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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: zx123 on Friday 21 April 17 19:55 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been trying to trace the line of my Welsh ancestors but I seem to have hit a brick wall. I have for them in every census except 1841 and 1861. I think I have also found them in the parish registers.
The family I am looking for are:
William Bevan, b, 1837, Rassau, Breconshire
Margaret Bevan, b, 1837,
Thomas Bevan, b,1866,
William Bevan, b, 1869
William Bevan, 1791, Llangattock?
Ann Bevan, 1801?
William Bevan, 1837
John Bevan, 1845
Jennet Bevan,1843
Could someone help me find them in the 1841 and 1861 census or in the Parish records for Llangattock?
Also if anyone has experience of researching these areas, could you tell me if it is known to be difficult?
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There are a number of enumeration books missing, or parts of enumeration books (usually start or finish), from the 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census.
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/census-for-england-wales-and-scotland-missing-pieces
1841 missing
1369 Breconshire Parish: Llanhamlach (Lower Division)
Llecfaen (Upper Division)
Parish: Vainor
Coed-y-Cymmar
Dyffrin
Gelli
Were William & Margaret married before the 1861 census or after?
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You say you have them on the 1851 in which case you will know that William's birthplace is not as given above. The family were in Monmouthshire in 1851 and John was born Bedwelty
William Bevan 59
Ann 49
William 12 b Llangunider/Llangynider Breconshire
John 6
Jennet 8 b Llangunider/Llangynider
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
I suppose what I am trying to do is to flesh out this line to see if I can find out any more information. I do get the feeling that official records for this branch are a bit sketchy, especially as you go further back, and their are a number of problems such as the similarity of names or missing census or parish record entries.
What I do know for certain is:
I have the family in the 1911, 1901, 1891, 1881, 1871 and 1851 census's.
I have a family in the Llangynidre parish records who seem to fit and I have the parish register entry for the marriage of William Bevan Jr to Margaret Griffiths in 1864.
According to the 1851 census William Bevan Sr was born in Llangattock in about 1791, but again no parish register entries that I can find.
I have the birth certificate for William Bevan Jr from 1837 and I have the marriage entry for William Bevan Sr to Ann Thomas from 1835.
I think the family may have been non conformists because William Bevan Jr and his wife were buried in the graveyard of an Independent chapel.
In 1851 they were living in the Beaufort area of Ebbw Vale, and from 1871 they were living in the Dukestown area of Tredegar.
Strangely, I have had trouble finding any parish register entries for William Bevan Jrs children including my great grandfather, who were all born between 1866 and 1874.
As you can see it is all very sketchy. I am beginning to wonder if this could be due to their non conformity and if this will prevent me from finding out anything more details.
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I have possibles from 1841 for you
Llangunider HO107/1366/16 folio 62 pg 10
William Bevan 35 collier
Ann 35
Jennett 1 month
all born in county
birth reg for Jennett Bevan jun qtr 1841 Crickhowell vol 26 pg 327 mother's maiden name Thomas - should be 9 in 1851, not 8
William with grandparents, not unusual for a child to be with relatives when there's a young baby in the house
Mason's Arms, Llangunider HO107/1366/17 folio 12 pg 16
John Thomas 60 publican
Jennett 60
Thomas 20
William Bevan 3
all born in county
Baptism for Ann Thomas (& her twin sister Mary) in Abergavenny 31 Aug 1802 daughters of John & Jennet of Frogmore Street
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCTL-31R
1851 census Mason's Arms Llangunider HO107/2490 folio 143 pg 18
John Thomas head mar 80 innkeeper employing 1 servant b. Breconshire, Cwmdu
Jennett wife 72 b. Llangunider
+ servant & lodger
Not unusual for families to become non-conformist and records from non-conformist churches of that time often don't survive or are not online. By the religious census of 1851, more than half of the population of Wales was non-conformist.
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possible burials in Llangunider
John Thomas bd 8 April 1856 aged 86 - village
Jennet Thomas bd 10 April 1857 aged 82 - village
William Bevan bd 14 April 1853 aged 60 - abode Tredegar
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Hi,
Thanks for the information, that looks very promising. I hadn't thought about the children staying with grandparents, but that opens up an all other avenue to look at. I thought they might be non conformity in this line because William Bevan Jr and his wife Margaret Griffiths were buried in the graveyard of an independent non conformist chapel in Beaufort in Ebbw Vale. I had previously looked for the baptism of William Bevan Sr's wife ann Thomas, but I was unable to find it.
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Thanks for your help,
I just thought that according to the 1851 census William Bevan Snr was 59 years so that would have made him 49 in 1841, a bit out for 35. Ann would have been 39 year old so that is closer. Some of the details seem to fit so I cant work that out, unless William Bevan got his own age wrong.
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the ages in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 for people over 15, so someone of 39 should show up as 35. Possibly William removed a few years to make his age nearer that of his wife. Not unheard of.
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If it's any help (I don't know if you know the area), Llangynidr, Llangattock, and Beaufort are all quite close, with the two former on the northern side of the mountain and Beaufort being on the southern side at the heads of the valleys. They would probably all have been within walking distance in those days!
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looking at the censuses again, the ages do actually correspond quite closely. Thanks very much for the suggestions about children and family members Osprey, that was a big leap forward in research, which I had been stumped on for a long time. Now I just have to try to go back further!
And thanks Greensleeves, I do now the area but its always surprising to think how far people traveled in those days.
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possible marriage in Llangynidr 29 May 1801 of John Thomas of Mickl Cumdy? & Jennet Davies otp, witnesses Wm & Evan Bevan, Wm Bevan witnessed several on the page so possibly the parish clerk.
The church in Llanfihangel Cwmdu was St Michaels so that may be what the person recording the marriage meant?
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Hi,
I wonder if somebody could post a link to the census entry for William, Ann and Jennett Bevan from 1841?
When I look for it, I cant seem to find them,
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FamilySearch's version - William seems to have been added to the household above
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77F-9L2
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77F-9LV
transcribed as Broon on Ancestry
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Thank you.