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Title: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Saturday 11 March 17 21:00 GMT (UK)
This is the place of death given on my great-grandmother's death certificate in 1945, with her home address being in Monk Hopton, Bridgnorth. The cause of death was arteriosclerosis, and the informant states his/ her relationship as "occupier".

Am I correct in surmising that this is the Public Assistance Institution, formerly the Union Workhouse? What circumstances might have led to her being there, and are there any records extant for that year? Is there any way of finding out where she was buried?

We know very little about her life, and can't even be sure that my grandfather was made aware of her death (long story). Her (much younger!) husband died in the 1960s but we were ignorant even of her marriage until quite recently. This is all down to the power of the internet!

If anyone can shed any light I would be extremely grateful. I am based in West Yorkshire and on a very limited income, so unfortunately field trips to Shropshire are pretty much out of the question for now.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 11 March 17 21:12 GMT (UK)
Website page about Wellington Workhouse:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WellingtonSalop/

It was built in 1874/5 on the North Side of Street Lane, which later became Holyhead Road.
After 1930, the Street Lane site became a Public Assistance Institution.
In 1948 it joined the new National Health Service as the Wrekin Hospital.

The site included an infirmary and a fever hospital.

I reckon the infirmary was one of the few places poorer people could get medical attention, and the address given was to avoid the stigma re Public Assistance Institution?
I have known this happen at other workhouses.
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Saturday 11 March 17 22:26 GMT (UK)
Yeah, thanks, I'd found that description online. What I want to know is whether the address used for the institution in 1945 is that on the death certificate. The property number doesn't exist on the 1939 Register, and the street was renamed after the 1911 census. Also, I was hoping to find some indication of the circumstances under which people would be admitted in the C20th pre-NHS, as my knowledge of the Poor Laws relates mainly to the C19th. Sorry for not being more specific. The Shropshire Archives website hints that there may be some admissions registers extant for that year, but I am too far away to be able to visit in person.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 11 March 17 23:42 GMT (UK)
Hi SW,

It may be worth opening a thread on 'Shropshire Lookup Requests' giving all known details as you may get lucky with someone going to the Archives?

Annie
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 11 March 17 23:44 GMT (UK)
Or, edit the heading to include 'Look-up' & ask a Mod to move to 'Look-up' board by using 'Report to Moderator' button on right side of thread.

Annie
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 00:04 GMT (UK)
Will copy-paste, as someone here may be able to give me the historical information about the address.

Thanks
Stitch
Title: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 00:15 GMT (UK)
This is the place of death given on my great-grandmother's death certificate in 1945, with her home address being in Monk Hopton, Bridgnorth. The cause of death was arteriosclerosis, and the informant states his/ her relationship as "occupier".

Am I correct in surmising that this is the Public Assistance Institution, formerly the Union Workhouse? What circumstances might have led to her being there, and are there any records extant for that year? Is there any way of finding out where she was/ might have been buried?

I've read what little information is on the Shropshire Archives website (and also had it quoted to me elsewhere). I'm hoping to find out something more definitive regarding the address and the Poor Laws as they stood/ were implemented in the 1940s.

If anyone can shed any light I would be extremely grateful. I am based in West Yorkshire and on a very limited income, so unfortunately field trips to Shropshire are pretty much out of the question for now.

Many thanks
Stitch
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 12 March 17 00:28 GMT (UK)
Link to 'Look-up Request' Board;

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767161.msg6192734

Annie
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Bookbox on Sunday 12 March 17 01:00 GMT (UK)
Yeah, thanks, I'd found that description online. What I want to know is whether the address used for the institution in 1945 is that on the death certificate.

Did you look at the Workhouse Addresses page?
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/addresses/w.shtml
Title: Re: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 12 March 17 01:50 GMT (UK)
Hi SW,

For anyone to do a look-up, you need to provide a name/date or yr of birth at least for 'Admissions Registers?

Annie
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 12 March 17 08:49 GMT (UK)
BB Many thanks for that!

In all the years I have been using www.workhouses.org.uk, I never noticed that page! :-\
Hence my convoluted reply ;D
Title: Re: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 09:56 GMT (UK)
Cheers, Annie, bookmarked for later today. This is *exactly* what I needed!

Many thanks
Stitch

Link to previous post, to save 'double trouble'..

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767146.new#new

Annie
Title: Re: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 10:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Annie

This indeed is true. Shows how knackered I was last night for such a schoolgirl error.

I'm researching Susannah Powell, born 1867 (but frequently claims to be younger) Brosely area. Marries Alfred Overton March 1914 and dies in Wellington workhouse 16/4/1945 claiming age 71.

Best
Stitch

Hi SW,

For anyone to do a look-up, you need to provide a name/date or yr of birth at least for 'Admissions Registers?

Annie
Title: Re: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 10:03 GMT (UK)
It is now confirmed that what the death entry has written as 18 1/2 (eighteen and a half), which I thought peculiar, is actually 181 - 2.  Gotta lurv bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 10:09 GMT (UK)
BB

You are a star! Thank you so much! That is a site which seems to have slipped under the radar, and not just mine either.

The 18 1/2 (quite clearly written as a fraction) on the death entry, which did strike me as peculiar, is, of course, 181 - 2 which makes far more sense.


This evening I will be reading far more thoroughly, starting with what they can tell me about the Poor Laws.

Best
Stitch

 
Yeah, thanks, I'd found that description online. What I want to know is whether the address used for the institution in 1945 is that on the death certificate.

Did you look at the Workhouse Addresses page?
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/addresses/w.shtml
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 12 March 17 10:19 GMT (UK)
BB

You are a star! Thank you so much! That is a site which seems to have slipped under the radar, and not just mine either.


Except that I mentioned the site on reply #2?!
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 10:26 GMT (UK)
Ummm yeah - while I was asleep! So sorry. I didn't mean to cause offence by acknowledging someone's help when I caught up with it. Perhaps I should make sure never to do it again - or maybe never to sleep or leave the computer for however long it takes to receive a useful reply. Which would you recommend, given all your experience?

Stitch.
BB

You are a star! Thank you so much! That is a site which seems to have slipped under the radar, and not just mine either.


Except that I mentioned the site on reply #2?!
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: youngtug on Sunday 12 March 17 10:32 GMT (UK)
A little earlier but interesting;
http://www.wellingtonla21.org.uk/discover/pdf/victorian.pdf
Title: Re: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 12 March 17 12:07 GMT (UK)
Hi SW,

Addresses with '' were not unheard of.

I have a couple;

139 Stewarton Street, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
75  Young St, Cambusnethan

but I have seen others.

Annie
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 21:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that :-)

A little earlier but interesting;
http://www.wellingtonla21.org.uk/discover/pdf/victorian.pdf
Title: Re: Address: "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Sunday 12 March 17 21:56 GMT (UK)
Yes, I've come across them here and there too, hence my not twigging sooner.

Hi SW,

Addresses with '' were not unheard of.

I have a couple;

139 Stewarton Street, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
75  Young St, Cambusnethan

but I have seen others.

Annie

Topics merged.
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 13 March 17 03:59 GMT (UK)
Ummm yeah - while I was asleep! So sorry. I didn't mean to cause offence by acknowledging someone's help when I caught up with it. Perhaps I should make sure never to do it again - or maybe never to sleep or leave the computer for however long it takes to receive a useful reply. Which would you recommend, given all your experience?

Mmm, Not an ideal reply to someone who was kindly helping you with a very good link  :-\

A long time member who is very knowledgeable & very helpful with over 19,000 posts helping others which takes time & effort.

KG's reply was the 1st i.e;
"That is a site which seems to have slipped under the radar, and not just mine either" is untrue.

Annie

Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: stitchwitch on Monday 13 March 17 15:23 GMT (UK)
What??

I read the replies to my question, and the thanked respondent(s) for some valuable help. What I then get is a nasty attitude that I hadn't acknowledged the help the minute it was posted - because I was asleep at the time! My apologies once more for being human and having to take time away from the computer. I have spent large parts of the last 84 hours in hospital (looking out for someone else, not on my own account, this time).

Yes I asked for clarity on an address too far away to just nip round and see for myself. No I am neither inexperienced nor a numpty. And FYI I was not the only person who hadn't found the Workhouses site before, as another respondent said themself.

I always appreciate help when it is given, and sometimes am able to reciprocate. However, please, if it's too much trouble, just leave me to it, don't inconvenience yourself. At the end of the day, while it's nice to be important it's more important to be nice. Nobody else has taken me to task so I can only assume that in this case the problem is yours.

I now suggest for the good of all that the topic is well and truly closed.
Title: Re: Address "18 1/2 Holyhead Road", Wellington c1945
Post by: theo marsh on Monday 01 May 17 18:20 BST (UK)
I was born and later adopted in 1946. My birth mother also had a boy in November 1943 at this actual address. I have a copy of his birth certificate but never met him and he passed away in 1986. I personally have no connection with the address but I suggest that in view of your comment that this address must have been a hospital. I haven't found any physical trace of the address and may consider contacting the local council for further assistance.