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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jumpinjackflash69 on Saturday 22 October 16 06:52 BST (UK)
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Hello Chatters,
This is new to me so hope I'm doing this in the right place.
I am searching for a Great Great grandfather, his name was James O'Neill born Dublin Irealand according to marriage certificate married Mary Jane Hitchcock 1887. Certificate states father john O'Neill mother Mary Castigan, they had
Mary Ellen b 1883 m Donald Marrs
Jane Catherine b 1884 m a man surname Watt
Rose Helena b1886 m man surname McElroy
William John b 1888 m Mary Sailsbury (my Great Grandparents )
Harry James b1891
Arthur Gerald b 1895
I cannot find his death anywhere his wife and children are nearly all buried at Coburg Cemetery but him i cant find anywhere, any help would be gratefully appreciated i have scoured trove newspapers, digger cd and I'm an amateur so any help
Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue :)
Welcome to rootschat.
Could you please post his age and occupation from the marriage certificate please.
Cheers
Cando
Edit to add to the request
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Hello Sue and welcome to rootschat too.
Can't help yet with James, but just to add these marriages in Vic for the children:
Mary Ellen ONEILL m Richard Donald MARRS 1902 (reg no 1905)
Jane Catherine ONEILL m James Michie (Michael?) WATT 1903 (1315)
Rose ONEIL m James George Charles MCELROY 1906 (1451)
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Hi Sue, and Welcome - will get easier
So far have found this..
Mary’s 1st Marriage.
Name Mary Jane Hitchcock
Spouse Name William Mcleod
Marriage Place Victoria
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Year 1878
Registration Number 3880
Mary’s 2nd Marriage
Name James Oneill
Spouse Name Mary Mcleod
Marriage Place Victoria
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Year 1881
Registration Number 5814
Mary’s Death
Name Mary Jane Oneill
Birth Year abt 1854
Age 75
Death Place Heidelberg, Victoria
Father's Name Wm Jno Hitchcock
Mother's Name Sarah Jane Spratley
Registration Year 1929
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Number 10045
** found her Birth
Mary’s Birth
Name: Mary Jane Hitchcock
Birth Date: Abt 1854
Birth Place: Pent, Victoria
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: John Hitchcock
Mother: Sarah Jane Spralley
Registration Number: 3105
regards
Val
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her death on Trove doesn't mention much..
O'NEILL-The Friends of the late Mrs MARY JANE O'NEILL are informed that her remains will be Interred in the Coburg Cemetery. The funeral will leave her residence 35Rossmoyne-street, Thornbury, THIS DAY ( Wednesday ), 28th August, at 1 p.m. J.FERGUSON and SON, Funeral Directors,
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Hi Sue,
Welcome from me too :)
The memoriam notices for Mary Jane are more informative
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203035625
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204098258
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205529890
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204379580
And here is death of her eldest son George HITCHCOCK in 1925
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155554407
Ros
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Trying to narrow James death down a bit - he's not mentioned in the obit for Mary's son George from her first marriage in 1925, so possibly before Feb 1925.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155554407
(Added: Snap Ros!)
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The Age Mon 8 Sept 1913 – no mention of father James O’Neill..
O'Neill.— On the 7th September, at the Melbourne Hospital, Arthur Gerald, the beloved youngest son of Mrs. Mary Jane O'Neill, of .8 Warr’s -Avenue, South Preston, aged 18 years. Deeply regretted.(He was born 1895)
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Link to the funeral notice in The Age 28 Aug 1929.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204098260
Mary Jane possibly lived in the Preston, Northcote, Thornbury area from 1903 and she had occupation as charwoman and HD. If it is the correct Mary Jane then she was no James O'NEILL at the same address.
So we are searching for any information about him from around the time of the birth of their last child in 1895 to 1903 when Mary Jane appears on the electoral roll as a charwoman.
Cando
Edit to add link to notice in The Age 8 Sep 1913
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197480508
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Sue the Victorian BDM's are online. Just saves loading separate CD's if you are searching that way.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
The online databases on subscription only websites have been found to have omissions and errors.
I'll have a search through some of my Victorian resources which are not available online. Not a quick process :)
Cheers
Cando
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** found her Birth
Mary’s Birth
Name: Mary Jane Hitchcock
Birth Date: Abt 1854
Birth Place: Pent, Victoria
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: John Hitchcock
Mother: Sarah Jane Spralley
Registration Number: 3105
regards
Val
It is probable the mother's maiden name was SPRATLEY.
That is what it is recorded as on the other 7 HITCHCOCK births.
I am searching to find a death for William McLEOD between 1878 and 1881.
Mary Jane had another little one in 1875
HITCHCOCK Walter
Father U
Mother Mary Jane HITCHCOCK
Birth Place HOTH
Year 1875
Reg 17721
An early death-
HITCHCOCK Walter
Father U
Mother Mary Jane HITCHCOCK
Age 6M
Birth Place HOTH
Year 1876
Reg 949
Sue
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might have go look for his parents Mary Costigan & John O'niell..
Wonder if he's the one born 1863 who spend more time at the courtesy of Vic Gov Gazettes in jail for various things, regularly from 1895 onwards - was in for 3 months for larceny in 1895... would make sence why Mary cuts him out of the family...
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Sue [OP] have you used searching wildcards on the CD's. His name may have been transcribed incorrectly.
I wonder if this is your man. On online tree has his birth as 1841, Ireland.
O'NEIL James
Criminal records
Born 1841 Antrim
Victorian prisoners index c.1850-1900 (males) VPRS 515/13. Page#09052
Comment - Per Escort from California to Victoria 1865 [+ 15/267]
I need to cook our evening meal :) Many prisoner records are digitised at PROV.
Cando
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Blimey you people are amazing, i also found the obit for arthur gerald also about 30mins ago purchased his death certificate states father as James oneill and no ive seen Mary O'neills grave hes not there. Hes 40 and a labourer and she was 27 on there marriage certificate cant understand the writng on her occupation and THANK YOU
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Sue [OP] have you used searching wildcards on the CD's. His name may have been transcribed incorrectly.
I wonder if this is your man. On online tree has his birth as 1841, Ireland.
O'NEIL James
Criminal records
Born 1841 Antrim
Victorian prisoners index c.1850-1900 (males) VPRS 515/13. Page#09052
Comment - Per Escort from California to Victoria 1865 [+ 15/267]
I need to cook our evening meal :) Many prisoner records are digitised at PROV.
Cando
Hi Cando
How would i got about accessing those records
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O'NEIL James
Criminal records
Born 1841 Antrim
Victorian prisoners index c.1850-1900 (males) VPRS 515/13. Page#09052
Comment - Per Escort from California to Victoria 1865 [+ 15/267]
Cando
9052 is the prisoner number. Born in Antrim 1841, groom and sailor, single, no relatives in the colony, alias Alexander McKEEGAN. It seems they thought he was the same person as Thomas REARDON but the personal details are almost completely different - born Dublin 1833, arrived on the Fairy Queen in 1862, a sailor. Unfortunately the second record doesn't have a photo to compare, so who knows. All of these are for crimes between 1871 and 1875.
Just put 9052 in the search box here:
http://beta.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/justice-crime-and-law/register-male-and-female-prisoners-1855-1947
When name searching do not use the apostrophe, just type Oneill.
Debra :)
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Sorry I missed your last post Sue. Thanks Debra...that one eliminated.
Don't have time today to search for the elusive James.....many others are sure to help :)
I wish we had James' occupation. Have you any birth certificates for the children?
Cheers
Cando
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So when James married in
1887 1881 he said he was aged 40. Is that correct?
Edit - I see the year was 1881 not 1887 as in the first post.
Debra :)
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Hi Debra
Sorry i had to get the certificate out 29th October 1881 Gore st Fitzroy and it states he was 40 she was 27 and a widow
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Hello Sue,
James O'Neill was my Great Great Grandfather (his wife being Mary Jane nee Hitchcock). I found it very difficult to track him down, along with some of Mary Jane's history but with some help I have worked out a fair portion of it. The breakdown of the relationship still eludes me....
My Grandmother was a MARRS, her mother being Mary Jane's daughter Mary Ellen.
Happy to exchange what information I have.
How are you related?
Geoff
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Hi Geoff,
So Mary Ellen Marrs Nee O'Neill and my Great Grandfather William O'Neill were siblings, I have nothing on James O'Neill other than the information on his and Mary Janes marriage Cert, so any information you have would be great.
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Ok so i found James O'Neill buried as a pauper no family in a cemetery in Heidelberg Victoria. There was a post regarding incarceration i cant find the relevant web sites was wondering if somebody could attach links so i could read would be interested to see if this was the reason for the estrangement.
Thanks
Sue