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Title: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 01 December 16 00:21 GMT (UK)
Hello
Robert is my GG grandfather, he married Esther Kingston on 21 Feb 1846 in Desertserges, Cork.  I have found a death record for a Robert Bennett (Ireland Deaths 1864 - 1958 Transcription) that shows death registered Apr - Jun 1890, District Clonakilty, his age 78, birth year 1812.  Not sure if this is my Robert.

Have also found Robert Bennett in Griffiths Valuation 1848 - 1864, Parish of Kilgarriff.  Again, not sure if my Robert. Griffiths also shows a Abraham Bennett and a James Bennett.  Not sure if related.  Also shows George Kingston and Samuel Kingston, not sure if related to Esther.

Robert & Esther had at least 2 children, John born abt 1853 and Samuel (my G grandfather) born abt 1857.  Both John and Samuel were born in Clonakilty and emigrated to Australia and settled in Rockhampton, Queensland.  Samuel died in 1903 and John died in 1933.  I have obtained their parents details and approx DOB from their death certificates.  Both John and Samuel are buried in the Church of England section of the North Rockhampton cemetery so I presume Robert was also?

I have conducted searches on many different websites and not been able to advance my search.

Looking for advice/recommendations on how to advance my search to gather more info, e.g., -

1.  To confirm the above info.
2.  Parents of Robert & Esther.
3.  Other children of Robert & Esther, names, DOB, DOD.
4.  Burial location of Robert & Esther.
5.  Are there decendants of Robert & Esther still in the Clonakilty area?  My wife and I will be visiting Ireland next year intending to visit Clonakilty and would like to meet up with any relatives.

This is not my complete info list, a starting point . . .

Many thanks for any suggestions/assistance.

regards
Steve
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 01 December 16 00:43 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat Steve.
Unfortunately the images of the Certs for deaths and marriage are not online yet for these dates but they will be at some point.
However the fact that the marriage was registered does confirm a Church of Ireland marriage. RC marriages were not registered until 1864.
Robert Bennett death 1890
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/f8a89517687498
Esther and Robert marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/7a67a114488556
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/49bbfe14479827

You can however get photocopies of the Certs for €4 each using the form here
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
Marriage Certs only have father's name not the mother's.


Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 01 December 16 00:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sinann.  Will those Certs show parents names, children's names and burial location?

Would they also have a record (and Cert) for death of Esther?

I'm not familiar with Irish issued Certificates.

Many thanks.
Steve
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 01 December 16 01:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sinann.  Will those Certs show parents names, children's names and burial location?

Would they also have a record (and Cert) for death of Esther?

I'm not familiar with Irish issued Certificates.

Many thanks.
Steve

There is isn't a great deal of information on the Certs.
Use the links in the last section of this page to see images of Certs and what each can tell you
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-civil-registration.html
Worth having a look around that site, it's very informative.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 01 December 16 01:22 GMT (UK)
It can be very difficult to be sure if you have the correct death for a person unless the informant is a family member know to you, even if the above is the correct Robert you may never find proof that it is.
I don't see an oblivious death for Esther, it is possible she died before registration began, or had moved to another area, IF the cert for Robert is correct it will say if he was widowed or not which might help.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 01 December 16 21:33 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much Sinann.  I have had a quick look at the Irish Genealogy site, very informative indeed.  I'll have a good look when time permits.

On Esther, I have found a record in the Ireland Census 1901 for a Hester Bennett, aged 86 (born abt 1815), mother, widow, at House 10, Kilgarriffe, Clonakilty, Cork.  Her age fits and so does the widow part.  She is recorded living with Thomas aged 48, (born abt 1853), farmer and his wife Mary aged 32 (born abt 1869) with children Robert 10, Hester Anne 8, Eliza 6 and Annie 4.

Esther is recorded as Hester on Samuel's & John's Queensland Death Certificates, so I'm not overly concerned with that difference, although not sure at this stage if Hester is my Esther and if Thomas is a sibling of Samuel and John.  However, there are key names, Robert, Hester, Thomas and Mary that feature in Samuel's children in Australia.  Now that Church of Ireland is most likely their religion (had thought it was Catholic), hopefully that will make searching easier.

For the 1911 Census, very similar results for Thomas and Mary, no Hester now but with new child Mary aged 9, at House 12 Kilgarriff, Cork.

I'll see what information Irish Genealogy can provide.

For information prior to civil records, like birth/baptisim records for Samuel, John, Thomas, Robert & Esther, is that local parish records?  And would that be (most likely) Kilgarriff Parish COI records?  How do I do that?

Many thanks for any/all assistance.

Steve
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: annclare on Thursday 01 December 16 22:38 GMT (UK)
Marriage of Mary Bennett 1883 to Thomas Nagle Possibly daughter of Robert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10937/5996735.pdf

Nagle family in 1901 Census -
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Teadies/Dromovane/1090876/


annclare
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 01 December 16 22:54 GMT (UK)
Thank you Ann.  Interesting, Mary's listed father, certainly looks like Robert Bennett, bit hard to read, what do people think?

Also, witness, is that Thomas Bennett?

Thank you again.

Thanks for all contributions.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 01 December 16 23:26 GMT (UK)
Church of Ireland Records list
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegistersTable.pdf
Kilgarriff is on page 55 yellow code.
Which means they are held by Representative Church Body Library, Churchtown, Dublin 14

Anglican Record Project.
None of the old links worked, they seem to have updated their site.
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Sunday 04 December 16 23:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you again Sinann, very helpful.  The earlier Kilgarriff records are coded green and do not have any RCB Library or PRONI entry in the far right hand column.  Does that mean that these records for Kilgarriff may not be available?

Thank you for any assistance.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Monday 05 December 16 00:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you again Sinann, very helpful.  The earlier Kilgarriff records are coded green and do not have any RCB Library or PRONI entry in the far right hand column.  Does that mean that these records for Kilgarriff may not be available?

Thank you for any assistance.

I did notice that, there is no key or comment so it does look like they were totally destroyed but I guess the only way to know for sure is the ask the Library in Churchtown.

I've never needed to search COI records so I'm not the best person to advise, hopefully someone who knows more will see this.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Monday 05 December 16 22:33 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much Sinann for your assistance.  Your information has progressed my search significantly.  Off to RCB then, I'll report back any findings.

And, I had a friend from 1993 - 2009, a border collie puppy (she was always a puppy to me) that is still missed.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Monday 05 December 16 22:51 GMT (UK)
Your welcome, hope you get a result.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Wednesday 08 March 17 23:17 GMT (UK)
I have been in touch with RCB and unfortunately the earlier records for Kilgariffe Parish have been lost.  RCB only hold records of Baptisms 1882-2000, Marriages 1845-1997 and Burials 1879-2000.

As the information I am mainly looking for is prior to these dates, would this information still exist anywhere?  Would the Parish Church/s have this information?

Any information, advice or assistance greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 08 March 17 23:41 GMT (UK)
Unfortunatly that's very unlikely, I think the originals were sent to Dublin not copys. You can read about the fire and what was lost here
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 09 March 17 23:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks, I was afraid that might be the case.  I'll continue searching.

Could you clarify something for me, looking in the 1901 & 1911 Ireland Census records for family of Thomas Bennett, in the 1901 record it shows address of House 10, Kilgarriffe, Clonakilty etc while in 1911 Census, address is House 12, Kilgarriffe, Clonakilty etc for same family.

Would it be the same house renumbered for some reason or did the family move houses?

And, what would the chance of finding this house/location today?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 09 March 17 23:22 GMT (UK)
The numbers are Census form numbers not house numbers, houses in rural Ireland rarely have numbers.
So it depends on which house the enumerator started from as to what number the family get in different census.

If the family were in the same house in the 1860s it may be possible to find the house on Griffiths's Valuation
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 09 March 17 23:26 GMT (UK)
You can see here it's a Form number and there is no house number.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001832155/
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 09 March 17 23:37 GMT (UK)
OK, thanks, makes sense now.

Robert Bennett does appear in Griffith's Valuation, and there is a location for that farm.  I presume that could be located today?

From my further searches and the info presently available, I'm thinking that Thomas is the eldest son and has continued to work the farm with Robert and then takes over the farm.  Hester/Esther, his mother, continues to live with Thomas and family as per 1901 Census.

Also thinking there is little prospect locally at that time for John and Samuel, Robert's other sons, so they emigrate to Australia.  But speculation on my part as not confirmed that Thomas in 1901 and 1911 Census is son of Robert and Esther.  This is the info that I continue to seek!
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 09 March 17 23:59 GMT (UK)
Just had a thought, wills
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jo3/
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Friday 10 March 17 00:44 GMT (UK)
I assume you found these records for Thomas in the 1911 Census with mother Hester in 1901
but just in case someone else in the family finds this thread at some point.
1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Clonakilty/Kilgarriff/378895/
1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Clonakilty/Kilgarriffe/1095633/

Daughter Hester 1893 mother Mary Clarke
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02309/1865591.pdf
and Eliza 1895 mother Mary Clarke
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02222/1838064.pdf

so Thomas and Mary's marriage gives Robert as his father
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10637/5875620.pdf
and you know from the Census his mother is Hester.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Saturday 11 March 17 00:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much.  The link to Abraham Bennett's will and codicil provides further information that I did not previously have, e.g., Abraham had a brother Thomas, a cousin Robert, daughters Eliza and Anne (Buttomer) and son John.  His wife is mentioned in the codicil but no name mentioned.  All this info adds pieces to the puzzle.

Yes, I already found the census records for Thomas and Mary Clarke (appears as Clerke in some family trees on Ancestry.com)

Thank you so much for their marriage record.  I have been looking for that record for sometime without success, so it is great to now have it particularly with the confirming info of Robert as his father.  That record lists Thomas as a widower, I had noticed that he was abt 41 when he married Mary Clarke so that explains that as this is his second marriage.  With your superior search skills, could I ask would you mind searching for Thomas' earlier marriage? 

Thank you for all your assistance.

I will shortly post the info I have to date on Robert and Esther's family.

 
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 00:59 GMT (UK)
Second marriage, ah, I should have noticed that, I was so busy matching up the children and mother/wife I didn't notice.
It explains why I couldn't find a matching Robert.
Robert born 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02394/1892781.pdf
mother's name looks like Martha Sebury on that but I think this is the marriage 1890 transcribed as Martha Tebury
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10696/5898382.pdf
I think Sebury may be correct but it should be possible to figure that out.
Martha died as a result of childbirth the day after Robert was born she was only 22. (which seems a tad young if I have the correct parents below)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06076/4732684.pdf
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 01:21 GMT (UK)
Difficult to read the marriage to Martha but I think her father is Thomas address Tullyglass
which led me to this family
Matrha Sebury widow, son Henry widower
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Teadies/Tullyglass_West/1090911/
Henry married 1884 to Eliza Joice, his father is Thomas.
I got Eliza Joice name from daughter Martha's birth but also noticed this Martha died in 1904.
This family is suffering one tragedy after another.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Saturday 11 March 17 01:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the info.  Noticed Robert born 1891 had a twin sister, Martha, born same day.  I think this Martha is the 11 yo Martha in the 1901 Census listed as grand daughter as no Martha appears in Bennett household for same year.  Interesting.

Also, witness at both of Thomas Bennett marriage's is Thomas Nagle, Thomas' brother in law!

Do death records like that for Martha Bennett January 1891 exist for Robert Bennett, death Clonakilty 1890 and for Esther/Hester Bennett around 1905?

Many thanks again for your assistance.  This is all great progress.

 
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 01:56 GMT (UK)
I was trying to find a birth for Martha Sebury/Bennett to confirm her parents but haven't.
Found all sorts of spellings and transcriptions of the name Sebury including a Catherine Leabury (Seabury) born to Thomas and Martha formally Butt???? formally Clerke. Too late search any more tonight.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 02:02 GMT (UK)
There should be you can search here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
not unusual for someone not to have a death cert.
Me sleep now
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: dathai on Saturday 11 March 17 11:03 GMT (UK)
Martha Sabury 1868
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03424/2256393.pdf

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F52C-9Y7

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6K-J24
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 13:07 GMT (UK)
Nice one dathai

I think this Martha is the 11 yo Martha in the 1901 Census listed as grand daughter as no Martha appears in Bennett household for same year.  Interesting.

 
Martha Sebury has a birth and death certificate to Henry and his wife.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02424/1902816.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05623/4581571.pdf

Don't know what happened to Martha Bennett yet.

Grandmother Martha Sebury died 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05500/4540621.pdf
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 14:05 GMT (UK)
Possible for Martha Bennett here
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Clonakilty_Urban/Sovereign_Street/1096279/
Need to check out the Chiddick's

Looks like Annie Chiddick is Thomas Bennett's sister
Hester's birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02867/2050330.pdf

Martha appears to have married a John Bennett in 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09925/5608135.pdf
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 14:23 GMT (UK)
I'm only looking at the FamilySearch links dathai posted.
The marriage of Thomas Seabury give to Martha Buttimer gives his father as Henry.


Oh gave myself a fright there, I was getting the Bennetts and Sebury confused.

There isn't any point in following the Sebury family any further is there, the Bennett line is your family of interest.


Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 15:33 GMT (UK)
Try and put what we have together.
Robert Bennett and Esther/Hester Kingston married in 1846
They had two known children John c 1853 and Samuel c 1857 both emigrated to Australia.
Thomas Bennett born c 1853 has mother Hester living with him in 1901, father Robert on marriage so believed to be same family. Thomas Nagle as witness on both his marriages.
Annie Bennett/Chiddick born c 1852 has Thomas' daughter living with her as niece.
Mary Bennett/ Nagle born c 1853 father Robert on marriage Thomas Bennett witness.
Hester Bennett/ Deane born c 1857 father Robert on marriage Thomas Bennett witness
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10729/5911674.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilmalooda/Reengarrigeen/1097564/

Not quite as happy with this one
Susanna Bennett/Parrott father Robert on marriage witness Thomas
Problem is her age.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10466/5811388.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Clonakilty/Gallanes/1095678/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Clonakilty/Gallanes/378945/
born c1865 or c1868, haven't found her birth yet, and women did have children for up to 20 odd years depending on what age they were at marriage.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 11 March 17 15:54 GMT (UK)
Just notice one of the witness on Thomas Bennett Martha Sebury marriage is Henry Sebury.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Saturday 11 March 17 22:02 GMT (UK)
Wow, you have been busy, thanks so much.  We are going out shortly so won't get a chance to look thru all this properly till later.  Looks good tho.

Could you also search for info on James Bennett please, have seen his name mentioned, could be another brother.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Sunday 12 March 17 04:23 GMT (UK)
The other witness at Susanna's marriage is Robert Deane, most likely her sister Hester's husband, so looks like another daughter for Robert and Esther.

This is fantastic work!  I am thrilled to bits to have uncovered all this information.  Thank you everyone who has contributed, in particular Sinann.

I will post an update on the info I have so far in the next couple of days.

The other people I'm still looking for info on is James Bennett and Francis Bennett.  James is listed in Griffiths Valuation, Parish of Kilgarriff, against map reference 10 (Robert Bennett against map reference 9) so perhaps brothers?  Francis Bennett is mentioned in Abraham Bennett's will (link provided by Sinann).  In his will Abraham mentions Robert as his cousin and Abraham is listed against map references 15 & 16 in Griffiths, Parish of Kilgarriff.  With Abraham and Robert being cousins, their fathers were brothers with same grandfather.  Any info greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: The Geneal Geologist on Monday 13 March 17 10:20 GMT (UK)
For future searches of your ancestry, you will need to be aware that Clonakilty does not have any registers prior to 1809, as that is when records were required to be kept. Like many Irish areas, records rarely start until around this time (some later, some earlier).

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Monday 13 March 17 12:02 GMT (UK)
For future searches of your ancestry, you will need to be aware that Clonakilty does not have any registers prior to 1809, as that is when records were required to be kept. Like many Irish areas, records rarely start until around this time (some later, some earlier).

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

The Bennetts were COI, see the first few pages of the thread.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Wednesday 15 March 17 23:36 GMT (UK)
This what I have so far -

Robert Bennett and Esther/Hester Kingston married on 21 February 1846 at Desertserges.  From info presently available, they had the following children -

Mary, born abt 1847-1853,
Anne, born abt 1850-1852
Thomas, born abt 1850-1851
John, born abt 1853
Hester, born abt 1857
Samuel, born abt 1857
Susanna, born abt 1862-1868

Robert was a farmer and is listed in Griffiths Valuation Record against Map Ref 9, Kilgarriff, Clonakilty.

Robert Bennett died Apr-Jun 1890, aged 78 in Clonakilty.
Have not found a death record for Esther, seems she died between 1901 and 1911 Census.

Mary married Thomas Nagle on 5 June 1883, Kilgarriff.  Thomas was a farmer.  They had following children -

Edward, born abt 1885
Robert, born abt 1886
Thomas, born abt 1887

Census for 1901 & 1911 had them in Dromovane, Teadies.

Anne married Walter Chiddick in early 1871.  Walter was a shoemaker.  They had the following children -

Eliza Anne, born 23/7/1873, died 1880
Walter William, born 25/10/1874, died 12/1946
Robert John, born 26/2/1876,
Hester Anne, born 8/3/1880, died 28/3/1972.

Walter died in late 1879, aged 38.  Anne died on 7 May 1936, Clonakilty aged 86.

Census for 1901 & 1911 had Anne at Sovereign St, Clonakilty.  A Martha Bennett is also living with Anne, recorded by the Census in 1901 & 1911.

Thomas married Martha Sebury on 6 February 1890 at Bandon.  Thomas was a farmer.  Martha was born 20 August 1868 and died on 12 January 1891, aged 22, day after giving birth to twins Martha and Robert.  Their children -

Martha born 11/1/1891,
Robert born 11/1/1891, died 1964. 

Martha lives with Anne Bennett/Chiddick as mentioned above.  Robert lives with his father.

Thomas marries Mary Clarke on 30 April 1892, Desertserges.  They have the following children -

Hester Anne, born 3/2/1893
Eliza, born 1/2/1895
Annie, born 28/3/1897
Mary, born abt 1901.

Census for 1901 & 1911 had them at Kilgarriff, Clonakilty.

Thomas died on 28 May 1927, Clonakilty, aged 77.

John emigrated to Australia and lived in Rockhampton, Queensland.  There is no record of John ever marrying.  John died on 12 March 1993, Rockhampton, Queensland.

Hester married Robert Deane on 21 March 1889, Kilgarriff.  Robert was a farmer.  They had the following children -

Thomas, born abt 1890, died 9/4/1917
Robert, born abt 1892, died 5/4/1982
William, born abt 1894, died 1950
John, born abt 1896, died 14/10/1973
Mary Jane, born abt 1898, dode 18/7/1919
Michael James, born abt 1899, died 25/2/1989.

Census for 1901 & 1911 had them at Reengarrigeen, Kilmaloda East.

Hester died on 12 May 1938, Timoleague, Clonakilty, aged 81.  Robert died on 2 June 1938, also Timoleague, aged 85.

Samuel emigrated to Australia and married Mary Kenny on 10 February 1891, Queensland.  Mary was from Kildsart, Clare and was baptised on 2 March 1863.  They had the following children -

Robert Henry, born 4/2/1892, died 27/5/1950
James, born 26/5/1893, died 13/2/1894
Thomas, born 19/11/1895, died 11/5/1962 (my grandfather)
Margaret, born 18/2/1898, died 13/12/1961
Hester, born 21/12/1899, died 16/7/1983
Mary, born 16/11/1901, died 16/11/1901.

Samuel died 1 October 1903, Rockhampton, aged 46.  Mary died on 14 January 1932, Rockhampton, aged 69.

Susanna married John Perrott on 28 August 1897, Kilgarriff.  John was a farmer in Gallanes, Clonakilty.  They had the following children -

Elisabeth Esther (Lilian Gertrude?), born 7 June 1898
John Robert, born 16/8/1899.

Census for 1901 & 1911 had them at Gallanes, Clonakilty.

Susanna died on 24 August 1918, Gallanes, aged 56.

While some of this information may not be complete or totally accurate, I will go with this info until it is proved incorrect and I invite others who may have better information to update it.

With the assistance of this site and Sinann in particular, I now have far more information about my Irish roots that I had thought possible.  I am very grateful for all the assistance provided.

It had been my wish to discover information that would allow me to connect with present day Bennett relatives in Clonakilty as my wife and I will be visiting there later this year.

Unfortunately, this info shows that there is no present day paternal Bennett relatives in Clonakilty.  I am saddened by this.

Pending other sons of Robert & Esther's being discovered, Thomas was their only son to remain in Ireland.  He had only 1 son, Robert, who emigrated to Canada where he married Elizabeth Conway in 1918.  They had a daughter, Kathleen Lenore Bennett (1920 - 2006).  Robert died in 1964 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

I will continue searching for info on Robert & Esther's grandchildren and see where that takes me.

I greatly appreciate all assistance provided.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: dathai on Thursday 16 March 17 08:39 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Esther Perrott 1898  Lilian Gertrude ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02078/1793079.pdf

John 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02023/1776161.pdf
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 16 March 17 23:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you for those links dathai, interesting.  I took the info in my post from the 1901 & 1911 Census records.  The extended info for 1911 Census shows that John Perrot and Susanna Bennett declared that they had 2 children.

Elisabeth Esther and John are clearly the children of John and Susanna.  I have not been able to find a birth record for Lilian Gertrude in the Civil Records.  However, on FindMyPast, did find a birth record for Esther Gertrude Perrott, born Apr-Jun 1900, Clonakilty.  Unfortunately does not provide parents details.  Have not found this record in the Civil Records.  The declared age for Lilian Gertrude in 1901 & 1911 Census aligns with Elisabeth's birth.  Not found any death record for Elisabeth Esther for this period.

Other interesting aspect is that Gertrude Perrott, daughter, is listed as informant on Susanna's Death Certificate in 1918.

So, without knowing more about Esther Gertrude, maybe Elisabeth Esther is Lilian Gertrude.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 16 March 17 23:14 GMT (UK)
Which present day Registration District should I select to search for Nagle's who were in Dromovane, Teadies, Cork in 1901 & 1911 Census?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: dathai on Friday 17 March 17 07:59 GMT (UK)
Bandon
Robert 1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02630/1970082.pdf
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: dathai on Friday 17 March 17 08:20 GMT (UK)
death of Mary 1926
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1926/04988/4360086.pdf

search archives here for Mary Nagle   number 6 1927 administration with the will to Thomas Nagle
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: dathai on Friday 17 March 17 11:54 GMT (UK)
I presume Enniskeane ,Dromovane is the same place ?
if so Robert Nagle died single 1963
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1963/04274/4098351.pdf

Thomas Nagle married Susan Deane 1928
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1928/09083/5285865.pdf

died 1947
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1947/04572/4208120.pdf
probate of will also on archives
Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Saturday 18 March 17 00:04 GMT (UK)
Thank you dathai.  RootsChat, and its contributors, are awesome. 

This is the second time RootsChat and its contributors has provided real information that assisted my family history search.  Last time was for my mother's ancestry who emigrated from Scotland in 1883.  Allowed discovery of my maternal great great grandmother and her burial location.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Monday 24 April 17 01:10 BST (UK)
I have now obtained a copy of Robert & Esther's Marriage Certificate, hopefully attached -

Seems Robert's father was Thomas and Esther's father was Samuel.  Having trouble reading Esther's place of residence in Parish of Desertserges.  Anyone offer a suggestion what it might be?

Many thanks.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Monday 24 April 17 07:28 BST (UK)
Think her residence is Crohane parish of Desertserges
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=257&civilparish=Desertserges&county=Cork


Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Friday 28 April 17 00:19 BST (UK)
That does seem to be what it is.  Thank you again for all your help.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: StephenFNQ on Thursday 04 January 18 01:19 GMT (UK)
Esther's residence was actually Crohane East, parish of Desertserges.  It has turned out that the information about Robert Bennett & Esther Kingston and their children produced by this thread is pretty much correct.   

During our visit to Clonakilty we visited the farm in Crohane East where Esther Kingston was living (and most likely born) before she married Robert Bennett in February 1846.    Farm presently owned by a descendant of Thomas Kingston, Esther's brother.

We also visited St Mary's Church, where Robert & Esther married.

We met descendants of Mary Bennett Nagle, of Thomas Bennett and Mary Clarke and of Hester Bennett Deane.  We had a wonderful morning tea where we met many third cousins from the Clarke, Deane and Buttimer families. We have also connected with descendants of Thomas Bennett and Martha Sebury who live in USA.

We also met descendants of Abraham Bennett and of his brother Thomas Bennett of Ahamilla.  We visited the Agricultural College at Dararra, formerly a farm owned by Abraham Bennett and then his son John Bennett.

It appears that James Bennett was a brother to Robert as records show James' farm was transferred to Robert.

We also visited the cemeteries at Kilnagross and Kilgarriffe.

Highlight for me was the visit to the old Bennett farm in Kilgarriffe where my g grandfather Samuel was born and grew up prior to immigrating to Australia in around 1885.  Appears that Samuel was the youngest child as his age at death is confirmed as 39 and not 46 as previously reported.  This make his birth in 1864.

We were also given a photo of Meta Bennett's wedding to John Bennett of Kilmoylerane in 1912.  This photo is believed to have been taken at the Bennett farm in Kilgarriffe.  Of significance is that 4 Bennett families attended this wedding, Bennett's from Kilgarriffe, from Kilmoylerane, from Ahamilla and from Fourcuil.  Henry Sebury, presumably Martha Sebury's brother, was also in the photo.

The information produced by this thread has proved significant to my family history research and I again thank all contributors for their assistance.

Title: Re: Parish Registers, Clonakilty? - Robert Bennett
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 04 January 18 01:57 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for telling us about your visit to Ireland. It's wonderful that you met so many relations and got to visit places connected to your family.
We do these searches because we enjoy it and people such as you give us the chance to have this fun but it's even more enjoyable when a hobby proves useful and the effort it took is appreciated, so thank you.