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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: OnTheRoad on Wednesday 09 November 16 04:51 GMT (UK)
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I would be very grateful for some local input to my questions below, as I am living in Australia and cannot just pop in for a look around ::)
In the 1891 Census, I have found a number of my family members living at 6 Knoll Terrace in the hamlet of Clydach in the Rhondda in Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire. I am curious to try and locate this on the map however when I enter Knoll Terrace, I am always directed to Tonypandy which seems quite a long way from Clydach. I realise that boundaries change over time but am hoping someone can explain whether it is the same place or not.
I also understand that people probably lived in fairly cramped conditions back then, but it seems my great grandmother was living with her husband and their three children. However her parents were also living in the same house with their four young children as well as three boarders. I am really curious as to the size of the house and wonder whether there is a way to find information on this somewhere.
As always, all assistance and advice is very welcome.
Thanks in anticipation.
Cherryl
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If you look at the first page of the enumeration district there is a description of the ED in terms of roads with underneath in brackets (Tony Pandy) There is a Clydach Vale to the west of Tonypandy on modern maps
Street names included in the description of the enumeration district include Pandy Terrace, Court (Cwrt) Terrace which can be found on this 1870's map. http://maps.nls.uk/view/102342526#zoom=5&lat=7407&lon=9528&layers=BT
Knoll Terrace is shown in this late 1890's map http://maps.nls.uk/view/102183264#zoom=4&lat=2865&lon=1930&layers=BT
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Thank you for the prompt response, Kay99. It is really interesting to see these old maps but I am not familiar with the area. Does this mean that the present day Knoll Terrace in Tonypandy is the street where my ancestors lived?
Thanks again.
Cherryl
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I would think so. The other street names seem to have changed and the properties on the Knoll Terrace have also changed
Kay
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Hi, yes it is the same location, but the current houses where built around the 1960's I think.
It lies between Tonypandy (which is the main town) and Llywnypia. It is set on the side of a mountain.
Further up from it, still on a mountain, would be Blaenclydach and then further up Clydach Vale.
http://archive.rhondda-cynon-taf.gov.uk/index.php?a=Home&WINID=1478722429706
Some old photographs of area. Hit collections then Rhondda.
Cas
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Welsh newspapers online
http://newspapers.library.wales
Click on link, put "knoll terrace" (include the " " as part of the search key) in the Search box. Returns 44 hits - some of which may be "your" Knoll Terrace.
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Thank you so much, Kay Cas and Hannes - very much appreciated. This will keep me busy for a while :)
Cherryl
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I have the local large cemetery index. Just for info.
If you give me names will have a look, when work allows, to see if your folk there
Cas
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Thanks, Cas.
The family members that may have passed on while living at 6 Knoll Terrace are John William Mitchell (1865 - 1891) and his son Charles (1890 - 1891). John's wife Clara (my great grandmother) remarried in due course and moved away.
Clara's parents (George (1844 - 1896) & Sarah Ann (1845 - 1929) Brake) remained at 6 Knoll Terrace though with Clara's younger siblings (Elsie, Henrietta, William and Elizabeth Brake). I have not researched any of them yet though ;).
Thanks
Cherryl
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Trealaw Cemetery (Llethrddu)
All in plot N405
Burial number 3549 John Mitchell age 27 1891
Burial number 3667 Charles Mitchell age 14 mths 1891
Burial number 3949 Rose Mitchell age 9 days 1892
Seems Clara was pregnant when John died, so much tradegy
There was a family history dept at Treorchy library, but I think it is now held in Aberdare library, if you email the burial details and request the interment records, they used to send free via email. Not sure if still do, but worth a go for poss date of death, signature of plot owner etc.
Will have a look at the others in the morning.
Cas
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I am very impressed, Cas. I had no idea about baby Rose - as you say, that is truly tragic. Clara remarried and went on to have another six children. It is so hard to imagine the lives that these people lived.
I have also realised that my grandfather on my Dad's side was buried in Trealaw Cemetery - his name at death was John Angus Hood and he died in 1936. I am waiting on a copy of his death certificate from GRO as his birth name was John Matthew O'Leary (born in Dublin in 1866), then he became John Matthew Webb when his mother remarried around 1871, and in the early 1900s he became John Angus Hood (no-one knows why!). He was interred on 26 April 1936 in grave number U182 at a depth of 7 feet.
Thanks again for your assistance.
Cherryl
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Trealaw Cemetery
Plot N305
Burial 6519 George Brake age 51 died 1896
Burial 38184 Sarah Ann Brake age 82 died 1930
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Only 8 people, above included, with the surname Brake on Trealaw Cem index
Only 1 with surname Hood, same details you gave
Cas
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Thanks again, Cas. I have sent an email to the Aberdare Library and hope I hear back from them with more information. Thanks for the tip ;)
Regards
Cherryl
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Forgot to mention, on iPad unable to search for others in same plot with different surname, could on PC, but crashed and died. So there maybe others related. Curious how the Brakes are buried in a plot that numbers before the Mitchells. George Brake died 5 yr after John Mitchell.
Also from the library I had electrol info for mine, as long as you have address and they are of voting age.
Good luck with info, let me know how you get on.
Cas
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I wonder if Knoll Terrace had another name. This is from the Pontypridd Chronicle and Workman's News of 6th November 1891 - al the details fit your John
On Friday, a man by the name of John Mitchell, residing at 6, Club Row, Llwynpia, died instantly whilst engaged with his work as a labourer in Clydach Vale Yard. Mitchell was 27 years of age, and a native of Somersetshire. On the previous evening he was in a pleasant humour at home with his wife and three children, and on Friday morning left for his work equally as cheerful. However, in the afternoon he breathed his last quite unexpectedly and his sudden demise cast a gloom over the district. He was of a quiet disposition, and was a resident of Llwynpia for some years.
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Thanks Mabel. That seems to be my John as he died on 30 Oct and the newspaper article is a week later. I was wondering that so many people were living at 6 Knoll Terrace but perhaps John and his family were just visiting his wife's parents on census night. That makes sense to me.
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Thanks again Cas for the library tips. I have obtained the Mitchell burial records and now have a contact at the library and will follow up with him on the Brake family and also the electoral roles. Will let you know how I go ;)
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Hi I am new to this but I live in court st tonypandy on the right side going up knoll terrace was to my right it's still named knoll terrace but the original houses were knocked down around the 60s it is in between a street called danygraig terrace which is either side I have a mate who lived there when he was a kid if he has any info I will pas it on if you go on google maps and put in search knoll terrace tonypandy you should be able to view on satellite view which will show all the streets close by ok
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Welcome to RootsChat and thanks for the information. I am on the move at the moment but I'll follow up when I next get a good internet connection. It all helps to build a picture :)
Good luck with your research.
Regards Cherryl
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I lived with my parents and grand parents at 8 Knoll Terrace from 1962 - 1966. My parents got their own house in 1966 and we moved. My grandparents were then temporarily rehoused in Penrhys whilst old Knoll Terrace was demolished then they moved back in to the new Knoll Terrace once it was built. The old houses had two downstairs reception rooms (the front room was kept for special occasions only). We would spend all our time in the backroom which had a tiny scullery off it. My Nanna cooked on the fire and our toilet (ty bach) was a shed in the steep back garden. I remember that the front door was always open in old Knoll Terrace and my Nanna was always chasing sheep out from the passage. The houses also had infestations of 'black pats' and mice egh!
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Thank you for sharing your story with me - it adds context to what I have been able to research. I remember visiting my father's uncle and family in Eleanor Street, Treherbert many times in the late 1950s and early 1960s and I think the house would have been similar. My Dad's uncle worked in the mines and walked home covered in coal dust at the end of his shift. Us kids had to go out and play while he had his bath in the scullery. Hard to imagine these days.
Thanks again :)
Cherryl