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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: pergamond on Saturday 18 February 17 09:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm trying to read the handwriting on an 1851 census, and wondered if someone who knows old Roxburgh place names might be able to help. John Riddle aged 64 born about 1787 in ....? Roxburgh. It has been transcribed as Fedlarte, but I can't find any reference to that name in the past.
The census was taken in Edderton, Ross and Cromarty. I have a copy of the census record, but find the handwriting difficult to decipher.
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Hi
Is it possible for you to put up a snip of the entry - just the relevant bit, please?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget - I would if I could, but I don't really know how to do that, sorry.
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Attached - the first letter may be a J. Will have a look around a map
Added - I see that Cavers has been spelt with a K
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Thanks Gadget. That was clever of you. I look forward to seeing what you can discover!
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The first part certainly looks like Jed but no way is the second part burgh . I wonder if he said it something like 'Jedbar' and it was written down as Jedbart :-\
Added - the first letter matches other Js on the page.
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I've been looking through the list of placenames in Roxburgh on the ScotlandsPlaces site and the only others than Jedburgh that look anything like are
Jed neuk
Jedhead
Jedbank
(nothing in the OPR bpts either :-\ )
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Been looking at another map and took a walk along the Jed Water - think it's this Old Jeddart
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=366870&y=614535&z=120&sv=366870,614535&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=802&ax=366870&ay=614535&lm=0
Added - it was called Old Jedward on older maps:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74428485#zoom=6&lat=7804&lon=6904&layers=BT
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I tried looking on Scotlandspeople for a John Riddle born between 1780 and 1790 in Roxburghshire, using the Fuzzy Matching option to cover all variant spellings, and the only hit was John "Riddel", born and baptised on 29th March 1786 at Kelso to William Riddel and his spouse Isobel Lang. So the strange-looking place-name is presumably in Kelso parish.
Harry
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. So the strange-looking place-name is presumably in Kelso parish.
Harry
Not necessarily. The relevant baptism might not have survived - I think it was also the time of tax on register entries. You'd need to check that this was the same John Riddle/Riddel.
It looks like Jeddart and there is a Jeddart south of Jedburgh (in Jedburgh parish), as I show on the maps.
Gadget
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Have checked on another site and it has been transcribed as Jeddart there as well. The confusion is the long tail of the g on Invergordon in the entry above.
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pergamond ~
I've just been re-reading your other thread about the family in Wales
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763927.0
I wondered why I had some refs to Riddells in my previous searches, etc.
Do you have a full list of John and Janet's children in birth order. I see George, Thomas and John. I've found another bptism for John circa 1788 in Kirkton, Rox - father John.
Gadget
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Thank you so much Gadget - the birthplace will probably have been Jeddart. I was definitely confused by the tail from the 'g' above!
We think that these are the children, in order - John, George, Robert, Jessie (Janet), Walter, Helen, Thomas, Thomas, James, Jane, and Mary.
I'll look for the 1788 baptism in Kirkton.
The 1786 bap in Kelso to William and Isobel is unlikely to be my John, as the names are not in the family. There is a bap in Roberton 1788, father Robert Riddell, and one in Hobkirk 1784, father Walter Riddell.
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And thanks Harry for your contribution. :)
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Here's the Kirkton one:
Kirkton records
February 1788 - Jno Riddel of Newtown, a child baptised - named John
I saw it first on FS - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQH8-FYP
It took a while to find onSP - the search paarametrs are not what they were :-\
added -forgot to say that there was another John in Jedburgh in 1841 of same age - a candle maker, wife was Marget. They had a daughter Isobel if I remember rightly. He was dead by 1851.
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Thanks. Yes, I've found that! Unpredictable.
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The 1851 census reads Jedhart ie the town of Jedburgh Jedburgh folk pronounce Jedburgh as Jedhart.
M Carter
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Yep - as in Jeddart Justice:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/jeddart_justice
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That is so interesting!
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basically means - Jedburgh - in our dialect its still called Jedhart/Jeddart by the locals