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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: MitchMem on Saturday 26 November 16 11:59 GMT (UK)
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Contrary to what others might think, the husbands & sons of Mitcham's travelling people fought and died in the Great war 1914-18. I don't think I've ever seen recognition of, or a tribute to, this group of individuals.
I think these names on the memorial were from the travelling community:
Frederick Scott - thought to be married to Naomi Mills, a daughter of Aaron and Flora Mills - she was born in Wilford Road Croydon circa 1887
Edward Marney - b. 1898 Epsom area, son of Edward & Ellen Marney.
John James - b. 1895 , son of Arthur James and Ocean Draper(?), from Queen's Road Mitcham.
Leonard Dixie - b. 1896 in Mitcham, son of Edward & Ann Dixie, from Eastflelds Mitcham.
Walter Bowers - b. 1874 in Sussex, married to Maud Mary Punter, son of Roda Bowers. Walter was an old solider who had served with the East Surreys between 1894-1906.
Frederick Matthews - b. 1898 Wandsworth, son of Fred and Scinney/Sunnie Matthews - his mother's name was I think Sinamenta Cooper.
Christopher Matthews - b. 1894 details as above. Family from Seaton Road, Mitcham (A third brother Henry was known to have been in the war and survived)
Arthur Gardener - b. 1899, son of William and Louisa Gardener, he was a "golf caddie" before the war.
John Gardener - b. 1892, details as above. He was a "golf caddie" too.
I think nightnurse51 is the person who could help with some of the these names, but
any information about these individuals and their families would help to get them the recognition they deserve.
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Matthews family in 1901
Address: Known As Caravans Thereon, 60, Wardley Street, Wandsworth, London
Frederick Matthews Head 39 Flower Hawker Wimbledon, Surrey
Sunnie Matthews Wife 35 Epsom, Surrey
Joney Matthews Son 15 Mitcham, Surrey
Henry Matthews Son 12 Mitcham, Surrey
?ramunn Matthews Daughter 8 Mitcham, Surrey
Crissey Matthews Son 6 Wandsworth, Surrey
Frederick Matthews Son 4 Wandsworth, Surrey
William Matthews Son 2 Wandsworth, Surrey
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Frederick Matthew's birth:
MATTHEWS FREDERICK mother's maiden name COOPER
1897 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH
Volume 01D Page 711
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Yes, that's the Matthews family I'm looking for, they were in Seaton Road by 1911.
Fred and his wife were at 14 Seaton Road until around 1930.
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I'm afraid you will have to remove the information from the 1911 census as due to copyright we can't post it on here.
What sort of information are you looking for?
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I'm afraid you will have to remove the information from the 1911 census as due to copyright we can't post it on here.
What sort of information are you looking for?
1911 data Deleted as requested.
Information that confirms connections to known members of the Travelling community, any family stories, or background relevant to the Great War period. I have most of the census and BMD data that is easliy found for these individuals but I'm not aware of the inter-family relationships or connections to travellers outside the Mitcham area, e.g. families in Wilford Road Croydon.
I will contiune to search the forum for pervious posts that might mention these families.
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Hi MitchMem
You needed to amend the 1911 details you posted as that was a complete a copy and paste from a subscription site, but as you started the topic you can post your own transcriptions from the 1911 census.
What you cannot do is ask for 1911 census lookups and for other people to post 1911 onto your topics.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355485.0
Take a look at our guidelines for posting for more information
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
Dawn
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Hi MitchMem
You needed to amend the 1911 details you posted as that was a complete a copy and paste from a subscription site, but as you started the topic you can post your own transcriptions from the 1911 census.
What you cannot do is ask for 1911 census lookups and for other people to post 1911 onto your topics.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355485.0
Take a look at our guidelines for posting for more information
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
Dawn
Thanks for the clarification. I missed the posting guide ...
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New members are usually very enthusiastic when they join here, post and get lots of replies.
The site can be overwhelming as it's huge now compared to way back when, a victim of its own success, but there is usually lots of advice if you can find it.
Good luck!
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hi
frederick scott was born 1883, he was the son of frederick scott and jermimah matthews, he is my 1 st cousin 3 x removed, do have info on the family it helps, his cousins were the matthews above through his mother jermima matthews.
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Hi
I have information to pass on re Frederick Scott ;-
He married Naomi Mills in St Marks Church Mitcham in August 1915 he was in the Royal Fusiliers.
There were a couple of candidates on the war graves site but a kind researcher looked up the records held at Surrey & we managed to pin him down. He is recorded in the volunteers record for April/June1915 Rgt - Royal Fusiliers age 27 Occupation Hawker Birthplace Fulham attestation Wandsworth of 26 Fountain Rd Mitcham.
His casualty details Pte 17733 Royal Fusiliers 12th battalion died 14/10/1915
cemetery Reninghelst Churchyard Extention
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:)thank you very much for the information, while i know about him and family and that he married naomi, and i found naomi marrying again, i did think he had died put never made the connection to the war. i do not live far from mitcham, so i will go and visit and pay my respects.
thank you so much :)
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All those men are recognised and commemorated here http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Surrey/Mitcham.html though not singled out as travellers
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:) im going to visit, all my family, scott, matthews and james
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Leonard Dixie's ancestor Phillip Dixie is on Rootschat his thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=407505.36
"Edward's son and Lydia's brother Leonard was born on the 17 January 1898 unfortunately he was killed in action on the 30th September 1918 at Noyelles, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France. "
Sarah Ann Dixie, who was Leonards mother died in 1933, she makes the newspapers for being long attendance of the Mitcham fair http://www.GenesReunited.co.nz/searchbna/results?memberlastsubclass=none&searchhistorykey=0&keywords=sarah%20ann%20dixie
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Hi Mitcham
You can also add my 2 great uncles who died in the first world war. These were Robert James of 27 Queens Road. He died in 1917 and his name is on the Tynescot Memorial in Belgium. His brother Samuel James who lived in Queens Road also died during this war but we have been unable to trace him.
To clear up one post - Ocean Draper was married to Alfred James and they lived at 35 Queens Road.
Regards Waynus
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I think these names on the memorial were from the travelling community:
Arthur Gardener - b. 1899, son of William and Louisa Gardener, he was a "golf caddie" before the war.
John Gardener - b. 1892, details as above. He was a "golf caddie" too.
Thanks for the info. Arthur and John Gardner are both in my family tree (I'm descended from William's brother Noah).