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Title: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: patDEN on Thursday 09 March 17 00:16 GMT (UK)
Hello all
I am seeking information regarding Dalton/Crowe of Corrogemore Tipperary.  My Dalton family lived and farmed in the townland of Corrogemore from at least the 1850's to 1911.  Patrick and Hanora Dalton's only daughter, Mary, married William Crowe sometime after the 1911 Census [Mary would've been aged about 28 in 1911].  It is known that William and Mary had a son, also named William. It is also known that William and Mary eventually purchased the Dalton Corrogemore farm.  I have no further information on these families, except to add that Mary's brothers, James and Michael Dalton were known to have worked in Tipperary Town Post Office sometime between the 1890's and 1911.
Any help and suggestions for further research will be most appreciated
Thanks
patDEN
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 08:25 GMT (UK)
For Reference
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Tipperary_Town/Bridge_Street/1720065/
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 08:28 GMT (UK)
A John Crowe son of William married a Mary Dalton dtr of Patrick 1921
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09243/5345838.pdf
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 08:31 GMT (UK)
possible James and mother 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Tipperary_Rural/Corrogemore/832472/
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 08:38 GMT (UK)
Michael Dalton born 1880 to Patrick Dalton and Hanora Cummins
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02851/2044803.pdf
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 08:45 GMT (UK)
Mary 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02712/1998445.pdf
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 09:09 GMT (UK)
Honora Dalton died 1929 her daughter Mary Crowe was informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1929/04932/4339896.pdf
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 10:16 GMT (UK)
Appears to be Mary's death 1955 widow of John Crowe informant Chrissie Crowe daughter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1955/04430/4157494.pdf

John Crowe died 1961 widower informant son William Crowe
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1961/04323/4116463.pdf

Crowe John,Administration papers,will annexed,de bonis non
ref   2005/46/56  date 1984
address of deceased  Croguemore,Tipperary
date of death 26th April 1961,Date of Grant 2nd Feb 1984
Transferred by Clonmel District Probate Registry in 2005

search archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: patDEN on Thursday 09 March 17 11:12 GMT (UK)
Blimey, I simply cannot believe my eyes.  When I clicked on the link a half an hour ago, all this family information seemingly tumbled out.  It was truly spine-tingling stuff!  I cannot thank you enough, dathai - your time, your knowledge and expertise is so much appreciated by me and also my family when I get this new informaton to them.  Your research has answered many of my queries and my knowledge of the Crowe family has grown to include another generation.  It would appear as if the Dalton farm at Corrogemore was still in the Crowe family until at least 1961 when John Crowe died.  I am yet to see what the documentation at the National Archives will provide.  Cannot wait to pursue this direction.  Again many thanks.
patDEN
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 09 March 17 11:31 GMT (UK)
Michael DALTON died Sept 02 1962 unmarried - LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1962/04299/4107939.pdf)
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 09 March 17 11:50 GMT (UK)
They also has a sister name Winfred on Apr 21 1882 - LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02781/2021123.pdf)

She is on the 1901 census with her paternal aunt - LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Tipperary_Town/Main_Street/1720169/)
Hanora DALTON m John GODFREY in Tipperary 1873

I cannot see Winifred DALTON in 1911 and as yet can't see a marriage or death either

edited to add
There is an emigration record for Winifred DELTON (but original looks more like DALTON)
Aug 17 1906 from Derry to Boston, MA, USA on board the Parisian - aged 24, single and a nurse


Just found a tree on line that shows Winifred in Queensland in 1906 marrying Charles MOHR!
It has Patrick and Honora as her parents and no further detail


Patrick DALTON died Apr 05 1884 and John Godfrey was the informant (this original is not online yet)
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: patDEN on Thursday 09 March 17 13:21 GMT (UK)
This forum is amazing ... thank you MyLuck ... you have added yet further information to our knowledge.  It was great to get the death date of Michael and to learn he was unmarried... so presumably no Dalton descendants from that line.  I wonder if his brother James b ~ 1879 turns up anywhere on the records?   Hanora Dalton who married John Godfrey in Tipperary in 1873 is probably Patrick's sister.  In my initial message I said that Mary was the only daughter of Patrick and Hanora Dalton of Corregemore... I should have said she was their only daughter living in Ireland at the time.  Mary's older sister, Winifred, migrated to Australia in 1903 and married Charles Mohr in Queensland in 1906.  She died Denmark Western Australia in 1966. 
Well, off I go again ... I still have to see what the National Archives have to offer ...
Your time and knowledge and direction ... again,  very much appreciated.
patDEN
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 09 March 17 13:23 GMT (UK)
possible Crowe family Kilfeakle
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilfeakle/Knockballynoe_East/831655/

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilfeakle/Knockballynoe_East/1718872/

children
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jnu/
possibly John 1888 but mothers name Ryan ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02505/1928821.pdf

27th August 1871 William Crowe to Mary Davern
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632729#page/197/mode/1up
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Maggsie on Thursday 09 March 17 14:45 GMT (UK)
I thought I recognized this...............
Mary's older sister, Winifred, migrated to Australia in 1903 and married Charles Mohr in Queensland in 1906.  She died Denmark Western Australia in 1966. 
I send info to someone in Australia via another site, oh it must be 10 or 12 years ago.
Maggsie

Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: patDEN on Friday 10 March 17 04:43 GMT (UK)
I sincerely thank Maggsie for her personal message and Mary Dalton information also myluck and dathai for such indepth research and follow-ups ... my new Dalton/Crowe knowedge has surpassed any expectations.  Everything so much appreciated. Thankyou.
patDEN
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Friday 21 July 17 15:40 BST (UK)
Hello, I am searching for information on Maurice Dalton, son of Maurice and Winifred Dalton, born Tipperary. Possibly died 1932. Half brother of Mary, Bridget, John, Edward, William, Margaret, Julia (mother was Amy, but also may be named Emma or Emily, and Josephine (mother was Johanna). The Crowe family (Willie and Mary) are/were cousins and, from what I know, lived on the Dalton family. Any information is appreciated. 
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Maggsie on Friday 21 July 17 15:55 BST (UK)
Hi this is a list of all the Dalton's that went to Australia before 1870.
Maurice is at the bottom of the list.
Tipp or (Tipp) means Tipperary town in most lists.
Ok
Maggsie

DALTON   Bridget      1838   27   Emly   Michael / Catherine O'DONNELL,at   Emly. {+husb=Michael,29 &   Margaret,9 + Richard,9 mths.}   Ship =   Strathfieldsaye
DALTON   Bridget      1852   22   Borrisokane   John / eliza   living near Borrisokane   Sister = Mrs KEARNEY,nr Windsor   Ship =   Joseph Somes
DALTON   Catherine      1841   29   Tipperary Town   Michael RYAN / Mary QUIRK   both dead  ,  F was a farmer   {wife of James , 22.}   Ship =   Jane Gifford
DALTON   Catherine      1860   20   Killenaule - IDJ   xx   xx   Pd by Cornelius McCORMACK   Ship =   Hannah More
DALTON   Edmund      1848   22   Clonmel   xx   xx   xx   Ship =   Sir Edward Parry
DALTON   Ellen      1850   24   Bansha   John / Mary  CASEY   Mother in Bancher   None .  R.C. {wife of Thomas,32}   Ship =   Oriental
DALTON   Ellen      1862   21   Kilmyla   xx   xx {wife of Michael ,24 +dau   Anne,infant.}   Ship =   Hotspur
DALTON   James      1841   22   Tipperary Town   Morris D. ./ Catherine  HENNESSY   Father = a farmer   {husband of Catherine , 29.}   Ship =   Jane Gifford
DALTON   James      1854   31   Borrisokane   John/Elizabeth   living at Borrisakane   Sis=Bridget BULLOCK , Windsor .   Ship =   Lady Elgin
DALTON   Jane      1841   22   Tipperary town   James / Jane  FAHY   alive , Father = a carpenter   {wife of Richard,25} Baptism Certfd   Ship =   Fairlie
DALTON   Margaret      1854   32   (Tipp)   William/Ellen  CR ? ANNIDGE   both dead     -wife of Patrick-   3 ch=Martin 5,Ellen 2 , William  inft   Ship =   Monsoon
DALTON   Mary      1862   24   Scarril ?Bansha   xx   xx   Paid for by Maurice  Dalton .   Ship =   Ocean Empress
DALTON   Michael      1838   29   (Tipp)   Richard / Margaret living at Tipp.   Michael known at Emly.   {+wife=Bridget,27 & 2 chn.} Carpent   er.    Ship =   Strathfieldsaye
DALTON   Michael      1862   24   Kilmyla   xx  IDJ - Foxforth.   xx {husb of Ellen ,21.}   Pd for by Alexander WILLIAMS.   Ship =   Hotspur
DALTON   Patrick      1854   27   (TIPP)   Martin/Margaret   both dead   None .  R.C. with wife & 3 ch    Ship =   Monsoon
DALTON   Patrick      1855   21   Bansha   Patrick/Bridget   both dead   Sister=Alice Dalton , Sydney .   Ship =   Gloriana
DALTON   Richard      1841   25   Tipperary Town   John / Anne - Father = a carpenter   both alive   {husb of  Jane,22} Baptism Certfied   Ship =   Fairlie
DALTON   Thomas      1850   32   Bansha   Garrett / Kate   both dead   None .  R.C.{husb of Ellen,24}   Ship =    Oriental
DALTON    Morrice      1841   20   Tipp / Tipp   Morrice D ./ Catherine HENNESSY   Father = a farmer   xx   Ship =   Jane Gifford
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Friday 21 July 17 16:00 BST (UK)
Thank you, Maggsie, I think this may be a different Maurice, but appreciate the information you provided. Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: myluck! on Saturday 22 July 17 13:42 BST (UK)
There is a death in 1932 Cashel District for a Maurice DALTON aged 38 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1932/04875/4318817.pdf)

He was born on Feb 25 1896 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02182/1826072.pdf)
to Maurice DALTON and Winfred HANLY

They had married on Feb 20 1895 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10518/5831365.pdf)

The 1901 census shows Maurice with wife Emily and 5 children LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilfeakle/Ballhusty/1718929/)
I believe that Winfred and Emma/Emily/Amy maybe the same person
Amy DALTON died Sept 19 1905 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05585/4569382.pdf)#224

The 1911 census shows Maurice with wife Joanna and 9 children LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003345828/)
They married on Jan 16 1908 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10046/5654387.pdf)

Children are (from www.irishgenealogy.ie)
(with mother maiden name HANLY)
Maurice Feb 25 1895
Margaret Jan 01 1896
Mary Mar 24 1898
Julia Apr 20 1901
Edmond Jun 13 1900
Bridget Jun 12 1901
John Feb 22 1903
William Apr 26 1905
(with mother maiden name Joanna O'BRIEN)
James May 14 1908 (presumably child that died)
Josephine/Joanna May 12 1909
Mary May 25 1910

Not sure how a CROWE family would be connected could be
Maurice DALTON Snr's sister married a CROWE for a full first cousin
Winifred/Emma HANLY's sister married a CROWE for a full first cousin
or they could be more distantly related and referred to as cousins
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Saturday 22 July 17 16:31 BST (UK)
Thank you for your post. It contains information that I was not aware of, and will now be able to check further! Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: RobertCasey on Wednesday 26 July 17 00:03 BST (UK)
County Tipperary and County Clare are the epicenter of the Dal Cais tribe which includes the King Brian Boru (we actually have Sir Conor O'Brien who the official titleholder of the O'Brien surname whose ancestry has proven their ancestry every generation for around 40 generations). The haplogroup R-L226 is the second largest Irish based haplogroup which contains a large percentage of the Dal Cais tribe.

Crow/Crowe is a major part of the L226 haplogroup where ten Crow testers have tested to 67 markers. The Crow testers are all closely related under the L226 branch, DC135. If you are DC135 and 449 (28>27), nine of ten of the Crow testers belong to this branch. The tenth Crow tester is just above 449 (28>27) and is probably related as well.

If you have Crow ancestor from Tipperary or Clare, I encourage you to test 67 markers at FTDNA and see if you belong to this large Crow cluster. If you test and do belong to this cluster, you should then share traditional genealogy to determine the exact relationship. Here is a chart that shows how the nine Crow testers that are 449 (28>27) are genetically related to each other and the rest of the Dal Cais clan:

http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L226/Haplotrees/L226_Home.pdf#Page=39 (http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L226/Haplotrees/L226_Home.pdf#Page=39)

Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: AherlowFamily on Saturday 04 November 17 06:18 GMT (UK)
Hello PatDEN,

I am distantly related to Patrick Dalton's wife Hanora Cummins. She was the daughter of Richard Cummins and Mary Burke. Mary Burke was the sister to my 2nd Great-Grandfather Patrick Burke. If you are a descendant of Mary Burke and Richard Cummins then we would be distant cousins. It would be great to hear from you

Take care,
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Wednesday 27 December 17 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hello, I am trying to find the meaning of the initials after surname. My great grandfather was Maurice Dalton. He was killed in an accident, in Tipperary, in 1869 on the way back from a meeting regarding Fenian prisoners. In his death notice he is listed as Mr Dalton, P.L.G., Ballyhurst.  I cannot find what the letters PLG mean.

I am also trying to find a marriage registration for his son, Maurice, and Amy/Emily Hanly (my grandmother). Maurice was first married to Winifred Hanly who died in 1896. The next year he married Amy/Emily Hanly. I can find no record of Amy's birth or their marriage. She used several first names on the birth registrations of her children, so not sure what her real first name was. I do have her death notice in 1905. 

Any help is much appreciated. Thank you! Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: merrick7 on Thursday 28 December 17 00:07 GMT (UK)
Poor Law Guardian see a previous post on this site http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=491272.0

P J
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: merrick7 on Thursday 28 December 17 00:30 GMT (UK)
Maurice Dalton of Ballyhurst must have married again for the third time to Johanna O Brien on 16th Jan 1908 a daughter of Michael a cattle dealer
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 06:09 GMT (UK)
I am also trying to find a marriage registration for his son, Maurice, and Amy/Emily Hanly (my grandmother). Maurice was first married to Winifred Hanly who died in 1896. The next year he married Amy/Emily Hanly. I can find no record of Amy's birth or their marriage. She used several first names on the birth registrations of her children, so not sure what her real first name was. I do have her death notice in 1905. 

Any help is much appreciated. Thank you! Northwest 26

What evidence have you got that Winifred died?
could it not simply be that Winifred used the name Emily/Emma/Amy.
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 28 December 17 14:21 GMT (UK)
I would agree with Sinann re Emily/Amy being Winnifred

there are this couple Edmond Hanly and Bridget Maher/Meagher
cant see an obvious marriage before 1869
children
William 1869
Margaret 1870
Johanna 1872
Elizabeth 1873 who possibly married John O'Keeffe in 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10227/5722609.pdf
not obvious to me on census
Timothy 1877
Cornelius 1879
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 14:47 GMT (UK)
Is this not Winifred's birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03615/2334391.pdf
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 28 December 17 14:57 GMT (UK)
Looks good Sinann
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilmucklin/Shanballymore/1719416/
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 28 December 17 15:09 GMT (UK)
James Taylor married Bridget Hanley age 26 in 1884 born circa 1858 ,one of their witnesses was Amelia Hanly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10893/5979104.pdf

edited to add 1911 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Duntryleague/Corbally/634819/

no wonder i could'nt find Bridget in 1901 she uses her maiden name
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Duntryleague/Corbally/1506124/
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 15:27 GMT (UK)
Looks good dathai,
I would think she was named after a grandmother, they didn't use the name, calling her Ameila instead but she had to marry with the same name she was baptised and Murice in turn used that name on the first child's cert.

If on the other hand Maurice did marry twice after 1901 (Amy and Johanna) both marriages should be noted on his baptism, a marriage before 1901 wouldn't be on it.
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 28 December 17 16:31 GMT (UK)
Edmond died 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05864/4662218.pdf
Will index
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014913/005014913_00106.pdf

Mary 1918
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05194/4434938.pdf

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilmucklin/Shanballymore/832199/
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 16:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you all! Maurice was a farmer, so I had ruled out Poor Law Guardian, but it sure is a possibility.
I do have a death registration for Winifred, so am stumped about Amy/Emily. Your help is much appreciated. Northwest 26 
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 17:21 GMT (UK)
When and where did Winny die?
I couldn't find her
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 17:40 GMT (UK)
Winifred died 2/28/1896 Ballyhurst, Tipperary. Maurice must have married Amy/Emily/Amelia (?) soon after, as Maurice and Amy's first child, Margaret, was born 1/24/1897. Her mother is listed as Emily on Margaret's birth. My mother is their daughter, Bridget, whose mother is listed as Amy on my mother's birth certificate. Amy is the name used on Amy's death certificate.
She shows up as Emily on the two census..1901 and 1911. There seems no record of Maurice's marriage to Amy or of Amy's birth! I cannot find any Hanly's who could be her parents. I'm pretty sure she must be Winifred's first cousin, as she must have known Maurice before Winifred died, but cannot find her parents! As you can see, I am needing all the help I can get. Thank you so much for the information you have provided. Northwest 26       
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 18:10 GMT (UK)
But where did you get the information on Winifred's death?
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 18:35 GMT (UK)
I will have to write to my cousin, as she gave me that information. I cannot find my written documentation. Winifred died of lying in fever, just days after the birth of her first child, Maurice.
It is a puzzle, as my mother did not talk of Winifred, or about her own mother (who died when my mother was very young). I only heard of stepmother, Johanna. Thank you for helping me. Northwest 26.
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 18:43 GMT (UK)
Maurice registered his son Maurice's birth on the 13 March 1896 (born 25 February)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02182/1826072.pdf
It would very odd if he didn't register Winifred's death at the same time.
Have to go through the register page by page because she is not showing in the index
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 18:58 GMT (UK)
I've written to my cousin to see if she has the documentation. I know we asked ourselves if Winifred was Amy, and decided not. Thank you for searching for me! Northwest 26.   
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: dathai on Thursday 28 December 17 18:59 GMT (UK)
Winifred's baptism is here 21st June 1864 right hand page you could schroll back through the register looking for older siblings and possibly the parents marriage
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632777#page/167/mode/1up
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 19:09 GMT (UK)
Thank you! I do have that information, including information on parents and siblings, just can't trace how she is connected to Amy/Emily, assuming they are not the same person. I have a death registration for Amy Dalton, 1905 which lists possible date of birth as 1866.
I have a birth registration for Winifred Hanly listing birth as 1864.  I do so much appreciate your feedback. Northwest 26 
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 19:15 GMT (UK)
Have you got Maurice's baptism?
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 19:52 GMT (UK)
I don't see that I have Maurice's baptism, just names of his parents, Maurice Dalton and Margaret O'Brien. Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 19:55 GMT (UK)
Oops, you probably meant Maurice Jr.'s, baptism. I don't see that I have it, just his birth registration with mother as Winifred. Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 20:39 GMT (UK)
I don't see that I have Maurice's baptism, just names of his parents, Maurice Dalton and Margaret O'Brien. Northwest 26

Yes this one, assuming he was born before Civil Registration that his mother's name came from...usually a Baptisim.
Any marriage after 1900 is meant to be noted on the baptism.
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: merrick7 on Thursday 28 December 17 20:53 GMT (UK)
Maurice who was a farmer would also have been a Poor Law Gaurdian .
   Going by naming patterns your Margaret born in 1897 was more than likely called after her mothers mother . So checking baptisms in the local area looking for a Hanley girl born to a Margaret I find the bapt. of Ellen Hanly in Emly parish to Walter Hanly and Margaret O Dwyer in April !868 .

Edmond Dalton was born in Ballyhurst on 13th June 1900 to Maurice Dalton and Ellen Hanley . There is probably a Church marriage in Emly for the couple . I will have a chat with Fr. Rochford there for you who loves a bit of genealogy . Or you could pay for the information in Tipperary .
   The Hanly girls may not have been related I'm  thinking as there is a connection with the Dalton's of Ballyhurst , my crowd . and O Ryans of Ballyhurst and also the Hanleys of Emly  . Then again you could be right and they were cousins

P J
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: merrick7 on Thursday 28 December 17 21:09 GMT (UK)
If the baptisms for Margaret , Edmond , Julia , Bridget , Mary , William and John were checked also and there were O Dwyer sponsors it would help confirm my belief .
 It is also not unusual for marriages not to be registered . We call it human error and it frustrates us all in facing that brick wall . Not registering births and deaths after 1864 we were especially good at . I would fine half my ancestors for that offence .
P J
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 21:12 GMT (UK)
I can see a Maurice Dalton and Margaret O'Brien having children baptised in Tipperary parish just can't see Maurice yet.
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 December 17 21:43 GMT (UK)
BTW Emily/Amy is in the Will Calendars as Emily
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014916/005014916_00407.pdf

RootsIreland only seem to have one marriage for Maurice Dalton +/-1896 and one for Winifred Hanly
so if he did marry an Emily it wasn't in his local church
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Thursday 28 December 17 23:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that information. I will try to find any record of baptisms. Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Shay123 on Friday 16 March 18 16:21 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Sorry I haven't got time to read everyones post in detail but I have this data

Roman Cath Parish Registers
Thomas Crowe and Mary Danton / Danlon / Dalton had four baptisms
Patrick 05 Sep 1834,
Edmond 07 Mar 1836,
James 20 May 1838 and
Patrick again 08 Mar 1843. 
Residence Kilshinane, Knockavilla - Near Cashel

Thomas Crowe and Elizabeth Dalton had Eliza baptised in Dublin 25 Jan 1867 I have a note that says the birth may be 11 Jan 1867?
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Friday 16 March 18 18:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the information! I will attempt to find more information on Eliza Crowe Dalton, as I'm curious to learn when the Crowe and Dalton families first joined together. I have Dalton/Crowe family in Tipperary, so not sure about this family in Dublin.
I'm still looking for information on my grandmother (married to Maurice Dalton in Tipperary). Can't confirm if she was, in fact, Winifred Hanly, or Amy/Ellen/Emma Hanly. Amy Hanly died in 1905 and that is the name on my mother's birth certificate. I can't find a death registration for Winifred or a marriage registration for Amy..to Maurice. Your help is much appreciated. Northwest 26

 
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: Shay123 on Saturday 17 March 18 09:48 GMT (UK)
Hi again,
Thanks for the reply, glad to help
One quick thought as I also have a problem with an Ellen Hanly as a possible connection.
I have thousands of baptism records I have scavenged over the years (only way to solve the brick wall) and for larger families it is amazing how any one person can be recorded. Of course we know the variations happen and there is illiteracy, dialects etc. However the thing is it is possible to see variations in childrens birth / baptism registers over the years that may help in deciding between formal and informal names? It may be a trial to get the names but as a last resort?
Another thought I just had while writing is that if youare searching in Tipperary even the state records are split between registration districts i.e. Cashel, Nenagh, Thurles, Tipperary and even Limerick. Searching for Tipp only will not find these other Tipp records. Many of my  names are split between Limerick and Tipperary though they are all from " Solohead ". Places in Tipp do not relate very well to Google maps either and is, frankly, a nightmare to understand the districts over time.

Best of luck,
No reply needed! :)
Shay
Enclosed a couple of attachments that you may have already.
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Saturday 17 March 18 15:49 GMT (UK)
Thank you! I did not have the James/Hanoria marriage registration, so will research that line. Every clue is appreciated : ) Northwest 26
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: AherlowFamily on Saturday 14 April 18 16:22 BST (UK)
Hello patDEN,

I received your nice PM but the messaging system will not let me respond. If possible could you send me another message containing e-mail contact information ? I would really appreciate it! It would be great to correspond with you.

Thanks!

AherlowFamily
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: patDEN on Sunday 15 April 18 00:43 BST (UK)
Thanks AherlowFamily ... just gatheirng my thoughts as we speak!  So glad I was browsing yesterday!
Will send you the photo immediately!
patDEN
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: patDEN on Tuesday 17 April 18 06:36 BST (UK)
To Northwest26
Thanks for your reply to my personal message Northwest26 ... the reason you don't see it on the forum is because it is private communiation between the two of us! 
I am convinced that the Mr Dalton you refer to as Maurice Dalton who was accidentally killed by the runaway trap in 1869 is my James Dalton,  I will send you details of this later.
My husband's grandmother, Winifred Dalton, was a sister to Mary Dalton Crowe, wife of John Crowe. So, yes, we are connected to this family of Corregemore.  However more on that later, as well.  I really wanted to reply as soon as I could so you could see that your message had reached me.  I will next send you a PM and we can then get stuck into these families!  So glad you replied!
Cheers
patDEN
Title: Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
Post by: northwest26 on Tuesday 17 April 18 15:01 BST (UK)
Thank you patDEN. I'm still not sure I understand the private reply vs the other, so bear with me. I look forward to sharing our family history! A cousin and I are working together to figure out how  Winifred Hanly Dalton (Maurice's first wife) connects to my mother, and her many siblings. Looking forward to hearing from you. Northwest 26