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I am new to Rootschat but would like to ask member's for their help please. It's a long standing one for me.
I am searching for my great great grandmother Mary Powell. I presume her dob would be early to mid 1820's but I am not sure. She may have been born in Herefordshire or around the London area. But this is what info I have so far:
My great grandmother Ann Powell was born illegitimately to Mary Powell and Henry Goodsell (I can trace him) in December 1847 in Notting Hill, Middlesex.
Ann or Annie Powell marries Richard Lloyd in 1872 in Llanigon nr Hay in 1872. I have the certificates so I know this is correct,
I can track Annie and Richard's numerous children and the family's movements in Herefordshire until the couples deaths.
What I have been trying to find, and these are the gaps- are two census returns - those being 1851 and 1861 for Annie and very importantly, to track her mother Mary at all but to no avail! I cannot track Mary at all.
Annie is described on a number of census returns as being born in Hay or Llanigon and only latterly are the correct details of Notting Hill are given on the returns.
Would anyone be able to point me in the right direct please. I have to admit, this is becoming a bit of an obsession with me.
Thank you :)
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Have you got an address for Henry on 1851 and on Ann's birth cert in the London area
Louisa Maud
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Hi,
Ann's address on her birth certificate is noted as she was born in Silver Street in the LB of Kensington, Paddington, and Fulham. Her mother Mary's address on the certificate is Aubrey Road, Kensington.
Henry Goodsell address in the 1851 census is 11 Ladbroke Terrace, St Mary's Abbotts, Kensington.
Thank you
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Welcome to Rootschat
I do wonder if Mary and her daughter is living somewhere in a household under a different name, have you checked the addresses on 1851 that you already have
Pity you don't know if Mary married, it would show up her father's name
Louisa Maud
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That's the thing, Mary's surname on the birth certificate is written down as Powell formerly Powell. I am unable to track her in the 1851 census. More confusingly is that her daughter Annie turns up in the 1871 census for Llanigon nr Hay on Wye.
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Are you suggesting she was married to a Powell before she had Ann(ie)?
Can't find a baptism so far in London either
LM
PS Henry Goodsell was a servant on 1851, it is possible Mary might have also been a servant who came to London to work, pity we don't know exactly where Mary was born
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Is she in Llanigon in 1851?
Anne Goodsel, 3, born London, with her Powell grandparents
piece 2491 folio 258 page 5
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I originally thought that too, but I've scoured the marriages and can't come up with anything apart from one in Fulham 1849 to a William Powell but the woman is called Catherine!
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Llanigon may be missing from the 1861 census?
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The only registration I can find is
1848 March qtr
Ann Powell
MMN Powell
Kensington/Fulham
I assume this is your Ann(ie), can't find any other registered 1849 under name of Ann(ie), registration wasn't compulsory
LM
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Yes, jonw65, it is my Ann(ie). Yes, I have that birth registration Louise.
Thank you to you and Louise! why didn't I see that?! You've both helped me so much. Now to find the elusive Mary but I have her parents now......
Thank you
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Sorry Louisa, for misspelling your name and thank you again
Kim
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Not to worry about the spelling
LM
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same family in Llanigon in 1841
Old House HO107/1370/18 folio 17 pg 7
Lemuel Powell 57 farmer
Ann 44
John 13
Catherine 11
Eliza 6
all born in county apart from Ann
Baptism for Mary in Llanigon 27 April 1823 dau of Lemuel, farmer, & Ann of Pen yr Henalt
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMMQ-F29
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it has been transcribed Samuel on 1851 and looks like that to me
But no Mary Ann, she might have been away in service or already in London
I suggest she used henry's surname as she might have l felt more comfortable than using her surname of Powell
LM
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Lemual Powell died in 1867 aged 83
LM
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pretty sure it's Lemuel and has been mistranscribed. He's Lemuel at burial 17 Nov 1867 abode Old House, Llanigon.
Marriage in Boughrood which is Ann's place of birth on 1851 census - 27 Sep 1816 Lemuel Powell & Ann Gunter, with consent of parents so Ann probably still a minor, witnesses William & Sarah Gunter.
Baptisms of children are on FreeReg and the marriage of a Lemuel Powell probably the father of this Lemuel. Lemuel senior died in 1819 and his will is on the NLW site
https://viewer.library.wales/1003635#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=-63%2C212%2C1801%2C1868
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Osprey. Thank you! I've actually been to Llanigon to have a look round. I'll have to go again!!
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Hopefully it is coming together but still no sighting of Mary
Can't find Lemuel on 1861 as yet
Louisa Maud
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Have fun!
Lemuel may be a bit of a problem as the name gets mistranscribed a lot. On the 1851 census the first letter in his name is the same as the first letter of Llanigon. The enumerator's S is different.
Just spotted his baptism in Llanigon 14 March 1784 son of Lemuel & Ann and yes, transcribed as Samuel!
red post - Llanigon is missing from 1861 as mentioned earlier.
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Thank you all
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I would like to thank you all again for your help. I have just found the details of Mary Powell, Ann's Mother and discovered that she died in 1849 in Llanigon. I wouldn't have cracked it without you. I did find it a rather sad ending.
Thank you again :)
Kim