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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: mark foot on Saturday 14 January 17 22:00 GMT (UK)
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Susannah was born 1780/1781 in Mappowder and was married to Titus Foot in Oborne. I have no idea why the marriage took place there as I can find no family connection to that place. I also have not found the place where she died and was buried. Any information regarding Susannah would be most helpful including where she lived. She appears in the 1861 Census and I wonder if it is possible to find her actual address? When Titus was still alive they lived in the Park at Cerne Abbas. That is the only information regarding that address and the only property on maps of Cerne Park shows a Keeper's Cottage that was still habited until 1901 when it was a ruin. Therefore I can only assume that was their address unless they were living rough. A huge thanks for any assistance.
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Hi Mark,
According to the 1802 marriage recorded in Oborne, Susannah ALLEN was "of this Parish" whilst Titus was "of Buckland Newton" - so perhaps you'd need to know more about her natal family to understand why she would be of Oborne.
According to Militia lists for 1798/1799, Titus FOOT (and a number of other FOOT men) lived within the tything of Plush, which is in the Union of Cerne.
Did Titus die in 1838, at the Union Workhouse of Cerne. Buried Cerne Abbas ?
If he did - then sadly, I don't think the 1861 Susannah FOOT is yours (unless she remarried another FOOT)?
1851: Sharnell, Buckland Newton, Dorset
HO107- Piece 185/ Folio 81 /Pg29
Head: Thomas FOOT 73, Pauper, b Dewlish, Dorest
Wife: Susannah FOOT 70, Pauper, b Buckland, Dorset
Lodger: James WARR 36, Marr, Labourer, b Palham, Dorset
Lodger: Jane WARR 35, Buttoner, b Buckland
1861: Sharnell Green, Buckland Newton, Dorset
Head: Susannah FOOT 80, widow, b Mappowder
Lodger: David WAR 34, mar, Ag Lab, b Glanville Wooten
Lodger: Jane WAR, 47, mar b Buckland
Nep-hew: David WAR 32, unm, Ag Lab, b Glanville Wooten
Cheers
AMBLY
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And for completion:
1841: Tything of Duntish,Parish Buckland Newton, District of Cerne, Dorset
Thomas FOOT 55, Ag Lab
Susannah FOOT, 55
Robert FOOT 20,
Thomas FOOT 15,
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William CHALDECOTT 50, Ag Lab
Thomas ARDEN??? 20, Ag Lab
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Previous address' to FOOT family:
Park Lane
Knaps Hill
The ages are rounded down for 1841, so in reality these two recorded in 1841 at age 55 could really be nearer 60. Combine that with the oft-made mistakes of the enumerators applying that rounding rule, as well as enumerator mistakes in general, or mis-information by the inhabitants themselves, and the 1841 FOOT can quite conceivably be the same couple at 1851 and 1861 at the Sharnell address.
Cheers
AMBLY
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BAPTISM 1820:
Robert FOOT
Bp: 30 Jan 1820, Mappowder , son of:
Thomas FOOT, Dairyman of Buckland Newton
Susannah FOOT
MARRIAGE 1809:
In Mappowder, 22 May 1809
Thomas FOOT
Susannah CHALDECOTT
The 1809 Marriage seems to tie up with the 1841 Household of Thomas & Susanna - a further cements the evidence that widow Susannah FOOT in 1861 is not your Susannah, nee ALLEN :'(
Cheers
AMBLY
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DEATH 1828:
Susannah FOOT, aged 46, of In the Park, Cerne Abbas
Buried 28 March 1828, by Vicar of Sydling St Nicholas
Cheers
AMBLY
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many thanks. the Church of Latter Day site shows a Susannah Foot born 1781 living in Buckland Newton in 1861. My Susannah was definitely married to Titus and they lived together in the park at Cerne Abbas. The Cerne Abbas Parish records show the baptism of a number of their children. My gut feeling is that she died early and not the same as the 1861 although Buckland Newton is next to Mappowder , where she was born. Why do the C of Latter Day Saints believe the records show she was there. All very confusing. Thanks again for any further assistance.
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Sorry, Mark, but I don't understand your confusion.
As Ambly has shown, there were 2 Susannah Foot's - one married to Titus and the other married to a Thomas. 'Your' Susannah was buried at Cerne Abbas 28/3/1828 and address shown as In the Park, Cerne Abbas as you would have expected as Titus died there 10 years later (whereas Susannah wife of Thomas was still alive and with him in 1841, 1851 and a widow 1861).
Since 'your' Susannah died before a census you don't actually know her birthplace - just because she was living in Oborne at the time of the marriage does not mean it was her birthplace. Indeed, there are no other Allen's recorded in Osborne parish records.
Susannah Chaldicott (wife of Thomas) was indeed born in Mappowder and bp.22/7/1781, dau. of William and Fanny.
I also think your Susannah Allen was probably from Mappowder too as there is the baptism of a Susanna Allen on 7/4/1782, dau. of William and Anne (which ties in with her 1828 burial date). Others with the same name and circa birthdate seem to be too far away from the vicinity of Oborne.
Annette
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Hi Mark,
Annette just ipped me to the post ;D
I was about to reply with all the same comments, including "being 'of this parish' is not always the same thing as saying 'born in this parish'."
(I assume you have all their surviving children sorted out in Census etc - and that no clues lie with where and with whom any of them may be?)
I dredged up a few Oborne things - which by the absence of any other obvious ALLEN events, supports as Annette said, her being from elsewhere.
http://www.opcdorset.org/OborneFiles/OborneBaps1761-1812.htm
Parish of Oborne Baptisms
No ALLEN (var).
http://www.opcdorset.org/OborneFiles/1801Oborne.htm
Oborne Census 1801
No ALLEN (var).
http://www.opcdorset.org/OborneFiles/OborneMarrs1.htm
Oborne Marriages
NO FOOT-ALLEN 1802 shown (there seems to be a period of marriages missing off this database - because we know for certain this marriage did occur there)
Parish Book for OBORNE Has a note inside, saying that in 1801 a tithe account of the Parish of Oborne showed 48 males and 74 females
May or may not ever be pertinent - The 1802 Marriage of Titus and Susannah
Witness were: George FOOT and Lydia BRETT
Lydia BRETT of Oborne probably married a George SHEPPERD in Oborne 1809.
One of their witness' was a Maria BRETT.
And for interest, A book to hunt down called "Cerne Abbas: the story of a Dorset village"
By Mary Dorothea Jones - 1952
Excerpt "The 'Park' is surrounded by an ancient ditch and was probably an earthwork, as it lies on, and is adjacent to, the site of one of the British Settlements which are a familiar feature of prehistoric Cerne. Moreover, it has always been the traditional ..."
Cheers
AMBLY
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Many thanks. I have previously wondered whether Lydia Brett was a friend or perhaps initially a colleague of Susannah working on a farm or large house. The Allen's appear to have no obvious contact with the parish. Perhaps if there was a connection a member of the Allen family would of been a witness.
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Many thanks Ambly and Annette. Yes Titus was buried in Cerne Workhouse and Susannah was born in Mappowder. Ibelieve the confusion with the Susannah's is due to the same name and same age. I wonder why the vicar of Sydling buried her rather than the vicar at Cerne. Do you think she was buried in Sydling or did he just officiate the ceremony? Have you any thoughts regarding finding additional info regarding Titus & Susannah as all I have is her death info, some of their childrens' details and baptism records, Titus military and the fact they lived in the park. He was a woodman and a labourer of husbandry. Titus died in the Union Workhouse but I have no idea where he was buried. It might be as a pauper he was buried at the workhouse?
Maps show a Keeper's Cottage in the park at Cerne Abbas but no other buildings and I assume that is where they lived and their son William (born 1815) or perhaps they lived rough but I feel thyat would have been unlikely. If they lived in the cottage then I assume he would have worked for a big estate.
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Both Susannah and Titus were buried at Cerne Abbas as the burial records show. Titus' abode was the workhouse but he wouldn't have been buried there but in the churchyard as with all burials. May well have been a paupers grave as so many were in those times.
You seem to be over complicating things.
Annette
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Hi
I am not sure whether you are still researching Titus Foot.
My 4X great grandfather is Robert Foot (1768-1841), also born in Buckland Newton He was one of 9 children including Titus Foot !1780-1838)
Apart from year of birth and death I have no other information for Titus but I do have names for their parents - Robert Foot and Ann Mullet married 8 Oct 1761 in Buckland Newton.
Robert (Titus' brother) married a Susanna Gillingham.
If you are descended from Titus Foot I think we may be some sort of cousins.
Jan
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Hi all, according to my calculator, Titus is my 1st Cousin 7 x removed. He was born probably in 1780 in Buckland Newton, Married Susannah Allen, 1 Nov 1802 and sadly his death is recorded in the Union Work House, Cerne Abbas. 27 Oct 1828. I have to post a caveat here. The Titus who died in Cerne Abbas was roughly the right age but may not have been the same person. There was certainly one more Titus Foot kicking about Dorset at that time. It is unlikely that he was buried at the Workhouse. All burials had to be in consecrated ground unless it was a heathen/unbaptised or suicide. Even then they are likely to be buried in a cemetry. I have found a couple of suicides that are buried in church cemetries. Normally they note the burial record as "No Service" or such
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Sorry I should have clarified. Titus was born about 1780 because his baptism was 28 May 1780 in Buckland Newton. Again it can only be "about" as during my searches I have found that there can be up to 3 years between birth and baptism. In most cases I am sure that they were baptised within the month.
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Hi
If I have calculated correctly Titus Foot (1780-1838) is my 4 X great grand uncle. His father is Robert Foot and mother Ann Mullett and he was one of 9 children.
His brother Robert Foot is my direct ancestor. My branch of the family eventually ended up in Ringwood where my mother was born and I still have relatives.
Jan
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I come from the line of Titus's Uncle John. Apparently. I say apparently as this info came from a chap called Leonard Foot who published a Foot family tree (and a book) about 15 years ago. The more I research though the more I find inconsistencies. I think some of the links may have been fanciful assumptions. Nonetheless I keep the information there until I can disprove it. The descendants of John Foot migrated to Cranford Chase and can still be found on the Shaftesbury/Blandford road from Cann to Stourpaine. In the Manston cemetery well over half of the gravestones bear the name.
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I tend to gather all Foot information that I can find so I have information on a number of distinct unconnected lines. I hope that as I find further generations some links may appear.
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Hi
I have tracked back from Lydia Foot my great-great-grandmother to Robert Foot who has a brother Titus with birth and death years matching your relative, using Parish records from Dorset opc, ancestry.co.uk and findmypast.co.uk As I am in Australia I have only been able to use online sources.
Jan
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I grew up in Maitland and Newcastle. left in 65.
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Hi
I live on the Great Dividing Range not far from Lithgow. I was the one who left the UK but I am intending to return to England.
Jan
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I left as well but I was only a babe in arms at the time. I think my parents got homesick.