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Title: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 01:00 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Please could someone help me decipher the word above 'That your petitioner was never'.  For the life of me I can't make it out.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: phenolphthalein on Tuesday 10 January 17 01:03 GMT (UK)
It says sheweth ie in modern terms shows
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 01:07 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Pheno for your help.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 01:48 GMT (UK)
Here are some sections from the petition letter that I'm having difficulties with:

Petition 1 Image:
James Robinson * *

Petition 2 Image
James Hunt of * * * in

Petition 3 Image:
Warwick of * linen off * in

Petition 4 Image:
James * in the parish

Many thanks for any help on these issues.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: sami on Tuesday 10 January 17 01:52 GMT (UK)
Here are two:

Petition 1:
James Robinson Prinsable Witness

Petition 4:
James Pool in the parish

sami
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: StevieSteve on Tuesday 10 January 17 02:09 GMT (UK)
A couple of suggestions

Headlis Cross

West Linen
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 08:23 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Sami.  Thank Steve for your help.  I've just searched a map of Warwick and there is a Linen Street.  Perhaps referring to this area.

Still unsure of what follows Linen.  Linen off * in.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: John Townsend on Tuesday 10 January 17 09:36 GMT (UK)
The word above "That your petitioner was never" is "Sheweth".
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 10:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks John.  Sami had already provided the answer to that one.

Can anyone work out what follows linen off * in?
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: StevieSteve on Tuesday 10 January 17 11:42 GMT (UK)
Do the words after 'in' give any clues?
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 14:52 GMT (UK)
It reads as follows:

in the year 1819.  So not much help unfortunately.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 15:45 GMT (UK)
West Linen, is referring to not a place name but the item stolen from James Hunt.  It now reads:

Robbing James Hunt of Headless Cross in the parish of Ipsley in the county of Warwick of west linen off (something) in the year 1819.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: Bookbox on Tuesday 10 January 17 16:06 GMT (UK)
It's wett Linen (not west). Stealing wet linen off a washing-line was a common offence. Not sure of the last word, though.

ADDED - perhaps something like ...off a ledge...(?). Or ...off an Edges (= hedges)?
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: sami on Tuesday 10 January 17 16:29 GMT (UK)
It's wett Linen (not west). Stealing wet linen off a washing-line was a common offence. Not sure of the last word, though.

ADDED - perhaps something like ...off a ledge...(?)

I see - an Edge? in.....  Can't figure out the last letter of that word. "off a ledge" makes more sense but I can't see that either.

sami
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: Bookbox on Tuesday 10 January 17 16:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry, sami, I added a bit more while you were posting! I also think it's (h)edges, or similar. That could be a long final s at the end? Spreading out the washing to dry on the hedges was common enough practice.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: Bookbox on Tuesday 10 January 17 16:43 GMT (UK)
After further thought, I think it's actually written ...off an (h)Edg(er)y (= hedgery), with an er abbreviation running through the descender of the letter y at the end.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: ostrauts on Tuesday 10 January 17 17:05 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Sami and Bookbox for finding out the final word.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: Geoff-E on Tuesday 10 January 17 17:47 GMT (UK)
1810 newspapers mention James HUNT of Headless Cross "on the great road leading from Bromsgrove to Alcester" :)
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: sami on Tuesday 10 January 17 17:56 GMT (UK)
After further thought, I think it's actually written ...off an (h)Edg(er)y (= hedgery), with an er abbreviation running through the descender of the letter y at the end.

Good one Bookbox. I don't think I would have figured that one out.

sami
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: Bookbox on Tuesday 10 January 17 20:27 GMT (UK)
While I'm not fully confident about the writing of that last word, I think the sense is clear.
Title: Re: Petition Letter
Post by: Richard Knott on Tuesday 10 January 17 20:35 GMT (UK)
'Stealing wet linen off the hedges' was known as 'lully prigging' I think.

Richard