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Title: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 19:08 GMT (UK)
I would be so grateful if anyone has access to John's baptism records so I can verify his parents. I know he was born in Weston Shropshire and married to Anne Davies in 1825 in Madeley Shropshire and that my direct ancestor Rebecca was born in 1837. My difficulty is that although many family trees suggest that John's parents were Joseph Hopwood b.c. 1752 and Mary Broughall, I cannot find proof of this. (The discrepancy in John's birth date is due to varying ages on the censuses). His baptism is often quoted from parish records as 1st March 1798 but I just need proof!
I would be really grateful if anyone has access to his record.
Many thanks
JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 29 December 16 19:38 GMT (UK)
Hi having a look for you, although the only baptism at present I can locate 1st March 1798 Family Search and 4th March 1798 FindMyPast with parents Joseph/Mary was in Prees?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 29 December 16 19:44 GMT (UK)
The John Hopwood b Prees is in Kirkdale Liverpool in 1851 and shown as born 1802.  Still in Kirkdale in 1861

In 1851 - your John is in Shropshire shown as b Weston 1803. 

However - there is another John Hopwood born Weston 1804 who also has a wife Ann who is living in Staffs in 1851
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 19:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much Keyboard86,
I saw that but wondered if there was a baptism record anywhere.
Your help is much appreciated.
JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 19:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much CaroleW,
will check it out!
JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 29 December 16 20:42 GMT (UK)
The main problem is that there isn't simply a place called plain Weston in Shropshire.   There are in fact Cold Weston, Weston Lulling, Weston Rhyn, Weston under Redcastle, Weston Cotton and Weston and Wixhill!!!

The only 'Weston' that I have found that included any Hopwood's was Weston under Redcastle.

Best I can offer I'm afraid.

Annette
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 23:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks Annette,
I appreciate your time.
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 09:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am a bit confused here.

Is this your Rebecca in 1851 in Wolverhampton,  Staffordshire with Parents/Siblings?

John Hopwood, 47, Head, Mar, Furnace Labourer, born Weston, Shropshire
Ann Hopwood, 44, born Prees
Joseph Hopwood, 22, born Lilleshall
John Hopwood, 17, Hodnell
REBECCA Hopwood, 14, born Bilston, Staffordshire  ****
Richard Hopwood,11, born Bilston

BAPTISMS;

REBECKAH  Hopwood, 24 Feb 1837, George St Methodist, Wolverhampton
Parents JOHN/ANN
Abode Ettingshall
Notes;  Born 23 Nov nee LAWLEY***Maternal Grandparents Joseph and Rebekah
FileNumber 9791

Holy Trinity, Sedgley, Staffs
RICHARD Hopwood, 8 March 1840 (birth 24 Jan 1840)
ANN Hopwood, 27 Aug 1843 (birth 8 Dec 1842)
SAMUEL, 1 June 1845 (birth 29 Jan 1845)
Parents JOHN/ANN-e, Father Occp Labourer or Furnaceman
Abode Ettingshall Lane

BURIALS;
St Peters, Wolverhampton
ANN Hopwood 1 Sept 1843, Infant, abode Etiingshall Lane
SAMUEL Hopwood, 7 Sept 1845, Infant, abode Montrose Green

ANN's 1843 Birth Reg on Gro Index has Mothers mn as LAWLEY***

For Ref 1841 we have;
John Hopwood,35
Anne Hopwood, 35
Joseph Hopwood, 13
John Hopwood, 7
Rebecca Hopwood, 4***
Richard Hopwood, 1
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 09:50 GMT (UK)
All on other post was from FreeREG, this from Familysearch.Org;

MARRIAGE;
12 October 1826, Moreton Corbet, Shropshire
Ann LAWLEY to John HOPWOOD

May I ask where Ann Davies comes from?
(Edit, got it Familysearch.Org)
But wrong Marriage for your John!

Rebeccas Hopswoods Baptism has Ann Lawley's Parents as Joseph/Rebecca

John PARKER and Rebeccas 1853 Marriage has her abode as Monmore Green which fits with her Brother Samuels Burial.
A Thomas OWEN was a Witness at that Marriage.
He married ELIZABETH Hopwood 9 March 1846, Her Father J Hopwood a Furnaceman
So another Child for John/Ann
JOSEPH Hopwood married 1852, Father John a Labourer
(Source FreeREG)

I think the the John Hopwood a Blacksmith was the one who married Ann Davies.

Its so easy to follow the wrong lines with out pircashing Birth Certs of Children born post 1837.
You are lucky the the GRO Index with Mothers maiden names is now up and running.

Also thanks to FreeREG for its wonderful Volunteers we have Ann mn and Parents names.

Trish :)
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:09 GMT (UK)
F/S.Org

MARRIAGE;
31 January 1807, Prees, Shropshire, Joseph LAWLEY to Rebecca WILLIAMS

CHRISTENINGS, only searched 1807-1810
ANN*** Lawley, 27 Sept 1807 Prees, Parents JOSEPH/REBECCA
ELIZABETH Lawley, 30 Dec 1810 Prees, Parents JOSEPH/REBECCA (Williams)

There is also a JOHN Lawley Buried 14 February 1824, Moreton-Corbet, Shropshire
Parents Joseph/Rebecca Firs as John Hopwood/Ann Lawley marry there.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:26 GMT (UK)
1841 in Moreton Corbet, Shropshire;
Joseph Lawley, 55
Rebecca Lawley, 55
William Lawley, 21
Thomas Lawley, 20
Mary Lawley, 15
John Bates, 25

On Anc
JOSEPH Lawley Burial Date   28 Nov 1841 Moreton Corbet
REBECKAH Lawley, Burial Date 10 May 1857   Moreton-Corbet

1851 Rebecca Lawley is born c 1781 Hodnet, Shropshire
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:39 GMT (UK)
I think you need to find the Christenings of all John/Anns Children in Shropshire from 1826.
This will give you a indication of possible Parents  names for John.
2 Children are named after Ann Lawleys Parents as you can see Joseph/Rebecca.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:50 GMT (UK)
For ref this is Thomas/Elizabeth in Wolverhampton in 1851;
Thomas Owen, 27, born Berriew, Monmouthshire, Wales
ELIZABETH Owen, 23, born Snedshill, Shropshire (indexed as this)***
Ann Owen, 3

So Elizabeth Hopwood born c 1828
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Friday 30 December 16 19:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am a bit confused here.

Is this your Rebecca in 1851 in Wolverhampton,  Staffordshire with Parents/Siblings?

John Hopwood, 47, Head, Mar, Furnace Labourer, born Weston, Shropshire
Ann Hopwood, 44, born Prees
Joseph Hopwood, 22, born Lilleshall
John Hopwood, 17, Hodnell
REBECCA Hopwood, 14, born Bilston, Staffordshire  ****
Richard Hopwood,11, born Bilston

BAPTISMS;

REBECKAH  Hopwood, 24 Feb 1837, George St Methodist, Wolverhampton
Parents JOHN/ANN
Abode Ettingshall
Notes;  Born 23 Nov nee LAWLEY***Maternal Grandparents Joseph and Rebekah
FileNumber 9791

Holy Trinity, Sedgley, Staffs
RICHARD Hopwood, 8 March 1840 (birth 24 Jan 1840)
ANN Hopwood, 27 Aug 1843 (birth 8 Dec 1842)
SAMUEL, 1 June 1845 (birth 29 Jan 1845)
Parents JOHN/ANN-e, Father Occp Labourer or Furnaceman
Abode Ettingshall Lane

BURIALS;
St Peters, Wolverhampton
ANN Hopwood 1 Sept 1843, Infant, abode Etiingshall Lane
SAMUEL Hopwood, 7 Sept 1845, Infant, abode Montrose Green

ANN's 1843 Birth Reg on Gro Index has Mothers mn as LAWLEY***

For Ref 1841 we have;
John Hopwood,35
Anne Hopwood, 35
Joseph Hopwood, 13
John Hopwood, 7
Rebecca Hopwood, 4***
Richard Hopwood, 1

Thanks so much for this Trish!
You must have spent ages working on my topic and I am really grateful as I'm sure I was following the wrong thread. I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind me asking them. Where can I find mothers' maiden names on FreeReg as I don't know how you found them - and also the fact that Rebecca  was baptised at George St Methodist. I couldn't find that either. I'm also still trying to find out who John Hopwood b. 1798 - 1806 parents were. Some on Ancestry say that they were Joseph b. 1752 and Mary Broughall. If you let me know where to look I'd be really grateful.
Once again thanks so much!
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 31 December 16 06:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am happy I could help ( it keeps the brain cells working!)

It was still 30 degrees here at midnight in Sydney so being in the air-conditioned lounge on the computer was a good option (to hot to sleep!)

Ok, I am still using the original FreeREG Site, not FreeREG2.

This is the one I use;
http://freereg1.freereg.org.uk/

Click on Search Parish Registers and then click on Search now

For 1st one I posted;

Click on Baptism
Type in Surname Hopwood
Type in year 1837
Scroll down and click on Staffordshire
Press Search
For some reason her Baptism is entered 4 times.
Click on the number to the side and whole entry will come up

If you have any trouble from there let me know :)
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 31 December 16 06:08 GMT (UK)
As for John Hopwood will look a little more later as nothing obvious popped up for me on him.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Saturday 31 December 16 11:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am happy I could help ( it keeps the brain cells working!)

It was still 30 degrees here at midnight in Sydney so being in the air-conditioned lounge on the computer was a good option (to hot to sleep!)

Ok, I am still using the original FreeREG Site, not FreeREG2.

This is the one I use;
http://freereg1.freereg.org.uk/

Click on Search Parish Registers and then click on Search now

For 1st one I posted;

Click on Baptism
Type in Surname Hopwood
Type in year 1837
Scroll down and click on Staffordshire
Press Search
For some reason her Baptism is entered 4 times.
Click on the number to the side and whole entry will come up

If you have any trouble from there let me know :)
WoW! You're in Sydney! It's 5 degrees here in North Yorkshire England! Happy New Year and thanks once again for your help - I'll look at the above info. today.
Best wishes
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 31 December 16 11:50 GMT (UK)
Just signing out Julie,
Back tomorrow,
I can handle the cold but not the heat!
Happy New Year to you too :)
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Saturday 31 December 16 17:06 GMT (UK)
Just signing out Julie,
Back tomorrow,
I can handle the cold but not the heat!
Happy New Year to you too :)

Hi Trish,
Hope the heat didn't keep you awake! I just have 1 more question: You say that ANN's 1843 Birth Reg on Gro Index has Mothers mn as LAWLEY*** - I have spent ages but can't find her mother's maiden name anywhere. Could you point me to the GRO index where you accessed it?
Thanks so much again
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 31 December 16 17:32 GMT (UK)
Hi helping out, if you look back at the baptism of Ann Hopwood she was born 8th December 1842 baptism 1843!
Go to www.gro.gov.uk register yourself ( No charge) and away you go.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Saturday 31 December 16 19:39 GMT (UK)
Hi helping out, if you look back at the baptism of Ann Hopwood she was born 8th December 1842 baptism 1843!
Go to www.gro.gov.uk register yourself ( No charge) and away you go.
Keyboard86

Thanks so much!
Julie