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I have a 1911 Canadian Census marking Joseph and Walter Fred Lindley as gold miners. The heading of the Census shows British Columbia - Rossland City Eastward. I know they eventually came back to England but wondered if anyone could tell me where to look to find out any information on where they worked and what caused them to come back?
Any help appreciated
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Hi,
Do you mean Lindsay and not Lindley?
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=59398
Rossland had many independent mines, but amalgamation started in 1905, to become Consolidated Mining and Smeltering Co. (Cominco). See here
https://www.mininghistoryassociation.org/Rossland.htm
http://www.rosslandmuseum.ca/category/industry/mining/
Cheers,
DB
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There is a 1916 Census 48, 12, W2, Arborfield 02, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan which may show part of the same family, if the name is Lindsay ???
Eli Lindsay 58 Born England. Imm 1906. Miner.
Frances Lindsay 56 Born England. Imm 1907.
Walter F Lindsay 28 Born England. Imm 1906. Farmer.
Frank S Lindsay 19 Born England. Imm 1907. Farmer.
Frances Lindsay 17 Born England. Imm 1907.
Sandra
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Attestation Papers for the son Frank Lindsay listed above - born 1/10.1897 - father Eli - Arborfield P.O. Saskatchewan.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=533392
Sandra
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Happy Easter Sandra ;D
Perhaps a reason for their return was, Saskatchewan suffered numerous droughts (1917-1926)
(1929-1937), devastating for farmers.
http://esask.uregina.ca/entry/drought.html
Cheers,
DB
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1921 Census for the Lindsay family - splits them up onto 2 separate records - although they are all in the same household - so it is a little mixed up.
Era Lindsay 59 Born England. Farmer. Own Farm.
Francis Lindsay 58 Born England. Wife
Walter Lindsay 30 Born 1891 England. Son. Single. Farmer. Son.
Joseph Lindsay 27 Born 1894 England. Son. Single. Farmer. Son.
Frank Lindsay 24 Born England. Imm 1907. Widowed.
Francis Lindsay 21 Born England. Imm 1907. Daughter
Marjorie Lindsay 1/12 Born Saskatchewan 1921. Grand-daughter
Sandra
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Cheers Mate - same to you ;) ;)
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Could this be the sister of Marjorie listed on the 1921 census - Marjorie Lindsay (married name Krause) ???
Interesting obit - Irene Muriel Mcdermott (nee Lindsay) - December 28, 1930 - December 6, 2009
Irene Muriel McDermott was born on December 28, 1930 to Frank and Idress Lindsay of Arborfield, Saskatchewan. She was the second eldest of six children. etc etc
http://www.heritagefuneral.ca/tributes-personal/McDERMOTT-Irene-Muriel.html
Sandra
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IFthe above family is the right connection - the obituary above lists a brother Lindsay - this looks like his wife Jean of Arborfield. This is the entry on FIND A GRAVE
Jean Lindsay 1937 - 2011
Burial Arborfield Cemetery Arborfield Melfort Census Division Saskatchewan, Canada.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=163336189
Sandra
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Obituary with photograph - Jean above was Patrica Jean nee Stevenson - Patricia Jean Lindsay (nee Stevenson) died peacefully on July 20, 2011 at the age of 73 years after a brief but courageous battle with cancer. etc etc.,
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestarphoenix/obituary.aspx?n=patricia-lindsay&pid=153042701
Sandra
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Canada Voters Lists 1962/63 - shows Frank and Idress Lindsay - Humboldt-Melfort-Tisdale - Saskatchewan.
Sandra
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This could be Idress under her maiden name - Saskatchewan, Canada, Burial Index, 1802-2011 shows - Idress Muriel Warner - passed away 1981 -
Sandra
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Saskatchewan, Canada, Burial Index, 1802-2011 - Frank Samuel Lindsay - passed away 1995 - Tisdale, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Sandra
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Franks first wife could have been Mary Ruby (Clearang/Clarissa) Weese 1899 - 1921 Arborfield Saskatchewan. (as per headstone inscription) but according to birth record 6 June 1897.
Sandra
This is the birth
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FIND A GRAVE - Mary nee Weese Lindsay
Burial: Moose Range Cemetery Moose Range Melfort Census Division Saskatchewan, Canada.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162962886&ref=acom
Sandra
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1916 Census 48, 12, W2, Arborfield Prince Albert, Saskatchewan -
Thomas S Weese 36 Head
Margaret Weese 55 Mother.
Edna Weese 29 Wife
Harold Weese 6 Son
Marry Weese 18 Sister.
John Benny 70 Uncle.
Sandra
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Hi,
I found a short obituary for Eli Lindsay in the Lethbridge Herald, November 26 1968, page 18. It says he was 109!!!!!! He would have been 110 in Feb. He died at his home in Arborfield, Sask, about 90 miles east of Prince Albert. He was a pioneer district farmer. His survivors include 33 grandchildren, 96 great-grandchildren and 23 great- great-grandchildren. He came to Canada in 1906 from Hedensford, England, and first settled at Rossland BC, where he was a miner. He moved to the Arborfield district in 1911 to homestead, and retired from farming in 1931. He is also survived by 3 sons and 2 daughter (they aren't named in the obit).
RK
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Found another article in the Lethbridge Herald... Feb 29, 1968. It says "Ex - Creston Man Celebrates Birthday". It is from Arborfield... says Mr Eli Lindsay spent his 109th birthday at a tea party at his son Walter's place (the family homestead, near Arborfield). It says Mr Lindsay was born in England and spent 40 years working in British coal mines before emigrating to Rossland BC in 1905. He moved "here" (Arborfield area) in 1910 and farmed until he was 75. He is still in good health.
RK
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Excellent RK ;) - That was a good innings - Had found him on the Saskatchewan, Canada, Burial Index, 1802-2011 in 1968
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1957 Humboldt; Melfort, Saskatchewan, Canada is showing - Mr F S Lindsay (which must be Frank Samuel Lindsay) Mrs F S Lindsay, Joe Lindsay (farmer) Walter Lindsay (farmer) and Mrs Walter Lindsay farmer.
OP said they returned to England but it looks like they all stayed ???
Sandra
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Thank you so much dbree you have given me some interesting information to read. Sorry I had got the name slightly wrong, they are Lindsey family. Also Sandra and RunKitty for all your posts I have just seen. It will take me a little while to assimilate the information - the first person I can't place is Eli or Era Lindsey.
I have Frances Sarah (Fanny) Lindsey married George Lindsey in England 1882. It looks like she went to Canada with two sons Walter Lawrence Fred Lindsey, Joseph, Alfred Ernest and daughter Frances Ada who married Robert Scowcroft in Canada. She left other children in England Sarah Ellen, Robert and George.
As you say it looks like they all stayed in Canada but I have Frances Sarah (Fanny) whose maiden name was Mcmullen marrying again to Francis Cox in England in 1899. I'm wondering if my Frances's are getting mixed up as her daughter was Frances Ada b.1887 or maybe I have the wrong Frances in England but who was Eli?
I have had problems before with names being changed or nicknames used Sarah Frances McMullen was called Fanny in many places.
Another interesting piece is the obit for Irene Muriel Mcdermott (nee Lindsay) is a clue as another branch of our family are McDermotts!
I have a lot to think about at the moment but thank you all very much for what I've received so far.
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1891 Census Wimblebury Staffordshire
Eli Lindsey 32
T S (should be F S) Lindsey31
F Lindsey 13
Edith Lindsey 9
Maud Lindsey 6
Walter Lindsey 3
Frances Foster married Eli Lindsay 1889 Wolverhampton - 6b 652
Sandra
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1901 Rawnsley Stafforshire
Eli Lindsay 42 Frances Lindsay 41
Edith Lindsay 19 Maud Lindsay 16
Walter Lindsay 13 Joseph Lindsay 10
Alfred Lindsay 7 Frank Lindsay 4
Frances Lindsay 1
Sandra
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Looks like Edith Married Frederick Armishaw in Rossland - 14 September 1907
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jxr/
Sandra
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1921 Census shows the family Union Avenue Rossland City Kootenay British Columbia.
Frederick George Armishaw 39
Edith Eliza Armishaw 39
Frances May Armishaw 13
Beatrice Maude Armishaw 11
Fredrick Walter Armishaw 7
Evylyn Edith Armishaw 5
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE shows Edith
Edith Eliza Lindsay Armishaw - 30 November 1882 - 2 june 1929 - Rossland
Kootenay Boundary Regional District British Columbia, Canada.
Burial: Columbia Cemetery Rossland Kootenay Boundary Regional District
British Columbia, Canada
Plot: Block 3, Plot 100. Burial permit #737. Monument
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=99128709
Fredrick George Armishaw 1880 - 1966
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=108298255
Frederick probably remarried after the death of Edith
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLTT-B9C
Sandra
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Son Frederick Walter Armishaw - 1914 - passed away 21 August 1987 Trail British Columbia.
There is a listing for him on FIND A GRAVE but no dates.
Burial: Mountain View Cemetery Trail Kootenay Boundary Regional District
British Columbia, Canada.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=110825760&ref=acom
Marriage record in Spokane Washington USA - 20 January 1936 - Spouse Yvonne Lessieur of Rossland. BC
Sandra
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Daughter Mae Armishaw married George Partridge - Rossland - 1 May 1931 -
Frances Mae Partridge - 1909 - passed away 24 April 1979 - Trail BC.
FIND A GRAVE with copy of death certificate.
Burial Mountain View Cemetery Trail Kootenay Boundary Regional District British Columbia.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=110538962&ref=acom
Gordon Partridge 1907 - 1938
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=110538972
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLGT-DVZ
Sandra
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Beatrice Maude Armishaw married Robert Tweed - 1 May 1928 - Nelson BC -
Beatrice Maud Tweed passed away 26 March 1996
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jxs/
Robert Tweed - 20 June 1961 Hope BC
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jxt/
Sandra
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Attestation papers for Alfred Lindsay 30 May 1893 son of Eli Lindsay and Frances Sarah Foster -
Alfred was a blacksmith.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=533316
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B5652A-S001
Sandra
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Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current
Private Alfred Lindsay - 30 May 1893 Staffordshire. - died 28 August 1915 -
FIND A GRAVE
Maple Leaf Cemetery Comines-Warneton Arrondissement de Mouscron Hainaut, Belgium
Plot: B. 7.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=12694728&ref=acom
A blacksmith by trade, he enlisted in the CEF on 19 Nov 1914 in Quebec City, Quebec, Canada.
Son of Eli and Frances Lindsay of Moose Range, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Private Alfred Lindsay is commemorated on Page 24 of Canada's First World War Book of Remembrance.
Inscription: - Canadian Infantry (British Columbia Regiment)
Military Service- Service Number: 63547 Age: 22 - Army
Unit: Canadian Infantry (British Columbia Regiment) - Division: 7th Battalion
Sandra
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Joseph Lindsay - Spouse Hilda -
FIND A GRAVE
Burial: Moose Range Cemetery Moose Range Melfort Census Division
Saskatchewan, Canada.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162786220&ref=acom
Hilda Lindsay 1906 - 1990
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162786258
Children: J.A. Fred Lindsay 1927 - 2009 - Dorothy Ann Lindsay Ralph 1929 - 1986
William Lindsay 1930 - 2011
J A Fred Lindsay - 27 November 1927 - 22 September 2009
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162838804
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/456/101.jpg
Dorothy Ann "Dot" Lindsay Ralph - 20 May 1929 - 2 December 1986
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162786408
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/456/185.jpg
William Lindsay - 12 July 1930 - 7 August 2011
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162770602
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/456/105.jpg
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/moose_range.html
Sandra
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Obituary for William Lindsay - July 12, 1930 - August 7, 2011 son of Joseph Lindsay and Hilda.
http://www.heritagefuneral.ca/tributes-personal/lindsay-william.html
Sandra
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I have been researching Eli Lindsay and I realise they are a different family to who I am looking for. Very similar but my Frances Sarah Mcmullen Lindsay was married to George Lindsay m.1882 in Manchester and although some of the children's names were the same it is just a coincidence. Maybe they are connected in some way but I can't make the connection. My Lindsay family originated in Cheshire, not Staffordshire and I have a death record for Sarah Francis of 1930 in North Manchester.
I believe her daughter Francis Ada stayed in Canada and was married to Robert Scowcroft.
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Crumbs - so this is your family - Manchester Lancashire 1891 -
George Lindsey 31 born Cuddington Cheshire - Carter -
Fanny Lindsey 27 born Manchester 1864.
Sarah E Lindsey 1 born Manchester. Lancashire.
George Lindsey 5 born Manchester Lancashire.
Sandra
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Frances remarried to a Francis Cox - Famiy on 1901 census Manchester Lancashire
Francis Cox 46 Frances Cox 31
Sarah E Lindsay 17 Walter Lindsay 8
Alfred Lindsay 7 George Lindsay 14
All the family in Manchester 1911
Therefore this must be a possible for the death registration for George - born 1860 - died aged 38 years - Q2 April/May/June 1898 - Manchester Lancashire - 8d 186
Frances Lindsey and Francis Cox marriage - Q3 July, August, September 1899 - 8 d 379
Doesn't look as if they ever left England. Couldn't find a Joseph belonging to this family though !!
Birth registration of Walter Lindsay - Manchester 8d 310 - doesn't show a middle name of Fred.
Sandra
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The death registration for Frances Ada Scowcroft nee Lindsay ( born 10 September 1899) passed away in California 16 September 1985 shows her mother's maiden name was Law - father Lindsay - so you were way, way off the mark and following the wrong family.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra - Yes, right family this time and as you say way off the mark. That's a disappointment then that the sons went as gold miners!! So the Scowcroft branch Frances Ada is wrong as well?
Marie :-[
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I wonder if anyone can help me sort this out? I thought it was simple that I'd just confused my Fanny Lindsay, Cox family as there were many names the same but alas I'm still having problems and think that maybe they are still connected to the Canadian family. Could there be so many names and connections with the same name? I've spent most of the holiday weekend looking them up. I have confirmed that Fanny was married to George Lindsay in Manchester 1882. He died 1898 and she arrived back at Liverpool from Quebec on ship Lake Huron 1898. I have confirmed she married Francis Cox in Manchster in 1899.
One of the daughters Frances Ada Lindsay was definitely living in Canada in 1899 and married there.
1911 Census shows family including Walter Fred in England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9P-TXX5?from=lynx1&treeref=LKG1-9W6
I have also found Frances Lindsay visiting Manchester 1911
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Frances%20Ada%22~%20%2Bsurname%3ALindsay~%20%2Bbirth_place%3AManchester~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1887-1890~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AGeorge~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ALindsay~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3A%22Frances%20Sarah%20Fanny%22~%20%2Bmother_surname%3AMcMullen~
Perhaps they found gold with the help of Mr Sanderson and could afford to go backwards and forwards to and from England?
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The Frances McMullen who married George Lindsay in Manchester in 1882 had 4 children as shown on the attached table. I think the Frances Lindsay you have visiting Canada is some other person with the same name. I do not show Francis Cox in the table, but there is no doubt he was married to the Frances shown there. Sarah Ellen Lindsay married either John Edward ANSON or Joseph MASSEY in Manchester Jan-Mar 1910.
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Birth of Frances LINDSEY, mother's surname McMULLIN registered Manchester Oct-Dec 1887. Where was this 3 year old in the 1891 census and 13 years old in 1901?
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Frances Lindsay age 2 death registered Manchester Oct-Dec 1890. This is very very likely the daughter of George Lindsay & Frances McMullen.
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Frances COX death registered Manchester North Jul-Sep 1930 age 66.
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1911 Census shows family including Walter Fred in England
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9P-TXX5?from=lynx1&treeref=LKG1-9W6
I have also found Frances Lindsay visiting Manchester 1911
Perhaps they found gold with the help of Mr Sanderson and could afford to go backwards and forwards to and from England?
The spreadsheet in reply 39 repeats the transcriptions already given in reply 34 and 35 and contravenes RootsChat Copyright Policy by quoting the 1911 census - 1911 transcriptions are not allowed.
The 1911 Canadian Census quotes a Walter Sanderson as spouse of Frances Lindsay and father to Walter, Joseph and Alfred but that would appear to be a possible error. The 1916 Census Arborfield 02, Prince Albert, Saskatchewan showed that Frances was still married to Eli - but you do not now think it is your family.
Reference - reply 38 - The census you quote in your reply 38 is the 1911 census of Kootenay British Columbia not England.
Quote :- One of the daughters Frances Ada Lindsay was definitely living in Canada in 1899 and married there.
1911 Census shows family including Walter Fred in England
Frances Ada Lindsay was the daughter of Eli and Frances and you say this is not your family - This shows her baptism - Female - Baptism Date 24 Sep 1899
Baptism PlaceHednesford, Stafford, England - Father Eli Lindsay
Mother: Frances
Think you are still very confused.
Sandra
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Thanks for all your work Sandra. I agree Frances Ada is not mine and yes the entry for Walter Sanderson is obviously wrong. Frances was not his wife she was travelling just with her children. I think the entry for Ada's parents Frances and Eli clarifies they are definitely not the same family.
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So you have all the other children of George and Frances accounted for ?
Sandra
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Not really! :-[ From your previous posts of the Lindsay family on Census in Manchester if looks like there was just the 4 of them Sarah Ellen, George, Walter and Alfred unless there was any more who came along later. I doubt it as George Lindsay died in 1889 and Frances remarried in 1890 to Francis Cox who I believe already had 3 children from previous marriage.
It all gets very complicated when in those days they used the same names over and over and all remarried!!
Thanks again
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Daughter Sarah Ellen Lindsey - Baptism Date 9 Mar 1884 - St. James' Collyhurst, Manchester, Lancaster, England - Father George Lindsey Mother Fanny.
Sarah Ellen Lindsay aged 26 years - married 6 Feb 1910 - Manchester, St Michael, Lancashire, England
to John Edwin Anson. (Incase you haven't got it - Marriage Cert below)
The British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 for John Edwin Anson - names Sarah Ellen Anson, son George Frederick Anson born 20 September 1910 and a daughter Irene Anson born 18 September 1914
George Frederick Anson born 20 September 1910 passed away April 2006 - Manchester - aged 96 years.
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Daughter Irene Anson married Hubert Gee - Q3 - July/August/September 1938 -
8d 1449
Hubert Gee born 4 February 1911 passed away December 1982
Irene passed away 20 July 2004 Manchester.
Anc tree entry shows a daughter Hilary nee Gee Fosbrook born 20 November 1946 - passed away Surrey British Columbia - 9 March 2013. Obituary for Hilary was published in the Vancouver Sun 17 March 2013 - If you wish you could contact the tree owner if you haven't already.
This is the obituary for the husband of Hilary - Michael Fosbrook - Published in Vancouver Sun and/or The Province on Aug. 8, 2010 -
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/vancouversun/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=144580886
Sandra
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Thanks again so much Sandra for you help and marriage cert. I've just updated the Anson family. Its very strange that the daughter Hilary Gee Fosbrook ended up in Canada again, that connection. There may still be some family connection!!
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Under the surname Alfred Landsey born 9 February 1894 - baptised 21 February 1894 Collyhurst, St James, Lancashire, England - parents George Landsey (carter) and Frances Landsey.
32 Back irk Street.
Alfred Lindsey - 9 February 1894 - March 1973 - Manchester - 10e 134
Sandra
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Walter Lindsay - 1892 - 1967 - aged 75 years - Lancashire - 10 e 481
Sandra
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Thank you once again Sandra. Another 2 definitely identified!
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I think that Irene Anson Gee died in Oldham, Lancs in September 1992
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I think that Irene Anson Gee died in Oldham, Lancs in September 1992
Maybe a good idea to contact the ancestry tree owner to compare notes. Although they have a positive date of death for Irene Anson Gee, they are not quoting the correct birth year - 1918 instead of December 1914 ::)
Sandra
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Hi!
I have been doing my family tree as we know we are related to Eli Lindsay but not sure how. We had a newspaper cutting and I've managed to find out through researching that he is my 3rd great uncle!