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Title: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: MattB on Tuesday 28 March 17 09:54 BST (UK)
Hello,

Can anyone help me with Hester Matilda Dupres please?

Censuses and other records suggest that she was born in Cardigan around 1827/8 and died in 1894.

Hester had one son, Henry, born 1850, who appears to be illegitimate.

Matilda always gave her place of birth as Cardigan and in 1851, the only time she was living outside of Wales, gave her profession as Professor of Piano.

Grateful for any help on tracing her birth

Matt

Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 10:34 BST (UK)
the 1861 census shows her as a widow and son Henry born in France. Do you have any details from his birth?

The only Hester Matilda in the parish records is Hester Matilda Mitchell bp 18 Feb 1825 daughter of Thomas, draper, & Matilda.
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 28 March 17 10:46 BST (UK)
Birth registered in Marylebone Mar 1850

Henri Dupres no mothers maiden name

Marylebone down as place of birth in 1851

Hester also down as widow in 1851

Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 10:49 BST (UK)
ok, looks like birth in France could be a fiction. 1851 census shows Henry born in Marylebone and there's a baptism 26 July 1850 for Henry Dupres son of Henry Haywarden Fazarkerley & Hester Mitchell birth noted as 27 December 1849.

So, baptism for Hester looks correct.

 
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 10:54 BST (UK)
1841 census Hester Mitchell not with family in Llandygwidd HO107/1377/12 folio 11 pg 15

Burial for possible father in Llangoedmor 6 June 1846 Thomas Mitchell 47  of Cardigan
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 11:03 BST (UK)
burial of Matilda Mitchell of Cardigan also in Llangoedmor 8 April 1881 aged 80

1851 census Bryntirion, St Dogmael's HO107/2481 folio 412 pg 15
Thomas George head mar 54 solicitor b. Cilgerran, Pembs
Rosalind wife 52 b. West Ham, Essex
Mary Pryse Wagner sister-in-law unm 65 b. West Ham
Matilda Mitchell niece widow 50 b. West Ham
Ann Mitchell visitor 18 b. Cardigan
+ 2 servants
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: MattB on Tuesday 28 March 17 11:13 BST (UK)
ok, looks like birth in France could be a fiction. 1851 census shows Henry born in Marylebone and there's a baptism 26 July 1850 for Henry Dupres son of Henry Haywarden Fazarkerley & Hester Mitchell birth noted as 27 December 1849.

So, baptism for Hester looks correct.

Thank you SO much for this Osprey, incredibly generous and helpful.

Please can you just let me know the reference for the baptism as I can't see that?

Many thanks again.

Matt
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 11:19 BST (UK)
1861 Manareifed, Llandygwydd RGP/4178 folio 50 pg 6 - same address as Hester in 1841
Thomas R P Wagner head widower 62 Gentleman b. West Ham
Eliza A Martin sister in law 65 fundholder b. Crawley, Surrey
Matilda Mitchell sister 60 b. Wallington ? Surrey
+ 2 servants

1871 5 North Gate Terrace, Cardigan RG10/5541 folio 117 pg 19
Rosalind George head widow 72 lady b. West Ham
Matilda Mitchell sister widow 70 lady b. West Ham
Henry Duprès nephew 22 mariner b. Norwood, Surrey

* baptism is London Metropolitan Archives records indexed as Dupris
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 11:39 BST (UK)
FreeReg has the marriage 16 Aug 1823 in Llangoedmor of Matilda Wagner otp & Thomas Mitchell of St Mary's Cardigan. In the same parish there are burials of possible parents for Matilda

John F Wagner buried 8 Jan 1830 aged 79
Martha Wagner buried 26 jan 1844 aged 87

Another sister Harriet Wagner married widower Joseph Moore 8 Sep 1829 in Cardigan, Thomas Mitchell was one of the witnesses.
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: MattB on Tuesday 28 March 17 11:42 BST (UK)
Thanks again!

This is opening up more questions: I wonder where Dupris came from? It looks like Henry H died soon after and he acknowledged the birth despite Henry being illegitimate.

Thanks for opening up more lines of research!
Title: Re: Hester Matilda DUPRES, Cardigan 1827/8
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 28 March 17 14:01 BST (UK)
the Dupris is a transcription error. The Duprès possibly an invention to cover up lack of marriage.