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Hi,
I'm looking for any information on the Tallemache family (aka - Tallemach, Tallamach, Tollemache, Talmage, Thalmage, Talemasche, etc) from around the Surrey area.
I have the following information -
a) Richard Tallemache - b. 1738 in Petersham, Surrey; d. 1816 in Petersham, Surrey.
married 05 Jun 1777 in St Brides, Fleet, London, England.
b) Mary Overbury - b. abt 1750; d. abt 1819.
They had the following 9 children -
c) Richard Tallemache - b. 28 Mar 1778 in Surrey; d. 30 Aug 1865 in Ham, near Kingston upon Thames, Surrey. Aged 87. Never married
d) Mary Anne Tallemache - b. Jun 1779 in Surrey; d. ????
e) Henrietta Maria Tallemache - b. 11 May 1780 in Surrey ; d. abt 1822 ????
f) Anne Tallemache - b. Aug 1782 in surrey ; d. 29 Aug 1852
g) Sophia Mary Tallemache - b. Nov 1783 in Surrey; d. 19 Sep 1853 in Kingston upon Thames, Surrey.
h) William Tallemache - b. 02 Feb 1786 in Surrey; d. ????
i) Elenor Tallemache - b. 22 Aug 1787 in Surrey; d. abt 1800 - aged 12.
j) ** Elizabeth Taylor Tallemach - b. 22 Jul 1788 in Surrey ; d. ????.
Married Thomas Taylor on 12 Jul 1815 in Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England.
k) John Barber Tallemache - b. Feb 1791 in Surrey. d. ????
** Elizabeth is my family link through her daughter Julia Taylor who married Julius Joseph Hockley on 04 Jun 1846 in St. John's, Calcutta, Bengal, India.
Any information on the Tallemache and Overbury families and their origins would be greatly appreciated. Who were their parents, any siblings, who did the above children marry, etc.
Thanks in advance,
sandir03
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From the witnesses of the marriage Robert Overbury, Robert Overbury Jr., Miss Overbury.
I think Robert Overbury the elder is her father. They married by license have you seen the application?
Added: okay found it, no additional information except it was Mary who applied for the license, its usually the groom.
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Richard Tallemach the elder of Serle Street left a will written 14 December 1815, probated 17 January 1817.
Dear wife Mary and son Richard are executors, 4 daughters but no names given and son William who is in the East Indies.
This following is his father:
Richard Tallemach of Petersham Surrey written 2 November 1772, with codicil written 13 June 1776
probated 9 July 1776
sons William, Thomas, John, Richard.
son John gets a bible belonging to his late wife given to her by her father Thomas Birkford, so now we have her maiden name.
He was a wealthy man, money silver spoons land etc.
Son Richard named as executor.
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BURIALS;
MARY ANN Tallemach, 5 Sept 1779, St Peter, Petersham
JOHN BARBER Tollemach, 26 Mar 1791 St Nicholas, Thames Ditton.
Parents RICHARD/MARY
Abode Richmond
ELEANOR Tallemash, 5 Sept 1799, St Nicholas, Thames Ditton, age 11.
All on FreeREG
Trish :)
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William son of Richard and Mary dies after 5 January 1818 in Bengal. He was captain of the Artillery
of the Bengal Establishment.
His will written 5 January 1818, leaves everything to his mother Mary, after her decease to brother Richard, if he should die then divided between his sisters Marie, Ann and Sophia, states he has a forth sister but she is married and has been provided for.
Probate 28 September 1818 PCC Wills.
His military record will give his actual date of death.
The married sister Elizabeth?, so Marie is Henrietta Marie? from burials posted by trish1120
ADDED William's will comes up again 10 January 1820. His mother Mary apparently was still taking care of probate when she too died, so the probate was transferred to Richard his brother.
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I had to correct a Burial as I had the wrong Eleanor!
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Mary Tallemach widow of Richard address Serle Street, wrote her will 2 August 1818, probated 28 September 1819.
She refers to her late husbands will by name Richard, and by this date she knows her son William is dead and has left her his property. mentions son Richard and unmarried daughters Marie, Ann and Sophia plus married daughter Eliza Taylor.
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William Tallemach died 20 January 1818 at Dum Dum per the Alphabetical List of Officers of the Bengal Army (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kMOEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=alphabetical+list+of+officers+bengal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-vbmPwcHSAhWHAcAKHa08AAEQ6AEIGjAA)
There may be more on FindMyPast but is currently down.
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William Tallemach of Kingston upon Thames ( son of Richard who died 1776.)
His probate is 9 January 1810 he was a stonemason, he mentions his brother Thomas, brother Richard and his late brother John.
John Tallemach dies 10 November 1810 probate 4 March 1801,he was a carpenter, mentions wife Elizabeth and late Aunt Elta ? Clark he wrote it 20 August 1798 and says children that may be living no names. (he is son of Richard died 1776)
I'll see if I can find the aunts will
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Henrietta Maria Tallemach wrote her will 18 June 1822 proved 17 March 1823, of Serle Street, Lincolns Inn, Surrey. Mentions brother Richard, sisters Ann and Sophia.
Ann Tallemach of Park Cottage, Robyn Hood Surrey, wrote her will 3 May 1851 proved 9 October 1853. Mentions sister Eliza Taylor wife of Thomas Taylor of Westfield and her nieces Eliza, Mary and Margaret Taylor, her sister Sophia.
Sophia Tallemach wrote her will 6 September 1853, proved 14 November 1853. Mentions brother Richard, sister Eliza Taylor, nieces Eliza, Mary and Margaret Taylor and Julia Hortley? (you have Hockley) my interpretation anyway Julia is the wife of Julius H? an officer in the East India Company.
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Quote;
John Tallemach dies 10 November 1810 probate 4 March 1801,he was a carpenter, mentions wife Elizabeth and late Aunt Elta ? Clark he wrote it 20 August 1798 and says children that may be living no names. (he is son of Richard died 1776)
Possible Marriage to Elizabeth CHITTY 10 Feb 1777, Kingston upon Thames
Childrens Baptisms;
ELEANOR CLARKE 28 Jan 1778
JOHN CLARK 7 Jan 1781
ELIZABETH CLARK 21 May 1788
SUSANNA CLARK 7 Jan 1790
ANN CLARK 11 Oct 1791
Burials;
ELEANOR CLARKE Tallemach, 19 Sept 1800, St Peter, Petersham
Age 22
Abode Kingston
Note; Miss. In the family vault of that name.****
JOHN Tallemach, 18 Nov 1800 same Church, age 52
Abode Kingston
Note; Mr. In the family vault of that name
FreeREG
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Missing is Richard 1738-1816 brother Thomas' death and possible will.
For parents we need Richard Tallemach who married a ? Birkford whose father is Thomas Birkford.
All the wills mentioned are PCC wills on ancestry.
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Thomas Tallemach born about 1747 brother of Richard 1738-1816
was buried 18 September 1832 aged 85 at St George Bloomsbury, he was of Greys Inn Lane.
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Wow, thanks everyone for all the information you have forwarded - much appreciated.
I do have the following Census information on Richard Tallemache (1778 - 1865).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKF-QHY
Richard Tallemach - England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Richard Tallemach
Titles and Terms NULL
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Kingston, Surrey, England
Residence Note Robin Hood Park Cottage
Gender Male
Age 60-64
Age (Original) 60
Occupation Null
Birth Year (Estimated) 1777-1781
Birthplace Surrey
Registration District Kingston
Book Number 6
Parish Kingston
County Surrey
Page Number 15
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1075/30
Affiliate Record Type Institution
Household
Role Sex Age Birthplace
Richard Tallemach M 60-64 Surrey
Anne Tallemach F 55-59 Surrey (sister)
Sophia Tallemach F 55-59 Surrey (sister)
Mary Witfield F 70-74
Samuel Stocker M 15-19 Surrey
George Davies M 45-49 Surrey
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKF-QHY : 30 October 2015), Richard Tallemach, Kingston, Surrey, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
England and Wales Census, 1841
Line Number 17
Digital Folder Number 101721044
Image Number 00294
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SGKZ-1GK
Richard Tallmache - England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: Richard Tallmache
Age: 72 (born abt 1779)
Gender: Male
Birthplace: Kingston, Surrey
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: Household
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1851," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SGKZ-1GK : accessed 20 Jul 2014), Richard Tallmache, England; citing "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," index and images, findmypast.co.uk (www.findmypast.co.uk : Brightsolid, n.d.); PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MP-3VHT
Richard Tallemach - England and Wales Census, 1861
Name Richard Tallemach
County Surrey
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place , Surrey, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St John
Registration District Kingston
Residence Note Robin Hood Kingston Road
Gender Male
Age 83
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation Proprietor Of Houses And Fund Holder
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1778
Birthplace Kingston, Surrey
Page Number 9
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 456 / 197
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
Role Sex Age Birthplace
Richard Tallemach Head M 83 Kingston, Surrey
John Pitman Servant M 41 Kingston, Surrey
Eliza Budd Servant F 28 Ham, Surrey
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1861," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MP-3VHT : 6 April 2016), Richard Tallemach, , Surrey, England; from "1861 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 9, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
England and Wales Census, 1861
Household ID 666691
Line Number 4
GS Film Number 101816222
Digital Folder Number 101816222
Image Number 00176
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I know that Julia Taylor (dau. of Elizabeth Tallemache and Thomas Taylor) did marry Julius Joseph Hockley in India - they were my Grandmothers Grandparents. Julia had 6 children, all born in India. She died about 1857 in India and Julius married Emma Annie Mary Darby in 1860 in Wallingford, Berkshire, England and had 7 children - the first four born in India and the last three in England (Oxford and Surrey). Emma died in 1914 and Julius died 1884 both in Devonshire, England.
The Hockley family came from around the Surrey area - Godalming, Puttenham, Guildford.
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Any information on Mary Overbury and her family?
Thanks,
sandir03
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Will of Mary Overbury of Laurence Pountney (London) written 19 December 1783
Mary states she is the widow of Robert Overbury, mentions dear daughter Arabella who has been provided for by her husband estate, Arabella being unable to care for her own affairs.
Dear daughter MARY TELLAMACH w/o Richard Tellamach of Kingston Surrey.
Daughter Sarah Lewis w/o Robert Lewis of Laurence Pountney, occupation cooper
Executor daughter Mary Tellamach who is also to manage the affairs of Arabella.
Proved 9 December 1785 PCC Wills.
So parents of Mary Overbury are Robert and Mary Overbury.
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Will of Robert Overbury of Shoe Lane, London Wine Merchant.
mentions daughter Mary Overbury now MARY TALLEMACH w/o Richard Tallemach of Kingston.
When they married he agreed to give Mary 500 pounds and 1/5 of his estate, as he has already given the money, that amount to be deducted from her 1/5 share.
***Mentions property inherited from Thomas Overbury deceased.(possible father or other near relative)
Wife Mary Overbury, son Joseph, son Robert daughters Arabella and Sarah.
Memorandum dated 7 October 1783, daughter SARAH Overbury now married to Robert LEWIS her share to go to her and not her spouse.
Executors are John Cole of London Tobacconist and Jacob Hodgkinson of Harrow Hill Apothecary
Second proof of parentage of Mary Overbury is Robert and Mary.
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Check out the website London Lives 1680-1820
Robert Overbury of Laurence Poutney Lane re Fire Insurance Policy, a Wine and Brandy Merchant
Richard Tallemach is also mentioned mostly in his capacity as an attorney.
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There is a will of Thomas Overbury proved 13 September 1756, mentions nephew Robert Overbury of Oxford, Inn keeper, sister Elizabeth Simpson, nephew Simon Badger, sons of Overbury Badger late of Banbury Oxford. Wife Arabella.
notes his wife Arabella Overbury's will was proven 3 March 1769 she was a very rich woman, left everything to children/grandchildren of Elizabeth Simpson.(she was her sister in law)
My point if this Robert Overbury of Oxford is the Robert Overbury father of Mary then this is how the property he mentions gets to him. Or it could be another relative.
At this time I have only paraphrased the wills you should get copies they are all on ancestry so you can follow the property trail from Thomas to Robert. Many of the wills are long and detailed.
ADDED: omitted that Thomas Overbury was of Shoe Lane London, Wine Merchant.
Will of 1756.
Robert Overbury was of Shoe Lane London, Wine Merchant will of 1783.
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Freedom of the city of London.
Robert Overbury son of Robert Overbury of Burford Oxfordshire, carpenter deceased is apprenticed for 7 years to Thomas Overbury, Vitner of London dated 7 May 1729.
possible marriage Robert Overbury married Mary Parker 2 May 1746 at Woodstock Oxfordshire, although I would have expected him to meet someone in London having been there since age 13, but if family still in Oxford then a possible. Re will of Thomas Overbury Robert was of Woodcroft Oxford.
Children baptized at Woodstock, Oxford of Robert and Mary Overbury
Mary bap 13 January 1747/8
Thomas bap 26 December 1748
Robert bap 4 March 1753
Arabella bap 22 May 1755
The children all match his will need to find Sarah
Robert Overbury age 67 was buried in the middle aisle of St Bride's Fleet Street Church 29 October 1783, states he died of St Anthony's Fire, he was of Shoe Lane.
Not a pleasant way to go
Freedom of the city of London dated 1 December 1708
Thomas Overbury son of Joseph Overbury of Burford, Oxfordshire,Victualler is apprenticed to John Tash Vitner of London for 7 years.
Thomas Overbury married Arabella Stephenson, of St Clements 25 September 1716 St Bride's Fleet Street, London.
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I found the following information in FreeREG on the marriage of Thomas Tallemache (1747 - 1832) to Charlotte Thomas -
Main participant(s) Record type Event date County Place : Church : Register type Charlotte THOMAS
Thomas TALLEMACH Marriage 19 Mar 1800 Middlesex St George Hanover Square : St George Hanover Square : Transcript
County Middlesex
Place St George Hanover Square
Church name St George Hanover Square
Register type Transcript
Marriage date 19 Mar 1800
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname TALLEMACH
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Petersham, Surrey
Bride forename Charlotte
Bride surname THOMAS
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Of this parish
Witness Wm THOMAS (father/brother ?)
Witness Fanny THOMAS (mother/sister ?)
Register note Thomas Tallemach, Esqr. Licence
Thomas and Charlotte had 5 children - all born in Petersham, Surrey.
a) Charlotte Tallemach - b. 1801
b) George Tallemach - b. 1802 ; d. 1882 in Dubbo, NSW, Australia
c) Amelia Tallemach - b. 1803
d) Matilda Tallemach - b. 1806
e) Softhouse/Lofthouse Tallemach ?? - b. 1812 ; d 1812
If Thomas was a widower when he married Charlotte in 1800, who was his previous wife and did they have any children?
I'm not a member of Ancestry or any other family history site so unable to get any information.
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Robert and Mary had moved to London by 1760, having inherited from Thomas his business and property in Shoe Lane
Sarah was baptized St Bride's Fleet Street 1760 of Robert and Mary Overbury of Shoe Lane, she was born 22 May 1760.
Sarah Overbury married Robert Lewis 18 October 1781 St Matthews Bethnal Green
Ref memorandum of Robert's will dated 7 October 1783.
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The will of Eleanor Clark proven 11 November 1791 PCC Wills
Eleanor Clark widow of John address Kingston Surrey.
She leaves money to a lot of relatives, however the part needed as to why all of John Tallemach children had the middle Clark and his will of 1801 that mentions his late Aunt Eleanor Clark.
To my niece Elizabeth Tallemach wife of John Tallemach of Kingston carpenter she leaves quite a bit of property.
Their children mentioned are Eleanor, Mary, Elizabeth C each get a monetary gift as well.
This is a long will mentioning about 20 people, including her brother Henry Parkhurst, yeah another maiden name.
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Thanks once again for your responses and information.
Re: William Tallemach (b. 02 Feb 1786 in Surrey, England; d. 20 Jan 1818 in India - aged 32yrs. Captain of Artillery of the Bengal Establishment), son of Richard Tallemach and Mary Overbury.
How do I found out -
a) If he was married and had children (England/India)?
b) When did he go to India?
I did look up FIBIS and found several entries - looks like he enrolled as a cadet in 1802 - 1803 - aged abt 16 - 17.
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According to his will he had no heirs, left a little money to a native woman, everything else he had went to his mother. As I previously wrote.
His obituary is in the Morning Post London dated 13 August 1818 and can be found on findmypast.
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Re - ".....There is a will of Thomas Overbury proved 13 September 1756, mentions nephew Robert Overbury of Oxford, Inn keeper, sister Elizabeth Simpson, nephew Simon Badger, sons of Overbury Badger late of Banbury Oxford.....".
a) I found the following entry in FamilySearch -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9Q-T4Z
Simon Badger - mentioned in the record of Thos. Overbury
Name Simon Badger
Sex Male
Son Thos. Overbury
Other information in the record of Thos. Overbury
from England Births and Christenings
Name Thos. Overbury
Gender Male
Christening Date 1746
Christening Place BURFORD, OXFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name Simon Badger
Citing this Record
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9Q-T4Z : 6 December 2014), Simon Badger in entry for Thos. Overbury, 1746; citing Burford, Oxfordshire, England, reference - 2:1PN946P; FHL microfilm 95,221.
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C02441-2
System Origin England-VR
GS Film number 95221
Reference ID - 2:1PN946P
b) Also found some other children of Simon Badger -
Mary Badger bapt. 10 Feb 1747 in Burford, Oxford, England
Sarah Badger bapt. 18 Aug 1749 in Burford, Oxford, England
Simon Badger bapt. 1751 in Burford, Oxford, England
Simon Badger bapt. 1754 in Burford, Oxford, England
Q. Why would father Simon Badger call his son Thomas Overbury? (Or would it have been Thomas Overbury Badger)
c) I also found the following marriage for a Simon Badger -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJVV-45Z
Simon Badger - mentioned in the record of Simon Badger and Ann Bolt
Name Simon Badger
Spouse's Name Ann Bolt
Event Date 1745
Event Place Burford, Oxford, England
Citing this Record
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJVV-45Z : 10 December 2014), Simon Badger and Ann Bolt, 1745; citing Burford, Oxford, England, reference 2:1PNL7WS; FHL microfilm 95,221.
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M02441-2
System Origin England-VR
GS Film number 95221
Reference ID 2:1PNL7WS
d) Also, Christening of an Overbury Badger -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3J5-R3D
Name Overbury Badger
Sex Male
Wife Mary
Son Overbury Badger
Christening Date Dec 1746
Christening Place BANBURY,OXFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Overbury Badger
Mother's Name Mary
e) Also, a christening for another Overbury Badger -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSK3-SBW
Name Simon Badger
Sex Male
Son Overbury
Name Overbury
Gender Male
Christening Date 1723
Christening Place BURFORD, OXFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name Simon Badger
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Re - "......There is a will of Thomas Overbury proved 13 September 1756, mentions nephew Robert Overbury of Oxford, Inn keeper, sister Elizabeth Simpson, nephew Simon Badger, sons of Overbury Badger late of Banbury Oxford. Wife Arabella.
notes his wife Arabella Overbury's will was proven 3 March 1769 she was a very rich woman, left everything to children/grandchildren of Elizabeth Simpson.(she was her sister in law)...."
Does this mean that Thomas Overbury and wife Arabella didn't have any children, if Arabella "left everything to children/grandchildren of Elizabeth Simpson" ?
Who was Elizabeth Simpson (nee Overbury) married to?
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Not all London registers are online, a good many are though.
I did not find any children of Thomas and Arabella Overbury so far, if they did it seems they did not live until adulthood.
Thomas was the Uncle of Robert Overbury.
The line you were following was Robert (married Mary) he was the son of Robert Overbury.
Robert was baptized 10 June 1716 son of Robert at Burford Oxon
There is a marriage of a Robert Overbury to Joanne Kempster 6 February 1713/14 at Burford Oxon.
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Richard Tallmach 1700-1776 married MARY Bickford.
Thomas Tallemach their son ( brother of Richard, John, William), died in September 1832.
Thomas's first wife was Elizabeth Ann born around 1760 in Jamaica died 1788 in Jamaica.
They had 4 children William 1783-1806 born in Jamaica, Elizabeth 1785-181 born in Petersham, Surrey, Caroline
1787-1812 in Jamaica and Thomas 1788-1816.
Thomas the father also had a relationship with a Mulatto Hannah Curtis born 1767 by whom he had a son also called Tbomad born1793.
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Please can anyone clarify the relationship between the Tallmachs and the Clarkes.
Eleanor Parkhurst, sister of Henry Parkhurst a fishmonger married John Clarke.
Amondg - you write her niece was Elizabeth wife of John Tallmach, hence their children had Clarke as a middle name.
How was Elizabeth Eleanor's niece?
In St.Peter's churchyard, Petersham, Surrey is the tomb inscribed 'belonging to John Long, 1826. In the tomb John Long 1765-1861 is buried with his wife Phillipa d.1838. Also in the tomb is John Tallmach 1748-1800, his wife Elizabeth Chitty b.1748 and their daughter Eleanor Clarke Tallmach b.7th Jan 1778 d.September 1800.
Please can anyone explain why the Longs and Tallmachs are buried together? Is there a conncection by marriage?
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Its all to do with the will of Eleanor Clark maiden name Parkhurst died 1791 widow of John (they married 15 June 1745 by license both of Kingston upon Thames)
Brother Henry Parkhurst fishmonger
Sister Elizabeth Taylor
nephew Henry Taylor - son of sister Elizabeth
Niece Eleanor Roberts
Niece Elizabeth Tallmach wife of John, their children, Eleanor Clark Tallamach, Mary Clark Tallamach, Elizabeth Clark Tallamach.
Nephew John Tallamach (husband of Elizabeth)
their son John Clark Tallamach was buried 6 May 1781
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Children of Mary Clark, John G, Mary E. (no relationship mentioned)
Charles Clark nephew of my late husband.
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Marriages St Peter, Petersham Surrey
Elizabeth Parkhurst married Jasper Taylor 26 January 1752 (possible sister mentioned in Eleanor Clark's will)
Henrietta Maria Parkhurst married Thomas Clark 26 January 1752.
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Henry Parkhurst brother to Eleanor Clark dies 1805 he left a will PCC wills on ancestry
states he is of Kingston upon Thames, fisherman, he leaves everything he has to Elizabeth Tallemach widow, she is also the executrix.
Another proof of relationship although none stated in the will.
What you need is absolute proof, did Jasper Taylor leave a will?
Was Elizabeth Chitty who married John Tallemach a widow or a spinster?
What about Thomas Clark who married Henrietta Parkhurst, did either of them leave wills?
Eleanor is very specific in her will Charles Clark is her husband nephew.
What about the niece Eleanor Roberts one of the Parkhurst girls married a Roberts
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Many thanks for latest information.
Elizabeth Chitty according to the parish register of Kngston upon Thames- All Saints was a 'spinster' at the time of her marriage to John Tallmach on 10th February 1777.
Regards
Dover Sole
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Dear Amondg
I am still at a complete loss as to the connection/relationship between the Clarks/Taylors and John Tallemach. Elizabeth his wife was Elizabeth Chiity (spinster). I can find no evidence of a marriage with an Elizabeth Taylor to bring the Clarks into the equation re. Eleanor Clark and the Clark middle name for John Tallemach's children.
Going quietly mad.
Any information or thoughts would be much appreciated.
Kind regards
Dover So!e
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Dover sole
I'll get back to you soon, done a bit of tidying up since March need to find my notes.
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Petersham Surrey marriages
Sarah Parkhurst married John Chitty 24 March 1754
Henery Parkhurst married Thomasin Thomas same day 24 March 1754
From Eleanor Clarke's will we know Henry is her brother, Elizabeth Taylor( married Jasper 24 January 1752) is her sister, Sarah Parkhurst who married John Chitty must also be a sister.
It is the daughter of John Chitty and Sarah, Elizabeth who married John Tallemach 1777.
Notes
Jasper Taylor was a Chemist from London Lives 1680-1820 fire insurance policy and his will proved April 1784, he was buried 2 January 1784. his will was very short everything to wife Elizabeth (nee Parkhurst)
John Clark's will proved 9 August 1788 was equally short everything to wife Elinor. (nee Eleanor Parkhurst)
An image on ancestry shows the marriage of Eleanor to John Clark as 30 June 1745, the date of the transcription I found previously giving marriage of 15 June 1745 must be the license date, so be sure to correct that.
Dover Sole you also asked about the connection between the Long family and Tallemach's, can you start another query as to why they are buried together in Petersham the question is lost amongst the Overbury and Tallemache original query.
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Dear Amondg
Many thanks for the last information re Elizabeth Chitty etc.
Brilliant - explains a great deal.
Will post separate question re Tallemachs and Longs in same tomb.
Regards
Dover Sole
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Can anyone help solve the mystery of why John Tallemach (son of Richard, brother of Richard, died 1800), his brother William (died 1806) and his daughter Eleanor Clark Tallemach (died 1800) are buried in the same tomb as John Long (1768-1834) and his first wife Phillipa (died 1834) and second wife Elizabeth Allaway in the churchyard of St.Peter's Petersham.
In a footnote in the parish record for the burial of John Tallemach it states he was buried in the tomb of the Tallemach family.
On the outside of the tomb there is an inscription 'This tomb belongs to John Long,1826'.
It is highly unusual according to the parish archivist for unrelated families to be buried together in the same tomb.
The only link I can find between the two families is both Johns were carpenters and John Tallemach rented for a while a property (carpenter's shop) from Mrs.Long.
With thanks from
Dover Sole
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Can anyone go back later than Richard Tallemache 1700-1776 (married to Mary Bickford). I am trying to firstly extend the family tree but also find if and how they may be related to the Tallemaches of Ham House as they reside in the same area of Petersham. Thanks
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I too am trying to find out more about Richard ie his father and mother d as well.
I know his father was a surveyor and made maps of estates in Suffolk near Helmingham Hall. There is mention about Tallmachs in Suffolk. Very confusing as there are so may spellings of the Tollermache surname.
My theory is Richard was a very distant relative -poor relation or even illegitimate.
He was employed by the 4th Earl of Dysart at Ham House as estate manager and often travelled to the family home Helmingham Hall on estate business. As a trusted employee I am convinced of his relationship with the Tollermache.
Still on the case.
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Thanks for that but I am trying to find out more about Richard Tallemache 1700-1776, the surveyor. I would also like to know more about his ancestry ie prior to 1700. Are there still records around from this time in England?