby with a piece of ground for the purpose of building a Chapel on the Wesleyan Plan - Hull Packet, 3rd December 1816
Mark
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Hi Mark,
You mentioned C Obee on reply #913 ( a few pages back)
Claire
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Found this on Rootsweb
I believe that Jonathan ROBINSON took over the farm from Thomas ROBINSON, who may have been his brother...
Although there's no listing for Jonathan on the IGI, I found some cached information on Jonathan of Pallathorpe, which is no longer on the Net. Jonathan and several others were involved in the Wesleyan movement later on:
Extract from 'Notices of Wesleyan Methodism in Selby 1744-1892' published 1892
The Millgate Chapel
In 1786 the infant Society had gathered strength enough to purchase a site for a Chapel when, for the consideration of £110, Charles TURNER and his wife transferred on 5th April 1786 a house in Millgate to Alexander MATHER, of the City of York, gentleman.
On the 9th October, in the same year, Alexander Mather transferred the property by deed to the following trustees:
Thomas DODGSON, miller; Thomas ROBINSON, common brewer; and Alban HOLMES, apothecary, all of Tadcaster.
Jonathan ROBINSON of Pallathorpe, Yorkshire; Richard WILKINSON of Oxton; Matthew SKILBECK of Healaugh; John CORNER of Acaster; Robert BIRDSALL and William ALLEN of Church Fenton; John DUNN of Barlby; and Christopher OBEE of Selby - all described as yeomen.'
Thanks Claire
I couldn't even remember posting it !
Presbyterian ; Wesleyan Methodists (History and Antiquities of Selby, Morrell 1867)
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/the_history_and_antiquities_of_selby.html?id=kKwTAAAAYAAJ&redir_esc=y
I should like to get my hands on ...
Notices of Wesleyan Methodism in Selby 1744-1892 published 1892
Searching for the above publication, at least one of the search returns might be corrupt, gives warning bleeps and wants you to click an update.
I never click these type of links.
Mark
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Some interesting replies in response to the names in the image regarding Selby Wesleyan Methodists.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6249901#msg6249901
The first Wesleyan Methodist Chapel was built in 1785 at Selby, but no records were kept of their efforts, according to Morrell's History and Antiquities of Selby (1867) page 263.
Also William Wilberforce Morrell (Wesleyan Methodist) married Jonathan Hutchinson's daughter Lydia Hutchinson (Quaker).
http://www.fachrs.com/private/Information/Bank%20Managers/YER001%20William%20Wilberforce%20Morrell%20combined2.pdf
Added: Just realised ...
The Son was John Bowes Morrell, who the J. B. Morrell Library at York University is named after. (NEXT to the Borthwick Institute).
Any surviving Morrell of Selby records might have been right under my nose!
Mark
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Hello
Might be nothing, but ...
William Brooke of Selby (Shipping Agent) was linked to Ship Master, John Hood, 1778.
1778 image ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089
Mary Brooke claimed to have married into the Firman's of Selby / Brayton (Mother of Brooke Firman).
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brooke-1763
Documents Acquired
Firman and Pearson of Selby (and Ireland) were Brothers ...
Will of Richard Peirson (alias Pearson) of Selby 7th June 1724 confirms his Brother was Thomas Firman.
also reference to Memorial Registered Wakefield 12 April 1733 EE page 596 et Numb 872.
PEARSON is a surname of interest.
Mark
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Wm White, 1837
Selby Alphabetical [Residents]
P.707 Hood Jno. Tanner, Gtp [could have own listing, whilst training to get his name known]
Trades Part
P.708
Brewers And Maltsters
Hood Geo. Wren Lane
P.710
Tanners
Hood Geo. Gowthorp
Jackson Mary, Gtp
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Some of George Hood's grandchildren (by James Hood, George Hood's son) carried surnames in their middle names, named after earlier generations.
One carried COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood), being named after ?
One carried WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood) linked to James wife Sarah - Sarah's side.
One carried RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah (Sarah Russell).
One carried ALFRED (James Alfred Hood) Alfred, either a surname or forename.
One carried ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel)
One carried PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood)
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This looks interesting
A George Hood Knottingley 1813 land tax. -- Property owner George Wilkinson.
Death cert
Possible father of John Jackson Shoemaker (Tanner/Leather worker) Beaghall (Beal) bapt 1761 dad William - John Jackson died 1838 aged 77 picking pears Beaghall (beal)
England Marriages, 1538–1973
birth:
1725
marriage:
2 June 1755
York, England
spouse:
Frances Barnard
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Frances Barnard 1725 1755 Ledsham Ledsham PC William
x x
William Jackson 1725 1755 Ledsham Ledsham PC Frances
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/yorkshire-archbishop-of-york-marriage-licences-index-1613-1839?firstname=william&firstname_variants=true&lastname=jackson&yearofbirth=1725&yearofbirth_offset=2&eventyear=1755&eventyear_offset=2
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records/yorkshire-archbishop-of-york-marriage-licences-index-1613-1839?firstname=frances&firstname_variants=true&lastname=barnard&eventyear=1755&eventyear_offset=2
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Hello Dave
Thanks. Don't quite follow yet.
The only thing I know about Mary JACKSON (retired Tanner 1851) of Gowthorpe, Selby, was that she was born GRANTHAM, Lincolnshire about 1786.
In 1861 her Daughter was Mary JACKSON, born ACKWORTH, Yorkshire, living with her, at Gowthorpe, Selby.
In 1861 Sarah HOOD, Tanner, age 41, Widow, born Selby, was living adjacent to Mary Jackson and her Daughter, Mary Jackson.
Mark
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Hello Dave
Thanks. Don't quite follow yet.
The only thing I know about Mary JACKSON (retired Tanner 1851) of Gowthorpe, Selby, was that she was born GRANTHAM, Lincolnshire about 1786.
In 1861 her Daughter was Mary JACKSON, born ACKWORTH, Yorkshire, living with her, at Gowthorpe, Selby.
In 1861 Sarah HOOD, Tanner, age 41, Widow, born Selby, was living adjacent to Mary Jackson and her Daughter, Mary Jackson.
Mark
Jackson Tanners Selby
Baines's Directory and Gazetteer Directory of 1822.
Tanners and Leather Dressers,
•Hartley John, Gowthorpe
•Jackson Richard, Gowthorpe
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Pigot's Directory of 1829
Tanners,
•Hartley John, Gowthorpe
•Jackson John, Gowthorpe
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Can't help much but the Richard Jackson tanner of Gowthorpe was the husband of Mary Jackson, I recall he was born in the Ackworth area.
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George Jackson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
30 September 1787
KIPPAX, YORK, ENGLAND
mother:
Mary Jackson father ?
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Possible marriage of a Mary Jackson in Kippax 1797 to a Samuel Taylor.
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Hello
Might be nothing, but ...
William Brooke of Selby (Shipping Agent) was linked to Ship Master, John Hood, 1778.
1778 image ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089
Mary Brooke claimed to have married into the Firman's of Selby / Brayton (Mother of Brooke Firman).
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brooke-1763
Documents Acquired
Firman and Pearson of Selby (and Ireland) were Brothers ...
Will of Richard Peirson (alias Pearson) of Selby 7th June 1724 confirms his Brother was Thomas Firman.
also reference to Memorial Registered Wakefield 12 April 1733 EE page 596 et Numb 872.
PEARSON is a surname of interest.
Mark
1) Edward Hopper Hebden (Henry COOKE being dead) by direction of Theodosia Brooke of Gateforth House, parish Brayton spinster (only surviving daughter and executor of Humphrey Osbaldeston deceased) 2) Bertram Osbaldeston Mitford of Mitford Castle and Hunmanby esquire For £1600 to [?] 1840
References to:-
Ralph Creyke buried at Bridlington 30 May 1826
Henry COOKE buried at Wold Newton 20 Jul 1831
The BROOKE Family of Gateforth House, Selby (also listed as Gateforth House Brayton); Burton Hall and Hunmanby, all County of York, (who took the surname Osbaldeston about 1770 by inheritance) had married into the PIERSON / PEARSON Family of Selby (Pearson - Firman of Ireland) and also appear to link to a Henry COOKE.
Claire informs me that a Brooke of Gateforth, Will refers to a Yard and Appurtenances on the River Thames.
In the 1791 British Universal Directory Volume 1 (London, Westminster and Southwark) there was a BROOKE's WHARF, near Queenhithe. Operated by Godfrey, Wilson, and Son.
Mark
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First name could be a surname- James or Bernard or Alfred or Williams or George
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBCQ-S9K
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Some of George Hood's grandchildren (by James Hood, George Hood's son) carried surnames in their middle names, named after earlier generations.
One carried COOK (Elizabeth Cook Hood), being named after ?
One carried WILKINSON (John Wilkinson Hood) linked to James wife Sarah - Sarah's side.
One carried RUSSELL (William Russell Hood), being the maiden surname of George Hood's wife, Sarah (Sarah Russell).
One carried ALFRED (James Alfred Hood) Alfred, either a surname or forename.
One carried ARUNDEL (George Arundel Hood), being James Hood's wife Sarah Hood (nee Arundel)
One carried PEARSON (Bernard Pearson Hood)
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Baptism
Frances Bernard
7 October 1724
Wistow, Yorkshire
Dad-Joseph Bernard
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William Jackson birth 1725 X Frances Barnard birth 1725 married 2 June 1755 Ledsham Yorkshire by Licence
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Thank you for the replies
I have found quite a few PEARSON Wesleyan Methodists in England in the newspapers, in the first half of the 19th Century. Here are those Pearsons relating to Yorkshire. Have not checked Presbyterian / Unitarian yet.
The late Rev. John Pearson was born at Moorhouse, near Hovingham, Yorkshire, on the 1st April 1782. His parents being members of the Methodist Society
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pk5KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA436&lpg=PA436&dq=%22Rev.+John+Pearson%22+Hull+Wesleyan&source=bl&ots=sf7VK0gLpv&sig=nz9FzNbGBfpQAKknc6b9twuygvE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwie0MSE8pbYAhUJLcAKHe5DBCEQ6AEIOzAI#v=onepage&q=%22Rev.%20John%20Pearson%22%20Hull%20Wesleyan&f=false
Died near Brigg, at Barnetby September 1823.
Notice published September 1836
MARRIAGES.
Sept. 15, at St. Mary’s, Bishophill-the-Elder, York, by the Rev. Mr Marsden, Mr John Shaftoe, Stonemason, to Miss Ann Pearson, eldest daughter of Mr Thos. Pearson, of Albion street, and sister to the Rev. Thos. Pearson, Wesleyan Missionary, all of York.
October 1839
DEATHS.
On Wednesday, the 9th inst. after a few days illness, aged 57, Sarah, relict of the late Rev. John Pearson, Wesleyan minister.
Oct. 9, at Hull, after a few days illness, aged 57, Sarah, relict of the Rev. John Pearson, Wesleyan Minister.
Notice published September 1840
DEATHS.
On Thursday week, at Grimsby, Wm. Barnard, son of the Rev. W. Pearson, Wesleyan minister, aged 25.
Notice published May 1843 (under Lincoln, in the Stamford newspaper)
MARRIAGES.
On Tuesday last, at Sculcoates church, Mr John Pearson, of York, eldest son of the late Rev. John Pearson, Wesleyan minister, to Martha youngest daughter of Mr James Shepherd, of Hull.
June 1847
Milford, Near Ferrybridge. – The thirteenth anniversary of the Wesleyan Methodist Sunday School was held on the 9th inst., … When the tea was cleared the scholars and friends proceeded to the chapel, where they were addressed by the Rev. J Pearson, of Selby ; Mr. Rodger, teacher of the Selby Day School ; Mr Rhoder, Leeds ; Mr Scholefield, Mr Duke, and other friends. … .
Note made: A John Rodger was a witness at Maudland Hood’s Wedding at Selby in 1794.
Mark
Ministers names only
http://www.mywesleyanmethodists.org.uk/category/a_to_z_of_ministers
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Hi Everyone
The Rev. John Pearson died on the 16th September 1823 aged 41 years, his Gravestone notes he was a Minister with the Wesleyan Connexion
Buried in the burial ground at St Mary's in the parish of Barnetby Le Wold on the 19th September 1823.
His residence was at Brigg.
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Interesting that the Methodist Church in Brigg today which was founded in 1963 and was built on BARNARD Avenue /Wesley Road.
Wonder if Barnard was someone in the Methodist world back then ?
The baptism of William BERNARD Pearson was in Northamptonshire 5 Mar 1816 ( born on 29 Oct 1814) son of William and Elizabeth, father a minister.
I can see two other children born to this couple, Rachel bapt. 1828 and Theophilus born 1825 bapt. 1827 in Market Rasen where they were living.
Claire
Claire
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Hi Everyone
The Rev. John Pearson died on the 16th September 1823 aged 41 years, his Gravestone notes he was a Minister with the Wesleyan Connexion
Buried in the burial ground at St Mary's in the parish of Barnetby Le Wold on the 19th September 1823.
His residence was at Brigg.
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Interesting that the Methodist Church in Brigg today which was founded in 1963 and was built on BARNARD Avenue /Wesley Road.
Wonder if Barnard was someone in the Methodist world back then ?
The baptism of William BERNARD Pearson was in Northamptonshire 5 Mar 1816 ( born on 29 Oct 1814) son of William and Elizabeth, father a minister.
I can see two other children born to this couple, Rachel bapt. 1828 and Theophilus born 1825 bapt. 1827 in Market Rasen where they were living.
Claire
The late Rev. John Pearson was born at Moorhouse, near Hovingham, Yorkshire, on the 1st April 1782. His parents being members of the Methodist Society
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pk5KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA436&lpg=PA436&dq=%22Rev.+John+Pearson%22+Hull+Wesleyan&source=bl&ots=sf7VK0gLpv&sig=nz9FzNbGBfpQAKknc6b9twuygvE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwie0MSE8pbYAhUJLcAKHe5DBCEQ6AEIOzAI#v=onepage&q=%22Rev.%20John%20Pearson%22%20Hull%20Wesleyan&f=false
Died near Brigg, at Barnetby September 1823.
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Thank you, great spot!
William Bernard PEARSON is recorded Wesleyan
WESLEYAN, DAVENTRY, Northamptonshire (Northants)
Born 29 October 1814
Bapt. 5 March 1815
Father Wm Pearson and Mother Elizth
BERNARD PEARSON HOOD born September 1870 at 16 Cross Street, Scarborough, Son of James Hood, Tallow Chandler and Sarah Hood, nee Arundel (Sarah Arundel was born & baptised Wesleyan at Selby, Yorkshire).
Wonder if the Daventry one, fits in?
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Also got this too ...
Notice published September 1840
DEATHS.
On Thursday week, at Grimsby, Wm. BARNARD, son of the Rev. W. PEARSON, Wesleyan minister, aged 25.
Mark
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Archbishop Thomson's Return of 1865. In the entry for Selby, the return estimates that three fifths of the religiously disposed were Dissenters of one form or another ...
By 1865 about 60% were estimated to be Dissenters at Selby.
That is bad news for the family historian, because many Dissenting Birth / Baptism Registers don't start until circa 1800 to 1820, but some of the original Dissenting Chapels and Meetings are older for those places.
I've got some records I want to come and see, so I'm hoping they'll confirm the origin of my ancestor!
Thank you, Mark
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Sarah's mother Sarah Hood Pearson maybe worth a look at or research her. ?
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Sarah's mother Sarah Hood Pearson maybe worth a look at or research her. ?
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EDIT: The Hoods at:-
Bardon Park, Leicestershire (had their own Chapel. Got their Tree, but not all their Tree relations might be listed) and
Hoods of Atherstone [North] Warwickshire were Clockmakers and Independents (N.C.)
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Hello dobfarm
Thank you very much, Sarah Daughter of Sarah Hood PEARSON of Atherstone, Warwickshire, (bapt. 1861) definitely worth me having a look at.
Mark
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For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
From Part 3 of the George Hood Burial where? ... thread (now completed)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.msg5964598#msg5964598
Quote from Goughy Reply #174 of 08 November 2015
Hi Mark
I thought it would be useful to just put down James and Sarah's family for "tracking purposes"
Mary Ellen Hood b Selby 1853
Elizabeth Cook Hood b Selby 1854
Adeline Hood b Selby 1855
Sarah Hood b Selby 1856
John Wilkinson Hood b Selby 1858
William Russell Hood b Selby 1861 [born 1860, registered 1861]
James Alfred Hood b Sunderland 1863
George Arundel Hood b 1865 Selby
Bernard Pearson Hood b 1870 Scarborough
In the 1871 Census, Mary Ellen Hood is staying with a Dobson family in Bowling, Bradford and is stated as "cousin". The head of household is Thomas Duckworth Dobson b 1829 Wakefield and his wife Mary Ann b 1833 London, Middlesex. Thomas Duckworth Dobson married Mary Ann Bateman in 1855 in Selby.
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Hello
In the Selby Wesleyan Register George Arundel was their "Society Steward".
I feel these unknown surnames mean something.
I'll try the Atherstone lot.
Need to see (c.1770 to c.1815) Manor of Selby records, (photos of the Manor of Selby Court Rolls from 1816 to c.1860s).
The holder of the Hood / Wren Lane Deeds, has read them, but they only list my George as George Hood of Selby which my copy Deed Memorial also says. There was no reference to a Mortgage.
Another option are the York, Cook(e) and Pearson Wills. Only a fraction of the Yorkshire Wills were scanned (the flat packed), by the pay per view site.
Looking at the surviving Pontefract Wesleyan Register (which covers Knottingley), one Birth / Baptism the parents were both listed, but apparently not married. Well the Parents had different surnames.
The Borthwick / Morrell Library don't have the book Notices of Wesleyan Methodism at Selby, written by Wm. Wilberforce Morrell, a Wesleyan Bank Manager married to a Quaker.
Mark
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Though there is a faint possibility George Hood birth /bapt 1786 +/- 2 years was in the missing Wesleyan registers in Selby, you seem to have exhausted the Quakers as his origins, also C of E, Scottish George Anglican bapts all around 1784 to 1788, you have virtually checked all known records in Yorkshire direct and indirect to Selby George.
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"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth"
Quote from ;- Sir: Arthur Conan Doyle
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which seems a classic case candidate here
Yet he still there - George Hood batized 1786 to father John Hood in Gateshead with this George having no records of an infant burial, under full age licence marriage or full adult age marriage or adult burial.
Food for thought :(
Merry Xmas All. :) :D :D :D
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Hi
Thanks dobfarm.
Think I have worked out the link to JACKSON (via Russell side). Thos Gouldsbrough of Selby (Shipyard) and his Father John Goldsbrough of Knottingley, Sailmaker, Will Proved 1809.
Also comments on page here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6012158#msg6012158
Find A Grave for John Gouldsbrough says ...
Death: Feb. 6, 1809. Husband of Jane died aged 75. Burial: St Botolph Churchyard Knottingley (not checked Register).
Quote from Curious Fox (online)
I am looking for any information on a JOHN GOLDSBOROUGH his wife JANE nee JACKSON and their family. John was married to Jane JACKSON on 23 June 1760ih Knottingley. ...
Been searching newspapers "Knotting" 1812 to 1814 and the "BETSY" was launched at Knottingley 1[3?]th November 1813 (In the 1814 Bankruptcy Notice of Richard Milbourn).
Obviously a Shipyard at Knottingley too.
There is a Notice printed 21st March 1812 (with reference to an Assignment) Wm Jackson of Knottingley Bankrupt / H. Towns of Pontefract, Solicitor for the Assignees. I will see what I can dig up.
Mark
Thanks Goughy and Claire
Incidentally if you find John Wilkinson in the 1841 Selby Census at the Ship Yard, you'll also find some other Wilkinsons, Batemans (a Mary Bateman ONLY 8 years old and described as being of IND[EPENDENT] means) and George Gouldsbrough, a Sailmaker all at the Ship Yard, Selby, adjacent on same 1841 Census page.
The Will of Thomas Gouldsbrough (died 1840) who was married to Mary Russell, Will extracts recently put on Rootschat indicated he also owned property and a Crane at the Ship Yard, Selby and also Dwellings at Knottingley. (John Goldsbrough, Sailmaker of Knottingley, 1809 Abstract of Will, refers to a Thos Goldsbrough £50, James Goldsbrough, Son of Knottingley the real estate at Knottingley and also others named).
Regarding the 1817 George Wilkinson burial, how long did George Wilkinson appear for as Proprietor, in the Knottingley Land Tax, after 1813?
Mark
For the purpose of elimination here's some surnames from Sarah's parentage (including step father Wilkinson)
Arundel - Grandparents: George ARUNDEL and Hannah EYRE
Grt grandparents: Joseph EYRE and Hannah PYGOT
Mathew ARUNDEL and Ann JACKSON
Wilkinson "step" grandparents Edward WILKINSON and Margaret TWIST
"gt grandparents John TWIST and Rebecca CRABTREE
William WILKINSON and Jane ??
and just to put James' parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
So...... the Cook and Pearson names are looking as though they are from GH's side of the family (unless they went totally off-piste!).
Naming children from grandparents, particularly female surnames, etc is quite common and still goes on today. Usually, the female surnames point research "in the right" direction, but hey ho in the case of GH who knows!!
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So that possibly eliminates the Jackson's
Therefore, until you have proven as eliminated once and for all its not your George Hood of Selby, (or accepted) being George Hood baptism 1786 Gateshead son of John Hood with the same intense offline archive or online research, you have done in Yorkshire and other counties for George Hood residing Selby 1812 to death in 1845 - birth estimate 1785 to 1788 from various religious events - your theories on middle names being surnames could be unfounded or complete waste of time or least work on both theories.
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm, I am continuing to consider both and any NEW evidence. Unfortunately the current evidence discussed at great length already, doesn't confirm which.
Very brief summary:-
a) that "George Hood of Selby" Marriage by Bond and Licence (Apparently resident so George could have married by Banns, or Banns read where he was living, suggesting Selby Parish Church was not his scene) and a Whitley man was prepared to go £200 surety, so Chester Newby knew George Hood very well and apparently have Cockin links too by Marriage). Also "both of that place" 1815 Marriage newspaper notice, that George may have no surviving birth/baptism record and might be the Son of John Hood of Selby, Mariner (formerly of Scarborough), who may have had George baptised at the place of birth, or may no longer be a C of E attender.
Newspaper entry attached here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777844.msg6316608#msg6316608
I have even got ten more Probates (post 1858) from gov.uk of my known Hood family lines, including those who died Scarborough, but none give away an unknown Hood, but only cement what is already known.
b) that against the 1841 Selby Census entry, saying George Hood, Brewer, born Yorkshire, that the 1841 Selby Census entry may be wrong and that George Hood was born out of County (or out of country even).
This includes another possibility that "George Hood of Selby", who took over Richard Gibson's Cooper business, might be related to Richard Gibson (who originated from Newcastle upon Tyne) and George might the Son from another John Hood (as John Hood signatures don't match) and Elis Gibson / Elizabeth Gibson Marriage, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Richard Gibsons, parentage
Claire, suggests that I need to find the actual Richard Gibson, Birth Register entry. Only the B.T.s are online and those B.T.s covering Richard Gibson birth year are missing. Now if a Newcastle area Register showed Richard Gibson's Mother was nee Pearson (all spellings) or Cook, that would begin to tip the balance.
Comment
Both John Hoods (Selby and Newcastle) are both credible, but neither are proved yet. I have both related sets of documents downloaded and Maudland Hood's Scarborough Baptism, from Beverley Archives.
I have written to Hong Kong University Special Collections, who have the Will in 'Deacons Archives' of Thomas Hood Bentley, believed to descend from John Hood & Elizabeth Gibson (not proven yet to link to my Hoods), their Daughter Elizabeth Hood, who married William Cook.
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I have found more references to my Hoods in the newspapers, but they only link to people I have already identified as my Hoods.
1881
In the Matter of Proceedings for Liquidation by Arrange-ment or Composition with Creditors, instituted by. Christopher Gibson Westley, of No. 24, Victoria-street, in the town of Northampton, Saddler and Harness ...
By 1892 it is all in the newspaper how he borrowed a sum of money from his Sister C. Hood of Kettering, that the Solicitor (not related) was running his own swindle (outside and separate of the Liquidation process) and this C. Hood should be my two times Gt. Grandmother Cecilia.
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Richard Taylor sent me information confirming the Mary Ellen Hood = Arthur Chapman, Marriage was at the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Selby in 1873.
My Grandfather was a Baptist, who married my Grandmother at a Wesleylan Methodist Chapel, one in my line was a C of E Minister. It seems all my Hoods were very mixed religiously.
There is a very strong possibility that my George Hood buried by the Quakers as "Not in Membership" was not C of E and George Hood nonconformist (earlier Selby dissenters records are missing for 1785-7), or his Father (who may be unknown) might be NC.
Forty Hood Wills (York, not online) seen, plus Newcastle Hood Wills, but only one Will links a George Hood (of Barnard Castle) to another Hood. No Wills link to one of the two credible John Hoods.
Mark
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Richard Gibsons, parentage
Claire, suggests that I need to find the actual Richard Gibson, Birth Register entry. Only the B.T.s are online and those B.T.s covering Richard Gibson birth year are missing. Now if a Newcastle area Register showed Richard Gibson's Mother was nee Pearson (all spellings) or Cook, that would begin to tip the balance.
Happy New Year All
I know I've not been greatly active for a while, although still following and chipping-in occasionally, from the Selby Dade Register of the baptism of Richard Gibson's children, Richard's mother was ELIZABETH BROWN - or have I missed something in one of the posts....
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b) that against the 1841 Selby Census entry, saying George Hood, Brewer, born Yorkshire, that the 1841 Selby Census entry may be wrong and that George Hood was born out of County (or out of country even).
This includes another possibility that "George Hood of Selby", who took over Richard Gibson's Cooper business, might be related to Richard Gibson (who originated from Newcastle upon Tyne) and George might the Son from another John Hood (as John Hood signatures don't match) and Elis Gibson / Elizabeth Gibson Marriage, Newcastle upon Tyne.
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What we know, is George Hood father John Hood 1786 Gateshead Parish baptism - There is only one baptism 5 +/- years or before and after 1786 by John Hood in Gatesshead. (Possible dad John Hood publican in Gateshead Ship Inn.) This John could have been journeyman stand in Publican. Brewing and Publican as associated to one trade Booze - or - cooper - keeper of wines or beer casks while maturing.
Records of this nature are the ones to investigate.
While other publicans and innkeepers in trade directories are consistent in Gateshead over many a year, this John Hood publican of the Ship Inn Gateshead appeared once in directories that fits with one baptism entry. Thus suggests this John Hood publican was on the move over in the short term in years.
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My Great granddad was a Publican in Beal (Beaghall) village near Knottingley, Yorkshire, he came from being an innkeeper in Peakirk Northamptonshire, also born there, and married in Knottingley, later they moved to a pub at Bramley Leeds, then finally rooted down in the New Inn pub. Huddersfield.
Thus could above John Hood publican have done similar.
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Thank you.
We now know the Selby Baptism Registers of Presbyterian, Wesleyan Methodist and any Independents are missing for 1785 -1787.
John Hood of Selby is a Tenant of John Turner and the same John Turner of Selby has Presbyterian Chapel links 1781.
A big question for me is George Hood's Bondsman - Chester Newby, baptised Whitley / Kellington 1790 who was prepared to go £200 Surety, when George Hood could simply have given a week's notice and then had the Banns read in the Parish Church, three Sundays in a row. Because of the two months gap they were not marrying in a hurry either.
Excepting Royalty, Quakers and Jews, the Law required everyone else to marry in the Parish Church, so NC were forced to at least marry in the Parish Church.
a) was it because George Hood was a local Nonconformist (and being local also knew Chester Newby of Selby, Miller very well) and Hood's views were so staunch that he refused to have the Banns read in Selby Church, thereby keeping his contact with the Church to a bare minimum, regarding the wedding?
b) or was it the Newby - Golton link and the Richard Golten (Witness) at Richard Gibson's wedding, suggesting a link to Richard Gibson, that reassured Chester Newby, he was okay to make a Bond of £200 surety?
Just thought, I wonder if Richard Golten / Golton, Will, might make a link?
Mark
Hi
Cockins of Luddington Lincs, have been touched on before by Jomot, but maybe worth a second look.
In trying to find something about the Thomas C in your post I came across this marriage by Licence.
Thomas Cockin (aged 24 and of Luddington, Lincs.) and Margrit CHESTER (18 a minor of Hatfield) married at Hatfield 17 Aug. 1796
Both signed
Witnesses: Mary Hutton, Thomas Chester and Robt. Cockin
Wonder if there is a family link with Chester Newby's mother Hannah Newby nee Chester ?
If the burial of Hannah I've found is the correct one in 1839, her entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY of Carlton, Snaith Yorks. .... Wm Mitton, Stamford Lincoln.
William Mitton bn Snaith 1789 son of Henry & Mary Mitton nee Eadon.
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When Richard Gibson married Eleanor Wainwright in 1792 one of the witnesses was a RICHARD GOLTON a tailor ( son of a Richard Golton of Wistow). Richard Golton (the witness) had a son Richard in 1779 who married an Elizabeth Perkin ( father Thomas Perkin of Berwick) c1803.
In 1812 Richard GOULTON bn 1779 was buried in Selby , a ELIZABETH GOLTON a widow married CHESTER NEWBY 1814
claire
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On George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bond, it was signed by:-
George Hood and Chester Newby of Selby, a miller.
Earlier reply #160 from Goughy 26 October 2015
Chester Newby
Born in Whitley Bridge 1790 Parents Thomas and Hannah Newby (nee Chester)
Married Elizabeth Goulton 30 Jan 1814 (Chester of Snaith Parish - Elizabeth Selby Parish
Re-married 1841 in Rawcliffe, Goole to Mary Ann Pease - residence at time of marriage Barlow
1841 Census residence Barlow
1851 Census visitor Barlow
Died 25 Sept 1859 Selby District
Probate Calendar describes him as Gentleman of Snaith
Goughy
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Hannah Newby, Death Certificate (alias Hannah Nuby in Probate Register)
Registration District SELBY
1839 Death in the Sub-district of Snaith in the County of York
Fourteenth of April 1839 At Carlton
HANNAH NEWBY
Female
Age 77
Widow of Thomas Newby Farmer
Age & Debility
Informant The Mark of X HANNAH PRECIOUS Carlton Present at the Death
Registered Seventeenth of April 1839
Thomas Perkins Registrar
Confirms Widow of Thomas Newby, Farmer, was Hannah Newby [nee Chester].
Regards Mark
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Hello
Quoted from:- Reply #577 on: Saturday 28 October 17 (Richard Gibson ... thread)
... Its a very long shot, but thinking 1812 was George's first appearance in Selby, little known about him to 1815 when he married Sarah Russel with Witness James Cockin and seems the earliest surname to be linked to George ...
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Chester Newby was George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bondsman.
I am looking for COOK (due to Elizabeth Cook Hood). This use of surnames, is a big thing on the Memorial Inscriptions in SW Scotland, Memorialising the Wife with her Maiden surname and stating "Wife of the Above", to denote ancestry.
Chester Newby, Miller, of Selby, was baptised Whitley / Kellington.
CHESTER and COCKIN surnames are linked (Marriage at Hatfield 1796).
There is a COOKE Witness on the 1830 COCKIN & Robinson (Marriage at Hatfield 1830).
My theory is that somewhere there is a COOK(e) link to COCKIN.
Mark
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Mrs Maudlin( nee Hood) Turner wife of Charles Turner. Selby
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Righard Gibson's wife was Elianor Wainwright marr 1792 Selby
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Burial
Mary Turner Wainwright
Maiden Name Turner
Burial 1832
Monk Fryston, Selby District, North Yorkshire, England
Death Date 08 Mar 1832
Cemetery St Wilfrid Churchyard, Monkfryston
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104187229
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Puzzle: The change over R Gibson to G Hood Cooper Wren Lane Selby, no records of bankruptcy sale (auction) of tools - stock in trade transfer too or bought by G Hood 1810 to 1812 ~ Why ?
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Mrs Maudlin( nee Hood) Turner wife of Charles Turner. Selby
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Righard Gibson's wife was Elianor Wainwright marr 1792 Selby
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Burial
Mary Turner Wainwright
Maiden Name Turner
Burial 1832
Monk Fryston, Selby District, North Yorkshire, England
Death Date 08 Mar 1832
Cemetery St Wilfrid Churchyard, Monkfryston
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104187229
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Puzzle: The change over R Gibson to G Hood Cooper Wren Lane Selby, no records of bankruptcy sale (auction) of tools - stock in trade transfer too or bought by G Hood 1810 to 1812 ~ Why ?
Eleanor Wainwright was a widow when she married Richard Gibson. She was Eleanor Colbert daughter of Leonard Colbert woodman of Selby by Eleanor his wife dau of Mathew Lofthouse of Scarthingwell
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Good Evening
I can't say very much (privacy rules), but one of my ancestor's set up an arrangement, to aid a well known Charity and a COOK Spinster with her address has been found.
We knew absolutely nothing about this!
Once I have worked back a generation (over 100 years), I'll be okay.
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In an (unrelated to above) Hood Probate (line from Wm Hood) some new names too, one linked to Wistow near Selby.
Mark
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That's good news Mark, lets hope it yields results
Claire
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Hello
Regarding this COOK in my newly acquired HOOD document.
I've just got back to an:-
1851 Census, Kimberworth, Rotherham
Elizabeth Cooke, Head, Wid, 63, Mangle Keeper, born Greasbrough about 1788.
Thomas Cooke, Son, Un, 21, Coal Miner, born Bradgate, about 1830.
Olivia Cooke, Dau, Un, 19, Chair Woman, born Bradgate , Yorkshire, about 1832.
Ellis Cooke, Son, 17, Engine Fitter, born Bradgate, Yorkshire, about 1834.
Henry Cooke, Son, 15, Coal Miner, born Bradgate, about 1836.
1861 Census, Swinton
Ellis Cooke, Head, Marr, 27, Railway Engine Maker, born Kimberworth, about 1834.
Harriet Cooke, Wife, Marr, 26, Railway Engine Maker's Wife, born Kimberworth, about 1835.
Albert Cooke, Son, Un, 0, born Masbrough, about 1861.
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Claire tells me she has the following, with a PARKINSON witness too:-
Ellis Cook son of Henry Cook and Elizabeth Ellis. ( A Harriot Parkinson witnessed this marriage in 1827)
Mark
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Hi
From the baptism register at Rotherham Minster it also states Ellis was born 27th January 1834 and his father Henry was a miner, their abode: Bradgate.
ELLISS Cook was buried at St Thomas Kimberworth 28 March 1882 aged 48.
A headstone transcription reads
" In memory of Ellis Cook of Rotherham who died 24 March 1882 aged 48 years, also of Elizabeth Cook mother of the above who died September 2 1877 aged 70 years. Also of Lucy eldest daughter of the above Ellis Cook who died February 19th 1859 aged 3 months, also Elizabeth, third daughter of the above who died July 10th 1865 aged 14 months. Also George, second son of the above who died 17 December 1866 aged 7 weeks "In the midst of life we are in death."
Also Eleanor second daughter of the above who died February 1900 aged 37 years. Also Harriet, widow of the above Ellis Cook who died July 2nd 1918 aged 93 years. Albert Cook died January 12th 1904 at Jersey City USA aged 43 years.
Ellis Cook was quite a wealthy man when he died, a probate entry reveals his estate was worth around £13,000.
Claire
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Hello
Thank you Claire, that M.I. is very detailed!
I have added more Census information from FS.
Mark
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Hello
Regarding this COOK in my newly acquired HOOD document.
I've just got back to an:-
1851 Census, Kimberworth, Rotherham
Elizabeth Cooke, Head, Wid, 63, Mangle Keeper, born Greasbrough about 1788.
Thomas Cooke, Son, Un, 21, Coal Miner, born Bradgate, about 1830.
Olivia Cooke, Dau, Un, 19, Chair Woman, born Bradgate , Yorkshire, about 1832.
Ellis Cooke, Son, 17, Engine Fitter, born Bradgate, Yorkshire, about 1834.
Henry Cooke, Son, 15, Coal Miner, born Bradgate, about 1836.
1861 Census, Swinton
Ellis Cooke, Head, Marr, 27, Railway Engine Maker, born Kimberworth, about 1834.
Harriet Cooke, Wife, Marr, 26, Railway Engine Maker's Wife, born Kimberworth, about 1835.
Albert Cooke, Son, Un, 0, born Masbrough, about 1861.
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Claire tells me she has the following, with a PARKINSON witness too:-
Ellis Cook son of Henry Cook and Elizabeth Ellis. ( A Harriot Parkinson witnessed this marriage in 1827)
Mark
Hello
In the Northern Star newspaper of April 1844
"The Colliers' Movement."
Rawmarsh. [near Rotherham]
Regarding collections for that week it says ...
... Friends at Greasber's 6s 4d ; Stephen Musgreave 10s ; Daniel Cook 5 s ; Bradgate £1 6s ; ...
Leeds Intelligencer, 12th February 1788
Freehold property for sale at High Burton, in the Parish of Kirk Burton, near Huddersfield ... late the Estate of Mr James Wilkinson, deceased, ... extensive right of common, ...
For further Particulars apply to Thomas Cotton, Esq; at the Haigh, near Barnsley ; Mr John Cooke, of Swinton ; Mr James Wilkinson, Surgeon, in Rotherham ; or Mr J Wilkinson, at High Burton aforesaid, who will shew the Premises.
Leeds Intelligencer, 23rd March 1795
Thursday died, much lamented, in the 54th year of her age, after a long and painful illness, which she bore with the greatest fortitude and resignation, Mrs Cooke, of Swinton. Her exemplary conduct most worthily sustained the duties of daughter, wife, and mother. ...
Leeds Intelligencer, 16th November 1801
On Monday last was married, William Vavasour, Esq; of Weston Hall, near Otley, to Miss S. Cooke, youngest daughter of John Cooke, of Swinton, near Rotherham, Esq.
John Cooke of Swinton, Yorkshire and of Shrewsbury, Esq.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rPgRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=%22John+Cooke+of+Swinton%22&source=bl&ots=NhOJDZrvwT&sig=FRN7tChWSyrKedGxZCZ2UYFqgp0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVqLKrrvvYAhXpKsAKHSsaBtwQ6AEwAXoECBEQAQ
Mark
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Hi
This Daniel Cooke looks to be the son of George & Elizabeth baptised 1793, possibly a cousin of Henry. 1841 census he is in Kimberworth but by 1851 the family are in Hasland in Derbyshire.
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Hi
This Daniel Cooke looks to be the son of George & Elizabeth baptised 1793, possibly a cousin of Henry. 1841 census he is in Kimberworth but by 1851 the family are in Hasland in Derbyshire.
Hello
Thank you very much Claire.
There is quite a substantial funeral report in the newspaper of Ellis Cook of Rotherham in 1882, with the main mourners listed.
He died after a Coach accident at Baslow, Derbyshire.
Mark
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I note from another report he was a Wesleyan and a partner in the Iron hoop manufacterers "Wilcock Jones and Cook".
It would seem his father and brother also met with unfortunate accidents.
Claire
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Hello
Thank you Claire. Noticed this evening too, those Cook, Wesleyan & Methodism links.
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Looking forward to seeing that Alfred William Hood signature on the 1892 Sims = Cook marriage, at Warrington.
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Searching Hood and Jamaica in newspapers. The first few search returns of 1783 give Rear Admiral Hood at Jamaica. A Naval Squadron appears to have been based there.
Admiral Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood (12 December 1724 – 27 January 1816)
Battle of the Saintes
On 12 April 1782 Hood took part in a British fleet under Rodney which defeated a combined French and Spanish fleet which was planning an invasion of Jamaica. The French commander De Grasse, who had been responsible for the victory at Chesapeake was captured and taken back to Britain as a prisoner.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Hood,_1st_Viscount_Hood
Footnote A Few Bloody Noses: ... by Robert Harvey page 530
Under Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount it says
Sir Samuel Hood (1762–24 December 1814), his cousin once removed, was a Rear Admiral.
His first engagement was the First Battle of Ushant on 27 July 1778, and, soon afterwards transferred to the West Indies, he was present, under the command of his cousin, at all the actions which culminated in Admiral George Rodney's victory of 12 April 1782 in the Battle of the Saintes.
Died at Madras, India.
Mark
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Considering Mark's dad says their Hood's were Scottish origins and George's trade Cooper/ Brewer/Tanner/Grocer of booze (Wife & son).
I'm working on
Hull (Hessle) Griffin Breweries Cow lane -James Hood 1846 a Scot from Dumfries
https://www.sites.google.com/site/hesslelocalhistorysociety/hessle-s-history/hessle-in-1879
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(Bear in mind George Hood d 1845 was a brewer)
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Good Afternoon
Ros has kindly managed to access the Will (Australian version, after the refusal by Hong Kong who said I had to visit in person) of Thomas HOOD BENTLEY and one of the Witnesses was an Inglis GOLDIE.
Previous research - Thomas HOOD BENTLEY was apparently related to Eleanor COOK of Tynemouth / Shields.
Latest information here ...
Re: John & Thomas Hood Bros Sculcoates Tailors and Drapers & London, any Info please
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=780131.msg6431384#msg6431384
and
Re: Thomas Hood Bentley to Sydney late 19th c.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=106949.msg6431373#msg6431373
Mark
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Maudland Hood
One of the witnesses at Maudland Hood's Wedding at Selby 27th November 1794 was Frances STEARS.
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Frances Stears to Richard Yarwood 4th February 1796
For the Stears = Yarwood marriage Family Search are quoting Quaker references:-
RG 6/785 (TNA cat - says Yorkshire QUARTERLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends' Registers)
and
RG 6/857 (TNA cat - says York - MONTHLY Meeting - Marriages Soc. of Friends Registers).
Frances Yarwood, aged 83, is recorded as a Quaker at death, Hull.
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Maudland Hood's Father was John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough, where Maudland Hood's birth and Baptism dates are recorded - St Mary's).
Hello
Maudland HOOD & Charles TURNER's 1794 Wedding
Frances STEARS, a Quaker, was at Maudland HOOD's 1794 CHURCH Wedding and signing the register as a witness, so I am wondering if Frances STEARS or a STEARS was related to either HOOD or TURNER?
Seems quite unusual, as Quakers couldn't marry in a Church or by a Priest (they would be disowned).
1st of 1st mo. 1790 [1st January]
I have got hold of the York area Quaker Families (which include Selby) and before 1790 there were several Quaker STEARS families locally Headed by:-
Mary STEARS Wife of Samuel STEARS, Linen Draper of Castlegate, York and also
two Thomas STEARS both married to a Mary, one Thomas Stears a Husbandman at Drax, the other Thomas Stears a Shopkeeper at Selby.
Cert Rec'd 1795 - also Morley STEARS, Miller, residing at Heslington Field.
Quakers were absolutely forbidden to marry at a Church Service, so I am surprised at Frances signing the Register and wondering if Frances and the STEARS were related to HOOD or TURNER marrying in 1794?
Mark
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From Mary Ridsdale's death record in 1876 aged 82, looked for a birth c1794.
She is the daughter of William Hood.
The BT's are in a terrible condition but she was baptised 6 July 1794 in Walkington.
William Hood married Mary Twedle in 1791 Walkington.
CANNOT find baptisms for William Hood or John Hood both born c1760ish.
So possibly William and John were siblings.
Can any one spot William and his wife Mary in 1841 - both lived into the 1840's and were buried in Walkington.
Wm Hood 1766 living with daughter Sarah Agar in Walkington. No Mary with them though.
According to Family Search (1841), William HOOD with the Agar family, was apparently living on the Walkington "Howden Fee" in the Registration District of Beverley.
Howden Fee
The greater part of the land belongs to the Bishop of Durham's manorial liberty of Howdenshire, and is called "the Manor of Howden Fee,” and the rest of the parish is in the manor of “Provost's Fee,” ...
The Howden Fee, was a Manor in Walkington, East Riding of Yorkshire, belonging to the Bishop of Durham's manorial liberty.
Mark
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Hello
Don't get excited, George Hood does have other property besides Wren Lane and Gowthorpe, Selby. His Will also says he has Mortgaged Estates.
George Hood is also acting as a Building Society, lending money.
Hood's Will dated 1845
16th April 1846 Property Registered at Wakefield
Registration after the death of George Hood late of Selby, of Messuages Brewery, two Malt Kilns, Buildings, Workshops, Yards and Premises etc., in Wren Lane and Gowthorpe
and Also all other his messuages cottages lands tenements and real estate whatsover and wheresoever Together with the rights members and appurtenances to the same several hereditaments and premises respectively belonging ... 15th April 1846
William Hood has signed and placed his official Seal (L.S.)
Sworn Rob: Jno Parker of Selby Solicitor
Hen'y Birkinshaw his Clerk
Haigh and J. S. Horsfall have signed in the Margin
What is interesting, is that the entry has two additional signatures in the top margin Wm or Hn Haigh and J. S. Horsfall (or J. G. Horsfall), as though they are present and perhaps have some link?
All of the late George Hood's other property and its location is not specified ??? ???
Hereditaments
Suggests some property was the result of inheritance, or inherited the rents therefrom.
Whether that means inheritance (by someone else) before George Hood had ownership, or George Hood inherited, is not stated.
Occupiers George Hood, Robert Wilkinson and Others
George Hood, Robert Wilkinson are Occupiers, at Gowthorpe (also in Will).
Mark
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J. G. Horsfall of Manningham / Bradford
Bolton Royd House, built for J. G. Horsfall around 1832. Horsfall was a worsted spinner and manufacturer. His mill stood behind the parish church
Provoked rioting when he introduced steam power into his Mills (1820s?).
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Finding several different Horsfall & Turner links, online, 1817 Huddersfield & 20th Cent
1817 http://gayandmike.co.uk/horsfall.htm
Maudland Hood married a Charles Turner
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Robert Wilkinson ?
George Wilkinson ? 1813 Knottingley property owner - tenant George Hood ?
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Hereditaments
Could be Lease hold-Free hold or Copy Hold land {Petre for Selby or Wilkinson for Knottingley]-(held by a manorial tenant) ?
Hereditaments are divided into corporeal and incorporeal. Corporeal hereditaments are "such as affect the senses, and may be seen and handled by the body; incorporeal are not the subject of sensation, can neither be seen nor handled, are creatures of the mind, and exist only in contemplation".[1] An example of a corporeal hereditament is land held in freehold, held in leasehold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditament
https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/land-and-property-records-including-title-deeds/35/
Names in records of land 'hold's' or changed after a death to inheritor of named in a Will
Maybe worth talking to -see link below- they hold original copy hold black dusty scrolls records and old fashioned card index systems. They have a lot of older experienced academic book worm type people who know a lot- roaming about old records.-(Ph'd's, Dr's, Prof's and the like - who loved to advise when I use to visit soime years ago)
https://www.yas.org.uk/Contact
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Thanks dobfarm
Besides owning property and Brewery in Wren Lane and the Messuages, a Malt Kiln and Premises in Gowthorpe, Selby.
George Hood also owned a SHARE in Messuages, cottages or tenements, Malt Kiln and premises, in Gowthorpe. NO NAME ??? who George Hood shared the ownership with.
One possibility might be John Cape, because he was a Brewer in Gowthorpe, Selby.
Marriage of John Cape to Mary Gouldsbrough, at Selby - Oct / Nov 1822 (two dates, so possibly by Licence).
John Cape & Mary Cape, she was Thos Gouldsbrough's Daughter in the Will ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770770.msg6236112#msg6236112
The Gouldsbrough's were related to Sarah RUSSELL, by Marriage.
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This looks to be too recent ...
Selby (Middlebrough) Brewery Ltd Selby
4 Gowthorpe
Premises New Inn
"Selby Ales" in faint outline on the fascia.
1903 TODD of Selby (and elsewhere), Maltkiln in Ousegate was occupied by Middlebrough & Son ...
More here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748511.msg5961499#msg5961499
Cellars occupied by Young & Company
Mark
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John Cape was a local lad to Selby born July 14th 1796 baptised 17th July 1796 son of a brewer John Cape and Elizabeth Foster
The J G Horsfall of Manningham/Bradford area is likely this guy
John Garnet(t) Horsfall bpt. 7 Mar 1788 Thornton by Bradfor in the Kipping Independent Chapel, son of Timothy and Sarah Horsfall.
J G Horsfall married a Mary Horsfall 1817 and died 1848 Frant, Sussex.
Here is his signature form his marriage, you can check if it may be the same guy
Claire
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There were however Horsfalls in Selby. Cannot see a J S Horsfall or initials J G in Selby but two marriages caught my eye.
One of a John Horsfall - the marriage was witnessed by a Hannah Turner. The other was a Joseph Horsfall who married an Elizabeth ROE - a Roe was a Bondsman on a John Hood marriage bond or allegation I seem to recollect.
Claire
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There were however Horsfalls in Selby. Cannot see a J S Horsfall or initials J G in Selby but two marriages caught my eye.
One of a John Horsfall - the marriage was witnessed by a Hannah Turner. The other was a Joseph Horsfall who married an Elizabeth ROE - a Roe was a Bondsman on a John Hood marriage bond or allegation I seem to recollect.
Claire
Hello
Thank you Claire.
John Roe was Bondsman on the John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, with Sarah Hammond (Saint Giles in The Fields) 1778 London Marriage Bond.
However, the John Hood signature (on the 1778 London Marriage Bond) was a different signature to the John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, who in 1763 married Elizabeth Leppington, Widow, (Elizabeth Spencer).
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The mystery share in the other Hood property, at Gowthorpe, Selby, could be anybody.
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Parkers Solicitors only kept documents, which were family related.
Mark
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There were however Horsfalls in Selby. Cannot see a J S Horsfall or initials J G in Selby but two marriages caught my eye.
One of a John Horsfall - the marriage was witnessed by a Hannah Turner. The other was a Joseph Horsfall who married an Elizabeth ROE - a Roe was a Bondsman on a John Hood marriage bond or allegation I seem to recollect.
Claire
1833 Joseph Horsfall = Elizabeth Roe, marriage at Selby, was witnessed by a William Blenkhorn?
Blenkhorn are in Sarah Richardson's line who married John Hood of Selby, Tanner.
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Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The Sussex Advertiser, Surrey Gazette and West Kent Courier (Lewes, England), Tuesday, September 12, 1848
Deaths (died)
Horsfall - August 31st (1848) at Tunbridge Wells, John Garrett Horsfall, Esq, of Bolton Royde Bradford, Yorkshire in his 61st (Estimate birth year 1787 which fits Claire's bapt 7th March 1788 Bradford find) year of his age.
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Besides owning property and Brewery in Wren Lane and the Messuages, a Malt Kiln and Premises in Gowthorpe, Selby.
George Hood also owned a SHARE in Messuages, cottages or tenements, Malt Kiln and premises, in Gowthorpe. NO NAME ??? who George Hood shared the ownership with.
One possibility might be John Cape, because he was a Brewer in Gowthorpe, Selby.
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Hello
Thanks dobfarm.
Gowthorpe, Selby
Regarding the Messuage, Cottages or Tenements, Malt Kiln and Premises, in Gowthorpe Selby, in which George HOOD owned a SHARE, leaving the other owner a mystery.
The 1848 Selby Rate Book, page 6, Gowthorpe, Selby, possibly answers the question ...
Occupier Owner
John Precious , John Cape , House
John Hood , William Procter , House & Tan Yard
Geo Hoods Exors, Hon. E. R. Petre Exor, Land
Geo Hoods Exors, William Procter , Maltkiln
Looks like it was probably William Procter, who owned the other Share in the Maltkiln, in Gowthorpe.
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The other Messuage and Maltkiln, with Carpenters Shop, Buildings, Yard and premises in Gowthorpe, Selby, that George Hood owned outright was his Brewery.
Maltkiln and a Brewery, Wren Lane, was run by William Hood after George Hood (who died 1845).
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George Hood's Executors, also owned a Shop, occupied John Green, Jun'r (seems to be a Wheelwright) in Wide Street, Selby, (renamed Micklegate, Selby) so possibly a Workshop.
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Later John Hood, Tanner, takes over Jackson's Tannery in Gowthorpe, Selby, with his Brother George Hood.
Mark
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"Mrs Beatrix Bacon in 1690 devised land in the Parishes of Thorpe and Brayton, the income from which has formed the endowment for the Presbyterian Chapel in Millgate ever since that date. About that time they intermarried with another Selby family named Morritt. Bacon Morritt died in 1751, and his namesake and successor in 1775. The two families were, perhaps, the most influential in the town in their day. The Morritts became large landowners at Cawood and Ryther. Mr. Bacon Morritt was also the owner of the Manor of Bowthorpe, in the Parish of Hemingbrough, and devised £5,000 each to his five Daughters. The sisters lived at York, and were famous for their skill in needlework and their quaint dress and manners. For Anne Eliza, who was buried at Selby in 1797, the poet Mason wrote a poetical epitaph, in which he praises the skill of her pencil. Their nephew, the best-known representative of the family, was John Bacon Sawrey Morritt of Rokeby, the friend and correspondent of Sir Walter Scott, to whom his poem of 'Rokeby' is inscribed."
Beatrix Bacon was a Presbyterian.
Extract quote from Goughy
Burial
Henry Bacon of Selby Surgeon and Apothecary son of John Bacon of Selby Tanner by Hannah his wife daugh of Mr Hood of Selby aforesaid Surgeon 17 September (1785) in Selby Church aged 60
14th March 1727
Probate of the Will of Roger Hood of Selby
In the name of God Amen I Roger Hood of Selby being weak of Body but of perfect understanding Do make this my last Will and Testament – in manner and form following (Viz.) … I give o’in manner following first I give to my Brother Nathaniel Hood, my Sister Eliz: Middleton & my sister Ann Todd my dwelling house and orchard & appurts thereunto belonging to be equally divided among o’in & Do hereby give and bequeath each of ye above mentioned p’ties an equal share in ye above mentioned house and orchard lyeing or being in Ouzegate I give also to Mr John Mush & Ann Barker liveing in Wren Lane five pounds in Trust for the only use & benefit of my Nephew German Camp to be given to him in such way & proportions as the abovementioned Mr Mush & Ann Barker shall see and think proper to give him I also give to my Nephew
German Camp the Bed and Appurts belonging to him standing in the Chamber I also give to my two Neeces Sarah and Mary Camp all the wearing apparrele linnen & wooling belonging to my Late wife Except the Cloak w’ch I give to my sister Middleton. Lastly I appoint my Brother Nathaniel Hood my Sister Middleton & my Sister Todd Exe’trs of this my Last Will & Testam’t. I give o’in all my goods & Chattells debts & Creditts my Legacys debts and funeral Expenses being first discharged In Witness whereof I set my hand & Seal this 14th March 1727/8 Roger Hood. Witness Geo: Hutchinson, Peter Leaper Ann Nutt. [sic].
Roger Hood was buried Selby 18 March 1728.
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John Mush of Selby was Presbyterian.
Possibly Roger Hood of Selby had Presbyterian links too?
Hannah Hood the Daughter of Mr Hood, the Surgeon of Selby, married a Bacon.
The Hoods at Selby then seem to disappear mid 18th Century at Selby. But I'm wondering to myself, were some of the Hoods in Nonconformist Registers, now missing.
I have notes on the late 18th Century Bacon Wills / Admins.
Mark
Hello All
Looking at the Will of Roger Hood of Selby, 1727/1728
It mentions his Brother Nathaniel HOOD and two Sisters, Elizabeth MIDDLETON and Ann TODD.
(Information from Claire:- Thomas ELLISON married Martha OBEE, his sister Ann ELLISON married Richard GOLTON.)
24th December 1716 Wm: ELLISON married Anne FAUCET.
28th June 1778 Thomas ELLISON bapt 1st son of Thomas & Martha ELLISON of Selby, Cordwainer
Thos son of Thomas ELLISON of Selby, Innkeeper by Mary his wife, dau of Saml Moor of Thorp in Brayton Parish, Innkeeper. Martha dau of Christopher OBEE of Selby, Farmer by Mary his wife, dau of Wm Jefferson of Selby., Innkeeper.
Going back to the Will of Roger Hood of Selby, his Sister Elizabeth MIDDLETON did not appear, but William MIDDLETON appeared instead, with Anne TODD and Nathaniel HOOD.
19th August 1707 Nathaniel HOOD married Elizabeth FAUCET.
Later, 26th January 1737 a William MIDDLETON married Mary FAWSET.
These earlier HOODs of Selby (some are, or linked to Presbyterians and no records exist), but they link via Marriages to Richard GOLTON too (linked to Richard Gibson, Cooper?)
Definite link Thomas ELLISON COLLINSON of Myton, Hull, in partnership with Richard PEARSON; Samuel STANILAND & Others at Thorne
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783146.msg6377882#msg6377882
Ex Nicholson property Ousegate Selby To James Collinson in 1838 involved George HOOD.
George Hood (1838 Registration) and later William Hood (1864) are linked to the Collinson property at Ousegate, Selby. Possibly also Stephen Collinson.
Mark
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26 February 1809 Selby Parish Register
Richard BATHWICK or Richard BORTHWICK of Howden Parish, Sadler, married Ann WARD of Selby, by Licence.
The Witnesses were reputed to be:-
Amelia TATE
Wm HOOD
Looks nearer Wm Wood, than Wm Hood.
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Hello, posting so that I don't lose it.
Indictment of George Leng otherwise George Long of SELBY, West Riding, labourer:- steal a saddle and bridle from Thomas Watson at Eastrington House of Correction 12 months
Witnesses: Matthew Harrison, Benjamin HOOD
17th October 1820
I'll try and find a newspaper report, to find out more and see where Benjamin HOOD lives.
Mark
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26 February 1809 Selby Parish Register
Richard BATHWICK or Richard BORTHWICK of Howden Parish, Sadler, married Ann WARD of Selby, by Licence.
The Witnesses were reputed to be:-
Amelia TATE
Wm HOOD
Looks nearer Wm Wood, than Wm Hood.
This was definitely Wm WOOD, not Hood.
Hello, posting so that I don't lose it.
Indictment of George Leng otherwise George Long of SELBY, West Riding, labourer:- steal a saddle and bridle from Thomas Watson at Eastrington House of Correction 12 months
Witnesses: Matthew Harrison, Benjamin HOOD
17th October 1820
I'll try and find a newspaper report, to find out more and see where Benjamin HOOD lives.
Mark
East Riding - reply regarding Benjamin Hood, should be Benjamin HORD ...
Document reference QSF/449/B/5, the surname Hood has been transcribed incorrectly it should be HORD, there is no reference to Benjamin being in or of Selby.
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Awaiting two other copy documents.
Mark
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SCULCOATES
Charles Turner baptised 19 March 1797 Father is Charles Turner and Mother is Magdaline.
Sarah Turner baptised 21 December 1799 Father is Charles Turner and Mother is Maudlin.
SELBY
16 July 1811 Charles Turner Son of Charles, Selby, Whitesmith. Drowned aged 14 and buried in the Church Yard.
Age 14 would give a birth of 1797, matching exactly the 1797 baptism at Sculcoates.
The drowning of Charles TURNER might have happened between Ferriby and Ferriby Sluice, as there is a drowning in the newspapers shortly before the burial date at Selby (Burial 16th July 1811 in the Selby Transcriptions).
Ferriby appears to have been in both the Counties of Lincolnshire and Yorkshire; North Ferriby in Yorkshire and South Ferriby in Lincolnshire.
Hull Advertiser and Exchange Gazette, 13th July 1811
A boy belonging to the Brigg packet boat was drowned a few days ago, between Ferraby Sluice and that place, owing to the horse upon which he was riding, behind the boat, having fallen from the towing path into the water.
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In the Selby Transcriptions (which only cover up to 1812), Charles TURNER [& Mordland TURNER (nee HOOD) ] other Son:-
6th July 1806, John TURNER, Son of Charles Turner, Whitesmith. Died aged 2 & buried in the body of the church.
John TURNER was their 3rd Son, born 1804, according to the Selby Parish transcriptions.
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Interesting to see a 4th Son baptised 20th February 1809 GEORGE TURNER (born 17th February)
Mark
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Hello All
I feel I am probably getting the best links one can get in the circumstances between John Hood of Selby, Mariner (buried 1819) and George Hood of Selby (married at Selby 1815) a known ancestor of mine in my line.
Working the children and grandchildren forward (so far), of Charles TURNER and Maudland TURNER (nee Maudland HOOD) there appears to be one definite link, in 2):-
1. Elizabeth TURNER child (of Charles & Maudland TURNER nee HOOD) has married Samuel NICHOLSON in 1832 at Selby and the Nicholson surname is the only suggestion I can find for George HOOD (taking out a Mortgage late in life) buying the late Samuel Nicholson of Rawcliff, properties at Selby (Registered 1838), when the Nicholsons were forced to sell by the Court of Chancery. George Hood already had his own personal property and he does not appear to be related to the Collinsons, nor Ann Etty.
*Amended*
However, the problem here was, that there appears to be no link between the property owner Samuel Nicholson of Rawcliffe (Snaith) deceased and the Samuel Nicholson [wheelwright] who married Elizabeth Turner in 1832.
2. Two TURNER Grandchildren of Maudland TURNER nee HOOD (from John Hood, Mariner, unconfirmed ancestor pre gap) have married a GRUBB, naming their children with middle names of Marshall and Railton, this confirms strong links to my line (post gap), who also have married into the Marshall and Grubb families (this Grubb incidentally traces back to a Railton GRUBB), suggesting the families and the HOODs (pre and post gap) knew each other and likely married other members of the same family.
3. Mary TURNER has married Richard RUSSELL, Captain. I now know from the witness who signed as Hannah CRASER (not Hannah eraser), that Hannah (maiden surname TURNER) was Mary's Sister. Hannah TURNER, had married George CREASER only weeks before.
From George CREASER's obituary it says his Wife was Miss Turner of Selby, so from her death age Hannah was Charles & Mordland Turner's (Maudland HOOD's) Daughter ... therefore Richard RUSSELL had also married into Charles & Mordland TURNER's family. Details here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792827.msg6493805#msg6493805
Question
So my question relating to 3. - is Richard RUSSELL, Captain, related to Sarah RUSSELL's family, please?
If so, it would show a 3rd link from John Hood, Mariner, descendants, this time to George HOOD's wife.
Mark
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I have some questions please, in London, where Hannah Mary Hood born Selby 1850 (who married John Conway Curtis) and was known as Anna Mary Curtis lives. In 1885 she was a Hood witness (of 291 Camberwell Road, London) and John Conway Curtis (her late husband's) address was still the same in the 1901 Probate Index, despite his death at the Constance Road workhouse, East Dulwich, Surrey.
But I can't find the Curtis at the 291 Camberwell Road address in the Census?
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Also wondering if the following might be related:-
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Also a Dairyman Mr Grove of the Dairy and A. M. Grove of Camberwell Green Dairy, 291 Camberwell Road, also seems to live (overlapping with the Curtis) at the same address, according to newspapers?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763680.msg6308109#msg6308109
Hi Mark
Now this is interesting..... both 1891 and 1901 Census living at 291 Camberwell Road
George Grove b 1852 Selby Head Dairyman/Shopkeeper
Anna Mary Grove b 1852 Selby Wife
Hi
Thank you Goughy and Claire
How interesting to wake up to this! ...
Hannah Mary Hood born 1850 became Anna Mary Curtis. Her husband John Conway Curtis is on the run in 1880, so they change their surname to Grove.
John Conway Curtis left £1702 in 1901, but in 1902 the Will was "Resworn" and worth just over two hundred.
The pair were never discussed!
Mark
Hello
An 1890 advert offering a £5 Reward posted by "Proprietor: A. M. Grove" of Camberwell Green Dairy, Established 1884 [Hannah Mary HOOD / Married name Anna Mary CURTIS] of 291 Camberwell Road, born Selby made a loose claim to Farms at:-
Clonmel, County Tipperary
Hayes, Kent
I wonder if any Hood connection, in those places?
A. M. Curtis had been a Witness to my 2 X Gt Grandfather George Hood, born Selby.
Mr Grove was visiting Ireland (1891)
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I have found a reference to a July 1813 Lease to George HOOD, Kilkenny.
Also a Form downloaded and titled the IRE 1771 Tipperary Clans Archive BOX 3 has in handwriting -
Source Freeman's Journal 13.9.1770 to 15.2.1772. Place U.C.C. 30.9.94
Date, Sept 1771;
Name, Dr George Hood;
Place, Kilkenny;
Occupation, Relatives/Comments, Chancellor, Kildare, Rectory Rathdowney.
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I'm also wondering if these two operating under their assumed surname of GROVE, appear on any shipping lists, visiting Ireland?
Mark
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George GROVE of Camberwell Green Dairy, 291 Camberwell Road, London, S.E., was in partnership with Walter Nowell CAREY, as Dairymen, when the Dairy was dissolved in February 1901.
No mention of Anna Mary Grove or Anna Mary Curtis.
His Will was written 29th June 1888 and signed as John Conway CURTIS, Proved 4th October 1901, to Anna Mary CURTIS, with his address as 291 Camberwell Road, in the County of Surrey, but dying at the Constance Road Workhouse, East Dulwich, on 4th August 1901.
Witnesses:-
Frank Graham CAMPBELL, 106 Boyson Road, Walworth, S.E.
Emma WHITTARD, 1 Sunny Side, Moseley, Birmingham.
Mark
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George GROVE of Camberwell Green Dairy, 291 Camberwell Road, London, S.E., was in partnership with Walter Nowell CAREY, as Dairymen, when the Dairy was dissolved in February 1901.
No mention of Anna Mary Grove or Anna Mary Curtis.
His Will was written 29th June 1888 and signed as John Conway CURTIS, Proved 4th October 1901, to Anna Mary CURTIS, with his address as 291 Camberwell Road, in the County of Surrey, but dying at the Constance Road Workhouse, East Dulwich, on 4th August 1901.
Witnesses:-
Frank Graham CAMPBELL, 106 Boyson Road, Walworth, S.E.
Emma WHITTARD, 1 Sunny Side, Moseley, Birmingham.
Mark
Claire has found Walter Nowell CAREY of Guernsey.
http://www.careyroots.com/ea11a.html
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According to Bernard Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of ... it says this under CAREY of ROZEL, Guernsey
1 Margaret, m. Spencer Henry, son of Charles B. Curtis, Esq., and has issue.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FIcTAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270&dq=Spencer+%22Castle+carey%22+guernsey&source=bl&ots=AAlWSVGP8A&sig=AHnaM6eDVfvpW505RXHdBig1OCg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwisnL_Mit3cAhWFVsAKHbDMC7IQ6AEwBHoECAAQAQ
Charles Berwick Curtis (1795-1876) married Henrietta Pearson (1796-1884), in 1822, Edmonton, Middlesex
http://ghgraham.org/charlescurtis.html
Their son Henry Spencer born 1833 married Margaret Tupper Carey.
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Samuel Brunyee Curtis, is listed (GRO Index) as dying at Selby in 1875, aged 44.
According to Probate Calendars Samuel Curtis died 26 June 1875 at Selby, Sarah Lowther Curtis of Selby Widow the Relict.
John Conway Curtis married Hannah / Anna Mary Hood of Selby, in 1878. His late Father was S. B. Curtis.
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I wonder if John Conway Curtis might possibly be related to the Carey family, explaining the partnership at the Camberwell Green Dairy?
Mark
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I wonder if my Grandma Hood had got it a bit wrong when she told us Thomas Cook the Traveller? Captain James Cook seems to have links to Gt Ayton?
http://www.captaincookschoolroommuseum.co.uk/
Regards Mark
Hello
According to a summary written by Alan R. Lancaster about James Cook, who later became known as Captain James Cook, R.N., he comments ...
William Sanderson was a Shopkeeper at Staithes ... "Sanderson released him from his apprenticeship and he began another one in the employ of the Quaker John Walker, master mariner and owner of several 'Whitby Cats', (shallow draught ships that were used in the movement of Alum shale as well as taking coals from Tyneside to Wapping, on the Thames east of the City of London). James did well, beginning his service on the 'Freelove' under the master John Jefferson. Finishing his apprenticeship in April 1750, James had been west to Ireland and across the North Sea, through the Skagerrak and Kattegat to the Baltic ports of Sweden, North Germany and Poland. He was to pass his examination and achieve his master's ticket, sailing as mate on the 'Friendship'."
Captain James Cook, was murdered in 1779, but had earlier connections with Whitby and apparently Staithes, up the coast, North from Scarborough.
A table of voyages in Whitby ships
https://www.captaincooksociety.com/home/detail/a-table-of-cook-s-voyages-in-whitby-ships
I wonder if John Jefferson (who knew James Cook), was John Jefferson who had links to John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner (and later John Hood of Selby, Mariner).
The Elizabeth Leppington (Widow on Allegation) in the attached Marriage Bond extract was Elizabeth Spencer.
Grandma did link us to Captain Cook who travelled the seas.
I am wondering if John Jefferson is the person who links us to James Cook, not a blood relationship, but an acquaintance of John Hood, Mariner, whose Marriage Bondsman at Scarborough in 1763 was John Jefferson, Mariner?
I thought of Thomas Cook the Traveller (who founded the Travel Agency), because he lived in one of the same roads as my 2 X Gt Grandfather, at Leicester.
James Cook's Wife was Elizabeth Cook and also sometimes called Elizabeth Batts Cook (1742 to 1835).
Mark
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Hello
Bit of an update
https://www.captaincooksociety.com/home/detail/muster-records-for-the-north-sea-colliers-of-james-cook-1747-1755
The first two transcribed Muster Rolls including James Cook as crew born Marton 1728, indicate that John Jefferson, Master of the Freelove (1747-1748) and Master of the Three Brothers (1748-1749), was born Sandsend 1715 to 1716.
Sounds like both George Hood and John Hood of Scarborough, Mariners, could have known this John Jefferson, born 1715 to 1716 Sandsend and Master on the 1747 to 1749 Rolls, with James Cook on board as a Servant.
Sandsend was near Whitby.
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Unfortunately, I don't have an age, nor Birthplace for the John Jefferson, Master, who was definitely linked to John Hood of Scarborough and of Selby.
John Hood was baptised 1738 Scarborough, and sailing from the Port Hull (1774 onwards) as a Master and linked to a John Jefferson, Mariner and Master.
Kicking myself, I don't have a photograph of a Muster Roll with John Jefferson, Master, early 1770s!!
Mark
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Hello
So far, I had probably been looking at the wrong John Jefferson deaths, but Claire has found a Will.
Some new developments here regarding a Ships and Vessels owner [owned Shares], John Jefferson of York:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6573022#msg6573022
Mark
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Found an apprenticeship record for the son Richard
Jefferson, Richard son of John Jefferson, mariner of York apprenticed to William Coton woollen draper and merchant tailor - dated 1790.
Quite a few records for the Jefferson’s in the Deeds Register of York - tailors woollen drapers etc.
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Found an apprenticeship record for the son Richard
Jefferson, Richard son of John Jefferson, mariner of York apprenticed to William Coton woollen draper and merchant tailor - dated 1790.
Quite a few records for the Jefferson’s in the Deeds Register of York - tailors woollen drapers etc.
Hello All
Thank you very much Claire.
There is a John Cotton the younger, in the following Will ...
Will of Ann Hood 1799 Kingston upon Hull, Widow
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=781212.msg6355993#msg6355993
Her Son was a missing Seaman, Samuel Hood late of Moreton and the Notice in the newspaper appealing for information ...
Hull Packet, 15th July 1800
SAMUEL HOOD, a Seaman, wanted.
If SAMUEL HOOD, Son of MICHAEL
HOOD, late of Morton, near Gainsborough, in
Lincolnshire, be living, and will apply to Mr GARBUTT,
Woollendraper, in Lowgate, Hull, he may
receive 300l, left by the late Mrs. Ann Hood,
his Mother-in-Law, to himself or his heirs:-The
said Samuel Hood is or was by profession a seaman;
if living, is about 64 years of age; supposed to sail out
of London, but it is not known on what service or
station, as he has not been heard of for some years.
-If dead, any Person or Persons coming forward and
proving his death, and a legal claim as his heir or
heirs, will be entitled to the above property.
GEORGE ENGLAND.
Hull, July 10, 1800.
I am now certain that where the York Will Volumes Copyist (on Borthwick microfilm of the Registers) has written Battow, the place should say BARROW (note end of the Will transcription). I did wonder if the Copyist had got it wrong over 200 years ago.
The 1747 Hull Trinity House Muster Roll information (featured on my John Hood thread regarding Mariners in the Occupations section of RC) of Captain Michael Hood born Barrow and of Morton, so that Captain Michael Hood is likely related to Elizabeth Hood of Kingston upon Hull, in the Will, Proved 1799.
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The reply from Trinity House at Hull says they have no records going back far enough into the 18th Century, so nothing there for me.
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Thomas Hewson, Hewson & Co. Hull, of the Centurion
John Hood of Selby, Mariner, was sailing on the Centurion, for Thomas Hewson of Hewson & Co., 1788 to 1790 (Hull Muster Rolls, Hull & Lloyds Registers).
According to adverts in the Hull newspaper they were known as Hewson & Co. Thomas Hewson died 1812.
Stamford Mercury, 14th February 1812
Last week, at York, aged 77, Mr. Hewson, father to Mr. George Hewson, wharfinger, of Hull.
I now have scans of the 1812 Will of Thomas Hewson of York, Gentleman, from our Library here ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D296336
Thank you, Mark
ADDED: I think John Jefferson is the one to concentrate on.
Thos Hewson (Will 1812) was linked to Hull and mentions Ship Owner, William Martin who was in the September 1778 advert when a set of ships were made ready (which included John Hood & John Jefferson).
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Two Edward Wilkinson births c1750
Edward W son of William bapt. 1750 Kellington
Edward W son of James (NC baptism) in Cleckheaton ( born Birstall 1752.
Edward Wilkinson aged 29 married Margaret Twist 1781 Selby by licence.
One of the baptisms of the Bateman children list 'Edward Wilkinson, Innkeeper' as father of Mary Bateman nee Wilkinson.
So seems likely given ages and occupation from the records found that Edward W that died in 1828 is the man above.
Quick look at Fowler - can see a birth in Caistor, Lincs of a Bateman Fowler in 1896 - a possible link ?
Thanks Claire
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Kellington is closer to Knottingley and Whitley, than Selby.
Samuel Hirst diaries (of Kellington, born Cridling Stubbs) mention a George Hood.
George Hood in the Knottingley Land Tax of 1813, occupying a property of George Wilkinson.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758380.0
Chester Newby 1815 Hood=Russell, Marriage Bondsman, born Whitley / Kellington.
I was also just wondering if George Hood, Knottingley, (if the same George as George Hood of Selby), his Son James & Sarah Hood (nee Arundel) might be linked twice (separately) to the Wilkinsons?
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Regards Mark
Hello
I wonder if George Hood's Father was linked to William Hood of Pollington in the Parish of Snaith.
There is another link too, including in the Samuel Hirst Diaries (born Cridling Stubbs) of a visit by George Hood returning from Askern.
All these places and Chester Newby, Baptism / Residence place (1790 Kellington / Whitley) are all in the same area of the West Riding!
George NEWBY, Bachelor, Wheelwright, married Elizabeth SWANN, Spinster, both of Baln, by Banns, at St Laurence, SNAITH, 9th February 1802.
*** One witness was WILLIAM HOOD ***
I now wonder if William HOOD was related to the Groom or Bride / families?
Mark
See Marriage extract
See Map
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Hello
David Swann & William Hood witnesses, to the George Newby, Marriage at Snaith in 1802 (both of the couple were from Baln).
Regarding a David Swann of Balne ...
Agreement of Sarah and David Swann, farmers, of Balne, with George John Yarburgh, to rent lands in Balne on annual basis, at £137 per annum
Snaith St Lawrence have a Burial for David Swann of Baln, aged 80 years, 14th May 1824.
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George John Yarburgh of Heslington Hall, in the county of York.
Mark
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Hello All
Some interesting developments (in brief) regarding John Hood of Selby (born Scarborough), Mariner and the JOHN HOOD & MARTHA DEAN, 1781 Marriage Banns at Scarborough, but no Scarborough St Mary's Marriage entry in the Parish Register.
John DEAN of Gainsborough was the Owner of John HOOD's Sloop Industry sailing from Hull and also owned the Gainsborough Calvinist Meeting House too.
More detail and information here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6580252#msg6580252
Mark
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Hello
David Swann & William Hood witnesses, to the George Newby, Marriage at Snaith in 1802 (both of the couple were from Baln).
Regarding a David Swann of Balne ...
Agreement of Sarah and David Swann, farmers, of Balne, with George John Yarburgh, to rent lands in Balne on annual basis, at £137 per annum
Snaith St Lawrence have a Burial for David Swann of Baln, aged 80 years, 14th May 1824.
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George John Yarburgh of Heslington Hall, in the county of York.
Mark
Hello
John Hood of Selby, Mariner, sailed the Industry 1781 to 1786, was put up for sale by John Dean's Son of Gainsborough. In the Hull Muster Rolls, John Hood went on to sail the Leeds Packett and Leeds Packet, Hood in the newspapers was sailed by DEAN after Hood.
According to the newspapers, they also say Jane, Hood, so John Hood of Selby, Mariner, looks to be sailing the Jane before he goes on to sail the larger Centurion ship 1788 to 1790, where John Hood of Selby is sailing to Europe and Russia.
I've long suspected that the vessel Jane sailing from Hull (1780s) was Staniland's of Thorne.
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Anyway to cut a long story short according to a Notice dated Thorne, April 8, 1789. Mes. Staniland, Wharfinger, Thorne Quay, (in conjunction with the River Dunn Company Warehouse), were trading as Partners:-
James Staniland
Thomas S. Swann
Robert Staniland
James Staniland, Jun.
James Staniland and Co.
Incidentally the River Dunn Company had its own coinage / tokens ...
Lot 622, Dix Noonan Webb (2 October 2013)
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/past-catalogues/results.php?auction_id=285&layout=list&offset=600&limit=24
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I have a second-hand 1829 Lease of William Staniland of Selby re property at Brayton and Staniland's Seal is identical to the lower half of George Hood's Seal (4 legged, thin legs, Trippant), so I can never rule out Staniland, who has several vessels including one called Jane.
Vessel owners are known to name them after their family members.
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Also, Richard Pearson Shipbuilders at Thorne, with a Collinson, partner.
Gilderdale, Pearson and Company, Ship Builders.
Collinson, Pearson and Company, Timber Merchants.
Can't quite join all the dots yet, but it may be, I'm barking up the wrong tree with Staniland. I await Dean's Will with interest.
Mark
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Hello All
Oh I am so excited ;D ;D following on from my last two updates regarding John/Joseph DEAN of Gainsborough and the James STANILAND of Thorne, all Wharfingers.
The 1829 William Staniland Lease I have says:-
Parties bounding:-
Mrs Ann Hartley or Mrs Ann Startley
Mr Thomas Ottley
late of JOSEPH DEAN but now of William STANILAND
Mr James Poppleton
and some of the other names mentioned.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768921.msg6212987#msg6212987
Although it does not confirm a link between John HOOD of Selby, Mariner and my confirmed documented ancestor George HOOD of Selby yet, William STANILAND has acquired some of the property of a JOSEPH DEAN and this might be the same Joseph DEAN of Gainsborough (his Father John DEAN of Gainsborough), who I'm currently looking into, (after the 1781 John HOOD & Martha DEAN, Scarborough Banns)
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John HOOD of Selby, Master Mariner, working for vessel owner John DEAN of Gainsborough (vessel Hull based), was one of four Sloops offered for sale by Heir, Joseph DEAN. Then next John HOOD of Selby, Mariner, is briefly sailing a vessel owned by STANILAND.
Still some more dots to join and more research, but very interesting to see other links, possibly links which might go back to around the time of George Hood's Birth (1780s)!!
I saw the 1829 Lease for Sale and something deep inside my head was saying I should buy this old Deed, mentioning William Staniland of Selby and I just wonder if it was another name mentioned by Grandma when I was a boy and sub-consciously it was hidden in my brain drawer, but don't know.
Mark
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Ships 'Industry' and 'Leeds Packet' (Packett) 1785 to 1787
Did either ship dock in Newcastle/Gateshead Sept 1786 en-route to another port
( Its difficult to believe an east coast ship only visited Hull to London and not visit Newcastle or east Scotland ports)
George Hood son of John Hood baptism 1786 Gateshead was an only child baptism by a John Hood +/- 10 years ( could be an indicator George was a son of a visiting John Hood [mariner ?] to the area--Clue ?))
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Marriages
John Hood widower of Scarborough to Sarah Hammond widow 1778 (London) (Sarah could have died 1778 to 1781)
or
John HOOD (widower ??) & Martha DEAN, Banns, Scarborough - 1781.
(Dean surname as Ships 'Industry' and 'Leeds Packett' owner sounds a clue)
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Hello All
Some interesting developments (in brief) regarding John Hood of Selby (born Scarborough), Mariner and the JOHN HOOD & MARTHA DEAN, 1781 Marriage Banns at Scarborough, but no Scarborough St Mary's Marriage entry in the Parish Register.
John DEAN of Gainsborough was the Owner of John HOOD's Sloop Industry sailing from Hull and also owned the Gainsborough Calvinist Meeting House too.
More detail and information here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6580252#msg6580252
Mark
Hello All
Thank you dobfarm, our thoughts too.
This is a line of enquiry, I am pursuing and awaiting a Will ???
Gateshead Baptism 1st October 1786
The newspaper has Hood sailing 30th September 1786 from Hull to London, whilst this Gateshead Baptism was being performed on 1st October 1786. But I am not ruling anything out.
Industry John Dean of Gainsborough
It seems the owner of the Coaster "Sloop" Industry in the "Hull Trade" was John DEAN of Gainsborough, but no Will (a Master himself born Nottingham - Hull Muster Roll).
Also the Calvinist Chapel at Gainsborough is up for sale with John Dean's Vessels and Houses.
Claire confirms John DEAN baptised Independent Chapel, Nottingham had a Sister called Martha DEAN.
John Hall was part Proprietor of Vessels, with Dean
Some more information from a newspaper Notice dated Gainsborough 8th February 1788, published by Joseph Dean (only Son of John Dean), confirms that the Vessels of his late Father John DEAN late of Gainsborough, are partly owned by John HALL, also a Master.
John Hood & Martha Dean 1781 Banns
Unless it is a terribly unfortunate coincidence, it does look like John Hood of Selby, Mariner, has published Banns at Scarborough in August 1781 intending to marry his vessel owner's Sister - Martha DEAN ;D ;D .
John & Martha Dean's Sister was Jane
You might be interested to know John & Martha DEAN also had a Sister called Jane DEAN!
Jane Dean of the Ship Inn, Selby 1800 - Ruled Out
Before anyone else gets excited, we have ruled out the Jane DEAN of the Ship Inn, Selby, in Mountain's 1800 Selby Directory, as a possible for Jane HOOD, buried Selby, 15th August 1803.
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John Hood, Mariner of Newcastle
Think I have only found him once sailing the coal boats.
Interesting because he could be John Hood the Hoastman.
The Hoastman of Newcastle were apparently running a coal cartel with the Newcastle coal trade.
Seems they laid on hospitality in pubs with drink to negotiate prices with visiting coal buyers.
Mark
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Hello
David Swann & William Hood witnesses, to the George Newby, Marriage at Snaith in 1802 (both of the couple were from Baln).
Regarding a David Swann of Balne ...
Agreement of Sarah and David Swann, farmers, of Balne, with George John Yarburgh, to rent lands in Balne on annual basis, at £137 per annum
Snaith St Lawrence have a Burial for David Swann of Baln, aged 80 years, 14th May 1824.
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George John Yarburgh of Heslington Hall, in the county of York.
Mark
Hello
John Hood of Selby, Mariner, sailed the Industry 1781 to 1786, was put up for sale by John Dean's Son of Gainsborough. In the Hull Muster Rolls, John Hood went on to sail the Leeds Packett and Leeds Packet, Hood in the newspapers was sailed
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According to the newspapers, they also say Jane, Hood, so John Hood of Selby, Mariner, looks to be sailing the Jane before he goes on to sail the larger Centurion ship 1788 to 1790, where John Hood of Selby is sailing to Europe and Russia.
I've long suspected that the vessel Jane sailing from Hull (1780s) was Staniland's of Thorne.
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Anyway to cut a long story short according to a Notice dated Thorne, April 8, 1789. Mes. Staniland, Wharfinger, Thorne Quay, (in conjunction with the River Dunn Company Warehouse), were trading as Partners:-
James Staniland
Thomas S. Swann
Robert Staniland
James Staniland, Jun.
James Staniland and Co.
Incidentally the River Dunn Company had its own coinage / tokens ...
Lot 622, Dix Noonan Webb (2 October 2013)
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/past-catalogues/results.php?auction_id=285&layout=list&offset=600&limit=24
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I have a second-hand 1829 Lease of William Staniland of Selby re property at Brayton and Staniland's Seal is identical to the lower half of George Hood's Seal (4 legged, thin legs, Trippant), so I can never rule out Staniland, who has several vessels including one called Jane.
Vessel owners are known to name them after their family members.
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Also, Richard Pearson Shipbuilders at Thorne, with a Collinson, partner.
Gilderdale, Pearson and Company, Ship Builders.
Collinson, Pearson and Company, Timber Merchants.
Can't quite join all the dots yet, but it may be, I'm barking up the wrong tree with Staniland. I await Dean's Will with interest.
Mark
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Hello All
Some interesting developments (in brief) regarding John Hood of Selby (born Scarborough), Mariner and the JOHN HOOD & MARTHA DEAN, 1781 Marriage Banns at Scarborough, but no Scarborough St Mary's Marriage entry in the Parish Register.
John DEAN of Gainsborough was the Owner of John HOOD's Sloop Industry sailing from Hull and also owned the Gainsborough Calvinist Meeting House too.
More detail and information here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6580252#msg6580252
Mark
Hello All
Thank you dobfarm, our thoughts too.
This is a line of enquiry, I am pursuing and awaiting a Will ???
Gateshead Baptism 1st October 1786
The newspaper has Hood sailing 30th September 1786 from Hull to London, whilst this Gateshead Baptism was being performed on 1st October 1786. But I am not ruling anything out.
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Industry John Dean of Gainsborough
It seems the owner of the Coaster "Sloop" Industry in the "Hull Trade" was John DEAN of Gainsborough, but no Will (a Master himself born Nottingham - Hull Muster Roll).
Also the Calvinist Chapel at Gainsborough is up for sale with John Dean's Vessels and Houses.
Claire confirms John DEAN baptised Independent Chapel, Nottingham had a Sister called Martha DEAN.
John Hall was part Proprietor of Vessels, with Dean
Some more information from a newspaper Notice dated Gainsborough 8th February 1788, published by Joseph Dean (only Son of John Dean), confirms that the Vessels of his late Father John DEAN late of Gainsborough, are partly owned by John HALL, also a Master.
John Hood & Martha Dean 1781 Banns
Unless it is a terribly unfortunate coincidence, it does look like John Hood of Selby, Mariner, has published Banns at Scarborough in August 1781 intending to marry his vessel owner's Sister - Martha DEAN ;D ;D .
John & Martha Dean's Sister was Jane
You might be interested to know John & Martha DEAN also had a Sister called Jane DEAN!
Jane Dean of the Ship Inn, Selby 1800 - Ruled Out
Before anyone else gets excited, we have ruled out the Jane DEAN of the Ship Inn, Selby, in Mountain's 1800 Selby Directory, as a possible for Jane HOOD, buried Selby, 15th August 1803.
Added
John Hood, Mariner of Newcastle
Think I have only found him once sailing the coal boats.
Interesting because he could be John Hood the Hoastman.
The Hoastman of Newcastle were apparently running a coal cartel with the Newcastle coal trade.
Seems they laid on hospitality in pubs with drink to negotiate prices with visiting coal buyers.
Mark
If the "industry' ship took the morning tide on the 30th Sept 1786 from Hull, called at Newcastle/Gateshead first en-route London that could have put John Hood on the river Tyne on the 1st October 1786
Scenario
If Martha Dean being Mrs John Hood the boat owners daughter and could be a reason she sailed on board with her baby son George Hood who was baptised 1786.
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Scenario 2
Martha was working in connection to the family Dean's docking office (as an agent for the group of boat/ship firm owners) in Gateshead
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Hello All
Thank you dobfarm.
I have been looking at the unique 'd' in the signature of my George Hood (top left corner of my Rootschat name) and the 'd' was identical to the one apparently adopted by Martha Mowbray who married the Rev. Robert Hood at Frieston, Lincolnshire 18th July 1782.
Robert Hood's Wife apparently, signs Martha Hood as a witness at the 6th December 1811 marriage at Fleet, Lincs., of Robert Barclay Hood of Holbeach.
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Robert & Martha Hood's Daughter, also called Martha Hood can be ruled out by viewing the marriages of (free snippet view at Lincs to the Past, with Flash player):-
1st December 1813 Marriage of Mary Eleanor Hood of Holbeach, wits. Martha Hood; Elspet Hood; R. B. Hood; John Kitchen[?]
30th June 1819 Marriage of Martha Hood of Holbeach, wits. Elspet Hood; Henry Mowbray; Cook Blythe Chapman and John Kitchew[?]
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There is something further ... the Rev. Robert Hood of Holbeach for some odd reason is featured in 1783 under "Leeds, December 9."
Might possibly suggest he has a Yorkshire connection, or known / visited Yorkshire.
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A Householder who filled out his Household Census Return born Yorkshire in 1841, his parents didn't have to live there, they might just be visiting Yorkshire when the Birth occurred.
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My word Martha is having children like a production line! Just checking if there might be room to fit a Birth in!
Mark
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Hello All
Jefferson
We know when John Hood of Selby, Mariner, married at Scarborough in 1763 his Bondsman was John Jefferson and a John Jefferson was also linked to the vessel Industry sailed by John Hood of Selby in the 1780s (owned by John Dean).
Also John Hood ; John Jefferson & E. Craven crop up as witnesses at the marriage of Richard Jefferson, in 1763.
On a search of my pc 'Hood Jefferson' who should crop was 3 different Marriage images (one a book page) of
Richard Hood of Catton, Widower marrying Charlotte Margaret Abel of St Lawrence, York, in April 1810
and the Witnesses were
Jesse Robinson and
Francis Jefferson
Mark
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Hello All
Looking at local Dean & Hood links.
April 1775 at Kingston upon Hull
Charles Hood married Mary Dean
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There was a Charles Hood, Hair-dresser at Hull who had the right to vote at the Beverley Election in 1799.
Seems the three Hoods (all in the 'W.' column)
William Hood, Labourer of Langton [interesting because the 'Roger Hood of Selby' Will ended up at Langton Hall - another Hood mystery?]
Richard Hood, Grocer, Stamford Bridge
Charles Hood, Hair-dresser, Hull
all voted for John Hall Wharton, Esq.
The other Candidate was John Bacon Sawrey Morritt, Esq.
Also noted a Charles Hood buried July 1803 at Hull.
Widow of Charles Hood, Hairdresser was buried in a Vault at the Tabernacle (Independent), at Hull, in 1833. I have full details of that & image.
Mark
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Hello
Can anyone else have a go at finding a Birth or Baptism record please (for the burial of this Military man)?
29th September 1800, Hull, H.Trinity
Burials
Rob't S of Bainbridge Hood in ye E. Yk Mil'a or Mil'y [Militia or Military?] (from actual image, see ditto).
Particulary interested in Bainbridge Hood and Hoods of Beverley because:-
a) Bainbridge Hood married a Pearson (a surname on the radar) and
b) my Grandmother spoke of the place of Beverley and Snaith and as a boy, I thought that's a girl's name and Snaith something associated with sneezing.
Thanks Mark
Can't see a marriage yet for Joseph and Jane. But John Pearson Cook was born in Pocklington in 1767 along with two brothers Joseph 1765 and George 1770, maybe more siblings somewhere else. Joseph Cook senior possibly born in Pocklington too there is a birth in 1737 - son of William and Sarah.
Wonder if they are related to this guy
http://pocklingtonhistory.com/news/index.php#news139
Well, the only marriage I can find is in Leicester in 1755 by licence - Joseph Cook & Jane Pearson. He was a soldier, both 21 on the licence, so probably older.
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The only Pearsons in Leicestershire (if indeed this is where Jane was born) were Quakers. But I just feel possibly this birth is too early - 1722 given Joseph is likely the 1737 birth , there is no age on their burial records either ( Joseph 1802, Jane 1804)
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Found a service record for his militia service dated 1798 ~ born Pocklington, he was a tailor by trade. Rank of Sergeant when service ended due too illhealth
Served 3 years in the Beverley Volunteer Company as sergeant.
Served 34 years in the East Yorks. Militia, 20 years a sergeant
Served 1 year in the 30th Reg. of Foot.
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Regarding Elizabeth Pearson and Bainbridge Hood. There is a transcript of the marriage & licence online.
Bainbridge Hood, wheelwright of this parish ( St Mary) and Elizabeth Pearson of the parish of St Martins were married by Licence 15 December 1768, both signed. Witnesses: Robert Banks and William Hawley.
Bainbridge Hood aged 22
Elizabeth Pearson aged 24 both resident in Beverley, licence dated: 14 Dec 1768, intended marriage place: Beverley St Mary.
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Hi
His father had been transcribed as Benjamin although the actual PR you can see that ‘Bainbridge’ had been written above Benjamin.
Robert son of Bainbridge Hood wheelwright baptised 14 March 1773 Beverley
Claire
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Hi
His father had been transcribed as Benjamin although the actual PR you can see that ‘Bainbridge’ had been written above Benjamin.
Robert son of Bainbridge Hood wheelwright baptised 14 March 1773 Beverley
Claire
Hello
Thank you Claire.
I have a Yorkshire HOOD print out dated 1992 (containing about 1980 events) of Marriages involving a Hood and some Baptisms, but No burials.
Father of Robert was incorrectly recorded as Benjamin Hood 12 March 1773 at Beverley St Mary and St Nicholas, so Father's name Benjamin Hood was an error.
I am going to post a summary of a property acquisition by Bainbridge Hood involving a Francis Wilkinson of Beverley, Gent and others ... here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769127.msg6317043#msg6317043
Mark
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Hi Mark
Now this is interesting..... both 1891 and 1901 Census living at 291 Camberwell Road
George Grove b 1852 Selby Head Dairyman/Shopkeeper
Anna Mary Grove b 1852 Selby Wife
Hello
Interesting Anna Mary Curtis (born Hannah Mary Hood of Selby) and Mr Curtis who were on the run from the Police at Moor Street, Birmingham in 1880, should use the surname Grove, in London?
In 1781 on page 54 of the 'London Directory' section of:-
Bailey's Northern Directory, or, Merchant's and Tradesman's Useful Companion, For The Year 1781.
In 1781 there was a company called Grove and Hood, Merchts. 4 Crosby Square, Bishopsgate Street
I'm left wondering if Hood of Grove and Hood, Merchants, in 1781 might be related to George Hood of Selby, or just a coincidence that John Conway Curtis and Anna Mary Curtis (nee Hannah Mary Hood of Selby), should assume the surname Grove, out of the blue about 100 years later?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763680.msg6616716#msg6616716
London Gazette 1835 (with reference to William Hood and Sarah Grove in 1816)
William Hood ... Sarah Grove ... Widow ... Merchants and Bankers (lately carrying on trade in Crosby-Square aforesaid, under the firm, of John Hood and Company ...
1836
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1A1KAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA302&lpg=PA302&dq=1835+%22William+Hood%22+%22Sarah+Grove%22&source=bl&ots=Ga39-e0ZIs&sig=cCZwhTkV7__Eawmn50u_U0pGGz0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwit1ZCNgdLeAhVMD8AKHWh2BfoQ6AEwAHoECAQQAQ
Mark
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There is a file!
B 3/5510
In the matter of William Hood and Sarah Grove of Crosby Square, London, bankers, bankrupts. Date of commission of bankruptcy:
20th June 1816
Former reference H34/294
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C481644
John Hood and Leslie Grove
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YqCQJnXc2pwC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=%22William+Hood%22+%22Sarah+Grove%22&source=bl&ots=namxOqblIf&sig=2mtUlVKGCB4KRjJjsMebtq5xeR4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFrrLMidLeAhXKJMAKHfoTCI8Q6AEwAHoECAYQAQ
1806 The European Magazine, and London Review, Volume 49
Monthly Obituary (May?)
24. At Newington, Mr. John Hood, of Crosby square.
1806 Another says:-
Deaths in and near London
At his house at Newington Green, John Hood, esq. principal of the old respectable house in Crosby Square ; his integrity, goodness of heart, and urbanity of manners, endeared him to all who knew him.
About time some of these old Hood obits found, cut out the nice words and said who was kin, who any children were and where.
Mark
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Hello
Claire has kindly posted a reply here regarding John Hood of Newington Green and Crosby Square (dying 1806), linked to Grove and Hood, Merchants (1781 Directory):-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763680.msg6616896#msg6616896
Widow - Elizabeth Hood
Brother - William Hood
John Holton of Colebrook, Salop doesn't ring any bells with my Hood family.
Mark
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Ordered two Death Certs, to see Relationship/Present at Death:-
Richard Hood born about 1774, Death Registered Sculcoates (aged 64).
William Hood born about 1773, Death Registered Scarborough (aged 66).
Regarding the William Hood born Scarborough - there was one baptised to a John and Elizabeth Hood but think if I remember was a bit earlier than that - the baptism may be on FS, and there were two couples in Scarborough by those names.
This William was a mariner and married c1799 Scarborough.
Going back to this Leonard who married a Mary. He was born c1761 to another Leonard. There is a burial in Osmotherly c1803 for a Leonard Hood born c1729. A quick look for any birth led me to two in 1726 and 1727 in Bowden, Roxburgh, Scotland. Lennard HUD son of James and Margaret 1727, and Lennard son of Alexander and Margaret in 1726. I can't see a likely birth in Yorkshire or environs c1729 that would fit.
Claire
Hi Claire
Thank you very much.
Are you saying that the Richard Hood aged 64 (born about 1774), dying at Sculcoates 1838 is probably the Son of Leonard Hood of Osmotherley?
Think this is along similar lines to what dobfarm was trying to say here ...
Richard Hood son of son of Leonard & Mary bapt 6 March 1774 Osmotherley (Richard Hood mariner Hull death 1838 circa b 1771 place unknown ? )
Thomas Hood son of Leonard (birth unknown) bapt 6 Nov 1756 ? (Married 1771 Osmotherley ?)
Leonard Hood X Mary ??- ?? marriage unknown
James Hood son of Thomas Osmotherley 1771 Osmotherley
Leonard Hood son of Leonard bapt 17 March 1761 Osmotherley
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Leonard Hood X Barbara Mather married 15 Nov 1749 St Nicholas reg and Nonconf Newcastle Upon tyne
Thank you dobfarm
EDIT According to a new post here, the 1838 Richard Hood burial at Sutton was late of Jenning Street, Groves
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756357.msg6166315#msg6166315
We'll know soon what the Richard Hood, Sculcoates Death Certificate says about his occupation.
Hello
Regarding the late Richard Hood dying Jennings St., in the Parish of Sutton 27th December 1838, aged 64 (Labourer at Death, formerly a Seaman / Mariner) and Elizabeth Hood his Widow in the Census at Jennings Street.
Images viewed, for Children to the couple (married 1817) give Richard Hood's occupation as Mariner / Sailor.
1817 Richard Hood, bapt. H.T. Hull, Abode Myton / Poss. buried Sutton 4 May 1837, Richard Hood 19 of Groves.
1819 William Hood, bapt. H.T. Hull, Abode Hull.
1822 Mary Elizabeth, bapt. Hull, Abode Myton.
1827 Susanna Hood, bapt. H.T. Hull, Abode Myton.
1831 Sarah Ann Hood, bapt. Drypool, Abode Sutton.
When Sarah Ann Hood married Henry Laverty in 1849 her Father (as previously discussed) was Richard Hood, Seaman, Wits: Anne Taylor and John Wilson Robinson.
I can't find a Richard Hood's Seaman's Registration in 1835 for him on FindMyPast. I suppose other site/s are the same?
I thought I had a Richard Hood with no Birth date, born Youghal, but looking up BT 114/11 (reference from image) these Merchant Seaman were alive between 1845 to 1854 and he died in 1838.
Mark
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In the Quote we had been referring to the parentage of Jane Cockin, Birth 16th September 1837, her Father Wm Cockin of Cowick [near Snaith] and her Mother was nee Ann Robinson.
She could be the one baptised in Snaith daughter of William and Anne Cockin on 15 October 1837. Abode: Cowick
And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
He signed she left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? ? and
William COOKE.
I think it says John Hopworth or Hepworth
Good Morning
I've been looking again at Emma Hirst (nee Tindall) baptised 1854 at Ledsham, Yorkshire, Dau of George & Jane Tindall.
In 1891 Emma Hirst, married, born Ledsham (aged 57 but should read 37 yrs, in 1891) was a "Visitor" in the 1891 Census household of Charles Hood, born Selby.
In 1844 George Tindall of Ledsham, Farmer, (Father - Edward Tindall, Farmer) married Jane Horsfield (Spinster) then of Kippax (Father Thomas Horsfield, Labour) at Ledsham.
Got back to an 1813 Baptism of:-
Jane Horsefield (alias Horsfield) Daughter of Thomas Horsefield (Labourer) and Mary Robinson of Heck, at Snaith.
Currently, I can't find a Marriage for the above?
Interesting that this road backward leads to ROBINSON of Heck/SNAITH. Like COCKIN in quote to ROBINSON of Cowick / Snaith.
Mark
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Hi
Thomas Horsfield and Mary Robinson both of the parish of Badsworth married there after Banns 4 December 1798
Both left their mark in the register
Witnesses : Jonathan Thorp & Jonathan Thorp ( both signed)
Record on Ancestry
Claire
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Hi Claire
Thank you, Mark
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939F-RF99-PK?mode=g&i=275&cc=1823613
Hello All
... William Son of William Hood and a late Maria Proctor Sp'r at Hedenham in 1800.
Hello
An update on this 1800 baptism of William Flood, at Hedenham.
This can definitely be ruled out now, I have an image of their 1796 Marriage. It is William Flood, not William Hood. In the 1800 Baptism the gap between the F & L is tiny, but on the marriage definitely separate letters.
William Flood married Maria Proctor at Hedenham, Norfolk 1796.
Mark
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Hello
1871 My ancestor Cecilia Westley, born Brentford, was a Domestic at the Bull Hotel, Humberstone Gate, Leicester (who married George Hood, born Selby 1847).
1871, the Bull Hotel, Humberstone Gate, Leicester, Proprietor was Henry Abraham Thomson (born Jarrow) and his Wife, Mary Thomson, was nee Mary Robinson, born Carlton Snaith, Yorkshire.
1858, Henry Abraham Thomson, Hotel Keeper of Leicester and James Cooke, Auctioneer, are mentioned in an Assignment from Richard Lowe.
1851 the couple were at 12 The Park, Lincoln and he was a Spirit Merchant Clerk and Mary Thomson aged 25 was born Carlton, Yorkshire.
1850 Henry Abraham Thomson married Mary Robinson in the District of Selby (from Free BMD image not seen)
Tracing Mary Robinson back, Mary Thomson was the Daughter of John Robinson, Farmer & Ann Eddel, and Mary was baptised at Carlton 1st January 1826.
The Marriage of John Robinson of Snaith and Chapelry of Carlton, Bachelor and Ann Eddell, Spinster, by Licence, was on 1st March 1821, in the presence of Witnesses:- Wm Storr; Hannah COOKE and Hannah Eddell.
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Do you recall the 1830 William COCKIN of Snaith = Ann Robinson Marriage (at Hatfield)?
John Hepworth and William COOKE were the 1830 witnesses.
Sorry to veer off topic, but here is a marriage that seems to have it all ::)
Yes Claire, the 1814 William Cooke & Elizabeth Hood, Widow, Marriage, Scremby, Lincolnshire, does seem to have it all?
William Cook, Elizabeth Hood, witnesses Thomas Robinson and Lucy Chester.
Looking at this again, as I recall saying to a Robinson boy at School, I'm related to you.
The places of Beverley and Snaith were both mentioned too by my late Grandmother Hood.
Mark
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Hello
Regarding the 1814 William Cooke & Elizabeth Hood, Widow, Marriage, Scremby, Lincolnshire.
I can't trace anything on Elizabeth Hood, Widow, as yet, so attempting to work the couple forward and two possible baptisms are:-
15th February 1818 Elizabeth Daughter of William & Elizabeth Cooke; Abode Scremby; Labourer.
31st December 1820 William Son of William & Elizabeth Cooke; Abode Scremby; Soldier.
Note underneath says:- The above sent in May 23rd 1821 to the register.
By 1820 William Cooke was a Soldier.
Mark
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Mark,
When you say your George Hood was buried by the Quakers but "not in membership" are you certain he wasn't baptised a Quaker and that's why you can't find him.
I have come across several instances of people baptised as Quakers, marrying a non-Quaker, baptising children as Quakers with a note saying "not in unity" then being buried by Quakers "not in membership". Marrying a non-Quaker may also be a reason for him not being accepted in 1836. Just a thought as I've been following your very interesting thread.
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Mark,
When you say your George Hood was buried by the Quakers but "not in membership" are you certain he wasn't baptised a Quaker and that's why you can't find him.
I have come across several instances of people baptised as Quakers, marrying a non-Quaker, baptising children as Quakers with a note saying "not in unity" then being buried by Quakers "not in membership". Marrying a non-Quaker may also be a reason for him not being accepted in 1836. Just a thought as I've been following your very interesting thread.
Hello Snowqueen
"following" thread etc ;D ;D after all this time!
Quakers were not Baptised, but a record was made of a Quaker Birth.
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I believe my George Hood of Selby never had Quaker Birthright, hence the "application from George Hood of Selby to be received into Membership" of the Quakers in 1836. No reference to the "application" being a reapplication, nor past membership.
I have contacted the Quakers for further clarification about Birthright and Membership.
Mark
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Thank you Snowqueen, it would seem that if George Hood was born to Parents who married as Quakers, Hood's 1836 Quaker Membership application would not be an application for Membership, but rather a reinstatement request.
The reply is a lot more complex for me, but it seems a minority who had left and wanted to come back were apparently dealt with on a case by case basis.
Mark
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Hi Everyone :)
Marriage of James COCKING in Hatfield November 1813 to Ann Wilburn
Claire
Witnesses to the above Marriage:- Edward Shepard and Sam'l Wilburny [added, probably Wilburn]
Hull H.Trinity 24th October 1809 William Cockin of this Parish Mariner & Maria Emerson of the same Spinster married by Licence.
Both left their marks
Witnesses:- Thos Wilson and the mark of Ann Brunyee
Found two James Cockin born Stanforth [Stainforth?] (Hatfield) in the Merchant Seamen Indexes, which began 1835, no details about them in the other accompanying indexes, so they must pre-date 1835?
Stainforth Parish was created out of Hatfield, Yorkshire.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/0c56b4b4-1f34-4780-96e0-b625716b5138
Also John Cockin, Mariner, born Stainforth about 1792 was sailing the 'Sarah & Mary' in 1835 (BT 112/14 p.1061/95) and below too.
William Cockin, Mariner of Thorne born about 1795 (BT 112/14 p.930 on the Canton, etc.)
We'll make some more enquiries, because James Cockin, witness on the 1815 Hood & Russell, marriage might be a Mariner.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I've been fascinated by this thread for quite a while. The effort you've put into this line of your family, and come up with so much, but not that VITAL part that'll take you further back. It's quite heartbreaking sometimes, but your determination is still coming through.
I've not read the whole thread (but I've read a few dozen pages of it) but I had a quick look tonight from an 'outsider's' view to see if there's anything I could uncover. Something I don't recall reading about before is a George Hood enlisting for the Napoleonic Wars in 1800. He is listed as from Knaresborough which is less than 30 miles away from Selby which is where George was known to be from.
Here's the details I could find on FindMyPast:
First name(s) George
Last name Hood
Enlisted year 1800
Enlisted day 3
Enlisted month Aug
Where enlisted Manchester
Place Knearsborough
County Yorkshire
Remarks Another Attestation R193(33)
Reference R191
Page 339
Dataset title Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, England
I hope this doesn't give you false hope, but I hope it may be of some relevance to you.
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Hello Ben
Thank you very much for your interest and reply.
I have wondered if there were any new or other George Hood Military records.
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We discussed two George HOODs (so far) on three Army records previously.
The George Hood at Leeds rejoined (so has two Army records), originally he was born Burneston near Bedale and died Leeds in the same month and Year of 1845, as my George Hood, on the following thread:- George Hood 1st Foot Guards born Bonden Yorkshire - Where is Bonden? Army List?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728347.msg5734006#msg5734006
The other George Hood was from Bonden County of York, wherever that was/is? However, that George Hood was too old.
Hopefully, your find is another George Hood I hope, but I'm not familiar with military history of this period.
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I'll take a look. Interesting though, as my 2 X Gt Grandfather also called George Hood born Selby 1847 (Grandson of the mystery George Hood) moved to Bowdon Cheshire when leaving home and his Brother William Hood born Selby 1849 moved to Manchester and became the Rev. Wm Hood.
Thanks, Mark
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Hi Mark,
...
I've not read the whole thread (but I've read a few dozen pages of it) but I had a quick look tonight from an 'outsider's' view to see if there's anything I could uncover. Something I don't recall reading about before is a George Hood enlisting for the Napoleonic Wars in 1800. He is listed as from Knaresborough which is less than 30 miles away from Selby which is where George was known to be from.
Here's the details I could find on FindMyPast:
First name(s) George
Last name Hood
Enlisted year 1800
Enlisted day 3
Enlisted month Aug
Where enlisted Manchester
Place Knearsborough
County Yorkshire
Remarks Another Attestation R193(33)
Reference R191
Page 339
Dataset title Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, England
I hope this doesn't give you false hope, but I hope it may be of some relevance to you.
Hello Ben
I have found what appears to be a Pay Book (on Ancestry) for the 1st Regiment Foot Guards 1806 to 1811 and although the page number/reference is not the same as the posted information, it says for George Hood date of Enlistment or former Service 4 August 1800.
I have checked the images previously saved for the Army record of George Hood born Bonden, Yorkshire and his Statement of Service says:-
2nd West York 4 Jany 1793 to 3 August 1800.
1st Foot Guards 4 Aug't 1800 to 8 Sept 1814.
Looking at the Service dates it does seem that the George Hood born Bonden was likely the same George Hood from Knaresborough, Yorkshire.
Thank you for your interest, Mark
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June 1847
Milford, Near Ferrybridge. – The thirteenth anniversary of the Wesleyan Methodist Sunday School was held on the 9th inst., … When the tea was cleared the scholars and friends proceeded to the chapel, where they were addressed by the Rev. J Pearson, of Selby ; Mr. Rodger, teacher of the Selby Day School ; Mr Rhoder, Leeds ; Mr Scholefield, Mr Duke, and other friends. … .
Note made: A John Rodger was a witness at Maudland Hood’s Wedding at Selby in 1794.
Mark
Added Mr Rhoder, Leeds, might be Mr Rhodes, Leeds, a Wesleyan.
Hello
Hoods of Selby also had Wesleyan Methodist connections in the 19th Century.
The name Independent Methodists in England, Great Britain was apparently adopted at Warrington in the late 19th Century, from small break away groups from the Wesleyan Methodists many in North-east England, some originally forming back in the late 18th Century.
They were removed from the Wesleyan Methodist Meetings and some tried to align themselves with the Quakers and known as Quaker Methodists, but were refused Membership by the Quakers too.
It was reputed that some others were known as 'Church Methodists' whose aim was to attend church to convert church attenders away to their own branch of Methodism and chapels.
Because James Hood of Selby married Sarah Arundel a Wesleyan Methodist and at least one of their Daughters Mary Ellen Hood married Arthur Chapman at the Selby Wesleyan Chapel in 1873. I'm wondering if the mystery George Hood of Selby might have been a 'Quaker Methodist'.
Frances Stears at Maudland Hood's 1794 Selby Wedding was definitely a Quaker.
Possibly John Rodger had a leaning toward Methodism (see quote). John Green later sharing George Hood's Selby premises was related to the Rodger family at Pollington and possibly the same John Green was an Independent, when his Daughter married in the Independent Chapel at Selby in 1848.
Alfred Wm Hood born Selby was in Warrington about the right time the Independent Methodists were officially recognised, along with Wife, Edith Hood (nee Scaum) who herself had been ejected from the Quakers.
George & William Hood (born Selby 1847 and 1849) had moved to Manchester sometime in the 1860s.
Mark
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Marriage was at Mildenhall 10 Feb 1827 after Banns
John Hutchins OTP and a bachelor
Eleanor Coward spinster of Burbage
He left his mark, she signed
Witnesses:
William Hammond
Hannah Hammond
Mary Jane Holloway
That's it, Claire. Unlike, George Hood, they were just a bit younger and he also lived longer than G.H., so have their Birthplaces (not on the marriage).
Regards Mark
Hello
On the Hutchins, I thought I had developments back into the mid 18th Century with a 1784 Marriage and a Bond which also gave his Father!
ADDED: Well no developments exactly, there is a coincidence! Or the George Hood kiss of doom ;D ;D
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=425356.msg6694535#msg6694535
A number of lines of Inquiry for the Hoods to be checked now in archives ;D ;D !
Mark
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Mrs Maudlin( nee Hood) Turner wife of Charles Turner. Selby
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Righard Gibson's wife was Elianor Wainwright marr 1792 Selby
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Burial
Mary Turner Wainwright
Maiden Name Turner
Burial 1832
Monk Fryston, Selby District, North Yorkshire, England
Death Date 08 Mar 1832
Cemetery St Wilfrid Churchyard, Monkfryston
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104187229
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Puzzle: The change over R Gibson to G Hood Cooper Wren Lane Selby, no records of bankruptcy sale (auction) of tools - stock in trade transfer too or bought by G Hood 1810 to 1812 ~ Why ?
Eleanor Wainwright was a widow when she married Richard Gibson. She was Eleanor Colbert daughter of Leonard Colbert woodman of Selby by Eleanor his wife dau of Mathew Lofthouse of Scarthingwell
Hello
I've found a George COOK marrying Julia Clabrough, with Charles HUDD & Sophia Evans X her mark, witnesses, in 1847 at Carlton Chapel, Snaith.
1808 Emanuel Claybrough her Father marrying Mary COLBERT in (1808), witnessed by Matt's Hepworth & Cath or Cuth [ ? ] 'th Joy at Carlton by Snaith.
Bit stuck on the Cath ... or Cuth ... signature for the moment (1808 Banns Carlton by Snaith image on f m p has signature)
AMENDED: Sophia Evans, signature ends with the words "her mark".
I will be trying again to find the history of Charles Hudd (witness 1847) who is of interest, please?
Eleanor Wainwright (Richard Gibson's Wife) was previously a Colbert.
Mark
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Hello
The 1815 Selby Marriage of George Hood and Sarah Russell was also in the York Courant newspaper and again it says ... both of that place.
Procter, Richardson and Adams collection
Four of the COOK family John Cook; Mary Cook; John Cook, Jun'r and Elizabeth Cook are "Relations" at the 1779 Marriage of Isaac RICHARDSON of the Grange St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Surry [sic] Tanner Son of Isaac Richardson of Whitby and Isabella his Wife and Sarah Mayleigh Barnes Daughter of Samuel Barnes of Booth Street, Parish called Christchurch Middlesex.
Difficult to say which (handwriting looks frail), but Sarah Hood or Hird was one of the "Relations" at the 1815 Marriage of John Hustler of Bradford Yorkshire Merchant Son of John and Christiana his Wife both deceased and Mary Mildred of York Daughter of Daniel Mildred of London and Lydia his Wife, also deceased.
References to Cherry Hill, York and the Richardsons. Also the Richardson Tannery interests in Yorkshire at Gt Ayton, Whitby etc., and the Low Lights Tannery, Northumberland, with a reference in email correspondence to the family about the Richardsons of Willington Mill and the adjacent Ropemakers Hood Haggie, who were taken over by Bridon.
Isabella Richardson Dau of Isaac & Sarah Mayleigh Richardson born at half past 3 O'clock in the morning on 20th day of May 1786 at Cherry Hill, York, Witnesses Wm Champney and Mary Relph.
Mark
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Hello
I have found a second George Hood Marriage notice, this one in a York newspaper (previous one was in the Hull Packet).
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Also Richard Russell's 1851 Administration (Richard Russell married Mary Turner at Selby in 1835)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792827.msg6709139#msg6709139
Mark
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This man Mr Schofield who claims to be a descendant of Matthew Hood. I've been looking into William Walker of Selby, baker. I have his Will - beneficiaries - Wife Susannah ( nee Moxon) and son William.
This Walker family didn't originate in Selby - they were from Thorne, near Doncaster. William Senior was born 1759 son of a William W. He married Susannah and their only child ( I can see) and son William was born 1783 Thorne. At Some point they moved to Selby.
Another Walker baptising children in Selby is a Thomas Walker (wife Elizabeth Smith) - he too from the baptism of one of his children was from Thorne ( son of a Thomas - probable cousin of the above William ? ). He also had a son William in 1793.
When this William Walker (son of Thomas) married Sarah Sefton in Selby in 1815 - the witness was Maudland Hoods husband Charles Turner ( compared signatures fron his wedding). They were both blacksmiths.
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Now lets go back to the William Walker buried in Selby 1811 - his son William bapt. 1783 Thorne
There is an 1851 census entry of a WILLIAM WALKER born c1783 THORNE - the only one born there using +/- few years either side - a visitor to a Judith H(awkin) Bell nee Wall ( married John Bell of Snaith at St Alkmund, Derby in 1810) , William W is with a wife ANN, both are listed as visitors.
He is also a retired MILLER.
William and Ann Walker baptised 7 children that I can see. Three of them being William, Ann & James in Independent Chapels in Doncaster between 1811-1822 - a miller on all baptisms
Now look back at the census posted in #559 - now is that a coincidence that a James COOKIN is there with William Walker - miller ?? Age a bit out - but what do you think ?
Hi
Claire I agree, Charles Turner (husband of Maudland Turner, formerly Maudland Hood) was a witness at the William Walker and Sarah Sefton, 1815 Marriage.
For Sarah Sefton's pedigree it says see p.19 of the Selby Register and this was when Alice Sefton was baptised in 1793 at Selby. Sarah and Alice Sefton's Mother was Ann Daur of Thos Burton of Selby, Joiner.
Makes me wonder (not checked yet) if any link to the Burton, linked to Sarah Russell, who married George Hood in 1815 at Selby.
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Regarding the Walker surname, an 1800 William CHESTER baptism at Selby, it says regarding the Mother's descent, Elizabeth Dau'r of William Ellis of Rocliff Banker by Hannah [WALKER] his Wife Daur of Thos Walker of Thorne Gardener.
Father was William Chester of Selby Sailer Son Francis Chester of Thorne Farmer by Rebecca his Wife.
William Chester was a Sailor, but I wonder (not checked yet) if William Chester links to the Chester Newby family.
Mark
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Awaiting the 1816 Will bundle of Wm Batman of Selby, because George Hood was later one of the occupants of the premises owned by the Exors of Batman and there was a later Hood of Selby link to Bateman (via Wilkinson).
In 1839 George Hood with others were linked to the premises owned by Batman's Exors.
By 1840 Richard Precious now owned the premises (previously Batman's Exors) with Geo Hood and others still occupying.
Interesting that a Robert Precious married Hannah Newby 1825, Daughter of Hannah Newby (nee Chester) of Carlton, Snaith and Kellington and Mother of Chester Newby (George Hood's Marriage Bondsman).
Going back to the Batman surname, it appears at Eastrington - Mary BATMAN marrying Thomas SWAN in 1772. John BATMAN was a witness.
Then on the next Eastrington page (same opening) John Batman witnesses a John ANELAY, marriage in 1773. The Howdenshire History website suggests the early members of the Eastrington Ainley Family came from the Snaith area and mentions the 1773 Marriage.
http://www.howdenshirehistory.co.uk/eastrington/ainley-family-history.html
Interesting, because in 1802 a George Newby, Wheelwright, married Elizabeth Swan, Spinster both of Baln, Parish of Snaith and William HOOD and David SWANN were witnesses.
At Selby in 1811 Robert CHESTER, Sailor, married Jane BATEMAN, witnesses Thos AINLAY and John Jackinson.
There just seems to be a load of surname links with all this above lot!
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Then I find on the Borthwick catalogue for Yarburgh of Heslington ...
Agreement of Sarah and David SWANN, farmers, OF BALNE, with George John Yarburgh, to rent lands in Balne on annual basis, at £137 per annum
Wm Hood of Heslington is also linked to the Yarburgh of Heslington, due to Wm Hood holding some of Yarburgh lands.
Added: Elizabeth Hood 1717 seems to be listed under a Marriage Settlement list by Hull History Centre [Financial Settlement prior to an intended Marriage, usually to cover her settlement should her Husband die first] in the Greame papers, apparently linked with Yarburgh.
Yarburgh of Heslington also holds lands in various parts of the Parish of Snaith and just discovered Yarburgh of Snaith Hall and G. Cooke Yarburgh mentioned in 1826.
Therefore, I've ordered the full Will Bundle of William Hood of Heslington (rather than just my 1807 Inland Revenue Abstract Copy).
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Clary WALKER first married Jonathan Ranby of Pollington and as Widow she married James Hood, Schoolmaster in 1762 at Snaith. Buried Snaith in 1794 as Clarissa Hood.
And who were witnesses in 1762 Samuel ANLEY (variations of that surname also cropping up often) and the other witness was Samuel Huscroft.
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Previously, traced back the ancestry of the Bell Hotel, Humberstone Gate, Leicester, proprietor's Wife, (where my 2 x Gt Grandmother was a Domestic in 1871, shortly before her Marriage) and the Proprietor's Wife descends from Robinson of Carlton, Snaith. In the same line, there was a Hannah Cooke and Wm Storr witnesses at the 1821 Snaith Wedding of John Robinson and Ann Eddell.
Fotunately, there is an 1839 Will for this John Robinson of Carlton, Widow Ann, the Hotel Wife's ancestor, so ordered that too.
Previously we discovered, in 1830 William Cockin of Snaith married Ann Robinson at Hatfield (William Cooke & John Hepworth were witnesses) and now wonder if they'll be related to this Robinson of Carlton line. Hopefully the Will might link a few, or perhaps the Leicester Hotel Proprietor's Wife was a relative of ours and how my 2 X Gt Grandparents met (the Proprietor's Wife and my 2 X Gt Grandfather both having links with Selby).
My Grandmother mentioned Snaith and Beverley, also Stephenson and Robinson.
So I still remain hopeful!
Mark
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Hello
Awaiting the 1816 Will bundle of Wm Batman of Selby, because George Hood was later one of the occupants of the premises owned by the Exors of Batman and there was a later Hood of Selby link to Bateman (via Wilkinson).
In 1839 George Hood with others were linked to the premises owned by Batman's Exors.
By 1840 Richard Precious now owned the premises (previously Batman's Exors) with Geo Hood and others still occupying.
Interesting that a Robert Precious married Hannah Newby 1825, Daughter of Hannah Newby (nee Chester) of Carlton, Snaith and Kellington and Mother of Chester Newby (George Hood's Marriage Bondsman).
Going back to the Batman surname, it appears at Eastrington - Mary BATMAN marrying Thomas SWAN in 1772. John BATMAN was a witness.
Then on the next Eastrington page (same opening) John Batman witnesses a John ANELAY, marriage in 1773. The Howdenshire History website suggests the early members of the Eastrington Ainley Family came from the Snaith area and mentions the 1773 Marriage.
http://www.howdenshirehistory.co.uk/eastrington/ainley-family-history.html
Interesting, because in 1802 a George Newby, Wheelwright, married Elizabeth Swan, Spinster both of Baln, Parish of Snaith and William HOOD and David SWANN were witnesses.
At Selby in 1811 Robert CHESTER, Sailor, married Jane BATEMAN, witnesses Thos AINLAY and John Jackinson.
There just seems to be a load of surname links with all this above lot!
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Then I find on the Borthwick catalogue for Yarburgh of Heslington ...
Agreement of Sarah and David SWANN, farmers, OF BALNE, with George John Yarburgh, to rent lands in Balne on annual basis, at £137 per annum
Wm Hood of Heslington is also linked to the Yarburgh of Heslington, due to Wm Hood holding some of Yarburgh lands.
*** Added: Elizabeth Hood 1717 seems to be listed under a Marriage Settlement list by Hull History Centre [Financial Settlement prior to an intended Marriage, usually to cover her settlement should her Husband die first] in the Greame papers, apparently linked with Yarburgh.
Yarburgh of Heslington also holds lands in various parts of the Parish of Snaith and just discovered Yarburgh of Snaith Hall and G. Cooke Yarburgh mentioned in 1826.
Therefore, I've ordered the full Will Bundle of William Hood of Heslington (rather than just my 1807 Inland Revenue Abstract Copy).
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Clary WALKER first married Jonathan Ranby of Pollington and as Widow she married James Hood, Schoolmaster in 1762 at Snaith. Buried Snaith in 1794 as Clarissa Hood.
And who were witnesses in 1762 Samuel ANLEY (variations of that surname also cropping up often) and the other witness was Samuel Huscroft.
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Previously, traced back the ancestry of the Bell Hotel, Humberstone Gate, Leicester, proprietor's Wife, (where my 2 x Gt Grandmother was a Domestic in 1871, shortly before her Marriage) and the Proprietor's Wife descends from Robinson of Carlton, Snaith. In the same line, there was a Hannah Cooke and Wm Storr witnesses at the 1821 Snaith Wedding of John Robinson and Ann Eddell.
Fotunately, there is an 1839 Will for this John Robinson of Carlton, Widow Ann, the Hotel Wife's ancestor, so ordered that too.
Previously we discovered, in 1830 William Cockin of Snaith married Ann Robinson at Hatfield (William Cooke & John Hepworth were witnesses) and now wonder if they'll be related to this Robinson of Carlton line. Hopefully the Will might link a few, or perhaps the Leicester Hotel Proprietor's Wife was a relative of ours and how my 2 X Gt Grandparents met (the Proprietor's Wife and my 2 X Gt Grandfather both having links with Selby).
My Grandmother mentioned Snaith and Beverley, also Stephenson and Robinson.
So I still remain hopeful!
Mark
*** Elizabeth Hood of Sewerby 1717 was listed as a Will by the Hull History Centre, sorry. Not a Marriage Settlement.
Mark
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1. Fantastic, definitely a link back to Carlton in the Parish of Snaith, from Mary Thomson Wife of the Leicester Hotel Proprietor (where Cecilia Westley worked), linking to Cook / Cooke and Robinson.
What my late Grandmother (late of Leicester) told me about our relations around 47 years ago regarding Snaith and surname Robinson, now looks good ;D and also James Hood of Selby, named a Daughter with COOK as her middle name.
George Hood born Selby 1847 must have known Mary Thomson (Nee Robinson, related to Cook) and met his Wife Cecilia Westley a Domestic at the Bell Hotel, Leicester.
2. In 1891, Emma Hirst, Married, aged 57 [should say 37, per Census either side], born Ledsham, Yorkshire, the Visitor in the 1891 Household of Charles Hood, 30, born Selby, also one leg of her ancestry traces back (via Geo Tindall & Jane Horsfield) and the Snaith Baptism Register on 29th August 1813 Jane Daughter of Thomas Horsefield and Mary ROBINSON, Abode Heck, Labourer.
So the 1891 Visitor at Charles Hood's house was also related to a ROBINSON at Heck, Parish of Snaith in 1813.
3. Or perhaps Henry Abraham Thomson, baptised Jarrow, Durham, 2nd September 1824, Parents Robert and Charlotte McSparran Thomson of West Dean Lodge, Master in His Majestys Navy, have a Hood link?
West Dean Lodge was near South Shields in the Parish of Jarrow.
When his Father Robert Thomson apparently married in Hampshire in 1804, two interesting witnesses at the Portsea, Marriage were Jane COOK and Maria BAKER. Other witnesses were Emily Pakenham Yates and James Vosper.
ADDED: Henry Abraham Thomson is mentioned along with his Brothers/Sisters:- Robert Thomson, Charlotte Watson Wife of Matthew Watson, Paget Thomson, Alexander Thomson, James Thomson, Elizabeth Thomson and Henry Abraham Thomson, in the 1829 Will of Robert Thomson of West Dean Lodge (Durham University North East Inheritance Project database).
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
A bit here by John McSparron
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/betty/168/
As my Father said today, I just need to find/confirm the Hood link (at the earlier George Hood end ::) 1780s).
Mark
Hello
1871 My ancestor Cecilia Westley, born Brentford, was a Domestic at the Bull Hotel, Humberstone Gate, Leicester (who married George Hood, born Selby 1847).
1871, the Bull Hotel, Humberstone Gate, Leicester, Proprietor was Henry Abraham Thomson (born Jarrow) and his Wife, Mary Thomson, was nee Mary Robinson, born Carlton Snaith, Yorkshire.
1858, Henry Abraham Thomson, Hotel Keeper of Leicester and James Cooke, Auctioneer, are mentioned in an Assignment from Richard Lowe.
1851 the couple were at 12 The Park, Lincoln and he was a Spirit Merchant Clerk and Mary Thomson aged 25 was born Carlton, Yorkshire.
1850 Henry Abraham Thomson married Mary Robinson at Carlton Chapel, Snaith.
Tracing Mary Robinson back, Mary Thomson was the Daughter of John Robinson, Farmer & Ann Eddel, and Mary was baptised at Carlton 1st January 1826.
The Marriage of John Robinson of Snaith and Chapelry of Carlton, Bachelor and Ann Eddell, Spinster, by Licence, was on 1st March 1821, in the presence of Witnesses:- Wm Storr; Hannah COOKE and Hannah Eddell.
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Fantastic work as always.
Just wondering: gave you tried a DNA test?
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Fantastic work as always.
Just wondering: gave you tried a DNA test?
Hello Ben and All
No, there is often still an immense amount of paperwork tracing and checking with DNA, if you can get the DNA matches to even respond, with something, to even start checking their lineage or Tree out.
Because over 200 years have passed and with each family generation multiplying like rabbits, you can end up with 1,000s of DNA possibles, so I hear from one Rootschatter. I have all the tools and family knowledge to find the descending relatives in the other Hood lines (three so far, all claiming George Hood of Selby is a total mystery).
Ann Etty
Got a feeling this was spotted by a Rootschatter before for the Ann Etty link.
However, the first Yorkshire ROBINSON Marriage I looked at this evening (on f m p) and who should appear as a Witness - an ANN ETTY
1827 William Darnton marrying Margaret Robinson, wits Ann ETTY & Edward Bowman are at the Terrington, Yorkshire, England, marriage.
For those not following for a while an ANN ETTY of York loaned the Money by way of a Mortage for George Hood to purchase the Nicholson properties at Selby in 1838, George Hood occupying some (with others) and holding the other properties in Trust for James Collinson, until Son William Hood ordered the Sale in 1864.
I am hoping that the first cracks are about to spurt a leak in George Hood's mighty Dam Wall (like the Dambusters in WW 2) and Hood history is about to be made ;D
Mark
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1. Fantastic, definitely a link back to Carlton in the Parish of Snaith, from Mary Thomson Wife of the Leicester Hotel Proprietor (where Cecilia Westley worked), linking to Cook / Cooke and Robinson.
What my late Grandmother (late of Leicester) told me about our relations around 47 years ago regarding Snaith and surname Robinson, now looks good ;D and also James Hood of Selby, named a Daughter with COOK as her middle name.
George Hood born Selby 1847 must have known Mary Thomson (Nee Robinson, related to Cook) and met his Wife Cecilia Westley a Domestic at the Bell Hotel, Leicester.
2. In 1891, Emma Hirst, Married, aged 57 [should say 37, per Census either side], born Ledsham, Yorkshire, the Visitor in the 1891 Household of Charles Hood, 30, born Selby, also one leg of her ancestry traces back (via Geo Tindall & Jane Horsfield) and the Snaith Baptism Register on 29th August 1813 Jane Daughter of Thomas Horsefield and Mary ROBINSON, Abode Heck, Labourer.
So the 1891 Visitor at Charles Hood's house was also related to a ROBINSON at Heck, Parish of Snaith in 1813.
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The Marriage of John Robinson of Snaith and Chapelry of Carlton, Bachelor and Ann Eddell, Spinster, by Licence, was on 1st March 1821, in the presence of Witnesses:- Wm Storr; Hannah COOKE and Hannah Eddell.
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Wm Storr; Hannah Cooke and Annah Eddell, witnessed the 1821 Marriage of John Robinson & Ann Eddell, Carlton in the Parish of Snaith, Yorkshire, England (scribbled research diagram above).
Since posting I have acquired a 19 page article for sale, about William Storr of Hutton Bushell and Scalm Park, Wistow [near Selby], written by Rev. W. Consitt Boulter, M.A., F.S.A. (of which this attachment forms one of the 19 pages). Unfortunately, a poor 100 dpi resolution pdf scan of the 19 pages is still too large to post.
Numerous names, a few surnames later associated with the mystery George Hood of Selby at Wren Lane and the earlier John Hood of Selby, Mariner, are mentioned in the article.
Unfortunately, the only reference to HOOD alias Hudd is under Owners and Tenants of Land at Wistow, 1711-2, which still leaves a gap.
The old article is absolutely full of citation references, including Robinson's *Whitby Gloss., etc., etc., and 2 Daughters of Hall Stephenson of Farlington on the Tree diagram.
*Whitby Gloss., 1855 [Glossary?]
Mark
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and just to put James Hood's parentage here for future reference (obviously only from the Russell side)
Russell Grandparents William RUSSELL and Mary BURTON
Gt grandparents John RUSSELL and Martha HOTCHSON [signed Martha Hodgson]
Edward BURTON and William SILVERWOOD
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Sarah Hood, nee Sarah Russell's Grandmother
10th February 1754 at Drax, John Russell of Selby married Martha HODGSON of Drax, by Banns.
(both could sign their own names and the Church have listed her surname wrong as Hotchson)
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Attachment in the Link
1762, Edward Robinson married Mary Hodgson, both of Snaith and Town of Carlton by Banns
Witnessed by John Cook and Joseph Taylor (Taylor looks to be a churchman)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6745581#msg6745581
Also in the Snaith, Yorkshire, Robinson & Cook(e) diagram is a William Stennitt. William Morley of Snaith, Grocer, married Dolley Stennit of Kingston upon Hull, Spinster, by Licence 15th August 1775 at Snaith, in the Presence of William Stennit and Frances Stennit.
In 1765 John Turner married Ann Russel at Selby and Ann Morley & Goseph Morley were witnesses.
(I wonder if this John Turner later became John Hood's Landlord, from 1781 Selby Land Tax)
1777
These Robinson are linked to COOKE of Rawcliffe, Snaith and John CHESTER and William MORLEY witness the William Cooke, Mariner, Marriage in 1777 to Elizabeth GREEN.
1817 Will of William Cooke of Rawcliffe, parish of Snaith, Gentleman
Will mentions Barbara Chester Daughter of the late John Chester of Selby, William Morley, Joseph Morley his Son, William Morley his Son, Mary Hannah Smith his Daughter, Harriet the Wife Joseph Hodgson of Rawcliffe aforesaid Apothecary and my Cousin Mary Wagstaff. John Meggitt of Rawcliffe and Mary Moody Serv't to Mr Cooke and Shearburn, Att'y at Law Snaith, witness the Will. Joshua Stones was an Executor.
The Meggitt surname appears in the Sarah RUSSELL (Sarah HOOD of Selby after her 1815 Marriage to George Hood) descent marriage/s:- (1784 Mary Russell to Geo Tarbotton & 1796 Henry Popplewell to Marshall. Henry Popplewell was present at the Wm Russell to Mary Burton 1792 Marriage).
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Also interesting - Bridget Nicholson, Wife and Widow of Samuel Nicholson of Rawcliffe, Snaith, Yorkshire, was Bridget Crampton Widow and nee Bridget Hodgson.
18th August 1811 Bridget Hodgson married Robert Crampton at Wakefield by Banns, in the Presence of Sarah Sutcliffe and Thos Hodgson.
27th September 1820 at Selby, Samuel Nicholson, Widower, married Bridget Crampton, Widow by Licence, in the Presence of Wm Dunhill and Jno Dickinson.
1841 At Snaith, Yorkshire, Bridget Nicholson, Widow, of Rawcliffe, married Stephen Nettleton (Father, Geo Nettleton) in the Presence of Abraham Hodgson and William Denby. She gave her Father as John Nicholson, a Waterman.
See Re: 1851 How is Rebecca Russell, Niece in the DUNHILL Household?
Richard RUSSELL a Captain married Mary TURNER, at Selby, 7th July 1835, of the Parish of Selby.)
Mary TURNER was a descendant of John HOOD of Selby, Mariner, via Daughter Maudland Hood who married Charles Turner at Selby 1794.
Wm Dunhill was Creditor and Administrator see Reply # ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=793207.msg6495889#msg6495889
Administration here ...
Re: Capt. Richard Russell & Mary Turner at Selby Abbey Church 7 July 1835 any info?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=792827.msg6709139#msg6709139
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George Hood of Selby with the help of a Mortgage from Ann Etty of York, purchased the Samuel Nicholson properties in 1838, after the Nicholson v. Nicholson, Chancery Case from 1830 to 1838.
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5th February 1832 Samuel Nicholson married Elizabeth Turner at Selby by Licence, witnessed by Isaac Butler and Joseph Milner.
2nd April 1832 at Selby, Samuel Nicholson, Wheelwright and Elizabeth Nicholson, baptise their Daughter Sarah MAUDLAND Nicholson.
Maudland possibly coming from Maudland the Daughter of John Hood of Selby (& Scarborough), Mariner who married Charles Turner.
However, it would appear that Elizabeth Nicholson was buried at Selby 28th January 1834, aged 32 giving her a birth of 1802 and therefore Elizabeth cannot be the Daughter of Charles and Maudland Turner.
Apparently, Samuel Nicholson "of Leeds" married Martha Wellburn 25th November 1834 at Selby, witnessed by Joshua Butterworth and Sarah Collinson.
It seems Sarah Maudland Nicholson was baptised again, as Sarah Nicholson 6th November 1836 in a block baptism at Leeds (omitting the middle name Maudland)?
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Looking at the other Diagram https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804155.msg6623371#msg6623371 (initial post) which also shows a link between the Turner / Grubb descendants of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, to the descendants of George Hood of Selby, marrying a descendant of the same GRUBB ancestors.
Seems there is some family link from George Hood of Selby who married Sarah Russell in 1815, back to John Hood of Selby Mariner?
Mark
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Thank you Claire, for the 1799 information.
In 1799 Mary Stears of Selby, who has the same Father (Thos Stears of Bewholme) as Frances Stears (a witness on Maudland HOOD's Marriage), married JOHN PROCTER of Stockton.
Notice the links to SCARBOROUGH too, in the 1799 Marriage.
John PROCTER's Father Stephen PROCTER was late of Scarborough.
Mary STEARS 1799 marriage is witnessed by Thomas PROCTER of SELBY, [father of William PROCTER of SELBY, also a Flax Dresser] who we know had links with my GEORGE HOOD.
Kind regards Mark
William HOOD is also named as holding premises in Mill Gate, Selby (formerly Beilby Lee of Selby, a Soap Boiler & Bankrupt, late of Hull, then Manchester after Selby). The names & Census suggest corner with Broad Street, Selby (alias Wide St / Micklegate), belonging to Wm Procter of Selby (written 1846).
Late 18th Century Map extract.
As well as owning property in Wren Lane and Gowthorpe, George Hood at death / Executors also occupied property in Water Lane and Church Hill and owning part of Ousegate, Selby, mid 1840s.
Mark
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Hello All
The Pedigree of the Dog of John Hood of Selby, Fellmonger [Tanner, who died 1860 Selby, Yorkshire] crops up in:- The Field, The Country Gentleman's Newspaper of 1876.
Apparently submitted by a mystery J. Hudson, of a mystery address, Cole Hill, Castle Hill, co. Durham
Under Durham
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=824580.msg6879208#msg6879208
Added update: seems the 1876 claim by Mr J. Hudson about the dog's Pedigree was wrong, according to June & October 1857 newspapers about Mr J. Hood's dogs.
Mark
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Township Records, Selby Yorkshire DC/SBU/IX/2/4 Account Book 1815 to 1819
Selby, Yorkshire, 'Overseers of Poor' Accounts up to the new Act (1837), only survive from 1815 to 1819. Earlier Account Books end about 1780.
Pensions
John Hood, buried Selby, 4th April 1819 aged 82 years [the Mariner] received 3 shillings per payment at Selby, Yorkshire, as an 'Out Pensioner' from the first surviving Accounts in 1815 to March 1819, when his payments stop part of the way through a payment period (around the time of his burial) and apparently not residing in the Workhouse, being an 'Out Pensioner'.
In the notes which follow the Selby, Yorkshire, payments, it makes reference to Charles Turner receiving 10 shillings 6 pence expenses towards John Hood's Funeral.
Some did receive more than this figure for a funeral in the Accounts.
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George Hood of Selby
Regarding George Hood, the only new snippets in some recently seen paperwork was that:-
a) his occupation was Professional
b) George Hood of Selby sent someone else to negotiate and make the Agreement to Purchase the Wren Lane, Malt Kiln of John Clarkson's of New Port, Eastrington.
c) George Hood promised to make the payment at the Angel Inn, in Howden.
d) George Hood paid a pretty substantial amount (for 1836) of £510 for the very modest small property of Lord Petre.
e) Edward Parker, Solicitor, prepared a large and extensive 49 page Abstract of Title costing £31 - 16s - 9d in Legal Charges, for Hood's property purchase from Petre at Selby that seemed to cost £50.
f) there is an almost complete Title page fragment torn from an old New Testament Bible and on the reverse are some 18th Century Russell dates including Sarah Russell's and also the William Russell to Mary Burton, marriage and date. Rather interestingly it is marked H1 in different thicker ink and have seen marking like this before on exhibit documents returned from Court.
g) before and about 1836 various named individuals had secured Judgements against Petre in the Court of the King's Bench and the Court of Common Pleas. Seen a newspaper reference previously.
h) it would seem Sarah Russell was prohibited from having a Dower and to receive only an annual sum.
More mystery for me!
Mark
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George Hood of Selby was a "Retail Brewer" (1826 Baptism of Richard Hood at Selby, Yorkshire).
The Conveyance of 15th October 1829 Robert Raby of Barnsley Innkeeper to John Clarkson of New Port in the Parish of Eastrington Yorkshire, Farmer, for a property at Wren Lane, Selby, Yorkshire, says "George Hood brewer of Tom and Jerry Ale" was in adjacent premises.
Hood's modest wealth might be attributed to the fact that a Private Brewer and those under the 1830 Beerhouse Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerhouse_Act_1830 also known as the 'Tom and Jerry Act ' could escape some of the Duty / Tax levied on alcohol sales at the Public House or Inn.
It would appear George Hood payed duty on the Malt but no Duty on the sale.
One point is that George Hood, Brewer is already brewing in 1829 "Tom and Jerry Ale", so although he was previously a "Retail Brewer" and "Brewer" he is onto this, right at the very start of the new 1830 Act.
Mark
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With the help of a very recently purchased 1825 Conveyance (one party being Edward Parker of Selby, Gentleman and the same Solicitor signing my George Hood's 1845 Will) and also the two other Deeds recently seen involving my George Hood of Selby signatures, then it is clear my George Hood was using a Seal of one of the other parties present on those two occasions and also likely in his Will too (where a partial seal is visible on the Will string and that half matches Edward Parker's, the seal against George Hood's Will signature also has the short stub of a tail).
Reply #321 on 29 March 17 (page 36)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6207538#msg6207538
Suggesting my George Hood of Selby did not have his own personal Seal.
Seems Hood's success may have been, being able to brew Tom and Jerry Ale and as a "Private Brewer" without some of the Taxation / Duty costs imposed on the Common Brewer / other Brewers.
George Hood could apparently set up his first Brewery / Malt Kiln, with about £3 to £4 and might have picked it up from Benjamin Russell.
Mark
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Charles Turner (Maudland Hood's Husband), Selby, Yorkshire
I've been looking at the William Walker (23) = Sarah Sefton (19), 25th November 1815 Marriage at Selby, where Charles Turner was one of the witnesses (shortly after the George Hood & Sarah Russell July 1815 Selby Marriage).
If Charles Turner was related to my Hoods (e.g. if Maudland Turner nee Hood was George Hood's Half Sister) then Charles Turner may be signing as a relative, because if the preceding is correct, then Chas Turner might now be related to the Seftons due to Sarah Sefton having Burton ancestry, if those Sefton Burtons are the same Burton family linked to my Sarah Russell (who married George Hood, July 1815).
Sarah Sefton, 1797 Baptism, (Dades Selby Register), it tells the reader to look at p.19 for the Pedigree, this being the 1793 baptism of Alice Sefton at Selby (note in front of me, is Edward Sefton 1779), which all say the Father, Edward Sefton, Watchmaker, married Ann BURTON, Daur of Thos Burton of Selby Joiner by Elizabeth his Wife.
Providing Sarah Russell (George Hood's Wife) is linked to the same BURTONs as the SEFTONs are, then Charles Turner (wife was nee Maudland Hood) is probably / likely signing 25th November 1815 as a relative to George Hood and wife Sarah Hood nee Russell (who married a few months earlier at Selby).
In 1804, a Thomas Burton of Selby, Joiner, died of Decay of Nature, aged 72 and buried in the Church Yard at Selby, Yorkshire.
Walker - Chester, Link
On the Wm Walker, side of the above November 1815 Marriage, it seems there is a CHESTER link (see Wm Chester, 1800, Selby.
I'm wondering now, if any link to Chester Newby as well (George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bondsman).
William Moxon, 1802 Will
Wm Moxon's 1802 Will says William Moxon's sister was Alice MOXON who had married George BURTON Joiner late of Selby (dec'd) and the Will, mentions Thos Burton of Selby, Joiner, dec'd and a William Sefton, Son of Edward Sefton of Selby, Watchmaker, so the Will also ties up with the Sefton baptims.
Incidentally, a neighbouring property in Micklegate, Selby, Yorkshire, (previous to George Hood, being in Wren Lane, but with his Deeds), was owned by George Burton (Joiner) and wife Alice Burton and they agreed to sell in 1783 to William Gaile of Methley, Yeoman.
Nicholson
It may also explain why my George Hood was helping the Nicholson family in 1838, by buying up most of the the Nicholson property at Selby, some in Trust for James Collinson, that the Nicholson's were forced to sell by the Chancery Court 1830 to 1838.
Samuel Nicholson married Elizabeth Turner at Selby in 1832 by Licence and had a child Sarah Maudland Nicholson. I have sent for the Bond & Allegation.
1834 Selby, Sarah Collinson & Joshua Butterworth were witnesses at Samuel Nicholson of Leeds and Martha Welburn, Selby marriage.
I wonder if the Collinsons that my George Hood and later his son Wm Hood were linked to, married into the Nicholson family already? It would explain our involvement (but no direct marriage or family link) with Collinson.
Thank you Claire and Rootschatters for working out much of these bits in past posts.
Mark
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Hello
Further to the above mentioned:- George Burton of Micklegate Selby in the County of York Joiner, his Will was made/written 5th August 1783. He leaves his tools and implements belonging to his Trade to his two Sons Thomas Burton and John Burton. George Burton's Wife was Alice Burton. His premises were occupied by himself and John Gale.
1798 11th November - The Selby Register has an Alice Burton, Widow, aged 98 buried in Selby Church Yard.
1730 George Burton has probably been at Micklegate, Selby, some considerable time it seems (per Wakefield, Yorkshire, England, Reg'n 1730 - Book CC page 395, No 523).
1809 29th September - Edward Burton, Wood Dealer, aged 65, buried Selby Church Yard, I shall have to see who he is.
I am going to see if I can link my Sarah Russell's, Burtons to the Sefton, Burtons.
If the Burtons do link up? Then Charles Turner, witness at the November 1815 Selby marriage is possibly there because he is related to the Burtons & Sefton now by marriage? Since the earlier July 1815 marriage of Sarah Russell (Mother Mary Burton) to George Hood.
Added: (information from Edward Burton & Mary Astley, son's 1786 Selby baptism) Edward Burton of Selby Carpenter so right trade, but Thomas Burton (married to Jane) described as a Roper at that point in 1786, so not quite there yet? Looks promising having a Thomas Burton though?
Mark
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Hello
Stears
Looking at the 1780 Marriage of Edward Burton, Carpenter & Widower to Mary Astley, at Selby.
Those present are Jane STEARS; Eleanor Astley & Matthew Arundel (Matthew Arundel also at Edward Burton, Widower, previous marriage to Sarah Silverwood in 1771).
Possibly interesting because a Frances STEARS a Quaker (with John Rodger & Mary Ann Prince) are present when Charles Turner married Maudland Hood in 1794 at Selby (The two 1815 Marriages previously mentioned have obviously not taken place yet).
Added:
1769 Edward Burton married Ann Blanshard, Selby, those present were Thos Fawthrop & John Weldrick.
Thomas Fawthrop of Selby alias Thomas Fawthorpe is known to me, he was a Cooper by trade and burnt in an accident at Selby and died late 18th Century.
Thomas Fawthorpe of Selby, Cooper, also trained in 1770 John Spencer, believed to be John Hood's Landlord John Spencer, Grocer, 1790 to circa 1802.
Grocers used and sold, storage tubs, wash tubs and buckets made from wood by a Cooper, known as a White Cooper.
Looks like John Hood, Mariner and Daughter Maudland Hood, born Scarborough (and likely my George Hood) knew the Burtons already quite well and my George Hood may have learnt his trade from his Dad's Landlord 1790 to 1802, John Spencer, a Grocer, who died a 'Gentleman' at Selby in 1809.
Mark
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Hello
I feel I have cracked my no circa 1786 Yorkshire baptism ancestor ;D ;D ;D George Hood.
The lines have been traced backward into the 18th century from the 1891 Census 'Visitor' in the household of Charles Hood born Selby, especially those of her husband Joseph Goulton Hirst and backward from the wives of his Father, Oliver Hirst.
His Father Oliver Hirst, Card Maker of Blakelaw (Father, John Hirst, Card Maker) married twice, firstly in 1855 to Grace Sarah Goulton at Selby (Father, William Goulton, Farmer) and secondly at Howden in 1866 as a Widower to Elizabeth Banks, Spinster, from Howden (Father, Edward Banks, Grocer), wits Edw Banks, Sarah Banks & Charles Bowman*
[Yorks Herald, 1 March 1862 confirms Chas Bowman of the Commercial Hotel had previously married another Daughter of Edward Banks, Market Place, Howden]
Two Banks also appear in the 18th Century Wells of Kilpin, Howden, Will, where Wells bequeaths and the Wills give Wells relationship to Hood, Drew, Banks; George Banks and other couples
Richard Hood married Susanna Drew in 1759 and one Drew was linked with Beverley according to one of the Wells Wills.
The evidence points to Richard Hood of Leven and Susannah Drew of Catwick being in my ancestry.
Mark
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I really hope you have cracked this.
Can you find any children to Richard Hood and Suzannah Drew? That could clinch it.
Please keep us informed.
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Hello
I feel I have cracked my no circa 1786 Yorkshire baptism ancestor ;D ;D ;D George Hood.
The lines have been traced backward into the 18th century from the 1891 Census 'Visitor' in the household of Charles Hood born Selby, especially those of her husband Joseph Goulton Hirst and backward from the wives of his Father, Oliver Hirst.
His Father Oliver Hirst, Card Maker of Blakelaw (Father, John Hirst, Card Maker) married twice, firstly in 1855 to Grace Sarah Goulton at Selby (Father, William Goulton, Farmer) and secondly at Howden in 1866 as a Widower to Elizabeth Banks, Spinster, from Howden (Father, Edward Banks, Grocer), wits Edw Banks, Sarah Banks & Charles Bowman*
[Yorks Herald, 1 March 1862 confirms Chas Bowman of the Commercial Hotel had previously married another Daughter of Edward Banks, Market Place, Howden]
Two, Robert Banks also appear in the 18th Century Bartholomew Wells of Kilpin, Howden, Will, where Wells bequeaths and the Will gives Wells relationship to Hood, Drew, Banks; George Robert Banks and other couples
Richard Hood married Susanna Drew in 1759 and one Drew was linked with Beverley according to one of the Wells Wills.
The evidence points to Richard Hood of Leven and Susannah Drew of Catwick being in my ancestry.
Mark
Sorry, I meant to have written Robert Banks recorded in the Will (not George).
Robert Banks [Senior of Kingston upon Hull in Bartholomew Wells, Will] married Ann Tongue 24th November 1750 at Hull.
This looks to be the Wells of Leven / Catwick and Tong link (later Wells of Kilpin, Howden)
28th March 1725 Thomas Wells of St Crux = Elizabeth Tong (at Hull)
2nd November 1726 Elizabeth Daughter of Thomas Wells of Leven, Yeom and Elizabeth his Wife was baptised at Leven.
I really hope you have cracked this.
Can you find any children to Richard Hood and Suzannah Drew? That could clinch it.
Please keep us informed.
Hello Ben and All
One child of Richard Hood & Susanna Drew marriage (married 1759) was William Hood (bapt. 1769 Leven, Yorkshire, England).
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Catwick Baptisms
1796 William Hood the illegitimate Son of Marcy Hepton.
1797 Susannah Hood illegitimate Dau'r of Mace Hepton.
1798 George Son of Mary Robinson base born.
1800 Elizabeth illeg'e Daughter of Mercey Hepton.
Other illegitimate children at Catwick, too.
Wondering if William Hood (baptised Leven 1769) Fathered other children, besides those baptised Catwick 1796 & 1797.
In the Catwick B.T. of 1793 /94 Wm Hood signed as Church warden.
The other Son of Richard Hood & Susanna was Richard baptised 1771 Leven. Richard & Susanna Hood's other children were Daughters baptised Leven.
Mark
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When Robert Banks of Howden married Elizabeth Haigh at Batley in 1786, three Turtons were present witnessing the 1786 marriage and Anne Turton was previously Anne COCKIN.
In 1778 at Amondbury, Old Hallows, William Turton married Anne Cockin.
So a definite COCKIN link on the Orange line below.
There was a James Cockin present at the marriage of my ancestor George Hood to Sarah Russell at Selby in 1815.
But a definite link to Sugar regarding William Wells Plaxton (alias Plaister) in partnership with George Dames at London (see theft case 1820s).
My late Grandmother (Hood side) spoke about Sugar and my late Grandfather (Mum's side) got a Jamaican Nurse (family friend) to bring some cylindrical sticks of sugar back, to show me what it looked like.
There is also a Grace Hood baptised Leven 1762 and one in my 19th Century line has a Daughter named Grace (with middle name Cecilia after her mother). Two of us also carry Richard in our names and my late Grandmother said forenames were taken from my past HOOD generations.
So Richard Hood and Susannah Drew of Leven / Catwick look to be in my ancestry somewhere.
Mark
Update: Very initial early research seems to suggest that the BANKS on the left side of my diagram are linked to Wressle Castle, once occupied or owned by a Plaxton (17th Century).
If a family link (and not just a coincidental purchase or Let) at Wressle can be proved from Plaxton to Banks then the BANKS on the left look to be linked (in the past somewhere) to the BANKS on the right of my diagram.
Sources:
1. John Banks of Howden Hall, Howden, born Selby 1795, Son of James Banks of Selby, Dish Turner (Descent for John Banks in the Selby Register 1795 says see p.35)
Page 35, Betty Banks, born Selby 1793) links him to the Wife of James Banks (Elizabeth Jenkinson of Bramham).
2. Marriage of Miss Emma Banks of Howden Hall, Daughter of John Banks of Howden Hall, has Mr & Mrs W. Banks of Hemingborough Hall and Mrs Banks, Wressle Castle, listed in the family, Goole Times, 11th January 1878.
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But a definite link to Sugar regarding William Wells Plaxton (alias Plaister) in partnership with George Dames at London (see theft case 1820s).
Considerable info regarding Plaxton and Dames families (connected by marriage), including will summaries for both, on Sugarbakers website ...
www.mawer.clara.net/sugarpp.html
www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html
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But a definite link to Sugar regarding William Wells Plaxton (alias Plaister) in partnership with George Dames at London (see theft case 1820s).
Considerable info regarding Plaxton and Dames families (connected by marriage), including will summaries for both, on Sugarbakers website ...
www.mawer.clara.net/sugarpp.html
www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html
Hello Sugarbakers
Thank you for those lists, I thought there would be some more Wills.
I notice the words "Sugarhouse & Cooperage".
1. That suggests they would employ Coopers and would that mean making either Tubs etc., (White) Cooper, or a (Wet / Dry) Cooper who made Barrels etc., for liquids or cereals etc?
My mystery George Hood was a Cooper who appeared to take over the business (about 1811 -1812) of a former Bankrupt Richard Gibson of Selby, Yorkshire, Cooper, who got his Certificate of Conformity in 1810. The Commissioners Bankruptcy File was destroyed, so no help there. However, it was listed in the London Gazette and in the Commissioners Indexes at TNA, Kew. John James, Solicitor of 11 Gray's Inn Place acted.
Below from B 6/15 Certificates 1810 - 1811Volume (TNA, Kew); (B 4/28 Docket Book 1806 to 1808, Richard Gibson, Cooper, Selby, Co. York, "Docquet Struck 21st May" "Commission - 30 May 1807" is a Summary of the parties in the London Gazette, Notice).
"Richard Gibson of Little Britain London
late of Selby in the County of York
Cooper Dealer and Chapman. 6th April 1810 "
2. Regarding the WELLS PLAXTON & DAMES business, have you found any mention with Grenada?
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BANKS surname - General Note regarding my previous post.
I suggested a possible Banks to Banks link.
However, no link found so far between Banks on the left side (linked to John Banks born Selby 1795 later of Howden Hall & James Banks of Wressle Castle, Yorks, England) and the Robert / Edward Banks of Market Place, Howden on the right side of my diagram in my previous post.
Quite a few times now, I'm finding people of the same surname living in the same town 200 years ago and over, seem occasionally to be unrelated or coincidences.
Mark
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There undoubtedly are more family wills for Plaxton & Dames, but I only summarize and add those of sugar refiners.
Regarding coopers - at that time raw sugar was shipped from WI in hogsheads. These were broken open to release the runny, sticky raw sugar at the start of the refining process. I assume, but can find nothing in writing, that the hogshead components were washed and cleaned for reuse, though whether they were assembled again or returned unassembled I don't know. Conical refined sugar loaves were packed into barrels for transporting - dry and wrapped in blue paper.
I've no reference to Richard Gibson cooper.
Regarding Grenada - general info, but nothing by name. Grenada was ceded to Britain in 1763 with 65 plantations and 71 sugar-works, production about 10,000 tons pa. Slaves on sugar properties numbered around 18,000, with a total of some 30,000 on the island. Production peaked in 1828 but quickly fell after emancipation (Deerr). I've no evidence of Dames/Plaxton plantations.
Regarding Banks - see Bankes/Banks on my database, though no connection to Yorkshire listed.
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Thank you Sugarbakers for the information, Mark
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My Grandmother mentioned Snaith and Beverley, also Stephenson and Robinson.
So I still remain hopeful!
Mark
Hello
My word, sometimes family folklore can be quite true (if the documentation survives and can ever be traced), that there was a Court Case regarding property and my late Grandmother mentioning to me about 50 years ago a Robinson family connection. Sadly, most of what she said to me has been forgotten.
3 Geo III
In the King's Court at Westminster with the Final Agreement dated in the Third Year of the Reign of George III, before Charles Pratt // Edward Clive Henry Bathhurst & Henry Gould Justices of the King.
Between John Robinson & John Norham Par[ty] and John Morfitt & Elizabeth his Wife George Burton & Alice his Wife & Thomas Burton & Elizabeth his Wife Deforciants.
Two Messuages, Two Cottages, Two acres of Land, Two Acres of Meadow Two acres of Pasture & common of pasture with the Appurts in Selby whereupon a Plea of Covenant was summoned between them in the same Court ...
So some of what I was told by my late Grandmother and family regarding a Case over property relates to my Burton of Selby ancestry.
Mark
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Funny mentioning 'Richardsons, found registers of the family today in Great Ayton. I also came across a reference to a Hood family buying a home 'the White House' in the 1920's in Great Ayton. This home was rented out in the 1800's to Quaker families.
http://greatayton.wdfiles.com/local--files/individual-houses/White-House.pdf
This then led me to the registers of Great Ayton itself, which has all PR's, NC and Quaker BMDs.
http://greatayton.wikidot.com/parish-registers
The Hood family in the White House can be traced back to the Leonard and Mary Hood that have been touched upon before.
Claire
Thanks for trying Claire and dobfarm
Seems links were made with Leonard Hood to Hull.
Also found an 1813 reference to Thomas Cook living Great Ayton.
Regards Mark
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I am Geoff Hood and i new to this site but have seen references to ellerbeck in a few post, Oral family history handed down is that ancestor Thomas Hood (Weaver) left ellerbeck due to a land dispute . i have Thomas hood born 1780 osmothely died stanton 1816 ( hartlepool )with second wife Ann) trying to work out is this is Ann Clemit and his first wife was maraget Tyerman
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i also remember seeing a george Hood in i think malton monthly quaker records while seaching for clemit , dale and sedgefield, The record noted that he should not be admiited to the Friends ,assume because of his profffession ,though can now only find his buriel not the rejection
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I am Geoff Hood and i new to this site but have seen references to ellerbeck in a few post, Oral family history handed down is that ancestor Thomas Hood (Weaver) left ellerbeck due to a land dispute . i have Thomas hood born 1780 osmothely died stanton 1816 ( hartlepool )with second wife Ann) trying to work out is this is Ann Clemit and his first wife was maraget Tyerman
Hello Geoff
Welcome to Rootschat
I have a few bits and pieces filling pockets in a large folder collected over the decades about unrelated Yorkshire Hoods.
We have been kicking about many HOODs to see who they may relate to (many ruled out and not related to my Hood line). Never assume they are related to my Hood line just because they are mentioned in postings together.
I presume you have already found Thomas Hood, 46, born Ellerbeck, in the 1851 Census with Wife Margaret, it seems to say Parish Cl and I have written at some point he was Parish Clerk.
Regarding Tyerman, you will be interested to know I have a marriage noted ...
24th November 1801 by Banns
William Bell and Mary Hood both of Ellerbeck in this Parish,
by me Rich'd Hodgson, Vicar
William Bell signed
Mary Hood X her mark
In the presence of:-
Benjamin Tyerman
Christopher Hood
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Do you mean 'Stranton', Hartlepool, when you say "Stanton"?
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Not sure if related, a Widow (seems to be born Redcar, Yorkshire) but in the Hartlepool Census
1851 Census Hartlepool
Wells Yard, Elizabeth Hood, Head, Widow, 66, Charwoman, born York, Redcar.
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Thank you for the undated George Hood Quaker reference, where did you find the document linking him to Malton?
Normally Quaker Minutes are usually found in Archives?
Mark
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Hi,
William Bell and Mary Hood are my 5x grandparents
Lyn
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i also remember seeing a george Hood in i think malton monthly quaker records while seaching for clemit , dale and sedgefield, The record noted that he should not be admiited to the Friends ,assume because of his profffession ,though can now only find his buriel not the rejection
See also my reponse yesterday and Snow Queen reply today.
Were you searching the Malton Monthly Quaker records on Ancestry or F M P please or elsewhere? (Some l/h pages are missing on f m p searched so far).
Thank you for the above, interesting you should say Malton Monthly Quaker Meeting, because one possible parent or link to my mystery George Hood of Selby is John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough and Family Search says for Malton Marriages:-
Malton Monthly Meeting was united with Scarborough Monthly Meeting and named Pickering Monthly Meeting in 1789.
Also when my "George Hood of Selby" was refused Membership by the Quakers at York in 1836 (York Quaker Minutes, held at Leeds Brotherton Library, Special Collections) no mention was made in the Selby Quaker Minutes of George Hood's refusal in 1836 (and I thought no mention in the Selby Quaker Minutes was odd).
The remainder is a reminder for easy quick links for me.
Also a James Hood of Scarborough was buried at Old Malton in 1781. Snippet at Reply #92 ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758603.msg6157010#msg6157010
Will Proved shortly after James Hood's death in 1782 transcribed here (top of the page) ref to Sister Jane Wardale, [Abraham Wardle, marriage, alias Abraham Wardell or Wardele (signatures) on marriage] ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=781212.msg6365648#msg6365648
The Firstborn Son of George Hood of Selby, William Hood a Tree relative of mine married Jane Casson in 1851 at Scarborough Register Office and the two witnesses were Goodwill and Wood who can be linked to a couple of possibles, including the Goodwill surname link to Stamper. Stamper and Wood surnames also link to a Hood in the Malton area.
Snippet of their actual 1851 Signatures at Reply #5, here ...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802640.msg6913163#msg6913163
Mark
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Hello Geoff
At Reply #1060 (previous page) I noted a Christopher Hood, present (witness) at the 1801 Marriage linked to Ellerbeck and Benjamin Tyerman and might be worth checking to see if they link to the following Christopher Hood in the 1851 Census? ...
Another Christopher Hood here linked to Ellerbeck ...
1851 Census Brompton, Northallerton, North Yorkshire
Christopher Hood, Head, Marr, 44, Farmer of 80 Acres employing sometimes 1 man, born Yorkshire, Ellerbeck Parish of Osmotherley.
Elizabeth Hood, Wife, Marr, 49, born do. Brompton.
William Hutchinson, Lodger, U, 30, Hand Loom Weaver, born do. Brompton.
James R. Hutchinson, Nephew, U, 17, Hand Loom Weaver, born do. Moulton.
Eliz'th Smith, Niece, U, 15, House Servant, born do. Yafforth.
Thomas Sadler, Visitor, Mar., Hand Loom Weaver, born do. Northallerton.
John Smith, Visitor, U, 13, Agricultural Labourer Son, born do. Yafforth.
Moulton is a small village and civil parish in the Richmondshire district of North Yorkshire, England.
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I wondered how you got to Malton, it might help me find this George Hood reference you saw?
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If your Hood is definitely found to be related to those in the 1851 Census (in this reply) then the following might also be of intetest? ...
Regarding Smith, John Hood, Esq., of Nettleham Hall, Lincolnshire and Lord of the Manor of West Firsby, Lincolnshire, [family linked to Kirkbridge, Yorkshire] had a Smith link.
Anne Smith was the Daughter of Ralph Rob, Esq., of Stirling and had Issue to Hood of Nettleham.
Caledonian Mercury, 30th May 1818
At Topcliffe, by the Rev. W. Allanson, on the 14th ulti-mo, John Hood, Esq. of Yafforth Lodge, to Miss Rob, eldest daughter of Ralph Rob, Esq. of Gristwaite, all in the County of York.
John Hood to Ann Smith Rob 1818, to see if they link up to Hood of Ellerbeck?
Reply #3.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736364.0
Charles Ralph was from Toghe, Togher, County Mayo (see Burke 1862) ...
Charles Ralph Hood mentioned here ... and Nettleham
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=570
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Skipwith Hall link to Hood of Nettleham
I also have an 1830 advert, To Let, Skipwith Hall, Yorkshire (regarding miles it says) Five from Selby. Apply to Mr Hood, Nettleham Hall, near Lincoln. Thorpe and Gray, Solicitors, York.
York Herald, 10th March 1838
JOHN HUTCHINSON, of Skipwith Hall, farmer, was brought up under a rule of Court for rehearing upon his schedule, under which he was discharged about three years ago.
I wonder if Hutchinson of Skipwith Hall might be related to Hutchinson in the 1851 Census in this reply, because Mr Hood was offering the Hall to Let in 1830.
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Coincidences?
I have found when searching thoroughly for a long period, there are lots of surname matching and other coincidences that all need checking thoroughly in the actual Registers or Register images, documents, deeds, Wills etc., to see if they actually link or not.
The Hutchinson link in 1851 is also interesting too, Jonathan Hutchinson in my George Hood's Will (Proved 1846), but again it might be a coincidence.
I also have an 1826 Jacob Smith to Elizabeth Hood marriage at York, seemingly linked to Stamford Bridge, Yorkshire (because a Wells Hood and a Bower were present, interestingly a Rob't Smith and a Wm Wood, Mary Ann Hudson were also present), so one should not jump to conclusions until links are thoroughly made in documents.
So you can see we have discussed two lots of HOODs with Yorkshire links, apparently linked to a SMITH surname.
Just to throw fat on the fire so as to speak, one of my mystery George Hood of Selby, property Registrations, has Smith links too.
Initial investigation of the ancestral lineage (with Wills) of a Visitor in an 1891 household of a known related Charles Hood born Selby, shows green shoots of my George Hood of Selby being linked somehow to Hood of Stamford Bridge, Yorkshire, but having great problems matching Wm Wood's highly distinctive signature to any document elsewhere.
Of course, I haven't a clue if any of the above are directly related to my George Hood of Selby or not (except of course the Charles Hood, mentioned in 1891.
Mark
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68Z4-5STD
Though it a mistake somewhere, the Bt copy of George Hood 1815 marriage original at Borthwick needs a book at to see if the word Scarborough is on the BT marriage.
Even if the mistake is on the 1815 copy about Scarborough the place of the marriage 18 July 1815 -the fact it said Scarborough on a George Hood document in 1815 with him aged 28 written in 1815 /b]
Event Type Marriage
Event Type Note Baptisms, marriages & burials
Name George Hood
Age 28
Residence Place Selby
Birth Year (Estimated) 1787
Spouse's Name Sarah Russell
Spouse's Age 21
Spouse's Residence Place Selby
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1794
Marriage Date 18 Jul 1815
Marriage Place Saint Mary's with Holy Apostles, Scarborough, North Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original) Selby, St Mary, Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Page 25
Source Publication Year Range 1793-1838
Affiliate Name Borthwick Institute for Archives
George Hood's Spouses and Children
Sarah Russell
Spouse
21
Name Sarah Russell
Age 21
Sex U
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Thank you dobfarm
When looking at the Family Search site, it would appear that someone has changed at least three actual Selby Yorkshire, England (Hood surname) events, to Scarborough, on some of the search returns to those Selby events.
The image numbers on Family Search are about two away (in each case) to those in the Bishop's Transcripts F M P online images and belong to the Selby Yorkshire Registers & B.T's.
Mark
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Family Search Digital Folder Number 007587778 image 00138 stated as Bishop's Transcripts for St Mary's Church, Selby, 1746 - 1860 is the B.T. Marriage at Selby (no reference to Scarborough / Scarbro'). The film leader digitised online says Yorkshire Selby Parish Register Trans 1746 to 1860.
The 007587778 mentions Microfilm numbers 0991089 being Bishop's transcripts for St. Mary's Church, Selby, 1746-1860
"Christenings, 1793-1838; Marriages, 1793-1837; Burials, 1793-1837." (From Family Search online)
and
Microfilm number 0991090 Bishop's transcripts for St. Mary's Church, Selby, 1746-1860
"Christenings, 1838-1860; Burials, 1838-1860." (from Family Search online)
Film 991088 covers the period 1746 to 1792 (Bapts, Marriages & Burials)
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The Anc... reference Film 1655799 is dated 19 May 1815.
This 1655799 according to Family Search (online) relates to Marriage Bonds from 1806 and is the Marriage Allegation & Bond dated 16th May 1815 (about two months before they married at Selby).
Mark
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Family search mistake then, though! for Scarborough St Mary to be link to Selby Hood's (Apart from Maudline Hood of Selby) out there is some person linking the (Namely George who up to now has no link to nowhere pre 1812 or other Hood's except may be connected to Quakers pre 1812 ?) Hood's of Selby to Scarborough Hood's
But the end of the day - Scarborough Hood's seem most likely roots of George Hood of Selby and Scarborough Sailor captain John Hood may have docked in Gateshead river port and baptised his son George there. 1786 Bearing in mind most of Gearge's birth year are 1787 +/- 1 Year
Sod All on George Hood Selby pre 1812 and Sod All on George Hood baptised Gateshead of a life after 1786
Thus someone out there linked to familysearch thinks the same.
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Dobfarm
Thanks. You may be interested in the short thread and my latest post here regarding one of the acquaintances of my Selby, Yorkshire, family ...
I have been researching some family acquaintances and some have interesting links to some familiar surnames at Scarborough and Malton, Yorkshire.
Thread:- J. Hudson, Cole Hill, Castle Hill, co. Durham - anyone identify address/person?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=824580.msg7270055#msg7270055
Mark
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I'd stick with George's trades.
Food for thought
Big question is were did George acquirer a (Where did George's money or financial backing come from) financial position to buy the bankrupted cooper business in Wren street Selby.
Apprentice trained Cooper or Tanner or Brewer but in those days only one trade he could been apprenticed trained in under a master of that trade. Thus it looks like George was a cooper apprentice trained under one master or had bought a cooper business of apprentice trained coopers staff working for the business and put his profession down as a cooper being the owner of a cooper/ barrel making business. Therefore followed the same route with his tanning and brewing businesses putting him self down on official documents as Cooper, Tanner, Brewer (but not skilled) but not stating full occupation as a business owner of said business being Cooper business, Tanning business , Brewing business.
Therefore his skills was running a business or small company admin for his last 2 businesses Tanning and Brewing or an apprenticed trained skilled cooper with skill of turning a bankrupt businesses around in to a going concern --- but unlikely
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Hi
Thank you Claire, for the 1799 information.
In 1799 Mary Stears of Selby, who has the same Father (Thos Stears of Bewholme) as Frances Stears (a witness on Maudland HOOD's Marriage), married JOHN PROCTER of Stockton.
Notice the links to SCARBOROUGH too, in the 1799 Marriage.
John PROCTER's Father Stephen PROCTER was late of Scarborough.
Mary STEARS 1799 marriage is witnessed by Thomas PROCTER of SELBY, [father of William PROCTER of SELBY, also a Flax Dresser] who we know had links with my GEORGE HOOD.
Kind regards Mark
William HOOD is also named as holding premises in Mill Gate, Selby (formerly Beilby Lee of Selby, a Soap Boiler & Bankrupt, late of Hull, then Manchester after Selby). The names & Census suggest corner with Broad Street, Selby (alias Wide St / Micklegate), belonging to Wm Procter of Selby (written 1846).
Late 18th Century Map extract.
As well as owning property in Wren Lane and Gowthorpe, George Hood at death / Executors also occupied property in Water Lane and Church Hill and owning part of Ousegate, Selby, mid 1840s.
Mark
Hi Mark
I came across your post while looking for pre-OS maps of Selby and see you have shared a portion of one from the late 18th. Please could you point me to the source so that I can have a look at the full version?
Also, by some sort of serendipity, in the same post you mention the Proctor family. This is a family I have come across in the papers of the York Retreat (Quaker Asylum). In case you're not already aware, John PROCTOR (1799-1854), the son of John PROCTOR (1766-1837) & Mary STEARS (1761-1843) was admitted to the York Retreat in 1826, shortly after marrying Jane SPENCE (1800-1870) in 1824. Of particular interest to family historians are the letters to The Retreat from patient's families. The Proctors were quite prolific in their correspondence, and John was resident at the Retreat for most of his life. More details can be found in the Borthwick Institute catalogue https://borthcat.york.ac.uk/index.php/ret-1-5 (https://borthcat.york.ac.uk/index.php/ret-1-5) , and the images are available from Wellcome https://wellcomecollection.org/works/g522gcy8 (https://wellcomecollection.org/works/g522gcy8)
(Apologies if my post doesn't appear as it should - it's my first!)
kind regards
Paul
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Hello Paul
Thank you for your interest and information about paperwork regarding the Retreat.
Convalescent or homes with 'Retreat' in their names were often Quaker establishments.
1790
An Act for building a bridge over the River Ouse at Selby [Local Act of Parliament 31 Geo III c.lx]
Your interest in the map has thrown up names Theodosia Hudson of Brayton and John Christopher Burton Dawnay, as Viscount Downe. [Called Baron Dawney in England].
I wondered who Viscount Downe was.
1763 St James, Picadilly
Rt Hon John Viscount Downe married
Lora Burton of this Parish at the dwelling house of the Hon. William Burton Esq in Clifford Street by Special Licence. Present:- Wm Burton; E Hildyard & Jas Dupres[?]
In my wider tree the Hudson surname features by marriages, along with Abraham Hodgson, Gentleman of Kingston upon Hull (Abraham M Hodgson on the probate listing).
The 1790 Act features in the North Yorkshire County Record Office Blog
https://nycroblog.com/2020/09/10/selby-toll-bridge/
Mark