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Robert Bach born 1858 in Scotland died in 1914 in Edinburgh. Address at death Craiglockhart Poorhouse. Residence Edinburgh Grassmarket.
I cannot find him in 1911 - must have been hiding under the bed??
Any help appreciated. When working he was a housepainter.
Bert
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thougt so.... no response to my request .. he is impossible to find!
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Unfortunately we are unable to respond to look-up requests for the 1911 census and the 1939 register due to copyright.
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Sorry I didnt know that
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Not sure that applies to Scotland ?
.... and its not due to Copyright issues - its simply banned in the Providers T's & C's that one signs up to - ie you cannot do lookups for 3rd Parties ....
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I stand corrected :-[
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dont worry about it, a lot of people think its Copyright .... the whole thing is confusing about Lookups, some are no issue, some seem to be down to the provider's rules, some are Country-dependant !
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Hi Bert,
Have you tried variants of 'Bach' with only initial 'R'?
Where was Robert in 1901?
Looking up SP Index to help OP can do no harm surely as the Index is FREE to all i.e. giving a Ref. No. should be okay I would assume?
Annie
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hi Annie
Have sent you a PM
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Robert was in Stirling in 1901 - a single boarder. He had middle name Edmund according to his baptism in Leith.
If he was in the Poorhouse in 1911, might he have been listed under initials RB only?
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thanks Josey you are right re 1901. I never thought of him being recorded as RB! IN POORHOUSE OR WHEREVER HE WAS.
i HAVE HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE BUT NOBODY IN eDINBURGH CAN TELL ME WHERE HE IS BURIED.
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I don't know whether you can look for an address on 1911 census on SP, or browse images within an address.
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I don't know Josey
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And you can't even try unless you pay out >:(
ADDED: From
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Edinburgh/
it appears that the Poorhouse records are held here:
Edinburgh City Archives, Level 1, City Chambers, 253 High Street, Edinburgh EH1 1YJ
As it's over 100 years you may be able to find his admission record. ..
Also possibly he was in a Stirling Poorhouse
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sadly the records no longer exist when he was there
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I don't know whether you can look for an address on 1911 census on SP, or browse images within an address.
No Josey, you can't search with an address unless it's the Valuation Rolls.
Annie
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Blank on two fronts then :(. Thanks for the info.
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Josey
I checked the valuation rolls for where he lived either side of his death using address on death cert.
It is listed as a lodging house.
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Robert was in Stirling in 1901 - a single boarder. He had middle name Edmund according to his baptism in Leith.
If he was in the Poorhouse in 1911, might he have been listed under initials RB only?
Your right Josey,
"under" 'Robert's Bed' ??? ;D
Anyway...
I found (age is out on this one by 10 yrs but is Edinburgh)
BLACK ROBERT E
1911
42
697/ 7/ 18
Penicuik, Midlothian
Also;
Nearest I could find if there was an error with his name maybe if he had speech problems or someone else giving info. may have got it wrong, all sorts of reasons for mis-transcriptions.
Using his age as a guide;
BAIRD
ROBERT
1911
54
485/A 6/ 17
Larbert (Stirling)
BAKER
ROBERT
1911
51
652/2 2/ 12
Coatbridge or Old Monkland (Lanark)
Annie
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BLACK ROBERT E
1911
42
697/ 7/ 18
Penicuik, Midlothian
This one can be ruled out as he's in Edinburgh 1901
Annie
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OK, thanks for looking that up.
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BAIRD ROBERT
1911
54
485/A 6/ 17
Larbert (Stirling)
Can be ruled out as he's in Stirling 1901
BAIRD ROBERT
1901
44
485/A 5/ 41
Larbert, Stirling
Annie
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BAKER
ROBERT
1911
51
652/2 2/ 12
Coatbridge or Old Monkland (Lanark)
Can also be ruled out as he's in the same place 1901
BAKER ROBERT
1901
41
652/2 2/ 13
Coatbridge or Old Monkland
Bach to the drawing board ???
Annie
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Robert Bach born 1858 in Scotland died in 1914 in Edinburgh. Address at death Craiglockhart Poorhouse. Residence Edinburgh Grassmarket.
RD on death is Colinton & age would have been 56 i.e. c 53 (ish) in 1911
I wonder why he ended up in Edinburgh from Stirling?
Did any of his family live in Edinburgh?
Had he been working there?
Was he a Widower?
Who was his wife, where/when did she die?
What was cause of death & who was the informant?
Josey,
My geography of Edinburgh isn't great with RD's.
I'm now doing a search in Midlothian with no surname & only initial 'R', this one has no surname on the index i.e. could this be a possible?
----- ROBERT
1911
50
685/5 31/ 8
Newington, Midlothian
Thinking if he'd been living/working in Edinburgh as a 'Boarder' the person who filled out the census form may not have known his surname or age....clutching straws now ???
Thinking that's quite a wee distance from Colinton to Newington?
Annie
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Bach to the drawing board ???
;D ;D ;D You're on form today Annie.
Thinking that's quite a wee distance from Colinton to Newington?
Not a huge distance, they are both south of the centre. Would be great to see original census sheet of Robert X to see his occupation.
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No harm/offence meant but the people south of the border would pronounce 'bach' as 'back' :D
Yep, the occupation is the main thing now, such a pity we can't get transcriptions for 1911 :(
Annie
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----- ROBERT
1911
50
685/5 31/ 8
Newington, Midlothian
This has been discounted...
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Thanks Josey,
Turning the page now ???
Bert,
To get a feel for his movements can you list in order where Robert was in;
1861/71/81/91 as we have 1901
Trying to work out the move from Edinburgh to Stirling & back to Edinburgh?
Annie
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Hello
I am researching this man too. In 1861 he was in Edinburgh with parents. Again in Edinburgh, 1871, 1881 and 1891 the latter with wife and children. In 1901 Stirling.
Occupation was house-painter.
He died in the Craiglockhart Poorhouse in Oct 1914 according to death certificate usual residence was Edinburgh. I also cannot find his grave. The Poorhouse records don't exist.
He must be in 1911 but where.... unless of course he is one who was missed!!
Anyone assist further with 1911 and place of burial in 1914.
Jas
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Just a thought but Edinburgh isn't far from the borders, may be with a family member or some other reason in N of England?
Annie
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Good point Annie thanks. He was born in Edinburgh in 1858 but no sign of him in England
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Ok, another thought...
Could he be with a family member, daughter or other (with different surname) & recorded under their surname in error unless all family are accounted for in 1911?
Clutching at straws now but odd things do happen ???
Annie
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I have gone over this & there’s a few things which don’t tally for Robert Edmond
“Robert Bach born 1858 in Scotland died in 1914 in Edinburgh”
On death he was recorded as aged 65 (birth year 1849) which is 9 yrs out!
“Address at death Craiglockhart Poorhouse. Residence Edinburgh Grassmarket”
RD District was Colinton which helps researchers as the Lothians have quite a few
This may be a long shot on someone else filling in details but may be worth investigating as the surname may have been misheard as Back/Black rather than Bach & depending on accents ‘CH’ can often be pronounced ‘CK’
1911
BLACK ROBERT 49 (born c 1862) which is far closer than the age given at death
677/ 4/ 19 Colinton, Midlothian
Not sure if this has been discounted already?
My thinking is (hopefully) someone else filled in the details as Robert does seem to use his middle name quite often on other records?
Annie
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BLACK ROBERT 49 (born c 1862) which is far closer than the age given at death
677/ 4/ 19 Colinton, Midlothian
Not sure if this has been discounted already?
Can discount him too as he's with his wife in Colinton 1901 & born Lanark :(
Annie
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Annie
Thank you for your thoughts. I agree with your view of this. Chances are name is under something else maybe even Black as you say.
I suppose his occupation "house painter" could also be a valuable clue?
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I suppose his occupation "house painter" could also be a valuable clue?
Unfortunately there's no way of finding out as the 1911 is only available on SP & can't be searched by occ. ::)
Annie