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Title: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:23 GMT (UK)
Hello good people of the forum.
I've tried Ancestry and FindMyPast but cannot find details of my G Grandfathers death, I hope someone can help please.
His name is William Robert Brown, year of birth 1879 Londonderry Ireland.Joined the Royal Field Artillery in 1900, He served in WW1 then went to India til 1919, from 1922 he's on the London Electoral Registers. Last known address Drill Hall Ennersdale Road SE13 Lewisham Dated 1937.  (London, England Electoral Registers 1832-1965 on Ancestry).
Cannot find him on the 1939 register or find a grave.com, Maud is his wife and Ena his Daughter.
I hope this is enough information, and thank you for your time. 
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:29 GMT (UK)
Possibly  :-\

William R Brown
Death Registration   March qtr 1945
Age at Death 65
Reg dist   Lewisham
1d /    851
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:29 GMT (UK)
Have you discounted the March quarter 1945 registration:

William R Brown aged 65 - Lewisham, page 851

 :-\
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: groom on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:38 GMT (UK)
Quote
I've tried Ancestry and FindMyPast but cannot find details of my G Grandfathers death,

Have you tried the free sites such as FreeBMD and the GRO site, often much better for finding deaths?
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: josey on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:38 GMT (UK)
Did he marry a Bertha?

I have pm'ed you.
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:39 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your fast reply's, appreciated, i did not know he died that late, cannot see him on the Electoral registers for that time period, also cannot find a grave. I'm impressed with the speed of your responses, thank you.
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:40 GMT (UK)
No, Maud was his wife.
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: josey on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:41 GMT (UK)
OK, thanks.

ADDED: Deceased online has this in the free index, you can register & pay for extra details
Last name Brown
first names William Robert
burial date 03 August 1945
location Lewisham
There is one other burial in the grave. However this doesn't fit the death found by bumblebee & rosie
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:44 GMT (UK)
When/where  was Ena born
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: josey on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:47 GMT (UK)
Last known address Drill Hall Ennersdale Road SE13 Lewisham Dated 1937.  (London, England Electoral Registers 1832-1965 on Ancestry).
Strangely this sounds like an accommodation address  ???
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:52 GMT (UK)
4 Children altogether, Phyllis, Born 1907 Exeter
                                Gilbert 1911 Exeter
                                Ena Margaret 1913 Farnborough
                                Monica Isabelle Louraine 1916 Farrnborough
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:54 GMT (UK)
He is living with Maud and his children at that Address, He left the Army in 1921, may have rejoined TA
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:58 GMT (UK)
http://www.steppingforwardlondon.org/400186.html

Location:   Ennersdale Road, Lewisham
Built:   Pre-1914
Status 2014:   Demolished
Timeline of Resident Units
1914   HQ 10 & 11 Battery and Ammunition Column 4 London (H) Brigade RFA
1936   
91st (4th London) Field Battery
361st (5th London) Field Battery
362nd (6th London) Field Battery
363rd (7th London) Field Battery
364th (8th London) Field Battery
1947   291 (4 London) Airborne Field Regiment RA (TA) and Airborne RE and Mechanical Engineers LAD
1963   291 Field Regiment RA (TA)
Last Known Unit
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 13:59 GMT (UK)
Thank you all,
Josey, does it say who is buried in the grave with this William R Brown, so 1 death register and a grave that does not match, where do i go from here, thanks again for your responses, all appreciated
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 January 17 14:05 GMT (UK)
The burial on deceased online matches this death registration from freebmd
Deaths Sep 1945   
William R Brown age  61   
Lewisham    1d   498

Added
You will need a subscription or credits to look at deceased online to find out who else is in the grave.
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: josey on Wednesday 11 January 17 14:07 GMT (UK)
The burial on deceased online matches this death registration from freebmd
Deaths Sep 1945   
William R Brown age  61   
Lewisham    1d   498
Ahh so not the right age. GGYD - you have to buy credits to see the details of the burial.

Snap rosie, should type faster  ;D

ADDED: Might be worth contacting Bereavement Services of Lewisham Council for information about the Mar 1945 death & burial. I found them very helpful [my grandparents grave is within their area].

Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: Annette7 on Wednesday 11 January 17 15:08 GMT (UK)
The one on findagrave was aged 61 and a builder so not the right man bur.3/8/1945 (death reg'd Sept.1945) so the death Mar.qtr.1945 still a possibility.

What became of wife Maud Margaret and dau. Ena as I can't see anything likely for them in records after 1937.

Annette
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 15:57 GMT (UK)
Maud went to South Africa, don't know when. Is there a grave for the March 1945 William Brown, thanks again for responses and help.
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 January 17 16:16 GMT (UK)
Maud went to South Africa, don't know when. Is there a grave for the March 1945 William Brown, thanks again for responses and help.

You can search deceased online free but need to pay for further information
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: josey on Wednesday 11 January 17 17:26 GMT (UK)
Do you have William's occupation after he left he army & his actual dob?
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 18:52 GMT (UK)
December 1879 21st I think
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: Sc00p on Wednesday 11 January 17 19:35 GMT (UK)
4 Children altogether, Phyllis, Born 1907 Exeter
                                Gilbert 1911 Exeter
                                Ena Margaret 1913 Farnborough
                                Monica Isabelle Louraine 1916 Farrnborough

Wife/Children on his attestation/service record

Wife: Maud Margaret Keowen? m 22-12-09 Exeter
Arthur William Audsley? b 27-05-11 Exeter
Phlys Ruby b 9-5-07 Exeter
Eva Margarett b 12-8-13 S. Farnborough
Monica Isobel Dorian b 5-9-16 Farnborough.

(Mauds surname is actually McKeowen, married Holy Trinity, Exeter. Grooms age 20, spouse 23).

In 1920 He is listed as Absent voter from 8 Park Rd, Farnborough.
Brown, William Robert 3646 B.S.M 504th Bty. R.F.A.

He attested Belfast 18-1-1899 stated age 20. 
Discharged Jan 1921, Para 392 (xxi), address on discharge Drill Hall, Ennersdale Rd, Hither Green.
Attestation/Service can be found under service number 1040246.

All this really does is make birth year of 1879 more likely. 
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Wednesday 11 January 17 20:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you ScOOp, I have all that information on him, I also have his birth certificate that I can't attach because the file is too big, but it does say December 1879. And Maud's maiden name was McKeown. Just Williams death I can't work out!
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: GGYD on Thursday 12 January 17 08:04 GMT (UK)
What information would I find out on deceased. Com about the March 1945 William Brown, seems the more than likely candidate,? Can't find that particular one on that site though, any help will be appreciated
Title: Re: Help with finding my Great Grandfathers death records
Post by: josey on Thursday 12 January 17 09:17 GMT (UK)
Only the 3 August 21945 burial William R Brown is on deceasedonline.com. See below for available info.

For other details [place, date & cause of death, occupation, informant etc] you will need to buy the death certificate [9.25 from GRO online].