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Title: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 12:08 BST (UK)
Can anyone help, my grandmother who was Agnes O'Donnell was borne in Dublin ( we think) in 1889 she had a sister called sue it's a long shot but this is all the info we have except we think the family moved to Scotland while she was young
Many thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: hallmark on Monday 03 April 17 14:44 BST (UK)
 Birth results for Agnes ODonnell from 1885 to 1890

Displaying results 1 - 6 of 6. irishgenealogy

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jv0/   No sign of any in Louth
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 15:05 BST (UK)
Great thanks is there any way I could find out if and when they moved to Scotland
Many thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: hallmark on Monday 03 April 17 15:06 BST (UK)
Great thanks is there any way I could find out if and when they moved to Scotland
Many thanks
Travel wasn't documented then...
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: hallmark on Monday 03 April 17 15:11 BST (UK)
You could check the 12 Unknown ones.....  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jv1/

It only means 1st name wasn't on Index!!
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 16:29 BST (UK)
Do you have her marriage cert to know who her father was?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 16:35 BST (UK)
I will try and find out
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: hallmark on Monday 03 April 17 16:45 BST (UK)
What do you know??
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 16:51 BST (UK)
Her name was Agnes O'Donnell she was born in 1889 we think in Ireland,
She married my grandfather in 1915 and it says she was divorced
She had a sister called susan who we think was younger
My grandfather was John george leslie. He was from Shetland and it says he was illegitimate
We believe they married in Glasgow where they had six children then moved to bristol and had another two
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 17:04 BST (UK)
She married my grandfather in 1915 and it says she was divorced
When you say 'it' do you mean family stories?

She had a sister called susan who we think was younger
Have you found Susan on any censuses to say where she was born? Eg 1901 Ireland census or 1911 Scotland census? Have you found Agnes in 1911 - in Ireland or Scotland? Scotland censuses from ScotlandsPeople or transcription on ancestry.

We believe they married in Glasgow where they had six children then moved to bristol and had another two
It would, as others have suggested, be extremely useful to obtain her marriage certificate. If the marriage was in Scotland, the only place to obtain the certificate will be via the ScotlandsPeople website. Have you found them on the English 1939 register on findmypast if they were in Bristol [sorry but terms & conditions mean we cannot look on the 1939 register for you]? This will give the exact birthdates of John & Agnes. 
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 17:17 BST (UK)
Sorry it's my Bristolian slang, it says, means that was on marriage cert

No we've not found Agnes on any census Irish or Scottish, but we've not looked for susan yet
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 17:18 BST (UK)
There are two births in Bristol, 1929 and 1931 for Leslie/O'Donnell parents.

Thus would indicate a maiden name if O'Donnell, so what name did she have on marriage?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 17:22 BST (UK)
on marriage cert
What is her father's name on marriage certificate?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 17:23 BST (UK)
That sounds like my father who was born in 1929 and his youngest brother born in 1931. Her maiden name would have been O'Donnell and married name leslie
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 17:28 BST (UK)
If the family were still in Ireland, there are only 10 Susan O'Donnells under the age of 10 on the 1901 Ireland census [free to search & download at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie. 1 in Co Clare, 6 in Co Donegal, 1 in Co Leitrim & 1 in Co Londonderry. You could open each page & see if there is an 11 year old Agnes as well also if father's name is as on Agnes' marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 17:29 BST (UK)
Yes I understand that so presumably she married as O'Donnell and not with the surname from her previous marriage.
As Josey asked, what was her father's name and do the witness names give any clues?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 17:31 BST (UK)
Thanks josey, I'm not sure how to use pm to send you anything as this is all new to me
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 17:33 BST (UK)
Is this your grandfather in 1938 living in Bristol?

Taken from the Kelly's directory.

Name:    John George Leslie
Publication Year:    1938
260 Wick rd Brislington Bristol, Gloucestershire,
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 17:35 BST (UK)
Does this sound like him in 1901?

Name:    John George Leslie
Age:    17
Estimated birth year:    abt 1884
Relationship:    Stepson
Mother's name:    Joan Kerrigan
Gender:    Male
Where born:    Shetland
Registration Number:    644/4
Registration district:    Calton
Civil Parish:    Glasgow St James
County:    Lanarkshire
Address:    169 Gt Hamilton St
Occupation:    Box Maker's Apprentice
ED:    19
Household schedule number:    35
LINE:    14

Name    Age
John Kerrigan    42
Joan Kerrigan    40
John George Leslie    17
Mary Ann Jane Kerrigan    6
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 17:38 BST (UK)
Yes living at that address
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 17:41 BST (UK)
It looks as though it is- he is in 1891 census with grandmother Jane Leslie and her daughter Joan.

I am hoping that Oranges can post Agnes's details from the marriage.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 17:44 BST (UK)
I've asked my sister to send me copy of marriage cert
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 17:49 BST (UK)
Her death?

Name:    Agnes Leslie
Birth Date:    abt 1889
Date of Registration:    Mar 1965
Age at Death:    76
Registration district:    Bristol
Inferred County:    Gloucestershire
Volume:    7b
Page:    293
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 17:49 BST (UK)
OK we look forward to hearing what's on marriage cert - father's name & witnesses....
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 17:51 BST (UK)
That's her just trying to find out and prove where she was born
Many thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 18:02 BST (UK)
That's her just trying to find out and prove where she was born
Many thanks

Will your sister be emailing you the cert or posting it to you?

I might have some Scotland's people credits to spare to save time.

Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 18:26 BST (UK)
I think she will be posting it when I get hold of her
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 19:04 BST (UK)
I did spend 6 credits to download the cert from Scotlands People.
It does indeed say that Agnes is divorced?

I have snipped the relevant section and hopefully it will help us to find her parents and her birth.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 19:18 BST (UK)
That's great thanks  so her father my great grandfather was Arthur and her mother looks like it could be Annie?
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 19:29 BST (UK)
Is this them in 1891?? 10 Dalmarnock Rd, Bridgeton
Arthur O'Donnell   47 b Ireland
Ann O'Donnell   46 b do
Mary O'Donnell   19 b do
Francis O'Donnell   15 b Glasgow
Maggie O'Donnell   13 b do
Patrick O'Donnell   11 b do
Annie O'Donnell   8 b do
Bridget O'Donnell   5 b do
Agnes O'Donnell   3 b do
Parish: Glasgow Barony; ED: 5; Page: 19; Line: 23
so THIS Arthur, Ann & Mary came to Glasgow between 1871 & 1875.
This is the transcription only, credits needed on SP for full image.

ADDED: Only Mary O'Donnell I can find on rootsireland is

Name:   Mary A McDonnell   Date of Birth:   
 Date of Baptism:   31-Dec-1870
Address:      Parish/District:   UPR CREGGAN
Gender:   Unknown   County   ARMAGH
Denomination:   Roman Catholic
Father:   Arthur McDonnell   Mother:   Cath Quinn         
Sponsor 1 /Owen McMahon
Sponsor 2 /Rose Quinn
#

No O'Donnell/Slavin marriage found. EDIT : Found later by heywood reply #33 in Donegal in Jun 1871 - in my defence I was only looking up to 1870, as I thought that was when Mary [age 19 in 1891 was born]  ;)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 19:51 BST (UK)
SP free index shows a Bridget O'Donnell born Bridgeton in 1885 & an Agnes in Bridgeton in 1887 .

ADDED: Death of an Arthur O'Donnell aged 0 in 1903 in Bridgeton.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 20:06 BST (UK)
Possibly I will need to dig a bit deeper, I was hoping she was born in Ireland but am I right in thinking it was Glasgow?

Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 20:21 BST (UK)
That's very kind of you Carol  :)

Good work from you and Josey.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 20:26 BST (UK)
Possible marriage:

1871 Donegal vol 7 pg 55

Arthur O'Donnell and Anne Slevin are on the same page.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 20:31 BST (UK)
That's great thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 20:36 BST (UK)
Here is the marriage - right hand page

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632797#page/83/mode/1up

11th June 1871

It is in Latin but you can see their names - looks as though there was a dispensation of Banns and I can only make out one witness name - Michael Gallagher

The civil record would give more information
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Monday 03 April 17 20:54 BST (UK)
I'm going to have to study it as it's not very clear is it Donegal
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Monday 03 April 17 21:05 BST (UK)
Yes, it's the parish of Carn, diocese of Clogher.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Monday 03 April 17 22:26 BST (UK)
From rootsireland [I took out a month's subscription a week ago, how useful!!]
Civil marriage record
Date of Marriage:   11-Jun-1871       
Parish / District:   PETTIGO      County:   Co. Donegal
Husband                                      Wife
Name:   Arthur   O Donnell      Anne   Slevin
Address:   Fincastle                      Fincastle
Denomination:   Civil Record      Civil Record
Occupation:   LABOURER      SPINSTER
Age:                   26                      20
Status:         
Husband's Father              Wife's Father
Name:   John   O Donnell      Edward   Slevin
Occupation:   FARMER      FARMER

Witness 1                                      Witness 2
Name:   Michael   Gallagher      Hugh   Magrath

ADDED: perhaps get Bookbox, arthurk or horselydown along to translate the latin exactly? Or as heywood says, it refers to dispensation of banns; Mary can't have been far away  ;D
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 03 April 17 22:45 BST (UK)
That's very kind of you Carol  :)

Good work from you and Josey.

It only cost just over a £1,not much in the scheme of things and it helped enormously,by what I'm reading here now.Well done guys and gals  ;D

The only thing that I did not mention when I posted the cropped image was that Agnes was a yarn factory worker.

Carol
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 07:00 BST (UK)
That's great
Thanks very much
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 08:36 BST (UK)
Hi josey that's great but we can't find evidence of Agnes birth either in Ireland or Scotland any ideas on where I can try

Many thanks for your efforts it's very much appreciated
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 09:04 BST (UK)
Oranges,do you know if this Sue (Susan) sister of Agnes was older or younger than her.
What happened to her,did she remain in Glasgow,marry,or stay single.
Do you know when/where she died?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 09:08 BST (UK)
She was younger, and I believe she stayed in Glasgow, it has been passed down that she had six sons so I assume she was married if that's correct, but now there appears to be a step sister on my grandfathers side it may well be she was the one with six sons.

Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 09:14 BST (UK)
1881 transcription Address:   35 Boden St. Bridgeton; Parish: Glasgow Barony; ED: 86; Page: 9; Line: 21

Arthur O Donnell   37 Brick Layers Labourer
Ann O Donnell   34 b Ireland
John O Donnell   9 b do
May O Donnell   8 b do
Francis O Donnell   5 b Glasgow
Margaret O Donnell   3 b Glasgow
Patrick O Donnell   6 Mo b Glasgow

so the family were in Bridgeton at least from 1881 - 1891. I already found Bridget 1885 Bridgeton & Agnes 1887 Bridgeton see reply #30. Suggest Oranges looks on SP free index for registrations of Francis ca 1875, Margaret [Maggie] ca 1877, Patrick ca 1879, Ann ca 1882 to check that the family registered all their births.

Although Agnes gives her age as being born in 1889, I suspect the 1887 Agnes is her & it would be worth getting this birth certificate to confirm or eliminate.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 09:24 BST (UK)
Thanks very much
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 09:37 BST (UK)
Hi josey it seems strange if they married aged 26&20 why they had their first child in 1889 maybe they were Agnes grandparents? Do you think that's possible
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 04 April 17 09:54 BST (UK)
Hi again,

See reply #29. They had their first child Mary about 1872.

Heywood
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 10:34 BST (UK)
Hi Girls, I know that Josey found the death of an Arthur O'Donnell age 0 yesterday,but can anyone find dad Arthur's death,which occured before Agnes married in 1915,and if she was divorced who and where did she marry the first time?

And when did mum Ann(Annie) die,not found her either.

Carol
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 12:30 BST (UK)
There is another Arthur O'Donnell family in Paisley
1901 7 Cochran St;  Paisley; ED: 87; Page: 16; Line: 12;
Arthur O'Donnell   53 conectioner
Mary O'Donnell   52
Mary O'Donnell   25
Hugh O'Donnell   24
Nellie O'Donnell   24
Arthur O'Donnell   19
Bridget O'Donnell   17 b Bridge of Weir [which is near Paisley]
Agnes O'Donnell   15
note this family have both a Bridget & an Agnes about same ages as Arthur & Annie.

One of the Bridgets went to the USA in 1907:
Name:   Bridget Odonnell
Gender:   Female
Age:   22
Nationality:   Scottish
Birth Date:   abt 1885
Birth Place:   Glasgow, Scotland
Departure Place:   Glasgow Scotland via Moville Ireland, Scotland via Moville Ireland
Arrival Date:   14 Oct 1907
Arrival Place:   Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence:   Scotland
Friend:   Mc Connell
Ship:   Laurentian
She was single, a domestic, gives mother as Mrs O'Donnell 7 Springvale Place, Glasgow, going to Boston, Mass. Can find no Springvale Place in Glasow [there is one in Saltcoats & a Springvale Terrace in Springburn]. 

EDIT:
Ah no, she's from this family
1901 7 Springvale Place, Springburn  Glasgow Springburn; ED: 81; Page: 11; Line: 24
James O'Donnell   40
Helen O'Donnell   46
James O'Donnell   18
Susan O'Donnell   16
Bridget O'Donnell   15
Helen O'Donnell   7
John Gallacher   18
Joseph Armes   20
John Mccallum   35
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 12:34 BST (UK)
Agnes's dad Arthur was supposedly a deceased labourer by the time she married in 1915.
Not sure a confectioner fits the bill  8)

They married from 17 Washington Street Glasgow,is there anything we can glean from that address?

Carol
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 12:36 BST (UK)
Agnes's dad Arthur was supposedly a deceased labourer by the time she married in 1915.
Not sure a confectioner fits the bill  8)
I was just pointing out the family [to add to the confusion  ;D ;D] and felt the occupation ruled them out. 

ADDED: Have looked on NRS site http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk for a divorce 1905 - 1915 but none found; as Scottish custom is to call a married woman 'Mrs Forename Maiden Name or Married name' you can search with Agnes + ODonnell [can't use apostrophe is search field].
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 12:49 BST (UK)
They married from 17 Washington Street Glasgow,is there anything we can glean from that address?
It's in Anderston, may have been an accommodation address?

I see that no siblings were witnesses at the marriage....

ADDED: In 1901 Bridget may be living with married sister Annie
Glasgow Bridgeton; ED: 55; Page: 7; Line: 25; 5 Queen Mary St Bridgeton
John Moreland   21 gen lab b
Annie Moreland   18 wife b Glasgow
Bridget Odonnell   16 s-i-law cloth weaver b Glasgow
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Tuesday 04 April 17 12:53 BST (UK)
Is this them in 1891?? 10 Dalmarnock Rd, Bridgeton
Arthur O'Donnell   47 b Ireland
Ann O'Donnell   46 b do
Mary O'Donnell   19 b do
Francis O'Donnell   15 b Glasgow
Maggie O'Donnell   13 b do
Patrick O'Donnell   11 b do
Annie O'Donnell   8 b do
Bridget O'Donnell   5 b do
Agnes O'Donnell   3 b do
Parish: Glasgow Barony; ED: 5; Page: 19; Line: 23
so THIS Arthur, Ann & Mary came to Glasgow between 1871 & 1875.
This is the transcription only, credits needed on SP for full image.

Mary O Donnell born Mar 31 1873 Cottage Donegal LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03197/2172203.pdf) #420
Father Arthur O Donnell and Mother Anne Sleavin

This family have an Annie age 8 listed - I have come across Susan as Susanna/Anna/Annie
just to keep in mind!


Edited to add

This couple also had a son John on Sept 23 1871 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03285/2203818.pdf) #123
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 13:06 BST (UK)
Ah, good find, so Mary's age a bit out in 1891 as well...no wonder I couldn't find her. So family came to Scotland 1873 - 1875.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 13:13 BST (UK)
And when did mum Ann(Annie) die,not found her either.
There's an Anderston death in 1911  ??? about the right age [Arthur & Annie both born ca 1845]
O'DONNELL
ANNIE
62
1911
644/11 519
Anderston


And this'll be Paisley confectioner Arthur probably
O'DONNELL
ARTHUR
69
1903
559/B 32
Bridge Of Weir
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Tuesday 04 April 17 13:23 BST (UK)
Susan O'Donnell b. Dec 27 1891 to Arthur O'DONNELL & Anne SLAVEN LINK (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTFS-CBL)

The family are at 35 Boden St, Lanark in 1881
Arthur O'DONNELL 37 b Ireland
Ann O'DONNELL 34 b do
John O'DONNELL 9 b do
May O'DONNELL 6 b do
Francis O'DONNELL 5 b Glasgow
Margaret O'DONNELL 3 b do
Patrick O'DONNELL 6m b do
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 13:25 BST (UK)
Brilliant. Yes, I'd found that 1881 before see reply #44. Where is Susan in 1901 then

ADDED: NOT 24 Clyde St Anderston  Glasgow St Mark; ED: 3; Page: 33; Line: 15;
Susan Odonnell   46
Charles Odonnell   22
Francis Odonnell   20
Patrick Odonnell   17
Susan Odonnell   15 book folder
Lizzie Odonnell   10
as in 1891 this family is here
Daniel ODonnell   35
Susan ODonnell   33
Charles ODonnell   12
Francis ODonnell   10
Patk ODonnell   7
Susanna ODonnell   5
Elizabeth ODonnell   9 Mo
Glasgow Barony; ED: 11; Page: 7; Line: 4;
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Tuesday 04 April 17 13:31 BST (UK)
Sorry I missed the 1881 census josey
It does look like this is the correct family

Will look more for Susan...

edited to add
1901 8 Bell St, Lanark; Parish: Glasgow Bridgeton
Ann ODonnell 40
Agnes Odonnel 16
Susan Odonnel 6
There is no image available to see if Ann is described as a widow


Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 13:34 BST (UK)
Have added abit above about a family she's NOT  ;D.

Off to pilates now, be back later.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 14:39 BST (UK)

1901 8 Bell St, Lanark; Parish: Glasgow Bridgeton
Ann ODonnell 40
Agnes Odonnel 16
Susan Odonnel 6
There is no image available to see if Ann is described as a widow

Agnes is a cotton spinner here.Mum is a washer woman.

Name:    Susan O'Donnell
Gender:    Female
Birth Date:    27 Dec 1891
Birth Place:    Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father:    Arthur O'Donnell
Mother:    Ann Slaven O'Donnell
FHL Film Number:    255138
Reference ID:    p414
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 14:40 BST (UK)
Well found so far My Luck I think we're doing quite well between us  ;D
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 14:48 BST (UK)
Getting near I think, it's strange but there doesn't appear birth Certs for Agnes either Irish or scottish
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 04 April 17 15:40 BST (UK)
Well done everyone -great research.  ;)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Tuesday 04 April 17 15:55 BST (UK)
Well found so far My Luck I think we're doing quite well between us  ;D
Seem to be!   ;)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 16:54 BST (UK)
Getting near I think, it's strange but there doesn't appear birth Certs for Agnes either Irish or scottish
Thanks

Isn't this her? You'd need to get some credits on Scotlands people to check the actual image though.

O'DONNELL
   
AGNES
   
Female Birth
   
1887
   
644/1 1613
   
Bridgeton
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 16:59 BST (UK)
Yes, I've said for a while I think it is her reply #44  ;). Tempted to spend my pension on some credits  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:02 BST (UK)
That's great how do I go about getting some credits? Is this birth cert?
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:08 BST (UK)
That's great how do I go about getting some credits? Is this birth cert?
Thanks

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:09 BST (UK)
YOU need to register with ScotlandsPeople
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
and follow links to 'Buy Credits'
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/buy-credits
It is not the case that the more you buy, the better value you get
30 = £7.50
40 = £10
80 = £20
160 = £40
Birth certificate will cost you 6 credits - £1.50

SNAP Carol, must learn to type faster.. :o
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:10 BST (UK)
I cheated Josey and just copied and pasted the website link  ;D
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:11 BST (UK)
Thanks  a lot I will let you know
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:18 BST (UK)
What a shame that every census we've found just says that the parents came from Ireland and not an actual town or district.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:21 BST (UK)
 ??? ??? There's an Anderston marriage for a Susan O'Donnell in 1921
O'DONNELL
SUSAN
1921
644/11 204
204
Anderston
& a Calton marriage in 1926
O'DONNELL
SUSAN
1926
644/3 518
518
Calton (Glasgow)

What a shame that every census we've found just says that the parents came from Ireland and not an actual town or district.
Indeed but have we seen any of the originals? Or just ancestry transcriptions? Actual place may not have been transcribed [she said hopefully....]
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:22 BST (UK)
Yes, I've said for a while I think it is her reply #44  ;). Tempted to spend my pension on some credits  ;D ;D

Sorry Josey so you did (reply 45) it's moved so fast I can't remember back that far  ::)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:27 BST (UK)
??? ??? There's an Anderston marriage for a Susan O'Donnell in 1921
O'DONNELL
SUSAN
1921
644/11 204
204
Anderston
& a Calton marriage in 1926
O'DONNELL
SUSAN
1926
644/3 518
518
Calton (Glasgow)

What a shame that every census we've found just says that the parents came from Ireland and not an actual town or district.
Indeed but have we seen any of the originals? Or just ancestry transcriptions? Actual place may not have been transcribed [she said hopefully....]

Ah that's a point,no I think they've only been freebies and no one has spare credits for the actual census images. Over to you Oranges  ;D
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:29 BST (UK)
I'll look into that also
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:29 BST (UK)
For the back burner only Arthur father John on rootsireland is

Name:   Arthur Donnell   Date of Birth:   
Date of Baptism:   08-May-1842
Address:   Thomastown   Parish/District:   KILFINNANE
Gender:   Unknown   County   Co. Limerick
Denomination:   Roman Catholic
Father:   John Donnell   Mother:   Hanora Dawson
Sponsor 1:   Carol McCarthy
Sponsor 2:   Kate Condon

ADDED: And so far not found any Ann/Annie/Anna Sle[a]vin 1845 +-5 with father Edward....

I'll look into that also
Bated breath is an understatement....

Sorry Josey so you did (reply 45) it's moved so fast I can't remember back that far  ::)
No worries  ;D ;D it's usually me who loses the plot...
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:51 BST (UK)
I can't keep up here  :) what happened to Donegal as a place of origin?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:56 BST (UK)
I can't keep up here  :) what happened to Donegal as a place of origin?

I can't remember us even finding a clue as to where they came from Ireland?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 17:59 BST (UK)
I just couldn't find any Arthur O'Donnell/McDonell/Donnells with father John baptised in Donegal 1845 +-5 yrs :(

Donegal was certainly the marriage county.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 04 April 17 18:07 BST (UK)
More back burner - might have a fire soon  ;)

The informant on Mary's birth was Annie Slevin, Ardnagesson, Donegal.
Will of Annie Slevin, Ardnagesson http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014919/005014919_00739.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Tullynaught/Ardnagassen/1169540/

There is a daughter Susan. I wonder if this is Annie Slevin O'Donnell's family  :-\
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 04 April 17 18:16 BST (UK)

Thanks everyone for your help, it seems definite that Agnes was born in 1887 in Glasgow you've all been a great help

Thank you
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Tuesday 04 April 17 22:33 BST (UK)
It's very likely but it can't be definite till you have seen the birth certificate or a baptism :)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 05 April 17 09:04 BST (UK)
Thanks we're hoping to get that quite soon, if she was divorced how do I find out who she was married to and if there were any children
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 05 April 17 09:09 BST (UK)
Thanks we're hoping to get that quite soon, if she was divorced how do I find out who she was married to and if there were any children

One step at a time Oranges  8)

The birth cert will be available immediately you pay for your credits and search on Scotlands People.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Wednesday 05 April 17 10:26 BST (UK)
Thanks we're hoping to get that quite soon, if she was divorced how do I find out who she was married to and if there were any children

Just for searching

Details to date indicate that Agnes O'DONNELL was born c1887/9
Possibly on December 19th
and in Scotland

If the 1901 census return is correct she was shown as 16 (bc1885)
If there were discrepancies around her birth her first marriage could be as early as 1901 as a minor,
however more reasonably from 1905 (actual age 18 from assumed civil records found)

Marraige most likely between 1904 and 1911 as not obvious on census as Agnes O'DONNELL
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Wednesday 05 April 17 10:47 BST (UK)
if she was divorced how do I find out who she was married to and if there were any children
See reply #51 for searches I made (which were negative) on National Records of Scotland for divorce proceedings 1906 - 1915; these I presume are not complete. I also looked on findmypast at Scottish newspaper reports but nothing there either.

Thread is getting quite long for an old 'un like me to remember all that's been found  ::)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 05 April 17 12:01 BST (UK)
Thanks I know that feeling well
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 05 April 17 17:05 BST (UK)
Like to say thanks to myluck! I sent pm but not sure if it was sent
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Wednesday 05 April 17 17:16 BST (UK)
PM received with no message but presumed the sentiment!!  ;)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 05 April 17 17:46 BST (UK)
So do you actually have Agnes's birth cert now Oranges,and is it the right one?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 05 April 17 17:59 BST (UK)
My sister just sent it to me although it's difficult to read it says born 1887, born in Scotland I was hoping Ireland but its become addictive and uncovered a lot of things we never new, I.e. It looks like there were other siblings and we thought it was just sue quite fascinating never having done it before but we're really grateful for everyone's help, just got to uncover the rest now
Many thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 05 April 17 18:07 BST (UK)
Are her parents Arthur and Ann Slevin so that all the information given to you here fits?
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 05 April 17 18:09 BST (UK)
Yes everything ties in
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 05 April 17 18:15 BST (UK)
That's great!
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Wednesday 05 April 17 20:09 BST (UK)
but its become addictive and uncovered a lot of things we never knew,
Welcome to the world of family history  ;D ;D. Just make sure you never jump to conclusions & prove everything.
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Thursday 06 April 17 12:48 BST (UK)
Of course I'll bear that in mind.

My wife's mother was born in ballinasloe county Galway newton beechill,woodlawns she was the youngest child of we think 10or 13 born June 1926, she had a child which she had to have adopted /fostered we think around 1940 to possibly 1947 my mother in laws name was Rita Hawkins

Can anybody shed any light on this the baby's father? I.e. The baby was also Rita

Many thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: josey on Thursday 06 April 17 13:06 BST (UK)
I would say it's almost impossible.

Your wife's mother may not have disclosed the identity of the father to anybody, even any authorities. The only way I can think of progressing this sort of query, in the absence of any information left in a will or some document by you wife's deceased mother, would be to try to contact the either the home where the baby was born or the local social services department. However information about an adoption or fostering may be subject to data protection and only available to the child herself. I do not know what laws cover this legal area in Ireland. 
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Thursday 06 April 17 13:23 BST (UK)
Thanks we'll keep trying
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 06 April 17 15:55 BST (UK)
Of course I'll bear that in mind.

My wife's mother was born in ballinasloe county Galway newton beechill,woodlawns she was the youngest child of we think 10or 13 born June 1926, she had a child which she had to have adopted /fostered we think around 1940 to possibly 1947 my mother in laws name was Rita Hawkins

Can anybody shed any light on this the baby's father? I.e. The baby was also Rita

Many thanks

Not to confuse things I am going to answer this on the other connected topic
LINK (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768758.18)
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Thursday 06 April 17 16:13 BST (UK)
Thanks myluc! I tried answering pm but not sure if you received or I'm not sure if I'm doing it correctly
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Thursday 06 April 17 17:14 BST (UK)
I'm sorry myluck! I can't seem to reply on pm
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 06 April 17 20:13 BST (UK)
I got your reply thx
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Friday 05 January 18 15:50 GMT (UK)
Hi I posted some questions going back some time which were kindly answered, now I'm trying to find out if my great great grandfather and mother John O'Donnell and hanora Dawson had any more children than my great grandfather who is Arthur O'Donnell and he was baptised in Thomas town kilifanne co limerick in 1842 I asumme he had siblings

Thanks oranges
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 05 June 18 19:18 BST (UK)
Hi I'm looking for Edward Slevin who married Annie Thomas, i think they lived in Donegal as their daughter my great grandmother Anne married my great grandfather Arthur O'Donnell in pettigo in 1871 Arthur and Anne moved to Glasgow around 1874 with daughter Mary

Any help greatly welcome
Regards oranges
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 05 June 18 20:12 BST (UK)
Why not include a Link to what you are referring to?

Saves others searching for record to see what is on it.


https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11343/8163752.pdf
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Tuesday 05 June 18 20:15 BST (UK)
Hi I don't know how to or what to link to

I'm hopeless with computers
Thanks
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Nemoto on Wednesday 03 October 18 19:34 BST (UK)
Adding to the discussion on Arthur O'Donnell and Ann Slaven. From the 1901 Scotland Census, eldest daughter Mary has married Alexander Drummond.
Mary Drummond  Age 28,  b. abt 1873, Wife  b. Ireland
Spouse's Name Alex Drummond
Registration Number  644/3  Registration district  Dennistoun
Glasgow Dennistoun, County  Lanarkshire
56 Dunchattan St
ED 40; Household schedule number  179; Line 16; Roll CSSCT1901_274
Household Members
Alex Drummond  28
Mary Drummond 28
Catherine Drummond  3
Annie Drummond  Age1
They later emigrated to the USA, Alex first, Mary & children a year after. On arrival in Boston 9 May 1910 w/ six children, Mary cited closest relative abroad as mother Mrs. O'Donnell at 48 Birkenshaw St., Denistown [Dennistoun], Glasgow; thus Ann was likely alive, but perhaps father Arthur was deceased.

Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 03 October 18 19:44 BST (UK)
That's great thanks, it ties in, your right Arthur I think was dead but can't find out when or death cert, I think Anne died in 1922 , if I can locate Arthur's death cert I can then see who his mother was and restart O'Donnell search in Donegal, I was wondering if there's no death record in Glasgow had he returned to Ireland , maybe on a visit and died there.

But thanks for info that's great
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 03 October 18 19:53 BST (UK)
Also I must apologise if I gave wrong info before, it seems more than likely that my great great grandfather John O'Donnell was in fact from Donegal possibly Donegal town and not from limerick and not married to hanora Dawson, in fact I'm trying to find out who he was married to.

Sorry for any inconvenience in my defence it's hard when you don't know where to start and your hopeless on computers
Title: Re: Grandmother
Post by: Oranges on Wednesday 26 June 19 20:35 BST (UK)
Hi everyone, a lot of people have been helping me trace relatives, I've now found out susan O'Donnell married Hugh Cameron and although she died in 1962 aged 70 years and the informant was her son also Hugh, she died 14/5/62 at the royal infirmary Glasgow Orr street , does anyone know anything about Hugh Cameron or indeed is he still alive or any children

Thanks