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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jacqueline cox on Thursday 16 March 17 18:55 GMT (UK)
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After more than a 3 week's wait to get a reply from Woodhorn, I now know that they have only one record I need that I can't see in Newcastle and since I live in Manchester it would be really helpful if someone could look up a licensing application for Morpeth for the only 2 years they have which interest me.
I want to know what there is about Walter Proudlock, my great grandfather, who was a publican in Morpeth when his son was born and died there the same day in 1874. He was a publican in Newcastle in 1873, so his first application may have been in that year - '73 and there is nothing else at Woodhorn after 1874 till much later. I should be really grateful if someone was willing to do that.
Jacqueline
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Did they give you an NRO reference?
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they gave me no reference, simply that there were licensing applications ending in 1874
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Too much to hope for ;D
I'll be there on Wednesday - will see what I can find out
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thank you so much, c-side.
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What information are you needing? I live less than 10 minutes from Woodhorn, pass it all the time.
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That's a kind offer but do you research there?
I ask because you will need to take ID and register for a readers card if you don't already have one.
Also parking is £3.50 :o :-X
Christine
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Thank you both for your offers.
I asked Woodhorn before 17th Feb but they didn't answer till earlier this week when I entered this post. Nor was it not a complete answer to my questions.
I need to find the length of time my great grandfather Walter Proudlock (b Fourlaws Ridsdale 1840, married Ann Mary Carlisle formerly Reed in Nov/ Dec 1871) lived in Morpeth in the 1870s and if possible, where. His son Walter was born and died on the same day, 2 June 1874 in New Phoenix Yard. Walter was an innkeeper - possibly, just guessing - The Phoenix. Walter had been in a pub, The Shakespeare I think, in N'castle until some time in 1873 and was paying rates on a beerhouse in Newcastle in 1877. He and Ann Mary split up some time in the '70s but he may have remained in his pub in Morpeth as well as running the beerhouse in N'castle. By 1881 census he was in Hewarth Gateshead where he stayed till his death.
Woodhorn has licensing applications for a few years up to 1874 (very lucky that the run goes to the year I need most) so that should tell me the name of his pub and if they have 1873 as well, when he applied there in 1873.
I asked if they have Poor Rate Rate Books for Morpeth for 1873 - 1880 but they did not reply about that but I would look at them back and after 1874 if they had them.
The do not have any useful directories.
I can't think of another source where I could narrow down his movements to 1873-1880 - so in answer to your question and so you know what i know already, that is what I need in Woodhorn.
thank you both again
Jacqueline
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Thanks for that, Jacqueline.
Julz - I'll be at Woodhorn on Wednesday - if you get there before that will you let me know please - no point in us doing it twice ;D
Christine
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Thanks, Christine and Julz. I'm grateful to you both and look forward to something by Wed/ Thurs.
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I don't research there myself so I don't have a readers card.
I wouldn't be there before Wednesday. I could go anytime but usually I'd still have to arrange around other things. This week is too busy though.
I hope you find more information out and please ask if there's anything else that I could help with.
Morpeth is only a few miles away from me aswell.
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Thanks Julz - so it's up to Christine now.
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I'll do my best ;)
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I’m afraid that I couldn’t find what you were looking for – not because he wasn’t there but because we couldn’t find the documents in question!
It’s many years since I last looked at licence applications so I asked at the desk which index they would be found in and no-one could locate them. We tried Quarter Sessions, Local Authority, the on-line catalogue and even the old index card system to no avail. They did eventually provide me with a list of Licence registers but only one was close in date – 1874 – 1899. I looked at it in the hope that there would be a reference to the transfer of the licence from Walter Proudlock to someone else but it appeared to relate to places in the north and west of the county – nothing for Morpeth or anywhere else in the south east corner. Thwarted again. :-\
I really need the NRO reference number so they can locate it in the store rooms.
I will have another go next week but I was wondering whether you had a name of the person who sent you the email so I can go direct to them. If you have could you please send me a pm with this information?
Christine
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Thank you so much for all your trouble and I'm sorry that it proved necessary. I'll check the message and get back to you, J
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It wasn't any trouble really - just frustrating. But it keeps me out of mischief ;)
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pm sent, (I hope). Isn't it easy to waste hours of one's life in archives?
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Very easy - but don't you just love it :D
pm received and answered