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Title: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 11:28 BST (UK)
Hello

I am interested in any further information please, religious, family, property, background and if a Will exists, regarding William Hood of Bristol, a Corn Factor, dying at the Fish Ponds, Gloucestershire and buried 1821 aged 65, who was not a Quaker?

This thread is not for the Quaker section of Rootschat.

This is what I know so far about William Hood:-

Quakers Burial Note (not attached)

States:-
Not a Member

To Mary Thomas Grave-Maker.
The 26th Day of the 1st Month, 1821
Make a Grave on or before next First Day, in Friends'
Burying-Ground, at or near The Friers
and therin lay the Body of William Hood, of the Broad Wear
Peters Parish in the City of Bristol
Corn factor aged about sixty five Years
who died the Twenty fourth Day
of the First Month, One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty one
at the Fish Ponds in the County of Gloucester.


Signed Jeffery Wallis

The body of the above-mentioned was buried the Twenty Eighth
Day of the first Month, 1821

Witness George Thomas for Mary Thomas Grave-Maker.


[Friers spelt Friars in the Register]
[Broad Wear spelt Broad Weir in the Register]


The burial records confirm William Hood was not a Quaker Member and as the Church have not buried William Hood, I am also interested in what Non-conformist / Dissenting faith William Hood belonged to.


My family is Hood and I've been stuck (for 18 years) with unconfirmed suggestions, in Selby Yorkshire with a George Hood, aged 60 years, in business (as Brewers and Maltsters, and Tanners) and also buried as a Non-Quaker at the Selby Friends Quaker Burial Ground in September 1845 (my 4 X Gt. Grandfather).


Hence, my interest at anything you can dig up about this William Hood, Corn Factor / Merchant of Bristol, dying at the Fish Ponds Gloucestershire, early 1821?

Thank you for any help.

Regards Mark


Register Entry attached
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 12:33 BST (UK)
Bristol Mirror 3rd February 1821.

Also in the Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette, 8th February 1821 and
Cheltenham Chronicle, 15 February 1821.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 17 April 17 13:34 BST (UK)
Possible marriage & children

William Hood mar. Sarah Beaufey 30 April 1801.

Children:
William Gibbons Hood bpt. 1802
Elizabeth Beaufey H. bpt 1804
John Acreman H. bpt.1811
Edward bn 1814/5
Edward and George Liddel H. bpt.1817
Henry Charles born 1819
Leonora Sarah born 1820 last two children baptised 1825

Sarah ( Ind) is in the 1841 Census in Bristol with the children.

There are a family of Hoods from prior research in Wiltshire which isn't too far away.

There is an Apprenticeship record for a William Hood ( apprentice) as a baker in 1770 Seend, master: Thomas Lucas

EDIT: I will leave that marriage and children in the post incase they maybe related but the WILLIAM HOOD who married Sarah Beaufey died in America 1837.

Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Monday 17 April 17 14:37 BST (UK)
Usually for a non-Quaker to be buried in a Friends Burial Ground there would be some family connection, but I can't see any in Bristol. However, the Friars Burial Gound is only yards from Broad Weir, so maybe he had a connection. I can't see a will in Bristol or Gloucestershire either; I did wonder if it may have been a suicide as burial in an Anglican cemetery might be refused and I think Quakers have always taken a more compassionate line. There is nothing in newspapers online to suggest that though. Fishponds was a village outside Bristol then, more of a suburb now,

Steve
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 18:52 BST (UK)
Thank you Claire and Steve

My 4 X Gt. Grandfather buried as a Non-Quaker by them, died of heart disease certified 18 months on the Death Certificate.

However, I'm not really after speculative causes of death, except to say that Quakers were known to have links with Independents (& dissenting faiths).

I do accept a surviving Inquest if there was one, may give relatives (next of kin), but have any Bristol researchers come across them at the local Archives, or University, for 1821, which might not be online yet?

William Hood was not a Quaker himself, so I am interested in any general information, regarding local Bristol non-conformist religion (Baptist, Independent, Methodist, Wesleyan, Presbyterian)?

William Hood may have been a local dissenting Preacher, perhaps upsetting the Parish Church?
(This was going on in Selby, I've discovered, my George Hood had business ties, with persons prosecuted for refusing to pay the Church Rates, for Church repairs).

Sometimes a local Directory or History of Bristol with a Directory exists on the internet for free download, naming the businesses (hopefully around 1810 - 1820), which can give good general background info re surnames and somtimes family links. (I've got 1791 Universal British Directory, for commerce, but local ones are usually more detailed).

I was hoping someone may have researched Bristol businesses and commerce?

Are these places mentioned in my first post, near the docks, or a wharf, or inland canal, waterway?

So far I've only found a William Hood, ship owner.

Thank you

Regards Mark


My knowledge of Bristol, is Changing trains at Bristol Temple Meads and the famous Clifton suspension bridge.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Monday 17 April 17 20:13 BST (UK)
Hi Mark,

Both Broad Weir and Fishponds lie on the river Frome which joins the Avon in Bristol. I don't think it would have been navigable as far north as Fishponds however. Broad Weir was a prestigious address earlier in the 18th century and may well still have been in the 1820s. The docks in Bristol lay a half mile or more away in the south west if the city. I will send a near contemporary map if you wish to send me a pm. giving your email address.

It might be worth getting in touch with Bristol Record Office for details of directories and nonconformist records. Fishponds was quite small in those days but it was the site of the largest lunatic asylum outside of London,

Steve
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 21:07 BST (UK)
Thanks Steve

Managed to find two companies at Bristol with Hood in their names ...

WASON, HOOD & Co.
(James Wason and William Hood)
According to a book online James Wason, William Hood and Joseph Walter, Accountant, were Ship owners.

KIDDELL, HOOD & Co.
George Kiddell Hood (Death notice, Western Daily Press, June 1864) was the son of the late Mr William Hood, Merchant.

Just need to find something on William Hood, Corn Factor.

Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Monday 17 April 17 21:17 BST (UK)
Hi Mark,

I'm not sure what records you've already checked, but the Bristol Poll Book for 1812 has nothing listed for Hood.  Also nothing in the Bristol Guide & Directory 1793/4.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 17 April 17 21:18 BST (UK)
Kiddell, Hood and co. = This is something to do with the family in my first post ~ note the son George LIDDEL Hood bn 1817, another transcription has his name as George Kiddell Hood ~ I think his fathers Will is on Anc* ~~ died 1837 ~ I know I have read it before.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 21:31 BST (UK)
Hi Mark,

I'm not sure what records you've already checked, but the Bristol Poll Book for 1812 has nothing listed for Hood.  Also nothing in the Bristol Guide & Directory 1793/4.

Hi Jomot

Thank you.

A Poll Book around this period usually only lists people who were property owners. Property ownership entitled you to vote.

I wonder if the Bristol Guide & Directory was a subscription type, where you had to pay to be included.

This William Hood of Bristol, Corn Factor, of interest, was buried in 1821 by the Quakers as a Non Member, just like my George Hood of Selby was, so I had to consider him as a possible relative (Father, or Uncle).

Thanks Claire

I'll download that Will, even if only for elimination.

Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 21:40 BST (UK)
If Kiddell and Hood are related.

I wonder if James Wason, William Hood or Joseph Walter, Accountant, are related?
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Monday 17 April 17 21:44 BST (UK)
This from the Bristol Mirror 30 October 1819 may be of interest.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Monday 17 April 17 21:45 BST (UK)
Also meant to add this link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Rooms,_Bristol
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 17 April 17 21:52 BST (UK)
His wife Sarah's Will dated 1857 lists one of her children as James WASON Hood
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Monday 17 April 17 23:09 BST (UK)
I think this is a different family; William Hood and Sarah had their children baptised at St Pauls, Bristol c1810-20 and he is always described as a merchant. One of James Wason's sons was baptised William Hood Wason by the way. This William Hood died in South Carolina in 1837,

Steve
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 17 April 17 23:22 BST (UK)
His wife Sarah's Will dated 1857 lists one of her children as James WASON Hood

Thank you Jomot and Claire

I have added an image to Reply #6, regarding George Kiddell Hood, whose death notice appears in June 1864 and a William Hood, Merchant was his Father.

The Will of Sarah Hood of Bristol, Widow, 1857, names both:- George Kiddell Hood and James Wasson Hood as her Sons.

So the two HOOD businesses at Bristol listed in the May 1817 image (see Reply #6) must be linked to the same Hoods.


Just wondering now, if the William Hood of Bristol, Corn Factor, who died and was buried in 1821 as a Non-Quaker, was their Grandfather?

Regards Mark


EDIT: Thanks Steve for your comment.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 17 April 17 23:40 BST (UK)
There is a Will of a John Hood of Bristol dated 1802. This man was an ironmonger ~ mentions a son John GIBBONS Hood and his son William Hood

claire
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 18 April 17 00:04 BST (UK)
If William Hood, Corn Factor buried 1821 is the same William Hood appointed in 1819 to the committee of the Commercial Rooms on Corn Street, "the headquarters of the corn trade", then their records may reveal something of use. 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jy3/

As a committee member he may also have been a shareholder, so perhaps the register of share certificates & share transfers from 1814 onwards might help identify his heirs in the absence of a will?
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 18 April 17 00:44 BST (UK)
If William Hood, Corn Factor buried 1821 is the same William Hood appointed in 1819 to the committee of the Commercial Rooms on Corn Street, "the headquarters of the corn trade", then their records may reveal something of use. 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jy3/

As a committee member he may also have been a shareholder, so perhaps the register of share certificates & share transfers from 1814 onwards might help identify his heirs in the absence of a will?

Thanks Jomot

There is also a Wills list off the Archive Menu and a Mary Hood, Will in 1821, the year William Hood died and was buried in January.

Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 18 April 17 00:53 BST (UK)
There is a Will of a John Hood of Bristol dated 1802. This man was an ironmonger ~ mentions a son John GIBBONS Hood and his son William Hood

claire

Thanks Claire

I noticed a Tho, Wm, Ben: Gibbons & Jno Hood of the City of Bristol, Ironmongers, in the 1779 duty paid on Apprentices Indentures.

Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 18 April 17 01:44 BST (UK)
I have added an image to Reply #6, regarding George Kiddell Hood, whose death notice appears in June 1864 and a William Hood, Merchant was his Father.

The Will of Sarah Hood of Bristol, Widow, 1857, names both:- George Kiddell Hood and James Wasson Hood as her Sons.

So the two HOOD businesses at Bristol listed in the May 1817 image (see Reply #6) must be linked to the same Hoods.


Just wondering now, if the William Hood of Bristol, Corn Factor, who died and was buried in 1821 as a Non-Quaker, was their Grandfather?

The name "Kiddell" appears to be from George Eveleigh Kiddell who died in Bristol in 1842 aged 71 and was co-owner of the Hassan, the Waterloo & others with William Hood & James Wason.  The 1841 census shows his PoB as Ireland.

George Eveleigh Kiddell was the executor of the 1798 estate of Benjamin Kiddell of Charleston, South Carolina.  The estate value was £6,491 17s 11d, although the inventory & a subsequent Bill of Sale makes unsettling reading. 

ADDED: Benjamin & Elizabeth Kiddell were baptising children in the Lewins Mead Presbyterian Chapel, Bristol in the 1770's.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 18 April 17 11:02 BST (UK)
I have added an image to Reply #6, regarding George Kiddell Hood, whose death notice appears in June 1864 and a William Hood, Merchant was his Father.

The Will of Sarah Hood of Bristol, Widow, 1857, names both:- George Kiddell Hood and James Wasson Hood as her Sons.

So the two HOOD businesses at Bristol listed in the May 1817 image (see Reply #6) must be linked to the same Hoods.


Just wondering now, if the William Hood of Bristol, Corn Factor, who died and was buried in 1821 as a Non-Quaker, was their Grandfather?

The name "Kiddell" appears to be from George Eveleigh Kiddell who died in Bristol in 1842 aged 71 and was co-owner of the Hassan, the Waterloo & others with William Hood & James Wason.  The 1841 census shows his PoB as Ireland.

George Eveleigh Kiddell was the executor of the 1798 estate of Benjamin Kiddell of Charleston, South Carolina.  The estate value was £6,491 17s 11d, although the inventory & a subsequent Bill of Sale makes unsettling reading. 

ADDED: Benjamin & Elizabeth Kiddell were baptising children in the Lewins Mead Presbyterian Chapel, Bristol in the 1770's.

Hi Jomot

Your addition, regarding the baptising of the Kiddell's children in the Presbyterian Chapel is most interesting.

I have read in an old US book, that US Quakers buried a Non-Quaker, who was a Presbyterian Minister.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland
Protestant - Presbyterian

John Calvin (Calvinism)
 --------------

We know the main Hood characters of Bardon Park, Leicestershire, were religious dissenters, along with other Hood families.

 --------------

Led to believe our Hoods originated in Scotland. Our William Hood, born Selby Yorkshire, England 1816, being the firstborn Son and being outlived by Jane Hood, alias Jane Casson Hood, probably means that our Hood family papers are with the Cassons in the USA, as claimed by another enquirer on the internet, who has no contact information.
 --------------

Quakers, the Society of Friends burying Non-Quakers, I believe would likely indicate that the deceased had NO allegiance to the Church of England / Anglican.


But the Parish Church might still memorialise some in death, because some had local status and wealth.

Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Capetown on Tuesday 18 April 17 21:11 BST (UK)
Search the Database - Search/Legacies of British Slave-ownership


https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/search/


Mentions:

a couple of entries

Barbados

28 March 1836:  William Gibbons HOOD at present in England - Letters of Testamentary in favour of John Acraman HOOD

William Gibbons HOOD, at present in England.  John MUNRO was the attorney and joint owner-in-fee.  William Gibbons HOOD died, and the claim was amended to John MUNRO alone.

----

held at The National Archives Kew

16 February 1837

William Gibbons HOOD merchant, formerly of Barbados in the West Indies, afterwards of Bristol, and now at the Fishponds, Stapleton.  Gloucestershire: commission and inquisition of lunacy, into his state of mind and his property.


Ancestry has the actual handwritten lists of William Gibbons HOOD & Jn MUNRO

Slave Register of former British Colonial Dependencies

1834

John - aged 59  c 1775
Tom - aged 53 c 1781
Leah -aged 46  c 1788


John - aged 33 (c1801) - owned by William
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 19 April 17 01:40 BST (UK)
Very interesting finds from Capetown, especially the Fishponds address  :)

Quote
William Hood mar. Sarah Beaufey 30 April 1801

I didn't notice this marriage when Claire first posted it, but quite a few Beaufoy's were Quakers so could this be Sarah Beaufoy, wife of William Hood, Merchant, and possible daughter-in-law of William Hood, Corn Factor?

Monthly Meeting of Evesham and Alcester (1648-1778)
Sarah Beaufoy daughter of Chs & Sarah Beaufoy was born at Evesham 2nd of 3rd Month 1776

According to the GRO index her age at death in 1856 was 78, putting her birth at c1778, so its certainly a possibility (indexed as Sarah Beanfoy Wood  ::)  )
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 19 April 17 01:52 BST (UK)

Jomot and Capetown ~ Both good finds ;D

That looks interesting ~ a possible Quaker connection again.

I think William Hood merchant ( married to S Beaufay) was possibly the son of John Hood died 1802 ~ Will on Anc*

Claire
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 19 April 17 02:03 BST (UK)
I think William Hood merchant ( married to S Beaufay) was possibly the son of John Hood died 1802 ~ Will on Anc*

It does look that way, doesn't it, especially with a son named John Gibbons Hood.  The William Gibbons, Ironmonger appointed as one of the executors also ties in with the apprentice records. 

The Fishponds connection between William Gibbons Hood & William Hood, Corn Factor does hint at a family connection though, don't you think?  Perhaps John & William were brothers?

ADDED: Reading back & looking at the census, Fishponds was also the site of a lunatic asylum, so perhaps not  :-\
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Wednesday 19 April 17 10:18 BST (UK)
I think there must have been a history of mental health problems in the family, hence the Fishponds connection. William the corn factor obviously lived at Broadweir in the city and the possible Quaker origins of his wife Sarah, may be the reason for the burial. I wonder if mental health issues account for the lack of a will for William?

Steve
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 19 April 17 10:35 BST (UK)
I think there must have been a history of mental health problems in the family, hence the Fishponds connection. William the corn factor obviously lived at Broadweir in the city and the possible Quaker origins of his wife Sarah, may be the reason for the burial. I wonder if mental health issues account for the lack of a will for William?

Sarah was the wife of William the Merchant, not William the Corn Factor.

There are letters between William Hood (Merchant), Samuel Taylor Coleridge and John James Morgan, which give William Hoods address as Brunswick Square.  I don't know Bristol but the modern Broad Weir appears close by?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jyd/
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 19 April 17 11:48 BST (UK)
Hello All

Thank you to all who looked and the replies from Capetown, Jomot, Claire and Steve.

Been looking at Steve's earlier comment, about the C of E not offering a burial service and found this, which I posted here, in West Yorkshire ...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769779.0

In respect of my George Hood being buried in the Quaker Burial Ground in 1845 at Selby, suicide can be definitely ruled out in his case.

However, it has led to other finds, questions and more information added a bit piecemeal, regarding research at the Yorkshire end.

Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Wednesday 19 April 17 12:37 BST (UK)


Sarah was the wife of William the Merchant, not William the Corn Factor.

There are letters between William Hood (Merchant), Samuel Taylor Coleridge and John James Morgan, which give William Hoods address as Brunswick Square.  I don't know Bristol but the modern Broad Weir appears close by?

Yes, my mistake, but the principle remains - Sarah's influence might have helped with her father-in-law's burial if that is the right connection. Brunswick Square is a short distance to the north-east of Broadweir and the area (St Pauls) one that was developing at this time as situation for the rising merchant class. William and Sarah had their children baptised at St Pauls church

Steve
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 19 April 17 15:06 BST (UK)
May have found a record for William the corn merchant in the death duty registers - 1821

William HUDD.... Elizabeth Hudd of St Georges Bristol. Con. Bristol.

Three marriages using the variant of HUDD in Bristol

William H mar. Elizabeth Clements 22 Nov. 1772

William H mar. Mary Phipps 31 Jan. 1788

William H mar. Hannah Shipway 29 Aug. 1819

Claire

Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Wednesday 19 April 17 16:27 BST (UK)
Bristol Burgess Records:

12 March 1814 William Hood (Merchant) by vote of the Council
4 February 1826 William Gibbons Hood (Merchant) by apprenticeship to William Hood

Steve
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 19 April 17 17:06 BST (UK)
May have found a record for William the corn merchant in the death duty registers - 1821

William HUDD.... Elizabeth Hudd of St Georges Bristol. Con. Bristol.

Three marriages using the variant of HUDD in Bristol

William H mar. Elizabeth Clements 22 Nov. 1772

William H mar. Mary Phipps 31 Jan. 1788

William H mar. Hannah Shipway 29 Aug. 1819

Claire

Hello All

Thanks for replies.

Mary Hood for 1821 listed under the Bristol Wills.
http://archives.bristol.gov.uk/Willsindex.aspx
They also have other Wills not listed.


PCC Wills (1837 & 1857 already discussed)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Hood%20Bristol&_ep=Hood&_cr=IR%7CPROB%2011&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv


Sounds like there are other Registries for earlier Wills
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/england-and-wales-published-wills-and-probate-indexes-1300-1858-volumes-available/bristol


Regards Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 19 April 17 17:32 BST (UK)

Saw the Mary Hood entry in the death duty register , I can't see a burial for her.

She was living in Newfoundland Street, Bristol. Probate granted to Betty Veal.

Marriage of a Benjamin Veal to a Betty Ash 1802 Bristol - although there are numerous Veal marriages to a Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 19 April 17 17:49 BST (UK)
I could be wrong (I often am!) but isn't Newfoundland Street the address of the person granted administration, ie Betty Veal?
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 19 April 17 18:18 BST (UK)

I've absolutely no idea  ;D
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 02 November 17 07:59 GMT (UK)
May have found a record for William the corn merchant in the death duty registers - 1821

William HUDD.... Elizabeth Hudd of St Georges Bristol. Con. Bristol.

Three marriages using the variant of HUDD in Bristol

William H mar. Elizabeth Clements 22 Nov. 1772

William H mar. Mary Phipps 31 Jan. 1788

William H mar. Hannah Shipway 29 Aug. 1819

Claire

Thanks Claire and Jomot

No Will, but TNA have IR 27/103 listed as Administrations

Eliz'th Hudd St George's Bristol - "Name and Residence of Administrator or Administratrix"

Bristol Con[sistory] Court? Vol.1 and Fol.154

I have enquired if these survive?

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Jeffery WALLIS was the Quaker conducting and/or authorising his Not a Member burial.

My new book has Wallis Quaker businessmen with links to Yorkshire (quite a few incl Pontefract; Scarborough; Wakefield and ex Ackworth School); Chorlton upon Medlock; Kettering; Hitchin and Chelmsford etc.

Over two full A4 pages of small print, will take time to digest these Wallis Quakers

The Witnesses were George Thomas for Mary Thomas, Gravemaker

(In George Hood's burial case the male witness/Gravemaker was the Sexton and his family surname appeared to be linked to a local Joinery company, some Joiners were Undertakers).

Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 02 November 17 09:59 GMT (UK)
Can't see any reference to Quaker, Jeffery WALLIS (or HOOD / HUDD) under the Wallis names, in the book.

Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Thursday 02 November 17 13:41 GMT (UK)
Hi

Jeffery Wallis was a Quaker born c1749 in Reading. Was a baker by trade. Married twice, the second marriage took place in Reading. Seemed to baptise numerous children in Reading, Dorset & a couple in Bristol. One being a Swaine Wallis - Swaine being the surname of his wife he married in Reading.

Jeffery Wallis died in 1829 and was buried in Southampton.

No Hoods, Cook(e) or Pearson witnesses at either of his marriages.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 02 November 17 20:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks Claire for looking

Do you mean Births? Quakers don't baptise.

Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: ..claire.. on Thursday 02 November 17 23:22 GMT (UK)

Yes, of course I mean births,  slapping my own wrists - I should have remembered that - all the Quaker records I've looked at :)

Claire
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 05 November 17 15:01 GMT (UK)
There is a Will of a John Hood of Bristol dated 1802. This man was an ironmonger ~ mentions a son John GIBBONS Hood and his son William Hood

claire

Thanks Claire

I noticed a Tho, Wm, Ben: Gibbons & Jno Hood of the City of Bristol, Ironmongers, in the 1779 duty paid on Apprentices Indentures.

Regards Mark


William Hood, Merchant of the City of Bristol was in Copartnership with Thomas Gibbons; Benjamin Gibbons; William Gibbons and Benjamin Bickley, trading as William Gibbons and Co was dissolved by mutual consent on 30th September 1812.
London Gazette of 1813.


According to the Notice in 1815 William Hood was no longer a Partner.

1815
Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership in the trades and businesses of Ironmongers and Merchants, lately carried on by us, in the City of Bristol, under the firm of William Gibbons and Co. was by mutual consent dissolved on and from the 25th day of May 1814 ...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0yVKAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA241&lpg=PA241&dq=%22William+Gibbons+and+Co%22+Bristol&source=bl&ots=HBg9Uf1vh2&sig=MqA0VP9n2enFBD7AU4Ocypd9V7c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQtdjR3qfXAhXMWRoKHbmHC8wQ6AEIHzAB


Capetown's post also links Hood and Gibbons.

Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 05 November 17 16:38 GMT (UK)
Seems this William Hood of Bristol was related to Gibbons?

A Quaker book has quite a few Gibbins and refers to the Records of the Gibbins Family ...
https://archive.org/stream/recordsofgibbins00gibb

Which says Gibbins (or Gibbons) and referring to early Gibbons of Bristoll. [sic]

If William Hood of Bristol was related to a Quaker family, the Quaker Library gave that as one of the reasons that would qualify a person for a Quaker burial, as Not in Membership.

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I'm now wondering about my mystery George Hood and his burial in the Selby Quaker Burial Ground, as "Not in Membership", died of Heart Disease Certified 18 Months.

Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 14 February 18 11:17 GMT (UK)
May have found a record for William the corn merchant in the death duty registers - 1821

William HUDD.... Elizabeth Hudd of St Georges Bristol. Con. Bristol.

Three marriages using the variant of HUDD in Bristol

William H mar. Elizabeth Clements 22 Nov. 1772

William H mar. Mary Phipps 31 Jan. 1788

William H mar. Hannah Shipway 29 Aug. 1819

Claire

Thanks Claire and Jomot

No Will, but TNA have IR 27/103 listed as Administrations

Eliz'th Hudd St George's Bristol - "Name and Residence of Administrator or Administratrix"

Bristol Con[sistory] Court? Vol.1 and Fol.154

I have enquired if these survive?

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Jeffery WALLIS was the Quaker conducting and/or authorising his Not a Member burial.

My new book has Wallis Quaker businessmen with links to Yorkshire (quite a few incl Pontefract; Scarborough; Wakefield and ex Ackworth School); Chorlton upon Medlock; Kettering; Hitchin and Chelmsford etc.

Over two full A4 pages of small print, will take time to digest these Wallis Quakers

The Witnesses were George Thomas for Mary Thomas, Gravemaker

(In George Hood's burial case the male witness/Gravemaker was the Sexton and his family surname appeared to be linked to a local Joinery company, some Joiners were Undertakers).

Mark

Hello

Yes the Bristol Administrations do survive, although they didn't seem to be listed online by the archive.

Regarding William Hudd's 1821 Admin., the archives have also included the Will of Mary Hood (1821) in their reply.

*Administration 1821, William Hudd, Executrix Eliz'th Hudd, St George's Bristol, Con[sistory] Bristol, per Calendar.

So I await copies with interest.


Quaker Burials of those "Not in Membership"
Regarding the Quaker burial of William Hood of Bristol as 'Not in Membership', it is possible William may also have been attending Quaker Meetings, as a Non-Member. Having Quaker relatives was one reason, according to the Quaker Library (Archive).

Mark


* Amended - The Calendar does NOT say that Executrix Eliz'th Hudd was William's Wife or Widow.
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 21 February 18 14:59 GMT (UK)
Hello

I am interested in any further information please, religious, family, property, background and if a Will exists, regarding William Hood of Bristol, a Corn Factor, dying at the Fish Ponds, Gloucestershire and buried 1821 aged 65, who was not a Quaker?

This thread is not for the Quaker section of Rootschat.

This is what I know so far about William Hood:-

Quakers Burial Note (not attached)

States:-
Not a Member

To Mary Thomas Grave-Maker.
The 26th Day of the 1st Month, 1821
Make a Grave on or before next First Day, in Friends'
Burying-Ground, at or near The Friers
and therin lay the Body of William Hood, of the Broad Wear
Peters Parish in the City of Bristol
Corn factor aged about sixty five Years
who died the Twenty fourth Day
of the First Month, One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty one
at the Fish Ponds in the County of Gloucester.


Signed Jeffery Wallis

The body of the above-mentioned was buried the Twenty Eighth
Day of the first Month, 1821

Witness George Thomas for Mary Thomas Grave-Maker.


[Friers spelt Friars in the Register]
[Broad Wear spelt Broad Weir in the Register]


Good Afternoon

This Administration is another William Hudd.

28th June 1821
Admin in the Goods of the within named Wm Hudd dec'ed was granted to Eliz'th Hudd his W'd & Relict at Bristol ...
Effects sworn under £1000.
[?] & Intestate died 10th Feb'y 1817

A declaration was made that the value of his effects would not exceed One thousand pounds, by The Mark of Elizabeth Hudd 28 June 1821

Appeared personally Elizabeth Hudd of the Parish of Saint George in the County of Gloucester Widow and made Oath that she is the Widow and Relict of William Hudd late of the Parish of Saint George in the County of Gloucester and Diocese of Bristol Yeoman deceased intestate, that she will faithfully administer his Goods Chattels and [?Credits] ...

Also there is a Bond set at Two Thousand Pounds and signed by Elizabeth Hudd Widow Ambrose Hudd Basketmaker and Thomas Haskins Woollen Draper all of the Parish of Saint George in the County of Gloucester. Relating to an Act of Lord King Charles the Second, intituled "An Act for the better settling of Intestates' Estates" ...

Interesting that Ambrose HUDD was a Basketmaker.

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My Sarah HOOD, nee Russell was a Basket Maker.

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This is not William Hood of Bristol, Corn Merchant, buried by the Quakers as Not in Membership.


Mark
Title: Re: Background of Wm Hood, Corn Factor of Bristol - 1821 Buried Non-Quaker, please?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 11 September 18 01:48 BST (UK)

The name "Kiddell" appears to be from George Eveleigh Kiddell who died in Bristol in 1842 aged 71 and was co-owner of the Hassan, the Waterloo & others with William Hood & James Wason.  The 1841 census shows his PoB as Ireland.

George Eveleigh Kiddell was the executor of the 1798 estate of Benjamin Kiddell of Charleston, South Carolina.  The estate value was £6,491 17s 11d, although the inventory & a subsequent Bill of Sale makes unsettling reading. 

ADDED: Benjamin & Elizabeth Kiddell were baptising children in the Lewins Mead Presbyterian Chapel, Bristol in the 1770's.

Hi Jomot

Your addition, regarding the baptising of the Kiddell's children in the Presbyterian Chapel is most interesting.

I have read in an old US book, that US Quakers buried a Non-Quaker, who was a Presbyterian Minister.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland
Protestant - Presbyterian

John Calvin (Calvinism)
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believe our Hoods originated in Scotland.

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Quakers, the Society of Friends burying Non-Quakers, I believe would likely indicate that the deceased had NO allegiance to the Church of England / Anglican.

Regards Mark

Hello All

My Hood saga has got a whole lot more interesting earlier this evening!

With the photos of a few Hull Muster Rolls, Claire has been searching Wills of persons linked etc., and I have been searching for information on the other Masters and the Owners of the Vessels sailed by John Hood of Selby (born Scarborough) Mariner, out of Hull.

A John HOOD and Martha DEAN, published Banns at St Mary's Scarborough in August 1781, but didn't marry there after the last Banns date (marriage missing).

John Hood sailed the Industry a Coaster out of Hull, 1781 to 1784 and then mixed sailings various owners, including Dean up to 1787.

The owner of the Vessel Industry and three other Sloops was John Dean a Cheesemonger, who died in December 1787.

When Dean's Son and Heir put the Four Sloops trading from Hull up for sale, they were advertised with Dean's House and a Calvinist Chapel at Gainsborough.

I need to try and find out if John Hood and Martha Dean got together and produced my ancestor George Hood?

It seems John Hood of Selby, Mariner, definitely had Nonconformist connections 1781 onward, with his Selby Landlord (also occupier of the Presbyterian Chapel) and now John DEAN the Owner of the boat John Hood was sailing, also owned the Calvinist Meeting House with his own House.

Mark