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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: andmc1 on Thursday 02 February 17 10:19 GMT (UK)
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Hi
i want to find out more about John Sutherland born (Brighton) Brighthelmstone area approx 1818
from his marriage to Mary Poet (possible poett/ Poate) father george ( shoe manufacture)
4 sept 1842 southwick sussex
he was a sailor
his father was John Sutherland a Brewers Clerk
i have found him on 1851
33 middle street brighton
john sutherland 34 boot clicker Brighton
mary 30 Dress maker Brighton
richard 4 Scholar Brighton
emma 1 brighton
Elizabeth clark 83 (?) visitor widow Propieter of Houses Brighton
Elizabeth Richards52 Servent Warwick, Warwickshire,
he seemed to have 2 families in
brighton and
another in norwich he died in norwich norfolk
after his death both familys listed wife as widow
andrea
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Which is his family in 1851 and 1861 Norwich (dates amended)
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I am confused ;D
John bn Brighton in 1841 census is a shoemaker
When he marries from his marriage to Mary Poet (possible poett/ Poate) father george ( shoe manufacture) 4 sept 1842 southwick sussex
1851 he is in Brighton with his wife & children
1861 his wife is head of house with 2 youngest children and says she is married.
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Where does this information come from
he was a sailor his father was John Sutherland a Brewers Clerk
What information does the Norwich death certificate give
Who were the witnesses to the Brighton wedding
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hi
as you say he seems to be in Brighton as a shoemaker on 1841 census
The details about him being a Sailor came from the marriage entry seen in Chichester Archives
As you say all other records have him as shoe maker
john death cert
paralysis from cerebral apoplexy which i assume is a stroke he was a shoe maker
i am a descendant of his 2nd family in Norwich
the children were listed under surname ward
his eldest son Richard born to his Wife Mary and is in norwich living with Ann (Ward) Sutherland
1861
1861 Census
Heigham
3 Sulivan Street
Ann sutherland 34 married wife book (possibly boot) travellors Wife Norwich
richard 14 Scholar sussex Brighton
ann 6 scholar norfolk norwich
catherine 4 scholar lanc wigan
jane 2 norfolk norwich
eliza 4 months norfolk norwich
elizabeth ward 11 wife sister scholar norfolk norwich
later we see richard had Bad sight ( 1901 census) prehaps this is why he is norfolk and not brighton
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I see that most of the Ward children have a middle name Playford and that Catherines birth gives her mmn as Playford. Do you have any of the Ward childrens birth certificates that confirm John Sutherland was their father. :-\
Was Ann - Anny Playford age 24 unmarried Shoe binder in 1851 :-\
Norfolk News 24 December 1859 mentions John Sutherland late of King Street, Norwich - out of business and unemployed - previously of Wigan & Manchester more detail in the article
Also mentioned Norfolk Chronicle 24 June 1865 - page 7
Possible obituary - Norwich Mercury 23 March 1867
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hi
i am going over research i have had for over 15 years ( done in Archive libraries )
a lot more is on line now .
i have jane playford ward birth certificate no father listed my gt Grandmother
my mum only her surname as sutherland
playford seems to come from ann playford ward 1826 ( the person i have as mother to John sutherland Children ) her father was john playford ward 1801 born wood dalling norfolk with only a mother elizabeth ward listed at christenning ( she appears to have 5 children no father with john being the only one with playford as a middle name )
loking at my reasearch now i have done a lot of guess work from 1861 heigham census
with ward children and richard born in brighton
i have richard`s birthcertificate 1847
mother Mary poett john sutherland father shoemaker
of interest ann ( Maria) matilda Playford Ward Sutherland 1855
Married a Famous Cricketer Fuler Pilch
newspaper articles fit where children born
i had not fund ann ward on 1851 so will look at this
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Sorry but I can't see anything else at the moment
Rosie
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hi i have been told edwin sutherland was christened 1/4/1868 heigham holy trinity with a note saying born 28 oct 1867
parents john sutherland Shoe Maker and ann
i was thinking the birth was oct -dec 1866 from BDM Edwin s Ward
would you be able to look at this record for me
thank you
andrea
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i have been told edwin sutherland was christened 1/4/1868 heigham holy trinity with a note saying born 28 oct 1867
parents john sutherland Shoe Maker and ann
Freereg has the birthdate as 18th October 1867.
The GRO index for the Ward birth you have found has no mothers maiden name which often indicates illegitimacy
WARD, EDWIN SUTHERLAND -
1866 Dec Quarter - NORWICH reg district
Volume 04B Page 164
This index is searchable at https://www.gro.gov.uk you just need to register. If you have ordered certificates online from the GRO in the past those registration details will work.