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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: radstockjeff on Saturday 14 January 17 16:35 GMT (UK)
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Just come across this one. Any ideas of time and place. Possibly somewhere in Somerset.
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WellI don't really have any idea of the real reason or place, but this is my story . . . .
The 'school' is being taken down to the local soccer pitch for a match, ( I haven't counted,so it might be rugby rather than soccer - however I don't think it is cricket or athletics!) eldest boys leading, team in the middle and younger boys following to cheer! Sundry staff escorting.
Oh well - good theory/story anyhow! ;D ;D
I hope they won at whatever they were doing! ;)
Maybe 1930s?
Wiggy.
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I see the "big house" to the left of the photograph. What is the square box on legs in what appears to be on the next property? The globe light seems to be on private property. .
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Could the square box be a notice board facing the street?, or a scoreboard facing inwards. To me, behind the square box is a cleared area, which COULD possibly be a playing field. I am probably wrong, but putting out as a possibility.
Wiggy, you could be right in that some are in a sporting uniform. Trying to count, possibly soccer, as I don't think there are enough for rugby, but...............
AC
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;D ;D ;D I thought rugby has less that soccer!! Shows how much I know!
Isn't the globe over the gateway where a couple of men are standing watching the boys pass by. There seems to be some sort of notice board beside that gate as well as the possible score board further left. ;)
Just so we can all see what we are talking about!
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I count about 8 boys in sports gear.
A rowing eight?
They don't seem to be wearing leather football/rugby boots.
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I wonder if this is a coastal scene; the tree next to the house has the look of one turning against sea winds and salt spray. Also one of the men walking with the boys is wearing white trousers and possibly a blazer, which could indicate a boating activity of some sort.
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The chap standing in the gateway looks to be holding a football (soccer) ball?
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The chap standing in the gateway looks to be holding a football (soccer) ball?
I think it looks more like spare trousers rolled into a brown paper bag! ;)
One of the big boys has sandshoes on too - . . . and certainly one of theose in uniform is small enough to be a cox. I don't think it is rowing - don't know why - just don't.
I see what you mean about the tree GS. To me it looks more as if it has been chopped off on one side - for whatever reason I can't guess. None of the other trees seem similarly affected do they? :-\
Some of the boys in the front group don't appear to be in the same'uniform' as those around them.
Love those huge caps!! ;)
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Looks like the chap in the gateway is holding two packages to me.
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As a matter of interest, if you darken the image, you can see what could possibly be cliffs and a harbour with boats in the background.
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The globe light is on a wrought iron arch over the gate where the two men are standing. Agree there are notice boards to the right and left of gate, there is also a long notice board on the railings to the left of gateway. Could the gateway lead to a church I don't think it is to a house because of all the boards, unless it is a hotel. At the back of the cleared area there seems to be a large fence or gateway.
The big house also seems to have a small notice board outside on the railings, could this also be a hotel.
I agree with Greensleeves there appears to be something in the distance, but I can't make it any clearer.
The boys in the team seem to have quite an age range, the boys on the right look a lot older than the small boys on the left. It could be a rowing crew but the shirts don't look right for that.
When I was at school our playing fields used to be about quarter of a mile from the school and we had to walk in a procession like this, but we had changing rooms at the ground so we didn't wear our sports clothes to and from school.
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Some of the boys appear to be smiling up at the photographer! ;D
I think there is a 'board' at the other end of the cleared area also. The large stone solid fence seems to go round the property as far as we can see doesn't it.
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I think I see some kind of Hockey Stick ??? tucked under one of the boys arms.. probably already noted ;) ;) ;)
xin
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Just a comment so I can follow this thread!
I wonder if they are walking along a footpath rather than a pavement? Usually (well these days anyway) adults would walk on the road side when accompanying children - all those walking with the younger children at the back are on the inside.
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I can't see any school badges on any caps or blazers. As one man is wearing white trouses, I'm assuming he's the sports master of a school. There appears to be two teams amongst the crowd. Both teams are wearing white shorts, the team on the right wearing stripe shirts, the team on the left wearing dark shirts. I'm wondering if the school had "houses" and the crowd is heading for the sports field to watch some sort of competition.
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Blowed if I can see a second team. I must be going blind! :-\ ::)
Wiggy
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I had a feeling that the more sartorially elegant chap in the 'Oxfords' may be a black guy. I wondered if he might be a visiting celebrity sportsman?
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Hmmmm - don't get that impression myself. :-\ ::)
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It's obviously some event worthy of a photograph, so possibly an important match rather than just an ordinary walk to/ from the sports field. The photographer must have been much higher up and in a prominent position, as those at the front are very aware that they are having their picture taken and are looking up.
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I think I get it .... (well for my little mind :) )
OK some School / Schools somewhere .. have done extremely well in whatever sport ? (and they do have some kind of special shoe if you look very closely)
It is considered to be a very important occasion and a celebrity/semi royal is in attendance ..
This is shown by his extremely smart clothes and the fact that he is being 'ushered' along...
All the boys are very pleased to be taking part - smiling so they must have achieved something...
It is being specifically filmed or photographed and as someone already said the photographer is not just taking a snap... he has placed himself in a position high up to hopefully get a great pic.. AND :) ;) ??? I bet there are more photos and newspaper items somewhere regarding whats going on........'howzat'...
NOW I NEED TO KNOW WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. ??? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
xin
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Thanks for all the repsonses. I have put out various enquiries and am awaiting replies. Will let you know in due course if the query is settled. Meanwhile..............................................more Sherlocking
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Blowed if I can see a second team. I must be going blind! :-\ ::)
Wiggy
I've enlarged a bit of the original image to show the other set of boys wearing what I think are white sports shorts. Sorry it's blurry.
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You could well be right, Rena! I did see the one boy on our side but couldn't work out what he was carrying that was white - and it was his shorts, 'not a white flag'. ;D
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I found a cricket bat???
xin
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Things are being carried at the middle/rear of the procession.
1. Two boys are carrying a board, like a picture, maybe partially draped
2. Someone behind them is holding a large hurdle like object
3. Boy on left with what looks like a white paper bag or cloth
4. Maybe other items
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I found a cricket bat???
xin
They don't looked dressed for cricket though, do they?
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Why is one boy in the middle near the left hand gate facing backwards?
Is he walking backwards?
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Why is one boy in the middle near the left hand gate facing backwards?
Is he walking backwards?
Knowing children he's probably turned round to talk to his friend! ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Why is one boy in the middle near the left hand gate facing backwards?
Is he walking backwards?
Knowing children he's probably turned round to talk to his friend! ;D
Good reply!
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I think HandyPandy might be right and it is a visiting West Indian cricketer. Now whether he is the local Professional or part of a touring team I cant say. I would like to say I know West Indian cricketers of the late 50s? but I don't have any clue.
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I found a cricket bat???
xin
They don't looked dressed for cricket though, do they?
No, you're right.
It's a football (soccer team) on its way to an important match (locally important anyway). Maybe inter-school, maybe inter-house as suggested. Other than that, I don't think there are more conclusions that can be drawn from this. It's a nice record of the times though.
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I think HandyPandy might be right and it is a visiting West Indian cricketer. Now whether he is the local Professional or part of a touring team I cant say. I would like to say I know West Indian cricketers of the late 50s? but I don't have any clue.
White, or cream, trousers weren't exclusively for cricket?
Tennis players used to wear long white trousers; as did croquet players (one of my sports!)
In addition, white flannels were fashionable at certain times?! Especially 1920s.
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I am not at all convinced there is a dark skinned/West Indian person in that lot!
And I don't think they are going to play cricket either. ;) ;)
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I found a cricket bat???
xin
Or rounders bat?
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Thoughts on the location:
The procession is next to a park/garden with two formal gate entrances using the same globe lantern on metalwork. There are noticeboards in the park. Near the sea.
Wild guess: is it near Clifton College, Bristol?
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Pity we can't see what is on the notice board.
As I said before it is definitely an important event warranting the presence of a photographer.
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Isn't it wonderful what we have all discovered in this photograph. At first glance it's just some boys walking down a road with a few men but when you really look, there is so much more.
At least two of the boys are holding hands with another, they don't look very young perhaps they need assistance. One boy is at the very front and the other boy is in the middle, it looks as if he is holding both arms out.
There is also a boy in the leading group, near the wall, he hasn't got a coat on, is he holding something? There is another boy in the leading group, on the back row of boys with caps on, he is almost hidden, he is holding something up to his face perhaps he didn't want to be photographed.
Isn't it surprising what you can find.
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That one with the question mark almost looks like a woman - the only one (apart from the teams) not wearing a jacket and cap and he is wearing a strange shaped shirt.
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I cannot see darker skin on the chap with the white trousers? !!!!! the boy with the strange shirt, has a badge on the shirt, maybe a name tag. Could it be a 'boys home' Sports day .....
Just gone back to it... and the boy with the name tag. !!!! seems to be wearing German type shorts. Could it be an exchange trip.. and the ones without caps are not English maybe little refugees and that is why some are holding hands......
and has the man of indistinct em em uhm... colour got a beard??
delete if offensive, cos I have lost track of what is and what isn't these days. :)
xin
Question mark boy??? is he carrying a banner ???
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Have we got a date for this - certainly not war time as none are carrying gas masks?
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"the boy with the strange shirt, has a badge on the shirt"
Not a badge, but braces!
He looks to be wearing a baggy check work shirt, so maybe something to do with Ground Staff?
Giggsy
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I think the 'badge' on the boy's shirt, mentioned by Xin, might be a metal tag on braces. Snap Giggsy
I don't think the man in white flannels is dark skinned. His hands look too white.
Not sure those two boys are holding hands either - one has his arm forward, the other swinging back - think it might just be the angle of the photo.
It is a conundrum. ;)
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I think you are right about the boys not holding hands, Wiggy.
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Mid 1930's and either side.
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Me again :)
browsing the web for ideas and found one or two ?
http://www.levyboy.com/memories.htm this shows what is known as a 'Whit Walk' ?? and some really lovely clips of life back then.
http://cyberspaceandtime.com/V4GH_4m5jq0.video
and a really interesting video...
so all in all not the actual procession, but showing similar things.. of interest (to me at least :) )
xin
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Funnily enough, it was the first thing that sprang to mind when I first saw the pic. However, I soon ruled that out as there were no girls in evidence and the sports wear was.
Yes, I remember the 'Whit Walks'. I can't recall if ever I was personally involved although we were involved with the local church.
I do remember getting the new clothes, in which you had to trot around to the neighbours to show them off and get a few coppers. Kids today don't know they're.......
Ok.... I sound like my grandad ::)
And..... I still think the guy in the Oxfords looks like a black chap.... Wiggy... I rest my case! (http://i.imgur.com/tPIdp4I.jpg) ;D
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Does anyone else think that the 'celebrity' is sporting a very large moustache?
Michael.
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An unusual ALL MALE photograph, so presumably a boy’s school group.
http://soccer.epicsports.com/soccer-jersey-history.html
See two paragraphs, half way down the page – Team colours ….. & Soccer shirts …. Which would tie in with previous discussion re dating.
Looked at hundreds of wrought iron arches and yet to find one quite like that on the two gates illustrated. Most probably purchased locally.
Likewise the globe design of street lamp. However there are adverts for vintage style lamps that look very similar, but contain a halogen bulb. Clip attached of a 4, not 6 bander.
Does any one have access to the original photo so that high resolution copies can be made of the gated property / park signage.
The substantial walled in section (2) appears to be in two halves, and possibly has a large vehicular entrance from the side road, if that is tall wrought iron railing that can be seen in the background.
Walling in the grounds would have been quite costly to build.
If it were in NZ I would say either a public park with some sort of memorial, or a Christian institution. No evidence of tombstones for it to be a cemetery.
The established trees are all growing towards the light, and the one to the left may have grown up in the shadow of a mature tree since removed.
My penny worth.
- Alan.
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Does anyone else think that the 'celebrity' is sporting a very large moustache?
Michael.
yep I thought it was a large beard, but its a Walrus moustache I think....
xin
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This sort of puzzle is quite addictive, and I've been searching online... Found a photograph of a boys' football team on the Bournemouth Echo website whose strip looks remarkably similar. I'm not saying it's the same team but the date is 1926-7. Stourfield Senior School. Scroll through their archive photos. I didn't like to copy it in case of copyright.
I searched old photos of the Bournemouth area but
I can't find a similar street.
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The strange thing is that not one female managed to "photobomb" the parade.
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I think there are two ladies in the first gateway ... probably 'matron' or something
xin
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Is the date of the photo perhaps later than has been suggested?
After enhancing the original pdf, the 'celebrity' appears to be holding something up to his mouth (surely not a microphone?) and the man on his left is leaning towards him to catch what is being said.
Also, in the park is what appears to be the back of a flight of steps but, as they do not seem to lead to anything, perhaps it is the entrance to an underground shelter (for air raids?).
Even more puzzling . . . .
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After enhancing the original pdf, the 'celebrity' appears to be holding something up to his mouth (surely not a microphone?) and the man on his left is leaning towards him to catch what is being said.
The hook of his finger looks like he is holding a pipe to me.
Mo
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The hook of his finger looks like he is holding a pipe to me.
Mo
Certainly a much more logical conclusion,
Michael.
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Also, in the park is what appears to be the back of a flight of steps but, as they do not seem to lead to anything, perhaps it is the entrance to an underground shelter (for air raids?).
If so that would probably make it post about 1944, as before then all the children would be carrying gas masks.
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Hello again.
When I go back to the attached pdf copy of the photograph I see a different image in the left gateway. Pity we don't have an original source for the photo, which could allow for higher resolution scans of portions of interest.
Looking at the photo on the posting, I thought I was making out a child facing a woman in white.
But how many like me, now believe they can see a man; cap, white shirt hunched over a camera mounted upon a tripod ?
The photo has been taken from an elevated vantage where the walkers can acknowledge the camera man. Would it have been an upstairs window from across the road?
Also thought I could see a reflection of advertising type in the corner tree but now believe that is due to the digital processing we are putting the jpg image to, as we explore and enlarge.
- Alan.
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If so that would probably make it post about 1944, as before then all the children would be carrying gas masks.
I don't think the lack of gas masks helps clarify the date - I was at school throughout WW2 and cannot remember myself or any class mates ever carrying one (I seem to remember my father keeping them all on top of a wardrobe!).
However, I wasn't very keen with my original air-raid shelter suggestion but put it forward anyway just in case because I couldn't think of many alternatives for the 'reverse stairs' in the park.
The photo is much more likely to be early 1900's - moustaches mostly went out of fashion at the turn of the century & most of the men appear to be clean-shaven.
Of course, none of this helps with the location.
Michael.
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Hello again.
Looking at the photo on the posting, I thought I was making out a child facing a woman in white.
But how many like me, now believe they can see a man; cap, white shirt hunched over a camera
mounted upon a tripod ?
- Alan.
I agree; it seems to be a man in a long white coat (lab coat?) changing the wet plate in a camera on a tripod with a female assistant on his left.
Edit: Sorry Alan, I was trying to put my photo on here at the same time as you were posting yours.
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Not sure about copyright so will not post a copy as WWI photos could still be under 100 years etc.
However on line there are several photos of Woman's teams wearing similar shirts. One is a PRESTON team.
Preston Army Pay Officer’s Football Team 1818, and Dick Kerr’s Ladies Soccer Team 1917 photos have ladies using similar soccer shirts. Yet to find a men's team other than a 1949 MTK Budapest team photo.
Must to work.
- Alan.
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Alan
You might want to edit the fifth word on the fifth line?? :o
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Trying not to read too much into this, but seven a side rugby " knockout competitions" were popular with schools and junior rugby teams.
I also wonder if, rather than a school, these are boys from a boys "home" as the age range seems too great for a school. (Except a public school, in which case they would be in school uniform)
Mike
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Alan
You might want to edit the fifth word on the fifth line?? :o
;D ;D ;D ;D A typo I presume. I thought RC "caught" words like that.
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I also wonder if, rather than a school, these are boys from a boys "home" as the age range seems too great for a school. (Except a public school, in which case they would be in school uniform)
Mike
That had crossed my mind as well, Mike. They aren't smart enough for a public school and there is a large age range.
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Alan
You might want to edit the fifth word on the fifth line?? :o
THANKS
Alan.
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I've just found a clearer copy and which shows a little bit more of the background.
If only we could trim the branches back off the trees by the square notice board we might get a better idea of where this is.
Hope this helps a little more.
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The age of the cars will help anyhow!
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Looks as if there are at least 3 teams? The boys in the striped shirts at the front, a team in white shorts and towards the back a team in white shirts.
Also there is a woman wearing a hat near the back of the line. I still find it strange that majority of the adults appear to be walking on the inside and the boys are all in the road.
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Thanks Jeff.
I can definitely see now a photographer in the left gateway. Dark hat, white shirt, waistcoat etc, hunched over his camera on a tripod.
With two camera men recording the group, I had been wondering if they were only a section of a parade through a village, like on Armistice Day Celebrations. But not so.
Uniform soccer shirts and the vehicles suggest late 1920's to me.
Alan.
PS. Who is green fingered ? Lt foreground tree, clean trunked, long drooping slender branches with quite broad leaves. Looks a bit exotic for cool snow swept city environs. Can just make out multi-storied buildings in the background.
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Frustrating that there is obviously writing on that noticeboard.
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I can definitely see now a photographer in the left gateway. Dark hat, white shirt, waistcoat etc, hunched over his camera on a tripod.
And I was just going to say that the new photo makes it clearer that there are two women standing in the second gateway. :-\ :-\ ;)
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I can definitely see now a photographer in the left gateway. Dark hat, white shirt, waistcoat etc, hunched over his camera on a tripod.
And I was just going to say that the new photo makes it clearer that there are two women standing in the second gateway. :-\ :-\ ;)
I agree with you Wiggy, looks like two women and a girl in one of those white pinafore frocks with her back to the boys, to me.
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The cars say anytime after the very late 1920s to me. The tree looks like a young beech, this years first flush is well under way, so late May to July.
I think the boy in striped shirt nearest the gate is carrying a cricket bat, you can see his fingers curled round the wide blade, with the handle tucked under his arm, so maybe the guy in the white flannels is a well known cricketer, and also the real reason for the photo.
Mike
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Don't think it helps much but I've upped the contrast a tad. I'm curious about the item in the background??
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I think there is a big wheel in the background....
there is definitely a lady in the bushes
praps having a sneaky ..... ciggy...
xin
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Good evening,
The most frustrating thing is the long notice board on the fence. It's been covered over with a sheet so we can't read the important details like "where it is".
The tall gent, cricketer, coloured chap certainly seems to be talking into a microphone but we know he isn't. In that era it would have needed a lead on it and equipment to reproduce the sound. WIFI hadn't yet been invented.
John915
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I think as previously suggested he is smoking a pipe, the man next to him has a cigarette in his hand doesn't he?
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And what is confusing the ladies in the gateway is the pillar on the other side of the gate - so I think anyhow!
I'm with you on the pipe smoking - the way his forefinger is curled around the bowl of the pipe rings true to me.
OR - he's just walking along and that's how he is holding his hand as he speaks to the other buy. ;)
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Spotting on the photograph, or a Ferris Wheel in the distance ?
- Alan.
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Not sure what that object can be in the back ground but I agree that it looks as if there's a big wheel. So it could be something to do with a fair being held there. It looks as if there is a track beside the big house that leads up to the area with the big wheel. In our local area we always have a May Fair, usually at the beginning of May.
I definitely think the guy in the white trousers is some sort of 'celebrity'. His outfit is very dapper!
Chris
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The object in the background could be a Tall Ship with sails hoisted.
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I think it's boys from either a local school or orphanage. The chap in white trousers is the sports master and the ladies bringing up the rear are the usual school matron/nurse. When I was young it was usual for all schools in my area that all pupils belonged to one of four "houses", which competed with/against each other. I think this is possibly their inter house sports day. If that is a ferris wheel in the background it could suggest a coastal village.
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If that is a ferris wheel in the background it could suggest a coastal village.
See reply #6
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I think that they have arrived at the railway station and are walking to the sports ground, possibly for a county schools sports day.
I am guilty of wild guesses, like our absent friend ;D ;D
Mike
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I think we are at a point of No return as most of the responses seem to duplicate earlier tries on this one now... so
'I'm Out'
;D
enjoy
xin
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............. it could suggest a coastal village.
The OP suggested Somerset as a possibility. I have spent hour after hour (I reckon at least 20.....{I'm obsessed}......), googletrawling the area, the odd clue but nothing substantive. I think I'm ready to throw in the towel.
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I am guilty of wild guesses, like our absent friend ;D ;D
Mike
;D ;D ;D
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It reminds me of the road down from Beachy Head where it comes down into Eastbourne, there is a school on the right. I'm pretty sure it isn't there though, but a similar sort of layout.
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Oh, please don't give up. I love to read the suggestions and comments.
I do think it is a bit odd that there are obvious sports teams but none of the other boys are in a uniform with a blazer and badge which might indicate a boys' home as has been suggested.
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Good thinking, Jan ;D
I know what you mean.
Don't the walls look like a similar construction to many in Eastbourne?
Too low to be The Saffrons, I think?
And the tower is too close to the sea to be the Town Hall clock?
(Is that what I can see from Compton Croquet Club?! ;D)
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I must admit to have been a little devious on this one.
I did know where it was but was more interested in the history of what was happening and when.
Here's a picture of the location at around mid day today (Sunday). This should enable you to identify the place. Most of the shrubbery has now disappeared. And you can see the buildings at the far end of the street. And the building in the middle distance is still there, slightly modified.
Yes it is in Somerset.
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx251/radstockjeff/DSCF1889_zpscxjoliqa.jpg) (http://s761.photobucket.com/user/radstockjeff/media/DSCF1889_zpscxjoliqa.jpg.html)
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My two-penn'orth to add to the confusion!
The car behind the boys - bullnose Morris? (Oxford or Cowley). They were manufactured up to 1926.
The building to the right of the car - shop window downstairs, bay windows upstairs, perhaps.
It looks as though at the time of the photograph there was no footpath on one side of the road.
Boys with white feet, presumably plimsolls. I have vague memories of putting whitening on them when I was at junior school.
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I must admit to have been a little devious on this one.
I did know where it was
It seems a bit strange to let people go on searching for the location when you knew it all the time :-\
I'm glad I didn't join in :-\
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You could have asked us if we knew what was happening instead of keeping us guessing where it was. A bit like Midsomer murders with a big clue in the original posters name.
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I'm not a happy bunny to be honest. So much time wasted trying to be helpful, only to learn that it was some sort of quiz, when, if we had known from the outset, we could have been researching the history of the pic. Unbelievable.
I'm out.
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I'm with Jen and Trishanne here, your post asks " Where? " Why ask that when you knew already? Some people have probably wasted a lot of time trying to answer that. It would have been much better if you'd asked "When and Why?"
I see there is a school notice, is that an old school, if so perhaps that is a clue.
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To save anyone still guessing, its High St, Midsomer Norton.
Still out ;D
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That was a bit Naughty Jeff :-\...I didn't join in...but I did spend quite some time searching and trying to match up the landscape.
Carol
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I am really cross, having wasted a considerable amount of time looking at maps and images in an attempt to help find a location which was already known to the OP. This time could have been spent helping someone who really needed it, instead of someone who was just playing games with us. I think an apology would be in order.
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Is it not a little like doing a crossword, you know that the answers are known to the compiler but the interest is in finding out, and what you learn on the way,
This and many other very similar threads are not put forward as family history related, it is our own choice to participate or not.
Mike
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Is it not a little like doing a crossword, you know that the answers are known to the compiler but the interest is in finding out, and what you learn on the way,
This and many other very similar threads are not put forward as family history related, it is our own choice to participate or not.
Mike
FIFY
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I think the problem here is that the title asks "Where?" If Jeff had said that he knew where it was. that would have saved people spending time trying to find out what was already known. I can understand why people are cross.
I agree Mike, we do choose whether to participate, but we were misled in this case.
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I disagree, Mike. If the OP knows the location, this should be stated at the outset, and that would enable participants to join in or not, depending whether they enjoyed the thrill of the chase, or preferred to help someone who actually needed assistance.
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We all have different opinions, that is what makes the world go round, but for me it is a lot less irritating than spending a long time looking for mistranscription of a name, only for the OP to say
"I knew that already"
Mike
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OK , I should have been a little more precise in my query - "when and what? and not "where and when?"
But I did suggest at the outset it could be Somerset and as Trishanne points out there is a clue in my name - Radstock being just a couple of miles down the tracks.
However I am still looking for When and What - if these eventually come to light I will post the results.
So apologies to those I might have offended or misled in any manner.
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You can come off the naughty step now then jeff :P ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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You haven't answered my question about the school - was it there in the 1920s, if it was why not contact them and see if they have anything in their log books? If, as suggested, that is an important man in the white trousers, it will have been recorded there.
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Good afternoon,
Some good pictures on Francis Frith.
Carol, I think you are being a little lenient. Another couple of hrs I think.
John915
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Carol, I think you are being a little lenient. Another couple of hrs I think.
John915
DAYS
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I don't know about a naughty step, but I'd have to think twice about offering any help again. A pretty shabby trick.
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I read your post and was then busy. I was going to suggest you duck down behind one of the walls and the messages have confirmed my thoughts! ::)
You should have realised when you posted at # 67 that people were spending a lot of time trying to be helpful. You didn't even confirm what you knew, it was couched in very vague terms and 'hints'.
I hope you are going to make every effort to find out please so we know where the boys were going. ;)
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I have already given that commitment
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Thanks Jeff,
It has intrigued us all. :)
Heywood
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Ok...I'm not one to bear a grudge... If it was 1926, I wonder if they are on a visit to Welton Rovers F.C round the corner, to celebrate the Somerset Senior Cup win?
Maybe a visit to the ground is in order.
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I also feel cross about being asked where this was when you knew all along.... However to put that aside, try searching local newspaper records, say 1925 to 1930.
P
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When I googled Midsomer Norton a couple of things caught my eye
1. The Prince of Wales passed through there in July 1923. Could the boys be either on their way or returning from cheering him on?
2. Frederick Pratten was born there in 1904. He played County Cricket for Somerset in 1930. Could he have been the man in the white trousers? (Thinking about the boy carrying the cricket bat)
Just a couple of thoughts
Chris
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could it be Frederick Prattern then ??? here is a pic from google
sorry wrong fred prattern removed
xin
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Mmm? I usually look at the ears as often they give a good clue, but the original photo isn't really clear enough to make out the features. Similar receding hairline though.
Chris
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The Prince of Wales passed through there in July 1923. Could the boys be either on their way or returning from cheering him on?
I think the fact that some are in sports clothes rules that out. The second is a good idea though, especially if he'd been to watch them play a match. I wonder if he went to that school?
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The Frederick Pratten idea is a good one, but the photo Xin posted is of Frederick Graham Pratten, Australian Politician ;D . I can't seem to find a photo of Fred the cricketer.
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he he ....... good old google ... will remove :) sorry
xin
ps Thanks Jool :)
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Good evening,
I spent several hours poring over photo's looking for Frederick Pratten to no avail. He was though only a reserve who only actually turned out for Somerset 3 or 4 times. He was not a prolific run scorer but did bowl well.
My other thought was that although we discounted him being coloured, he could have been a guest. Both South Africa and the West Indies were in England for test tours in the 20s and 30s. Most South African players at that time were white albeit well tanned. Many West Indians were pale skinned rather than black.
I also found one photo which I believe has the chap talking to our "cricketer" in it. Will post it later when I return from the rifle club.
John915
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Easy mistake Xin, the way Mr. Google laid the page out was misleading :)
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I know :) but I should have double checked.. ::)
xin
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Good morning,
Here at last is the promised link, I think the chap seated centre with the hat could be the chap talking to our celebrity in white trousers.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jc6/ first photo.
John915
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Back again,
Perhaps radstockjeff could try this link. Give them all something to get their teeth into.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1535054120092953/
It's the Midsomer Norton past history photo booth
John915
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I have been following this Post and hope for an answer. It still surprises me that on this public street no female manages to get herself into the photograph.
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Back again,
Perhaps radstockjeff could try this link. Give them all something to get their teeth into.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1535054120092953/
It's the Midsomer Norton past history photo booth
John915
That's a great site. I'm sure if the photo was put out on there someone would know all about it and put us out of our misery >:(,
Chris
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Good morning,
I have been following this Post and hope for an answer. It still surprises me that on this public street no female manages to get herself into the photograph.
But there is, two of them in the second gateway. Specsavers for you ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
John915
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I have been asking around some of the locals and also the Radstock Museum, but without much luck so far.
Thanks John for that Midsomer Norton link- it's very interesting.
Will come back when I have something more positive.
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I read somewhere that there was a school a little further up, where the library is. May have been a starting point?
Edit: Somerville school, prior to moving to new premises.
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FL PRATTEN only played for Somerset in 1930/31 http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/18600.html
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The school is behind and to the left of the Methodist Church.
It was built on this site in about 1902 by the Methodists and was I believe a mixed school. Around 1920 it became known as the High Street Council Girls' School, but as far as I am able to ascertain there was a mixed school for both sexes for under 11 year olds.
Looking at the photo again the children in the main body of the procession look to be quite young, and all boys, but those at the head seem a bit older. But where are the girls?
My local contacts have suggested that they are going to West Clewes football field (Miners' Welfare ground) in North Road for Sports Day.
In answer to HandyPandy, yes I think there was a private school at some time further up the High Street on the left hand side.
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This is Fred Pratten of Somerset CCC