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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: Freya Ellingsen on Saturday 12 November 16 13:29 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on Margaret Bell b.abt 1843 Co. Louth Ireland, she married a John Curran b.1842 from Co. Fermanagh, they married in Australia in 1865. Other info we do know is that Margaret's father was a William Bell her mother was Mary Little.
Thanks,
Fran
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later sisters
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iuh/
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on Elizabeths birth father is a sub constable
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03553/2308256.pdf
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From Louth RC parish registers, difficult to see but definitely there once you acclimatize (though not sure about the sponsors' surnames), zoom in on right page near top, under the heading 'December' (1841), 3rd entry down, against a partially obliterated '8' (ie. 8th December):
Margaret of William Bell & Mary Little
SS Patk G(arvey?) & Margaret Cu(?)
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632611#page/78/mode/1up
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Again from Louth RC parish registers and much easier to read, the marriage on 22 February 1841 of William Bell and Mary Little (left page, 4th entry down):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632611#page/213/mode/1up
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on Elizabeths birth father is a sub constable
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03553/2308256.pdf
From Kilsaran RC parish registers, here's the record for Elizabeth's baptism on 7 October 1865 (right page, 6th entry down):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632603#page/44/mode/1up
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William Bell Retired RIC and daughters 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Castlebellingham/Castlebellingham/1564625/
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Agnes Bell born 21 March 1869:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03409/2250455.pdf
... and her baptism on 22 March 1869 (right page, 3rd entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632603#page/50/mode/1up
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From Ardee RC parish registers, baptised on 18 July 1843, Michl. Bell of Wm. & Mary Little, the address was Castle Street (left page, 9th entry down):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632470#page/94/mode/1up
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William Bell death 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05531/4550493.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/ebe5c810780142
Informant son Mathew
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Castlebellingham/Castlebellingham/906306/
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From Ardee RC parish registers, baptised on 1 March 1845, Wm. Bell of Wm. & Mary Little, the address was Castle Street (left page, 1st entry under heading 'March 1845'):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632470#page/101/mode/1up
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From Ardee RC parish registers, baptised on 15 February 1847, Mary Anne Bell of Wm. & Mary Little, the address was John Street (left page, 3rd entry down):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632470#page/110/mode/1up
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Mary Bell death 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06081/4734626.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/90949412385154
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From Ardee RC parish registers, baptised on 15 May 1849, John Bell of Wm. & Mary Little, the address was John Street (right page, 17th entry down):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632470#page/117/mode/1up
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Marriage of Agnes Bell and Edward Carron 1907.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10089/5670441.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/2af72b7208237
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Castlebellingham/Castlebellingham_Town/906506/
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From Kilsaran RC parish registers, baptised on 11 September 1853, James of William Bell & Mary Little, the address was C. Bellingham (right page, 7th entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632603#page/19/mode/1up
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From Kilsaran RC parish registers, baptised on 5 October 1860, Mathew Bell of William & Mary Little, the address was Castlebellingham (right page, 5th entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632603#page/34/mode/1up
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From Kilsaran RC parish registers, baptised on 25 September 1863, Bridget Bell of William & Mary Little, the address was C Bellingham (left page, 6th entry down from top):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632603#page/41/mode/1up
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To recap and summarise so far the childrens' baptisms for William Bell and Mary Little who got married in 1841:
- Margaret 1841;
- Michael 1843;
- William 1845;
- Mary Anne 1847;
- John 1849;
- James 1853;
- Mathew 1860
- Bridget 1863;
- Elizabeth 1865;
- Agnes 1869.
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Mathew Bell marriage 1898 to Mary Stokes
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/da236b7439645
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Death of Bridget Bell 1929 daughter of RIC Constable informant Kate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/fbde9d9259762
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Death of Catherine Bell 1935 daughter of RIC pensioner informant Edward Carron.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4cb2629014253
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Possible candidate for William, son of Mathew Bell and Mary Stokes, this one from Lynns Castlebellingham, marrying Elizabeth Maguire in 1925:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09139/5305403.pdf
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Using gaffy's list
To recap and summarise so far the childrens' baptisms for William Bell and Mary Little who got married in 1841:
- Margaret 1841; moved to Aus married 1865 John Curran
- Michael 1843;
- William 1845;
- Mary Anne 1847;
- John 1849;
- James 1853;
- Mathew 1860 married 1898 Mary Stokes
- Bridget 1863; never married died 1929
- Elizabeth 1865;
- Agnes 1869. married 1907 Edward Carron
and Kate never married died 1935
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Possible candidate for Margaret, daughter of Mathew Bell and Mary Stokes, this one from Lynns Castlebellingham, marrying Patrick Crosby in 1927:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1927/09104/5293147.pdf
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Wonder could Elizabeth and Kate be the same person?
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Julia Bell born 1911 to parents Mathew Bell of Lynns and Mary Anne Stokes:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01529/1620154.pdf
Patrick Bell born 1914 to parents Mathew Bell of Lynns and Mary Stokes:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01403/1577039.pdf
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Possible marriage for William, son of Edward Carron and Agnes Bell in the 1911 census ...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Castlebellingham/Castlebellingham_Town/906506/
... to Mary Murphy in 1936:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08914/5223951.pdf
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Edward Carron and Agnes Bell had a daughter Honoria in August 1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01519/1616742.pdf
A Honoria Carron with the right location and father married Francis Newton in 1937:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1937/08904/5220142.pdf
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Edward Carron 1334 attested to the 3rd Btn Royal Dublin Fusileers 22nd Feb 1893
address 44 Upr Wellington St,Dublin or Castlebar Co Mayo age 18 ? a watchmaker in the employ of Mr Byrne 9 Trinity St
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Many thanks u wonderful people ;D
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Very nice to read all of the above.
I am a descendant of the same Little family who had a homestead in Darver, Louth from around the 1760s until 1880s or so. The last of the male Littles in that area was my great-great-grandfather, Thomas Little who died shortly after 1911 census and was living in Cuillenstown with his grandchildren (Reilly). I estimate that Mary Bell (nee Little) father was Michael Little, my 3rd great grandfather.
I was contacted yesterday evening by a gentleman in Australia who is a great grandson of Mary and William above. By this estimate he is a 4th degree cousin. My great grandfather Peter Little , son of Thomas Little of Darver (born 1851) left Darver for a career in the Irish Postal service from 1874 - 1912. He named his house in Serpentine Avenue , Ballsbridge "Darver" in honour of his love for his place of birth and rearing. I am interested in hearing from the relatives on this thread. I have many of the parish baptismal records from Darver. I also connected a branch of the Littles in Ardee to our Darver people via a marriage record and I have met some living relatives of those Littles who moved on to Pennsylvania in times close to the great famine.
Kind regards,
Ian Little
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My Name is Les Wellins , from Australia, I believe Margaret Bell was a sister to my Grandmother, Elizabeth Bell who's parents were William Bell and Mary Little who came from Louth, Ireland. Should you wish to Contact me, my email is (*)
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Hi Freya , Les
I am just replying to ensure that I have the 2 posts necessary to exchange private messages to allow contact between us relatives !
I've been in touch with Les via Facebook and now Skype.
I live in the West of Ireland now but I grew up in Dublin.
My great grandfather also used Castlebellingham from time to time in terms of his postal address.
I believe that was possibly because that was the "postal district" as opposed to Darver/Dromiskin.
Another area my father spoke about was Readypenny , which is a more contemporary name for a townland not far from where the Little homestead was.
I've got land records from the valuation office in Dublin which show the succession of leasors of the properties which the Littles farmed from around 1853 to the 1970s. The farm went out of Little leaseholding around 1880s when one of the inheritors, a James Little died and it passed to his wife who was Little by marriage but born Carroll. It then past to other people during the time when finally Catholics could actually opt to purchase the land which they were forbidden from owning due to the various Land repeal acts. Ironically the Littles and Bells started out life as Protestant religion which would have given them rights to own land. However , I believe they were only starting to be in a position to have such income in the late 1700s and then they independently converted. I suspect that in terms of marriage options they were closer in the social stratum to their Catholic neighbours and that's what resulted in them converting to Catholicism. We have a William Little on the 1766 Religious census as one of only 9 or 10 Protestants in Dromiskin area of Louth. Then in 1789 my 4th great grandfather William Little married Catherine Holdcroft in the Darver Catholic parish and all children henceforth were brought up in the Catholic religion.
Freya - lovely to hear from you - I will reply to your PM
Talk soon,
--Ian