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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Forfarian on Monday 24 April 17 11:42 BST (UK)
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Having tracked down the death of John Beatty (see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=706313) I am now totally confused about where he was born.
His marriage certificate says that his father was John Beattie and his mother Sarah Ganley or Gauley.
His death certificate says that his father was William Beattie and his mother was Sarah, surname unknown, and that he was born on 17 March 1872 in Ireland. The informant was his son George who, three years later, did not know the names of his maternal grandparents, and was wrong about when his mother was born, so cannot be relied on to get his paternal grandparents right.
NI Direct has an index listing for John Beatty, mother Gauley, reference Lisnaskea U/1871/156/1019/3/152.
Irish Genealogy has a certificate of birth registered in the District of Roslea, Union of Clones, County of Fermanagh and Monaghan. No mention of Lisnaskea. This certificate gives the date of birth of John, son of John Beatty and Sarah Gauley or Ganley, as 27 February 1871. The birthplace is hard to read but is something like Greagha Capple.
If I look at the townlands of County Monaghan, the closest match seems to be Greaghlattacapple, in the Barony of Farney, Civil Parish of Magheross, and Poor Law Union of Carrickmacross. No mention of Clones or Roslea.
Wikipedia says that Roslea is a Catholic parish in County Fermanagh. The Irish Times maps suggest that the civil parish of Clones is roughly contiguous with the Catholic parish of Roslea.
So I am, to say the least, rather confused about where John Beatty or Beattie was actually born, and why NI Direct indexes the birth under Lisnaskea, which appears to be neither a civil nor a Catholic parish.
Can anyone familiar with the detailed geography of this part of Ireland throw any light on the matter please?
PS No need to spend time finding siblings for John or tracing his parents back. He is not a blood relative of mine; it is his wife and children who are related to me, not John himself.
Extract from birth certificate attached.
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Greaghacapple is a townland in Co. Fermanagh, in the parish of Clones, and (pre 1922) in Clones civil registration district. Today it's probably within the Lisnaskea registration area, and so the birth has probably been recorded within that set of records, post partition. (The registration districts often crossed the county boundaries, and so the records had to be split when the Republic of Ireland was created on 1.1.1922). If you pay to see the Lisnaskea record, I suspect it'll be the same one.
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The post at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/FERMANAGH-GOLD/2013-08/1375790392 seems to be the same family, and concurs with it being Greaghacapple in Fermanagh, rather than Greaghlattacapple in Monaghan.
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http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/54.2521/-7.2385 shows the townland . The Drumshancorick Road above it, runs to/from Roslea/Rosslea.
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His parents in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Dresternian/Greaghacapple/1362022/
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Thank you both. That's very helpful.
I'd be astonished if the NI version isn't identical to the online one.