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Title: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: peony2blue on Sunday 05 March 17 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hi  I have   Winifred  born in Bryneglwys ,  Denbighshire in 1842.  Could be a Roberts.?  Can't find  PRs  for Bryneglwys in FindMyPast or Familysearch!  .  Please   help.


Peony2blue
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 11:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

Bryneglwys is definitely under the Denbigh baptisms on FindMyPast- how did you do the search?

Gadget

PS - are you sure she was baptised there and was baptised  in C of E?
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 11:40 GMT (UK)
A Winifred Roberts is showing on the North Wales BMD in 1842

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

Registration District is Corwen, correct for Bryneglwys. Local Reg no is CRWN/02/37. Registers at Wrexham.
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 11:50 GMT (UK)
The GRO ref is
1842, Sept Q, Corwen, vol 27, page 144
Mother's maiden name - Hughes

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: peony2blue on Sunday 05 March 17 12:30 GMT (UK)
thank  you  Gadget  Found  her.  Need her Marriage  to James Tasker  now

 kind  regards

Peony2blue
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 13:13 GMT (UK)
If you have problems with finding the marriage, give a shout  :)
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 15:35 GMT (UK)
Peony,
Have you searched for Janet Elizabeth Tasker*, reg. 1885 on the GRO - which now delivers mother's maiden name.

(Using 1911 details as source for Janet)
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 15:48 GMT (UK)
I should have confirmed mother's maiden name with her elder sister details. The maiden name against the elder daughter was not the name I was expecting.

Check both daughters on the GRO.
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:01 GMT (UK)
I think we might be looking at the same entries HT. I see a marriage in Farnham Sept Q, 1877 but name is Winifred Evans.

I'm wondering if this was a second marriage as she would have been approx 34 in 1877.

Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:04 GMT (UK)
A Winefred Roberts married a John Evans, 2nd Q, 1866, St Asaph * 11B, 690

May be  :-\

(Not sure where the Hughes came from  ???  )
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: peony2blue on Sunday 05 March 17 16:14 GMT (UK)
Hi 
   Can't find    James  Tasker/Winifred  Roberts on NWBMD  or Free BMD .  I think they got married about 1876 . Perhaps it was her second  marriage  Oh dear.  Can't find them  on 1901 census either.  Got the family 1911.

thank you for your  help

Regards
 Peony
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:14 GMT (UK)
A Winifred Evans possibly married a Robert Hughes, Corwen, 2nd Q, 1873, 11B, 655
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:16 GMT (UK)
Current theory:

A Winefred Roberts married a John Evans, 2nd Q, 1866, St Asaph * 11B, 690

A Winifred Evans possibly married a Robert Hughes, Corwen, 2nd Q, 1873, 11B, 655

I think we might be looking at the same entries HT. I see a marriage in Farnham Sept Q, 1877 but name is Winifred Evans.

I'm wondering if this was a second marriage as she would have been approx 34 in 1877.


Need to check censuses and deaths for spouses  - it's a bit of a muddle  :-\


Gadget
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 16:20 GMT (UK)
Agreed - I was expecting Evans as GRO maiden against the younger daughter after spotting 1877 marriage. The Hughes maiden name threw me threw me and shd have checked the elder daughter before posting - which delivers Evans.

Marriage cert needed.
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:22 GMT (UK)
It's all very confusing, as I think I've found the John & winifred Evans in Abergele in 1871 but she's down as b. Llansannan so that marriage is probably not the one.

Agree that the 1877 marriage cert is needed.
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:34 GMT (UK)
Just a possible - I wonder if,  when  the second daughter was registered, the registrar asked for mother's maiden name and Winifred gave her mother's mn  :-\


The GRO ref is
1842, Sept Q, Corwen, vol 27, page 144
Mother's maiden name - Hughes


Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 16:37 GMT (UK)
That is exactly what crossed my mind!!
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 16:42 GMT (UK)
Have been searching for the '81 Census. It doesn't contribute anything to solving the present puzzle but, for the record, the 1881 Census surname has been transcribed incorrectly (FindMyPast) - "Parker" rather than "Tasker" - ref RG11  658  36  2
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 16:45 GMT (UK)
Peony2blue,
Look for James Tasker to Winifred Evans, 1877
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 16:51 GMT (UK)
Winifred's age is 56 (1845) on the 1901 census (FindMyPast) - reference RG13  piece 5218  folio 138  page 1
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 16:56 GMT (UK)
If the only info on age that peony had was from the 1911, then it could be a wider range of birth years. I did a search and found both  Hughes and Roberts  surnames registered in Corwen Reg District for 1841-1845.
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 17:14 GMT (UK)
Agreed - there are several Winnies in the frame from that neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 March 17 17:24 GMT (UK)
A possible death for Winifred :

Winifred G Tasker, aged 88,  1931, Wrexham,  2nd Q, 1931.

Suggests a D of B of 1843

The 1877 marriage cert is def. needed,
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 05 March 17 17:55 GMT (UK)
Mmm?
Did I spot a Winifred Grace somewhere along the line?
Title: Re: Baptism Winifred Bryneglwys
Post by: peony2blue on Monday 20 March 17 17:09 GMT (UK)
thank you  Gadget  and  Hanes Teulu  for all your help.  I am making progress!

Peony