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Title: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 19:08 GMT (UK)
I would be so grateful if anyone has access to John's baptism records so I can verify his parents. I know he was born in Weston Shropshire and married to Anne Davies in 1825 in Madeley Shropshire and that my direct ancestor Rebecca was born in 1837. My difficulty is that although many family trees suggest that John's parents were Joseph Hopwood b.c. 1752 and Mary Broughall, I cannot find proof of this. (The discrepancy in John's birth date is due to varying ages on the censuses). His baptism is often quoted from parish records as 1st March 1798 but I just need proof!
I would be really grateful if anyone has access to his record.
Many thanks
JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 29 December 16 19:38 GMT (UK)
Hi having a look for you, although the only baptism at present I can locate 1st March 1798 Family Search and 4th March 1798 FindMyPast with parents Joseph/Mary was in Prees?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 29 December 16 19:44 GMT (UK)
The John Hopwood b Prees is in Kirkdale Liverpool in 1851 and shown as born 1802.  Still in Kirkdale in 1861

In 1851 - your John is in Shropshire shown as b Weston 1803. 

However - there is another John Hopwood born Weston 1804 who also has a wife Ann who is living in Staffs in 1851
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 19:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much Keyboard86,
I saw that but wondered if there was a baptism record anywhere.
Your help is much appreciated.
JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 19:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much CaroleW,
will check it out!
JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 29 December 16 20:42 GMT (UK)
The main problem is that there isn't simply a place called plain Weston in Shropshire.   There are in fact Cold Weston, Weston Lulling, Weston Rhyn, Weston under Redcastle, Weston Cotton and Weston and Wixhill!!!

The only 'Weston' that I have found that included any Hopwood's was Weston under Redcastle.

Best I can offer I'm afraid.

Annette
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Thursday 29 December 16 23:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks Annette,
I appreciate your time.
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 09:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am a bit confused here.

Is this your Rebecca in 1851 in Wolverhampton,  Staffordshire with Parents/Siblings?

John Hopwood, 47, Head, Mar, Furnace Labourer, born Weston, Shropshire
Ann Hopwood, 44, born Prees
Joseph Hopwood, 22, born Lilleshall
John Hopwood, 17, Hodnell
REBECCA Hopwood, 14, born Bilston, Staffordshire  ****
Richard Hopwood,11, born Bilston

BAPTISMS;

REBECKAH  Hopwood, 24 Feb 1837, George St Methodist, Wolverhampton
Parents JOHN/ANN
Abode Ettingshall
Notes;  Born 23 Nov nee LAWLEY***Maternal Grandparents Joseph and Rebekah
FileNumber 9791

Holy Trinity, Sedgley, Staffs
RICHARD Hopwood, 8 March 1840 (birth 24 Jan 1840)
ANN Hopwood, 27 Aug 1843 (birth 8 Dec 1842)
SAMUEL, 1 June 1845 (birth 29 Jan 1845)
Parents JOHN/ANN-e, Father Occp Labourer or Furnaceman
Abode Ettingshall Lane

BURIALS;
St Peters, Wolverhampton
ANN Hopwood 1 Sept 1843, Infant, abode Etiingshall Lane
SAMUEL Hopwood, 7 Sept 1845, Infant, abode Montrose Green

ANN's 1843 Birth Reg on Gro Index has Mothers mn as LAWLEY***

For Ref 1841 we have;
John Hopwood,35
Anne Hopwood, 35
Joseph Hopwood, 13
John Hopwood, 7
Rebecca Hopwood, 4***
Richard Hopwood, 1
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 09:50 GMT (UK)
All on other post was from FreeREG, this from Familysearch.Org;

MARRIAGE;
12 October 1826, Moreton Corbet, Shropshire
Ann LAWLEY to John HOPWOOD

May I ask where Ann Davies comes from?
(Edit, got it Familysearch.Org)
But wrong Marriage for your John!

Rebeccas Hopswoods Baptism has Ann Lawley's Parents as Joseph/Rebecca

John PARKER and Rebeccas 1853 Marriage has her abode as Monmore Green which fits with her Brother Samuels Burial.
A Thomas OWEN was a Witness at that Marriage.
He married ELIZABETH Hopwood 9 March 1846, Her Father J Hopwood a Furnaceman
So another Child for John/Ann
JOSEPH Hopwood married 1852, Father John a Labourer
(Source FreeREG)

I think the the John Hopwood a Blacksmith was the one who married Ann Davies.

Its so easy to follow the wrong lines with out pircashing Birth Certs of Children born post 1837.
You are lucky the the GRO Index with Mothers maiden names is now up and running.

Also thanks to FreeREG for its wonderful Volunteers we have Ann mn and Parents names.

Trish :)
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:09 GMT (UK)
F/S.Org

MARRIAGE;
31 January 1807, Prees, Shropshire, Joseph LAWLEY to Rebecca WILLIAMS

CHRISTENINGS, only searched 1807-1810
ANN*** Lawley, 27 Sept 1807 Prees, Parents JOSEPH/REBECCA
ELIZABETH Lawley, 30 Dec 1810 Prees, Parents JOSEPH/REBECCA (Williams)

There is also a JOHN Lawley Buried 14 February 1824, Moreton-Corbet, Shropshire
Parents Joseph/Rebecca Firs as John Hopwood/Ann Lawley marry there.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:26 GMT (UK)
1841 in Moreton Corbet, Shropshire;
Joseph Lawley, 55
Rebecca Lawley, 55
William Lawley, 21
Thomas Lawley, 20
Mary Lawley, 15
John Bates, 25

On Anc
JOSEPH Lawley Burial Date   28 Nov 1841 Moreton Corbet
REBECKAH Lawley, Burial Date 10 May 1857   Moreton-Corbet

1851 Rebecca Lawley is born c 1781 Hodnet, Shropshire
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:39 GMT (UK)
I think you need to find the Christenings of all John/Anns Children in Shropshire from 1826.
This will give you a indication of possible Parents  names for John.
2 Children are named after Ann Lawleys Parents as you can see Joseph/Rebecca.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 30 December 16 10:50 GMT (UK)
For ref this is Thomas/Elizabeth in Wolverhampton in 1851;
Thomas Owen, 27, born Berriew, Monmouthshire, Wales
ELIZABETH Owen, 23, born Snedshill, Shropshire (indexed as this)***
Ann Owen, 3

So Elizabeth Hopwood born c 1828
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Friday 30 December 16 19:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am a bit confused here.

Is this your Rebecca in 1851 in Wolverhampton,  Staffordshire with Parents/Siblings?

John Hopwood, 47, Head, Mar, Furnace Labourer, born Weston, Shropshire
Ann Hopwood, 44, born Prees
Joseph Hopwood, 22, born Lilleshall
John Hopwood, 17, Hodnell
REBECCA Hopwood, 14, born Bilston, Staffordshire  ****
Richard Hopwood,11, born Bilston

BAPTISMS;

REBECKAH  Hopwood, 24 Feb 1837, George St Methodist, Wolverhampton
Parents JOHN/ANN
Abode Ettingshall
Notes;  Born 23 Nov nee LAWLEY***Maternal Grandparents Joseph and Rebekah
FileNumber 9791

Holy Trinity, Sedgley, Staffs
RICHARD Hopwood, 8 March 1840 (birth 24 Jan 1840)
ANN Hopwood, 27 Aug 1843 (birth 8 Dec 1842)
SAMUEL, 1 June 1845 (birth 29 Jan 1845)
Parents JOHN/ANN-e, Father Occp Labourer or Furnaceman
Abode Ettingshall Lane

BURIALS;
St Peters, Wolverhampton
ANN Hopwood 1 Sept 1843, Infant, abode Etiingshall Lane
SAMUEL Hopwood, 7 Sept 1845, Infant, abode Montrose Green

ANN's 1843 Birth Reg on Gro Index has Mothers mn as LAWLEY***

For Ref 1841 we have;
John Hopwood,35
Anne Hopwood, 35
Joseph Hopwood, 13
John Hopwood, 7
Rebecca Hopwood, 4***
Richard Hopwood, 1

Thanks so much for this Trish!
You must have spent ages working on my topic and I am really grateful as I'm sure I was following the wrong thread. I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind me asking them. Where can I find mothers' maiden names on FreeReg as I don't know how you found them - and also the fact that Rebecca  was baptised at George St Methodist. I couldn't find that either. I'm also still trying to find out who John Hopwood b. 1798 - 1806 parents were. Some on Ancestry say that they were Joseph b. 1752 and Mary Broughall. If you let me know where to look I'd be really grateful.
Once again thanks so much!
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 31 December 16 06:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am happy I could help ( it keeps the brain cells working!)

It was still 30 degrees here at midnight in Sydney so being in the air-conditioned lounge on the computer was a good option (to hot to sleep!)

Ok, I am still using the original FreeREG Site, not FreeREG2.

This is the one I use;
http://freereg1.freereg.org.uk/

Click on Search Parish Registers and then click on Search now

For 1st one I posted;

Click on Baptism
Type in Surname Hopwood
Type in year 1837
Scroll down and click on Staffordshire
Press Search
For some reason her Baptism is entered 4 times.
Click on the number to the side and whole entry will come up

If you have any trouble from there let me know :)
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 31 December 16 06:08 GMT (UK)
As for John Hopwood will look a little more later as nothing obvious popped up for me on him.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Saturday 31 December 16 11:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Julie,
I am happy I could help ( it keeps the brain cells working!)

It was still 30 degrees here at midnight in Sydney so being in the air-conditioned lounge on the computer was a good option (to hot to sleep!)

Ok, I am still using the original FreeREG Site, not FreeREG2.

This is the one I use;
http://freereg1.freereg.org.uk/

Click on Search Parish Registers and then click on Search now

For 1st one I posted;

Click on Baptism
Type in Surname Hopwood
Type in year 1837
Scroll down and click on Staffordshire
Press Search
For some reason her Baptism is entered 4 times.
Click on the number to the side and whole entry will come up

If you have any trouble from there let me know :)
WoW! You're in Sydney! It's 5 degrees here in North Yorkshire England! Happy New Year and thanks once again for your help - I'll look at the above info. today.
Best wishes
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 31 December 16 11:50 GMT (UK)
Just signing out Julie,
Back tomorrow,
I can handle the cold but not the heat!
Happy New Year to you too :)
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Saturday 31 December 16 17:06 GMT (UK)
Just signing out Julie,
Back tomorrow,
I can handle the cold but not the heat!
Happy New Year to you too :)

Hi Trish,
Hope the heat didn't keep you awake! I just have 1 more question: You say that ANN's 1843 Birth Reg on Gro Index has Mothers mn as LAWLEY*** - I have spent ages but can't find her mother's maiden name anywhere. Could you point me to the GRO index where you accessed it?
Thanks so much again
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 31 December 16 17:32 GMT (UK)
Hi helping out, if you look back at the baptism of Ann Hopwood she was born 8th December 1842 baptism 1843!
Go to www.gro.gov.uk register yourself ( No charge) and away you go.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Saturday 31 December 16 19:39 GMT (UK)
Hi helping out, if you look back at the baptism of Ann Hopwood she was born 8th December 1842 baptism 1843!
Go to www.gro.gov.uk register yourself ( No charge) and away you go.
Keyboard86

Thanks so much!
Julie
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Tuesday 07 July 20 17:04 BST (UK)
Hi. What a wonderful discussion re John Hopwood! I had worked out that he married Ann Lawley not Davies but didn't know that he and Ann had another daughter Elizabeth so something else for me to work on.However has anyone now managed to work out who John's parents were as I'm still up the proverbial gumtree on this. Also I noted that on the 1851 census all the family were marked as blind deaf or dumb as were several others in the street. Any knowledge of this? I wondered if it was anything to do with the foundry industry or just a mistake on the part of the person undertaking the census.
Any help on John gratefully received as been stuck on this (He is my 4th great grandfather apparently!!!
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: JBB on Tuesday 07 July 20 17:41 BST (UK)
Hi Bartok

After much research, I found that John's parents were Joseph Hopwood b. c. 1752  d. 16th Jan. 1823 aged 71
Mary Broughal b. c. 1770  d. 26th April 1849 aged 79/80.

Hope this helps!

JBB
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Wednesday 08 July 20 08:11 BST (UK)
Hi JBB. Thanks for quick reply. I'd plumped for them-the stated Weston birthplace was confusing. Did you have a Samuel (1794-1869) as one of their children? I can't decide on him. He married a Hannah Booth and then in the course of time became a farmer of 35 acres in Shropshire employing several people.

Happy hunting!!
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 08 July 20 14:58 BST (UK)
Its good to see this query revived and to find you both connect.

SAMUEL Hopwood was christened 1 Jan 1794 Prees to JOSEPH/MARY (F/S.Org)
Siblings;
MARTHA 1 Jan 1795
JOHN 1 March 1798
JANE 3 Mar 1805
Martha seems to have never married.

Jane married Thomas DRAYCOTT 22 Mar 1828 Prees

1841 Census
Leyland, Lancashire***
Thomas DRAYCOTT 35 Innkeeper
JANE 35
Thomas 12
Martha 10
George 3
William 1
Over the page next door;
Martha HOPWOOD 70 Ind (EDIT should be MARY)
Martha 40
+ 2 servants

1851 Martha is with her unm brother THOMAS born c 1793 Steel? (Anc)
Cant find a christening for him but as Joseph/Mary married 31 Oct 1790 Shrewsbury then his birth fits in.

I am a bit confused as to Marys age at death as this seems to be the reg?
HOPWOOD, MARY age 72 
GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 20  Page 96
(c 1777)
Someone got it wrong!!

Trish :)
 

Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Thursday 09 July 20 11:06 BST (UK)
Hi. Thanks for quick response. Yes, this has been the ideal time to get amongst my ancestors-no chance of catching COVID from them!! Good to hear from you and I hope you and yours are safe and well.
My clever husband has worked out that Thomas was probably born in Steel Heath which is very close to Coton Wood which I'm sure I've seen mentioned in one of the family records, and this is close to Prees. So now I'm working on Thomas.
I wonder how brother Samuel acquired land? Perhaps it was left to his wife Hannah as several of her sibling brothers died young. Either that or I'm getting confused somewhere with my Samuels.
Thanks for the info anyway and I'll incorporate it into the stuff I have already.
All best.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Thursday 09 July 20 11:50 BST (UK)
Hi. I have a record of Mary's death as
Burial Date 11 Dec 1859 Burial Parish Prescot, St Mary, Lancashire, England Register Type
Parish Register Reference NumberPR 3404/1/50.

I know that she succeeded Thomas because there was a probate record for him in which she was cited as recipient of effects under £100.
Death Date 3 Sep 1859 Death Place Lancaster, England Probate Date 30 Nov 1859
Probate Registry Liverpool, England.
Hope this is of use.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 09 July 20 12:25 BST (UK)
OOPS sorry I typed up wrong name on 1841 Census!
Should be;
MARY Hopwood 70****
Martha Hopwood 40
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Thursday 09 July 20 15:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Trish. Just had an exciting breakthrough today. Still can't find Thomas' baptism but I have found a last will and testament in which he leaves contents of house etc to sister Martha plus an annuity, Brewery equipment and premises to nephew Samuel and all his land in Prees to brother Samuel. Still trying to decipher the rest of it but that's how Samuel changed from a Shoemaker to a farmer of 35 acres. Wouold love to know more about Joseph and Mary now as where did he get all this from?
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: WJM1087 on Wednesday 18 November 20 15:01 GMT (UK)
Can I join the conversation about John Hopwood (b 1798 Prees) and Thomas Hopwood (b1793 Shropshire)? 

I have both in my tree as the sons of Joseph Hopwood (1752-1823) of Weston Under Redcastle and Mary Broughall (1770 – 1849). 

Thomas (1793-1852)
Samuel (1974-1869)
Martha (1795-1872)
John (1798 – 1835)
Joseph (1799-1821)
Jane (1803-1859).

My interest is Jane Hopwood, who marries Thomas Draycott in 1828.  They were both from Prees Shropshire and Thomas was a butcher.  But in the 1841 census the Draycott family, along with Jane’s widowed mother Mary Hopwood, and Jane’s sister Martha Hopwood, are in Standish Wigan.  Thomas is shown as the inn keeper of the Black Bull Inn.  So my lockdown project has been to find out why Thomas Draycott moved from Shropshire to Standish.  We know the family were at Standish on 16 April 1837 when his son John Draycott was baptised at Standish.

I had no joy with Thomas Draycott, so I looked at the Black Bull In itself.  The inn keeper at the Black Bull before Thomas Draycott was John Hopwood.  He died in 1835 aged 37 years in Standish.    I have a copy of John Hopwood's will papers and they list “Mary Hopwood, the mother, Thomas Hopwood, Samuel Hopwood. Martha Hopwood, Jane Draycott late Jane Hopwood Spinster, the brothers and sisters of John Hopwood late of Standish in the County aforesaid, publican deceased”.  So I am not sure that the John Hopwood in the 1851 census is the son of Joseph Hopwood and Mary Broughall.

On Thomas Hopwood and Martha Hopwood, Thomas Moulsdale lodged with them in Prescot (see the 1841 and 1851 census with Thomas Hopwood).  Thomas Moulsdale died in 1851 and left bequests to both Thomas and Martha.  Thomas Moulsdale’s will is on Ancestry. 

Martha Hopwood died 1872 and also left a will, which is on FindMyPast in which she left bequests to a number of family members.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Monday 19 July 21 18:13 BST (UK)
After reading the latest post re John Hopwood who died in Wolverhampton, 1867, I think we can definitely rule out Joseph and Mary Broughall as his parents as their son John died in 1835 as stated above, and all the sibling info matches. The burial info at Merridale cemetary states "HOPWOOD John, 66years, 24 Mar 1867, Monmore Green St.Matthew Labourer 7558 G2/05795. This ties in with his address and his occupation as Furnace labourer. So back to drawing board for me, I'm afraid!!
Best wishes to all.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 20 July 21 07:44 BST (UK)
I have no idea if this of any use - just seen the reference to
Joseph Hopwood b 1752 - Weston under Redcastle -

https://gw.geneanet.org/madgarry?n=hopwood&oc=&p=joseph
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: Sue Lindsay on Tuesday 20 July 21 20:58 BST (UK)
Hi. Thanks for reply. This is the family line that I pursued for many months and have now just abandoned. Hey Ho!!! But thanks anyway. All best wishes.
Title: Re: John Hopwood b. 1798-1806
Post by: WJM1087 on Thursday 16 September 21 15:42 BST (UK)
Thank you for the link.  I’ve been looking again at Joseph Hopwood (1752 – 1823) who married Mary Broughall.  I’m not convinced now that he is the son of Peter and Rebecca Hopwood of Weston Under Redcastle.  Unfortunately there are two Joseph Hopwoods baptised in 1752 and buried 1822/23.  One is the son of Peter and Rebecca of Weston Under Redcastle baptised 31 May 1752.  And I think it is likely that he is the one buried at St Luke’s in Weston Under Redcastle on 9 December 1822 aged 70 years (labourer).  The other Joseph Hopwood died on 10 Jan 1823 aged 71 and is buried at Prees with wife Mary and children.  There is a baptism for Joseph Hopwood on 26 June 1752, the son of Richard and Amey Hopwood of Whitchurch, and I think this Joseph is the one buried at Prees.  Richard (1719-1802) is the brother of Peter Hopwood (see link above).