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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: Artsangelssheila on Saturday 18 March 17 00:22 GMT (UK)
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I'm hoping a new pair of eyes can find record of my gggrandparents wedding. Patrick Ruddin married Anne McEnroe in early 1870's. Their first child, Catherine, was born 10 Mar 1873. The 1901 census lists that they were both born in County Cavan. My gggrandfather was born in Cordingin and they lived on his farm after they were married. I have poured over the marriage registries, but can not find one for them. I have tried odd spelling and abbreviations...and still nothing. I did find a Pat Ruddin who married a Bridget McEnroe, but, the fathers names don't seem to match the children's naming pattern. (Grooms father was Mick, brides was Phil)The date of 8 Feb 1872 is right, the groom was from Cordingin and the bride was from Tunnyin? Thanks for your help! Sheila
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"....did find a Pat Ruddin who married a Bridget McEnroe, but, the fathers names don't seem to match the children's naming pattern...."
So what?? Could be correct one!!
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I realize that, but on every other document-census/children's birth registrations she is Anne...not Bridget.
Sheila
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And we thought that Patrick Ruddin fathers name was Matthew. And I thought Mick (as it's listed on the marriage registry that I did find) was a nickname for Michael..not Matthew.
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Marriage results for Anne McEnroe from 1868 to 1873
Displaying one result. irishgenealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=Anne&namel=McEnroe&location=&yyfrom=1868&yyto=1873&type=M&submit=Search
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Patrick Ruddin married Anne McEnroe in early 1870's. Their first child, Catherine, was born 10 Mar 1873. The 1901 census lists that they were both born in County Cavan. My gggrandfather was born in Cordingin and they lived on his farm after they were married. I have poured over the marriage registries, but can not find one for them. I have tried odd spelling and abbreviations...and still nothing. I did find a Pat Ruddin who married a Bridget McEnroe, but, the fathers names don't seem to match the children's naming pattern. (Grooms father was Mick, brides was Phil)The date of 8 Feb 1872 is right, the groom was from Cordingin and the bride was from Tunnyin?
Forget using any naming pattern to figure out names of grandparents, etc.
What do you mean by "The date of 8 Feb 1872 is right"? do you mean right as in it's before birth of first known child (1873) or do you have the marriage date from another sources such as family record?
Sometimes people used 2 names (first or middle for example) so it would be a good idea to check birth certificates for all the children to see if mother's name is the same each time.
I can't see them in 1901 census together but there is an Anne in Cordingin-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Larah_South/Cordingin/1048452/
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Hi Aghadowey,
Yes I just meant that the timeframe works before the birth of the first child. There were 10 children- Catherine, Matthew, Mary Ann, Bridget, Rose, Margaret, Patrick, Susan, James and Bernard -and I have looked at every registration. All list the Mom as Anne. That is her on the 1901 census. She is actually listed on the 1911 census as Susan. ??? Although the name Bridget does work as the 3rd girl being named after the mother.
And Hallmark, I saw that Oldcastle registration too, but, if I type in variations of Rudden I don't get a match.
So could Mick be a nickname for Matthew?
Thank you both for your help. Sheila
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I was looking at this earlier and got more and more confused. I was trying to find the children's baptisms, having found the same Anne in the 1901 Census and The birth of Rose and Catherine in the Civil Reg, I thought they would be in Laragh http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0847 but I couldn't find them.
There are no marriages for this parish and not great coverage for some of the surrounding parishes either.
Do you know which parish the children were baptised in?
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The 1911 census entry with Patrick's wife is a bit worrying- especially since Patrick signed the form. Also says married 41 years (so c1870)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Larah_South/Cordingin/345906/
There is a Patrick Rudden and Susan Clarkin having children, including a son Matthew in 1876-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGX5-H3V
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03042/2115453.pdf
Rose Ann in 1877-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG26-3YB
This is your Matthew's birth (1874)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03124/2145622.pdf
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Cordingin-
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/tullygarvey/larah/larah-south/cordingin/
and the parish-
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/larah/
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Finally think I found one
Not sure what the child's name is, maybe Bridget
Second last on the page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634883#page/11/mode/1up
There looks to be an earlier one but I though the mother was Mary on that.
Edited to add
Yes Bridget seems to fit, assuming she was registered about a month late
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02963/2085443.pdf
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Does look like Bridget :)
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This is the Mary looking one 1876, child Mary as well. 4th from the top
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634883#page/6/mode/1up
They did have a daughter Mary about the same time.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03042/2115460.pdf
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Sinann, Aghadowey and Hallmark,
Thank you so much for your help. Yes, that is definitely the record for both Matthew and Bridget, I don't believe the Mary is the right one. I have found mostly civil reg for the family, baptismal certs are def not easy to find. My great grandmother, Margaret Rudden, who immigrated to San Francisco, told my dad she was from Stradone. However, her birth registration was from Cootehill...although the parents are listed as living in Cordingin.
I am 99 percent certain the 1911 census is the correct one. I realize the name as Susan is wrong, but, the son living with them stayed on the farm..as did his son. And the names of the son's wife and children are all a match...Two came to California and I was able to trace them.
So, if I assume the marriage certificate I sent for that lists a Patt Ruddin marrying a Bridget McEnroe might be the correct one. And she is listed as being from Tullyvin, which RC parish would cover that area?
Thanks again. Sheila
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"....Margaret Rudden, who immigrated to San Francisco, told my dad she was from Stradone. However, her birth registration was from Cootehill..."
which is correct IF she was born Tullyvin!
It would be registered Cavan Town if she was born Stradone!
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Stuff from
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?m=4114&p=localities.britisles.ireland.cav.general&dc=50
Mary Anne Brady (my great aunt) who married Bernard Rudden was born in 1868. So they are possibly your Bernard, Tom, Matt and Jims parents......
have a family tree for the descendants of Thomas and Bernard, two brothers, from Cordegan, or Cordingin, Stradone, Laragh Parish, County Cavan. My great grandpa was Thomas, or Tommy the Tailor. You two folks are asking after his brother Barney's wife and their descendants - the latter with whom I was hanging out with in Ireland last week, and in San Francisco last night. The 1901 and 1911 census are online, so I can guess within a year or two of the birthyears based on reported age at a given year on the census. Barney was 54 on april 2, 1911 census, so he was born around 1857 or 56.
wife Maryann nee Brady was 43 same census. so she was born around 1868 or 1867, like you say Ann.
married 20 complete years on this census, so married around 1891. Here's the list of who is living in the household on the 1911 census, Residents of a house 2 in Cordingin (Larah South, Cavan):
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Rudden Bernard 54 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Rudden Mary Anne 43 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Rudden Mathew 19 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden James 14 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden Bernard 12 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden Thomas 10 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden Margret 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Rudden Michael 2 Male Son Roman Catholic .
So Bill, the Tommy Rudden you speak of I believe was listed here as the son of Bernard. Based on age 10 at census, he was born around 1901
Mary Ann (nee Brady) Rudden was my great great aunt, she was married to barney rudden, the brother of my great grandfather thomas rudden. Yes, she is bill's great grandmother. Bill and I are third cousins due to our great grand dads being brothers.
I find the use of grand and great confusing, unless i'm misunderstanding something. For example, bill and I are the same generation, yet when describing the relationship of Mary Anne Nee Brady Rudden to each of us, she was doubly great to me, as my great, great Aunt, yet earns just a single great to bill, as his great grandmother.
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Relation?? https://ie.bisnzz.com/profile/Damien-Rudden-Solicitors/0f60e4262e3af6f98d16f5d013b07176
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"....Did you stay in Stradone? My father was Patsy Brady from Kilcrone. Stradone was their nearest village.
We are also related to Ruddens. Did you see Aine's chocolate factory in Stradone? Her grandmother was a sister of my grandfather......."
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?m=4114&p=localities.britisles.ireland.cav.general&dc=50
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.9814142,-7.236445,3a,75y,88.48h,80.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHVeIUzQdvi6Pme42L6CA4Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1 with Solicitor's Office adjoined!!
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hello,
Patsy Smith here in Oakland, California, US, born 1963. I just found this thread and joined RootsChat. My grandparents all emigrated from County Cavan to the US in the early 1900s. Smiths/Smyths, Ruddens, Brady, Dalys. Cordingen/Cordegan, Drumnaveigh, Stradone, Laragh parish. I'm in touch with many cousins and surviving aunts and uncles who stayed in Ireland, and also those who came to the States. Someone on this thread previously posted comments they found from rootsweb.
Some of those comments that were posted were actually mine:
"I have a family tree for the descendants of Thomas and Bernard, two brothers, from Cordegan, or Cordingin, Stradone, Laragh Parish, County Cavan. My great grandpa was Thomas, or Tommy the Tailor. You two folks are asking after his brother Barney's wife and their descendants - the latter with whom I was hanging out with in Ireland last week, and in San Francisco last night. The 1901 and 1911 census are online, so I can guess within a year or two of the birthyears based on reported age at a given year on the census. Barney was 54 on april 2, 1911 census, so he was born around 1857 or 56.
wife Maryann nee Brady was 43 same census. so she was born around 1868 or 1867, like you say Ann.
married 20 complete years on this census, so married around 1891. Here's the list of who is living in the household on the 1911 census, Residents of a house 2 in Cordingin (Larah South, Cavan):
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Rudden Bernard 54 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Rudden Mary Anne 43 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Rudden Mathew 19 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden James 14 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden Bernard 12 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden Thomas 10 Male Son Roman Catholic
Rudden Margret 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Rudden Michael 2 Male Son Roman Catholic .
So Bill, the Tommy Rudden you speak of I believe was listed here as the son of Bernard. Based on age 10 at census, he was born around 1901
Mary Ann (nee Brady) Rudden was my great great aunt, she was married to barney rudden, the brother of my great grandfather thomas rudden. Yes, she is bill's great grandmother. Bill and I are third cousins due to our great grand dads being brothers.
I find the use of grand and great confusing, unless i'm misunderstanding something. For example, bill and I are the same generation, yet when describing the relationship of Mary Anne Nee Brady Rudden to each of us, she was doubly great to me, as my great, great Aunt, yet earns just a single great to bill, as his great grandmother."