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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Mamsoth on Wednesday 26 April 17 16:42 BST (UK)
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I'm just looking at a record entry on Scotlands people, the district name is given as "High Church", I can't seem to find where that is, can anyone help?
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This probably refers to the Edinburgh parish of that name, but there would usually be sufficient other information on the record, or the header, to confirm this.
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Or perhaps the former Registration District of that name in Glasgow.
Imber
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This probably refers to the Edinburgh parish of that name, but there would usually be sufficient other information on the record, or the header, to confirm this.
Hi Sonofthom, alas there is no further info on the header and I was hoping to find out a location before purchasing the record as...well...they aren't cheap ;D
Thanks for the suggestion
***Hi Imber, I was hoping it was in Glasgow, the person in the record dies in 1865. I think I will just have to purchase the record to find out for sure***
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Just bit the bullet and it turns out...it was Glasgow :P
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This probably refers to the Edinburgh parish of that name, but there would usually be sufficient other information on the record, or the header, to confirm this.
'High Church' was a registration district (not a parish quoad sacra) in Glasgow between 1855 and 1874. There was no such parish or registration district in Edinburgh.
St Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh (which is not, strictly speaking, a cathedral because it is not the seat of a bishop) if often referred to as the High Kirk of Edinburgh, but the name does not extend to the parish. The registration districts in Edinburgh between 1855 and 1874 included
Canongate 1859-1938
Colinton 1855-1932
Corstorphine 1855-1932
Cramond 1855-1932
Duddingston 1855-1896
Holyrood and Canongate 1855-1858
Liberton 1855-1920
Portobello 1855-1938
St Andrew 1859-1971
St George 1859-1919
St Giles 1855-1971
and, at the risk of drawing down upon myself the wrath of people in Leith who know that it was a separate place from Edinburgh,
Leith North 1855-1935
Leith South 1855-1935
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The reference number on the record possibly would have helped identify the locality before you paid to view the record.
The registration district forms part of the record reference number and you can look up those numbers here:
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/statutory-registers/registration-districts
Nell
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The reference number on the record possibly would have helped identify the locality before you paid to view the record.
The registration district forms part of the record reference number and you can look up those numbers here:
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/statutory-registers/registration-districts
Nell
Thanks Nell, I never realised that. Really good to know
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Just bit the bullet and it turns out...it was Glasgow :P
The easiest way to have found out (after you saw High Church) would be not to use the 'all areas' option & use Lanark (includes Glasgow) which would have brought High Church up i.e. you would know it wasn't Edinburgh or anywhere else.
In your case of not being sure, if there are place names which feature in 2 different areas it will have those areas in brackets to differentiate.
Hope that makes sense?
Annie
Added, Just read Nell's equally good advice which I'd forgotten about probably because I haven't had to use it yet :P
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I found my ancestors on an 1851 census record in Scotland. The parish is listed as "High Church." Along the top of the record it also says "Within the limits of the Royal Burgh - Edinburgh" and "Town of Edinburgh."
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Hi Bidole - I think you might be looking for St Giles! Even has a map on the link below!
http://www.stgilescathedral.org.uk
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Hello jaybelnz,
I'm new to rootschat and I thought I was replying to the original poster. He/she asked the question regarding High Church. I was just saying that my ancestors lived in that area in 1851. Thank you for your response though. My 2nd great grandparents were married at St. Cuthberts :)
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Hello jaybelnz,
I'm new to rootschat and I thought I was replying to the original poster. He/she asked the question regarding High Church. I was just saying that my ancestors lived in that area in 1851. Thank you for your response though. My 2nd great grandparents were married at St. Cuthberts :)
Lots of potential for confusion. See my previous reply on Page 1 of this thread.
There was a registration district in Glasgow named 'High Church'.
The pre-Reformation St Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh is often referred to as the 'High Kirk' because there are no bishops in the Church of Scotland post-Reformation so it is not technically a cathedral now.
So the 'High Church' where your ancestors were in 1851 is not the same as the one the original poster asked about.
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Glasgow Cathedral is the High Church & unlike St Giles is a real cathedral! ;D
Skoosh.
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Glasgow Cathedral is the High Church & unlike St Giles is a real cathedral! ;D
How do you make that out? It is Church of Scotland and therefore it is not the seat of a bishop. Same applies to Brechin Cathedral, St Magnus Cathedral, Dunblane Cathedral, St Machar Cathedral, Dunkeld Cathedral and probably others - they were all the seats of bishops before the Reformation, all taken over by the (Presbyterian) Church of Scotland and therefore all no longer have bishops. A building can't be a 'real' cathedral without a bishop. Glasgow Cathedral (aka St Mungo's or St Kentigern's) is in exactly the same situation as St Giles and the rest of them - a pre-Reformation building which was the seat of a (Roman Catholic) bishop, and is now used by the Church of Scotland.
There is a post-Reformation Roman Catholic cathedral in Glasgow, and there is a post-Reformation Roman Catholic cathedral in Edinburgh, and there are also Episcopal cathedrals in both cities. All of those are 'real' cathedrals because they are the seats of bishops.
Glasgow Cathedral's unique claim to fame is that it, unlike St Giles, survived the Reformation undamaged.
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Glasgow Cathedral was built as a cathedral & its Archbishop had jurisdiction over half of Scotland it is the most important religious building in the country, St Andrews being a ruin. St Giles, however historic it might be, & unlike the other cathedrals you mention, was not built as a cathedral & never the seat of a Catholic bishop, Edinburgh being part of Archdiocese of of St Andrews.
Glasgow had Episcopalian Archbishops intermittently between the Reformation & the Revolution when they were abolished. St Giles is gets the name of a cathedral as it too had Episcopalian prelates at that time.
Glasgow has four cathedrals & as the latest poll on Scots has only a quarter of them consider themselves at all religious, by your reckoning we shall have no cathedrals at all before very long, real or otherwise!
Skoosh.
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Thank you for enlightening me further.
We do seem to have rather an oversupply of religious buildings, one way and another, in Scotland. With a population of only five million or so, no wonder so many churches have been demoted or unfrocked or disestablished.
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Four I can think of in Glasgow are now concert venues & great acoustics too! ;D
Skoosh.
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For the benefit of the neighbours let's hope that the walls are solid enough to keep the concerts inside the buildings. :)