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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: GeriK64 on Monday 24 April 17 13:46 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm trying to find any marriage or death records for my grandmothers sister Elizabeth O'Brien known as Cissie, I have her on the 1911 census residing in Westport, aged 7, but cannot find any other trace of her. Any help would be appreciated. ;)
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Is this her
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Westport__Urban/Cloonmonad/749106/
What was her father's name and was he still alive?
His information is need to confirm any marriage record found.
This would be the place to have a look
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Although she may be too young to appear in those records and if she moved it would be difficult to know where to look.
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IF it is.. born Philadelphia.
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2 others in Cloonmonad born America!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Westport__Urban/Cloonmonad/749078/
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Thomas Lambert and Lizzie Walsh a widow 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10038/5651448.pdf
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Daniel ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKD8-VPD1
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Hello,
I'm trying to find any marriage or death records for my grandmothers sister Elizabeth O'Brien known as Cissie, I have her on the 1911 census residing in Westport, aged 7, but cannot find any other trace of her. Any help would be appreciated. ;)
I can see a marriage for brother Daniel. Is your grandmother Marie in the census? Did she move away? I wondered if the girls left in adulthood.
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Thank you everyone for your replies.
I have all the information on the rest of the family, she returned with her mother Lizzie and twin brother Daniel from South Dakota as her father was killed in an accident in the homesteak gold mine. Lizzie remarried a Lambert and moved to Scotland. Daniel and Cissie stayed in Westport, or at least I thought she stayed in Westport, now I'm not so sure. I have tried the civil records for a marriage but no luck.
I appreciate everyone's help :)
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Cissie can be short for a few names!!
http://www.GenesReunited.com.au/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/888493
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Apparently Daniel married 'somewhere',...... so could she have been there with him?? Maybe she married at this 'somewhere' too!
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Apparently Daniel married 'somewhere',...... so could she have been there with him?? Maybe she married at this 'somewhere' too!
Hallmark,
Here is the 'somewhere' in Westport
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1937/08897/5217652.pdf
As I wrote, I can't see a record for Elizabeth there as yet.
Heywood
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Hi Hallmark,
Daniel married in 1936 Westport, this was the family home. I couldn't find any record of a marriage for her.
:) :)
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Have you tried Scottish records? Maybe she moved with her mother.
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Hi Heywood,
Thanks, yes I'm in Scotland as my grandmother Marie, came over with Lizzie her mother. Cissie and Daniel stayed in Westport.
Geri
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Do you have Daniel's death in Westport?
Any obituaries?
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Do you know a time period for when Lizzie and Marie went to Scotland
This would be a starting point for knowing when Cissie was still living
There is a possibility that she never married or indeed became a religious
Also, as with one of my elusives, changed her name!
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Maybe it would be worth looking at the Walsh family from 1911 census Elizabeth may appear as a witness or informant on one of their Certs.
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Maybe it would be worth looking at the Walsh family from 1911 census Elizabeth may appear as a witness or informant on one of their Certs.
Good thinking Sinann
John WALSH died Aug 3rd 1948 informant Cissie O'BRIEN niece LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1948/04554/4201955.pdf) #118
at this time Cissie would have been 44 years old approx and based on her name unmarried
FTR
Mary WALSH died Dec 10 1920 informant Daniel O'BRIEN grandson LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05101/4401707.pdf) #426
Thomas WALSH died May 23 1922 informant son LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05071/4390726.pdf) #84
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Well done - brilliant finds :)
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Hello again,
You are only asking re Cissie so perhaps you are still in contact with family in Westport? Although, if you were you would know about her, wouldn't you. ;)
They were remembered in masses in 2015 - http://www.mayo.ie/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WESTPORT-PARISH-NEWSLETTER-11-19-april.pdf
and here are photos of the grave of Dan O'Brien, Westport - possibly/likely to be him.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jzw/
there are two, the one linked and the following.
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very good Heywood
Obviously someone in Westport quite recently was thinking of them
I had thought looking at the photo of the grave that Cissie may have been the nun but the mass remembrance would have referred to her as Sr. I am sure if this was the case
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That's what I thought. They have mentioned the widow so surely a nun relative would have been named.
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Also, myluck, in the memorial mass, she would have been referred to as a religious, wouldn't she.
You said that already ::)
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Possibly she would have been named but she could have been visiting and therefore not known
But she also may have been Dan's daughter
editted to add
Just noticed that one of the servers named on that Mass leaflet was named Ava Lambert
Also the bulletin for 24.04.2011 also remembers them LINK (http://www.westportparish.ie/images/stories/newsletter/WESTPORT_PARISH_NEWSLETTER__DRUMMIN__24_04_11.pdf)
I would take from this that there is some one who has a mass said every year and the parish maybe able to help put them in touch
Just to note this person may not necessarily be based in Westport I know people who moved away from their home towns but had annual prayers/masses said in the original location where people knew them rather than some where else.
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some great photos on that site but I only got to 70/1293 and now I have to go out!
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Hi Heywood, Myluck,
I really appreciate all the kindness in what you have found for me, last night I spoke with the only relative that's left on the O'Brien side of the family. she could confirm that Cissie never married and lived with her uncle John Walsh, but she was too young to remember what happened to her. the information you have given confirms this, I have visited the grave of my uncle Dan, now we are hoping that she in interred in this cemetery also and will check the next time we visit. Sadly we didn't know any of the Walsh side of the family.
Thanks again for all your help.
Geri
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Thanks again, I have looked at the photos and Mass bulletins. I'm so happy. ;D ;D
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Myluck, my one and only remaining aunt, who resides here in Scotland has the Mass said for them when she is in Westport. ;D
Geri
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I did say it happens!!!
I have American relatives that have Masses said here in Ireland for their relatives that never left
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August 15th 1968
O'Brien Elizabeth (Cissie)
The Quay Westport
At her residence deeply and deservedly regretted by her sister,sisters in law. nephews and nieces and a large circle of friends. RIP
Mayo News August 1968.
Dan her brother died Feb 1967 his address was also the Quay, Cissie probably lived with them.
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Thank you Owenwee.
That's a really good help for Geri, I'm sure.
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Owenwee,
Thank you so much, you have made my day. My aunt will be so pleased. ;D ;D ;D
Geri
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Hi Owenwee,
Are the Mayo News Obituaries available on-line?
Geri
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Geri
The site is called Irishnewspapers Archieve.com It's a subscription site though.
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Geri
I have looked for the death notice of Dan's wife Nora online but cant see one. If you have visited Dan's grave in last few years has Nora's inscription been added ?
You could try St Marys church Westport and give them Cissies date of death they may be able to tell you if she is buried in same grave,or give you information who looks after the Aughvale Cemetery. The photo shows a large plot so most likely buried together as a family.
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Hi Owenwee,
I emailed South Mayo Heritage Centre, the lady was very helpful she confirmed that Cissie was interred in Aughaval cemetery beside John Walsh.
So that was more good news.
Thanks again
Geri
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Geri
That's good news.
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Geri
That's good news.
I agree, what a great result. :)