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Title: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Tuesday 07 March 17 08:11 GMT (UK)
just wanting t?o find out the birth date of Charles Clarke who suppose to be born in 1850 in London or surrey his parents where Charles john  Clarke and Angelina Everett I have look on the GRO but could not get it up,  he came to Australian and had eleven children to three different woman, tow he married and the other a defacto , would have when he left England for australia
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 March 17 08:15 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage for parents

Dec qtr 1845
EVERETT    Angelina Maria
CLARKE    Charles John       
Wandsworth reg district    4   559       
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 07 March 17 08:22 GMT (UK)
The 1845 marriage was at Battersea. Charles John Clarke was a victualler, father John Clarke, victualler. Angelina's father was William Everett, builder. Witnesses John Clarke and Fanny Spencer.

Baptism of Charles Clarke at St Mary's Bryanston Square on 1 July 1849. Born 22 May 1849, abode 5 Minerva Place Kennington Green, parents Charles John Clarke, Beer Retailer and Angelina Maria Clarke
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 March 17 08:22 GMT (UK)
In 1851(31 March) Charles junior is 18 months old born Lambeth, Surrey
H0/107 Piece 1573 f160 p14
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 March 17 08:24 GMT (UK)
CLARKE, CHARLES       mmn EVERITT     
1849  June Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 04  Page 257

From  https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Tuesday 07 March 17 20:08 GMT (UK)
thank you for that, also do you have any thing on when he left England for australia
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Tuesday 07 March 17 20:56 GMT (UK)
thank you for that, also do you have any thing on when he left England for australia

It would assist if you could tell us the State he arrived in and/or the date and location of his first marriage and/or birth of his first child in Australia.
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 08 March 17 07:37 GMT (UK)
The family including Charles are still in England in 1871 -RG10 /74 f31 p54

52 Church Street, Chelsea
Charles Clarke   46 Shoe maker bn Clapham, Surrey
Angelina Clarke 48  bn Brixton, Surrey
Charles Clarke   21 Shoe maker bn Kennington, Surrey
Mary Clarke   13 bn Battersea, Surrey
Henry Clarke   10 bn Walham Green, Middlesex
John Clarke   7 bn Chelsea, Middlesex
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Wednesday 08 March 17 20:02 GMT (UK)
thank you so far, he was first marry in Emeral Hill Victoria Aust in 1887 to Emily Thompson
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Wednesday 08 March 17 20:32 GMT (UK)
You may find him on the PROV Unassisted Assisted Passenger lists arriving between 1871 and 1887:

https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists

Unfortunately, the PROV have changed the search function and it is harder to narrow down the search specifically to "Charles Clarke".

If you have his death certificate it may give you an indication of how long he had been in Australia.
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Thursday 16 March 17 04:50 GMT (UK)
i have applied for his death cert and when that comes I will inform you , thank you
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Sunday 19 March 17 05:17 GMT (UK)
seeing this Charles Clarke was born in 1849, is there any record of him marry before he came to Australian and left wife behind as he married in Victoria in 1878, this would have made him 28 , so have a funny feeling that he could have seeing that he had two wifes and a de facto each having been with about 11 years
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 19 March 17 07:47 GMT (UK)
Charles Clarke Age:   22 occ Boot Maker
Elizabeth Hannah Wilson Age:   21
17 Sep 1871
St Mary, Battersea
Father Charles John Clarke occ Boot maker
Spouse Father   Edward William Wilson occ Tailor
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 19 March 17 08:07 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Clarke with her parents in 1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK6Y-5Q16

Elizabeth is 'Married' with an 8 year old daughter Elizabeth
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 19 March 17 08:32 GMT (UK)
1891 still with father

Edward Wilson   72 occ Tailor bn Lincolnshire
Ann Wilson   62 bn Ramsgate, Kent
Elizabeth Clarke   40 bn Chelsea
Mabel Clarke   18   bn Chelsea
Walter Clarke   9 bn Battersea
William Tranter   19


Elizabeth Mabel Clark
Birth Date 8 Sep 1872
Baptism    13 Oct 1872
Battersea, Surrey
Father  Charles Clark
Mother Elizabeth Hannah Clark


Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 19 March 17 08:37 GMT (UK)
Walter Clarke
Born 21 August 1882
Baptism    12 Jun 1887
Father   Charles Clarke occ Shipster
Mother   Elizabeth Anna Clarke
Battersea St John
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Sunday 19 March 17 08:42 GMT (UK)
is this the same family as it is a different woman, Elizabeth Hannah the first and the second one is Elizabeth anna or is this a spelling error
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 19 March 17 09:47 GMT (UK)
I would think Anna & Hannah are the same person. They sound the same with an accent  ;D The address on the baptism ties in with the 1891 census  ;D

Elizabeth Mabel Clarke
mmn  WILSON     
1872  Dec Quarter
CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 288

Births in Battersea area surname Clarke mmn Wilson

Walter Edward CLARKE
mmn WILSON     
1874  Sept Quarter
WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 538
Don't know what happened to him  ::)

Walter CLARKE
mmn WILSON     
1881  Sept Quarter
WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 696
That baptism appears to have birth date wrong by one year

Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Monday 20 March 17 04:43 GMT (UK)
i got Charles Clarke DC and it stated that he had live 40 years in nsw and that at the time of his death he was at the royal Hotel Thornleigh in Sydney
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 20 March 17 08:05 GMT (UK)
i got Charles Clarke DC and it stated that he had live 40 years in nsw and that at the time of his death he was at the royal Hotel Thornleigh in Sydney

When did he die so we can work out when he went to Australia  ;)
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Monday 20 March 17 08:09 GMT (UK)
3 November 1911
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 20 March 17 10:26 GMT (UK)
Walter Clarke who was bn c1881 Battersea marries Rosa Pauline Davey 26 December 1914 at St Philips Church, Cheam Common, Surrey His occupation is 'traveller' - father Charles Clarke bootmaker -deceased.  Walter can be found with his brides family in 1911.
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 20 March 17 10:30 GMT (UK)
Did he marry in 1878 or 1887  :-\

thank you so far, he was first marry in Emeral Hill Victoria Aust in 1887 to Emily Thompson


seeing this Charles Clarke was born in 1849, is there any record of him marry before he came to Australian and left wife behind as he married in Victoria in 1878,
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 20 March 17 10:51 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Mabel married in 9th April 1898 to Hamilton Edward Finlayson.  She said her father was Charles Clarke bootmaker deceased, her mother Elizabeth Hannah Clarke witnessed the marriage.

Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Monday 20 March 17 19:03 GMT (UK)
Did he marry in 1878 or 1887  :-\

I can see the marriage of a Charles Clarke to Emily Thompson in Victoria in 1878.
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Monday 20 March 17 19:20 GMT (UK)
sorry for making that mistake, but now I have to find if this Charles Clarke died or not or was it a put off, as there is a cc on trove that jump ship leaving England for Australia
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Monday 20 March 17 20:20 GMT (UK)
Do you have the 1878 marriage record?  Does it confirm his parents names?
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Monday 20 March 17 20:30 GMT (UK)
yes it does
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Monday 20 March 17 20:31 GMT (UK)
Charles Clarke and Angelina Clarke nee Everett
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Monday 20 March 17 22:56 GMT (UK)
Duplicate post: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766062.0
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: staplehouse on Monday 10 April 17 20:39 BST (UK)
hi
can some one able to tell me where to go to find out more about the information regarding Charles Clarke of unclaim money
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Monday 10 April 17 20:52 BST (UK)
If this relates to Australia you should really post the question in the Australia forum.
Title: Re: charles clarke
Post by: CC-Trackers on Monday 09 March 20 14:58 GMT (UK)
Hello all, We have updated the Trove Lists on Charles Clarke; including items on PapersPast, linked. We have also included the text of items from California papers from when he was in Petaluma, after leaving Auckland. They are not linked but are all from newspapers.com.

Please find an Index page for the CC Lists here:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/list?id=139930

CC Trackers.