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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: TonyMcGartland on Monday 28 November 16 11:08 GMT (UK)
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Where do people disappear to when they split up. This has been a brick wall for several years. James Campbell Cameron from Glasgow b. 1886 married Isabella McDonald Mooney b. 1893 in Drogheda Ireland in 1916. They had one son, Allan James Cameron born 1921 and they split five years later leaving Allan with an aunt to be brought up in Derry.
Neither of his parents were ever found after searching for several years. Where could they have gone?
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Do you have a birth certificate for James ...as there is a James Campbell Cameron born 26 January 1891 Kelvin Glasgow ..Father Allan Cameron mother Mary Campbell Cameron
Rosie
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James was born in Kinning Park, Glasgow 1886 and Isabella born Dunbartonshire 1893.
When their son Alan married in 1945 his father was dead, at least this was recorded on his marriage certificate.
I cannot access any details on my work PC but can do later.
However, I can assure you I have found nothing on their whereabouts.
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Wrong parent's I posted seen his marriage certificate his father was John Cameron ( blacksmith )
James's occupation Iron Moulder ..The family at 80 Stanley Street Kinning Park Glasgow Govan1891 would this be right
Rosie
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James Cameron 13, Anderson Street, Kinning Park, Glasgowb. 29 March 1886
Father John b. 1856 Beauly, Invernessshire
Yes, iron moulder
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See what you mean about your brick wall not seeing anything at all were there other family born to this couple
Rosie
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Rosie17,
No other children.
Isabella was interested in dance and music and I was told travelled with various stage and dance companies.
James Cameron had several family members (brothers Alexander and William and sister Moyà Rock) who emigrated to sydney, Australia and died there. I often thought he may have followed, I never could find any leads there either.
Thanks anyway
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Yes tried looking for him on immigration records not much luck there ???
Rosie
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When they married they were living in Palace Street, Drogheda, Co. Louth. They split up when Alan was about 6yrs old so that would be around 1926-27. Alan joined the Paratroopers and served in WW2 and settled in Aston-Under-Lyne.
I have one picture of him from when he was around ten years old and it is signed 'To Dad xxx' so this suggests to me that at this point in his life, his mother was either deceased already or he had no contact with her.
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New topic on LANCASHIRE board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=760424.0
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I wanted to resurrect my search for both James Campbell Cameron and Isabella Mooney. To date nothing has materialised on either death. Are there any local records for Louth?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=760267.msg6111684#msg6111684
Continuing with the Existing LOUTH thread (duplicate threads cause confusion and extra work).
It may be that the deaths are too recent to be online.
Why do you think either James or Isabella returned to Louth? Alan J.C. Cameron birth registered 1921 in Louth district but it's possible Isabella had simply gone back home to have the baby (the Mooneys lived at Palace St.).
Were there other children born between the first 2 children and Alan (quite a gap)?
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I wanted to resurrect my search for both James Campbell Cameron and Isabella Mooney. To date nothing has materialised on either death. Are there any local records for Louth?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=760267.msg6111684#msg6111684
Continuing with the Existing LOUTH thread (duplicate threads cause confusion and extra work).
It may be that the deaths are too recent to be online.
Why do you think either James or Isabella returned to Louth? Alan J.C. Cameron birth registered 1921 in Louth district but it's possible Isabella had simply gone back home to have the baby (the Mooneys lived at Palace St.).
Were there other children born between the first 2 children and Alan (quite a gap)?
Alan was the only one born of parents James and Isabella.
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First child, Jessie Fraser Cameron, born 1 Oct.1916 in Cork and died there 4 months later ("first one comes any time, others take nine months" as my grandmother used to say)
Birth: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01324/1546878.pdf
Death: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05218/4443648.pdf
Second child born 1918 in Belfast and died following day-
Birth: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01290/1534548.pdf
Death: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05197/4435893.pdf
Which leaves a gap between 1918-1921.
Added- 59 Camden St., Belfast listed as tenements in 1924 directory.
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Aghadowey, this is fascinating information and only goes to show that revisiting a previous posting sometime does throw up new information. Thank you so much.
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It was actually just a matter of searching for children with father 'Cameron' and mother 'Mooney' so not at all difficult to find those births.
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When I referred back to my notes contained in Family Tree Maker software, I found this....
James Cameron was first noted in Dublin Workhouse on the Indoor Relief Registrar, he was discharged after a few days there on 20th Feb 1906. He was then picked up in the 1911 census records as a driver for the RIC based at Cork military barrack.
When married he lived at 47, Capel Street, Dublin. The marriage was witnessed by Susan Cameron
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J. Cameron, Victoria Barracks in Cork is age 22 in 1911 so born c1889-
census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__3_Urban/Victoria_Barracks/387211/
You said in first post on this thread "James Campbell Cameron from Glasgow b. 1886" so why are you sure the 1911 J. Cameron is James Campbell Cameron?
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Well I cannot be positive. He was born in 1886 for sure, I thought, maybe wrongly that age in Census Records is not always correct.
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Second child born 1918 in Belfast and died following day-
Birth: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01290/1534548.pdf
Death: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05197/4435893.pdf
Which leaves a gap between 1918-1921.
Added- 59 Camden St., Belfast listed as tenements in 1924 directory.
59, Camden Street, Belfast is where Richard Moore and his wife Susan Cameron lived. This explains why James and Isabella were in Belfast. James was Susans brother.
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To add to the mystery of Alan Camerons parents I was wondering if his army records would shed any light on his father and mother? He joined, aged 20yrs old in Derry. I have his army number, would that throw up any clues?