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Title: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Tuesday 02 May 17 08:00 BST (UK)
I am looking for any information on the above family.
Information so far: George Robert Clark(Clarke) 1882 Folkstone, Kent , Mariner Partner Rose lived for awhile in London area. (Cockney) All children born London when Rose at least moved to Orsett, Essex with her children and married William J. Sutton  in 1927 in Orsett, Essex.
Children: Rose
              Dorothy (Doll) Married Unknown
              Robert , Married Florrie
              Frederick (Fred) Married Unknown Had a son Colin and  had a Waste Removal Business in
              Thurrock area which he and his son ran. Colin I believe had his own Plane.
              William Edward Clark Circa 1913 London Married Ruth Bearman and had 3 children who
              have no information on the family.
              William's Twin Brother  Died at Birth 1913 London
              Walter Married Violet
 I have been unable to find a marriage for George and Rose or the children's births.
 George is Interred in West Ham Cemetery.

Any information on this family would be very much appreciated
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 09:41 BST (UK)
Any idea of the maiden name of Rose

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 02 May 17 09:49 BST (UK)
do you have the marriage cert for Rose Clark and William J Sutton -this should give Rose's father's name

according to 1939 register free search Rose was b 1871??

Suz
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 10:02 BST (UK)
Clark(e) in London is difficult, any ideas where in London the births took place 1913

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 10:56 BST (UK)
You can check births Clark mothers maiden name Bearman  on www,freebmd.org.uk, can't mention them on an open board as they could still be alive but it looks  as if there were 3 children born in Thurrock area

Louisa Maud



Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Tuesday 02 May 17 11:17 BST (UK)
Thank you so much.
I had noticed that Rose was possibly born 1871. However that would make her 42 years when her first child was born. I found George on the 1911 Census in Kent. He was 29 years and single, living alone a Mariner working on Collier Boats.
Sadly I am unaware of Rose's Maiden name and wonder about the Rose Clarke who married Sutton if Clarke was indeed her maiden name. Still, I have been unable to trace all these children with one mother's maiden name either on Ancestry, Find My Past or LDS records.
I am in touch with William and Rose Bearman's 3 children who are Roger, Deidre and Malcolm but they are unable to throw any further light on their Grandparents other than what they have given me above. Malcolm say's his father William Edward was born 4 June 1913 but I am unable to trace this record.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 11:26 BST (UK)
I do wonder if they were born named Clark

What a shame you have so little information

Rose was a lot older than George it would appear

Then her husband William appears to be a lot older than her by some 14 years

I found George living alone 1911

Have you got the marriage cert for Rose and William Sutton?

Has any of the children born to Rose got their original birth certs, I suspect they might not be born Clark's, I can't find anything that matches up with the surname

Where was William Edward born, that would give us a clue

Louisa Maud

Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 02 May 17 12:52 BST (UK)
With so little information can I ask how you know that Rose's husband/partner was named George Robert Clark?   I ask because you state that George was buried in West Ham but cannot find a death for a George R. Clark in West Ham???   (can only find a George E. bc.1880 who died in 1924, 3 years before Rose married William J. Sutton).

Just wondered how George's full name is known and can you tell us when he died?

Annette

Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Tuesday 02 May 17 13:43 BST (UK)
Hi
William Edward Clark's daughter knew her Grandfather was George and a Mariner also that he was
Interred in West Ham Cemetery. She had assumed he died young but then said his death would have made him 78 years so that would make his death in the 1960's.
I found him on the National Archives at Kew. From the information I collected he was born Clarke but dropped the E on the 1911 Census.
William's son said his father was born within the sound of Bow Bells so a true Cockney. I also wonder if the Rose who married Sutton could be a later marriage than the one found in 1927. I Guess something happened within the family not to talk about George ever.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 13:46 BST (UK)
Rose being a first time mother at a possible age of 42 and then going on to have more children, six it looks like,  would take her child bearing years to over 50 ish, unless somewhere I have missed something

Has Rose ever been on a census together with George Clark(e)?

Can't find any births that might fit in, also the child who died 1913 if we knew his name we might be able to tie the 2 births together and come up with a maiden name shown after 1911

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Tuesday 02 May 17 13:50 BST (UK)
No other information sadly available. I agree about the age of having children so I feel Rose 1871 must be incorrect.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 13:53 BST (UK)
Oh dear, we all like  a challenge

So perhaps the Rose who married William Sutton might be wrong then??

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Tuesday 02 May 17 14:47 BST (UK)
Your seem to be going just from family hearsay at the moment and this is just not adding up.

The one definite fact is that William Edward Clark married Ruth Bearman in 1935.

I think you need to get a copy of this marriage certificate to a) confirm the name/occupation given for his father (and whether deceased) and b) his address at the time.   This address can then be checked against the 1939 Register to see if other known family members are there.

Without some definite 'proof' everything that you and we here suggest is just conjecture.   Not enough specifics are currently known to pinpoint any of the individuals concerned. 

Annette



Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 15:23 BST (UK)
It is times like these I wish I had my subscription to SEAX to look at the church ledgers, Like you Annette I have tried every which way but coming up with NOTHING
LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 15:49 BST (UK)
POSSIBLES
William John Sutton  married Caroline Felton, she was born circa 1864
death for Caroline 1926 aged 64 which give William  time to marry Rose

William J died 1946 aged 88

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 02 May 17 16:14 BST (UK)
Is it possible that Rose Sutton married again after William John died in in 1946

Found a marriage Thurrock
Rose Sutton to Harry Scott 1952
then found a death Thurrock 1957 aged 86 for Rose  Scott D of B = 1871 ??


Supposition on my part but surely someone must know when the mother died ?

This doesn't help finding the births of the children but it might solve the date of Rose's birth if this is correct

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Wednesday 03 May 17 08:34 BST (UK)
Hi
It was said that Rose married several time. I had a look at that also and it all seems to fit. The feeling was that Rose & George's separation was due to drink after WW1. So, who was Rose ?
I found a Death for a Walter E.D. Clark Circa 11 August 1914 -1993 in Thurrock Essex. Was this William's brother I wonder? Again I couldn't find the same mother for William & Walter or any of the others.
Rose the daughter was unmarried and had one arm ? cause.
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 08:50 BST (UK)
I must admit because of the age of Rose's first child's  birth I had wondered whether in fact Rose had been married before and was childless until she met George

But from what you said George was shown as single and  still in Folkestone on 1911, I did look at it myself and he was alone, I wonder what he was doing in London to have met and fathered so many children, I assume mariners stay coastal but then again he could have come into the port of London docks,

Pity we don't know where Rose came from and also a marriage cert would be handy

Because of such a common surname it was difficult to marry up 2 registration numbers for the twins to narrow it down, then to search for the twin who died

Any more information would be handy

I got in touch with a friend who is a Clarke and hails from Thurrock area but he didn't recognise any of the names, shame as I thought I was on a lead

And so the search goes on

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Wednesday 03 May 17 09:02 BST (UK)
William Edward Clark lived in ? Stanford-Le-Hope area and died in  2003. I found a death in Brentford Essex which his son confirmed as his father. His wife Ruth Bearman also died 2003 both within a few months of each other.
About William Edward Clark
 William Edward Clark

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
 Name William Edward Clark
 Event Type Death Registration
 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
 Registration Year 2003
 Registration District Brentwood
 County Essex
 Event Place Brentwood, Essex, England
 Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969)
 05 Jun 1913
 Volume 4661B
 Page B63B

His son is asking his sister if she has their parents wedding Cert.
Thanks
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 09:26 BST (UK)
That's a shame, I thought certs had place of birth on them

I have looked at Clark in the areas I assume are "Cockney" areas, you said Rose was a cockney, nothing shows up with 11 different maiden names  and 10 registration districts in London, no luck so far

Will await further info from you

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Wednesday 03 May 17 11:01 BST (UK)
Hi

I don't know where Rose was from except her son William Edward Clark was born 4/6/1913 within the sound of Bow Bells so as they say a true Cockney.

Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 12:51 BST (UK)
Strange, I have been through every area leaving out the Clark name but using William E, still no joy

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 13:12 BST (UK)
Walter E D Clark married Violet Gladys Robinson
Chelmsford 1933 June qtr

Is this the Violet  ?

LM

Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Wednesday 03 May 17 15:14 BST (UK)
Hi
Yes I wondered if that is Walter & Violet. I was also looking at Robert W Clark marrying Florence McDonald in 1940 Southend on Sea.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 03 May 17 16:01 BST (UK)
Possible birth?
June 1913 W. Ham 4a 462
Clark, William Edward
mother Ayling

Other Clark's, mother Ayling, include
Florence Rosie, Sep 1899, West Ham
Albert George Clark, Dec 1900, West Ham
Frederick Henry Clark, Dec 1909, West Ham
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 03 May 17 16:10 BST (UK)
Maybe William Edward was the last born?

If this is the same couple, they are certainly moving house regularly -
1928 electoral register, Chadwell St Mary, Essex
66 The Dwellings
William John Sutton
Rose Sutton

1929, Chadwell St Mary
98 Montreal Road
William John Sutton
Rose Sutton
Alfred Charles Clarke
Albert George Clarke

1930, Chadwell St Mary
25 Brennan Road
William James (!) Sutton
Rose Sutton
Alfred Charles Clark

1931, Chadwell St Mary
139 The Dwellings
William John Sutton
Rose Sutton
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 03 May 17 16:37 BST (UK)
Just continuing to find out where this family takes us
1901, West Ham
piece 1583 folio 167 page 31
15 Fife Rd
Albert G Clark Head 24 Dock Laborer, born Essex Colchester
Rose Clark Wife 28 Worthing
Florence Clark Daur 17 mo Essex West Ham
Albert G Clark Son 3 mo Essex West Ham
Harriet Clark Sister 11 Essex West Ham
+ a boarder

There's an 1898 marriage in West Ham of an Albert George Clark. A potential spouse is Rose, but Brown not Ayling.

There's a death of an Albert George Clark in West Ham in 1906, age 30

And -
Dec qtr 1923 in West Ham, Albert George Clark, age 48
Potential burial, 26 November 1923, authority Newham (deceased online)
I believe that he was buried at West Ham Cemetery.
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 16:38 BST (UK)
This family might belong to
Albert and Rose Clark, that is all I can say a the moment !!!

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 16:39 BST (UK)
This is becoming a complete puzzle

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 03 May 17 17:05 BST (UK)
Search of the 1939 Register free index
In Thurrock U.D.
Albert G Clark, born 1900
living with Beatrice R Clark

Alfred C Clark, born 1906
living with Violet M Clark
(can't find a birth reg for him)

Death -
October 1999 Thurrock
Albert George Clark
d-o-b 14 Oct 1900

March qtr 1946 Thurrock
Sutton, William John
age 88

Is it possible that Rose married again? Not sure that there is an obvious death as Sutton.
Dec 1952 Thurrock - Rose Sutton to Harry Scott

Death, June 1957 Thurrock
Scott, Rose
age 86
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 03 May 17 17:16 BST (UK)
This is becoming a complete puzzle

It is! And it may turn out to be the wrong family in West Ham, but at least we can see them! It looks possible that after Albert's death, presumably in 1923, Rose Clark nee Ayling did indeed move away to the Thurrock area with most of those children.
That marriage certificate to William Sutton would help, I think.
John
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 03 May 17 20:40 BST (UK)
JANE , DO YOU RECOGNISE THIS THIS NAME

there is a Queennie Clarke born 1905, mother's maiden name Brown living with other siblings with the mother's maiden name of Ayling

Queenie married Lloyd Armstrong 1925, they had one son but Queenie then married again to Edward Pease 1969

All in Thurrock

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 04 May 17 02:57 BST (UK)
We'll soon know for sure as having spent hours on this family yesterday I ordered the birth certificate of William Edward Clark mmn Ayling and hopefully this will be the right birthdate and confirm parents names ensuring the right family has been found.  (Frustration got to me, I'm afraid).

If this is the right family, father 'George', mariner was actually Albert George, Dock Labourer, but childrens names don't quite match up with what was stated as can't find a Dorothy, Robert or Walter, only:

'Rose' could be Florence Rosie b.1899 Custom House mmn Ayling
Albert George b.1900 Custom House mmn Ayling
Queenie Louisa b.1904  Custom House (mmn Brown)
Alfred Charles b.1906 Leytonstone (mmn Brown)
Frederick Henry b.1909 Custom House (mmn Ayling)
William Edward b.5/6/1913 (mmn Ayling)

Will post as soon as I receive the birth certificate which will confirm the above (or not)!

According to census, this Rose was bc.1872 Worthing, Sussex (but there is no birth registration) and her parents are John Ayling bc.1847 Didling, Sussex (although he states Chichester in 1881) and Harriet bc.1856 Worthing BUT there is no marriage between a John Ayling and a Harriet and perhaps Harriet's maiden name was Brown which would therefore be Rose's 'legal' surname and why she married in that name.   Whilst using 'Ayling' on 4 of childrens births, another 2 shown as 'Brown'.

In 1891 Rose seems to be working as a servant but John, Harriet (and other dau. Jane) have with them Harriet, 4mos., granddaughter - this has to be Rose's child.

Birth certificate will confirm if the above is all correct.

Annette 
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Thursday 04 May 17 07:24 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone
M knows for sure his father William Edward Clark was born 5 June 1913 in London within the sound of Bow Bells. He was a Twin. The Twin died at birth.
William E. Clark married Ruth Bearman 1935 St Clements Church, Orsett, West Thurrock.
Ruth died first in 2003 and William Edward in hospital in Orsett within 3 months. Death registered in Brentwood.
William E Clark's daughter says her grandfather was George a Mariner. She and her other brother will meet shortly to sort out what information they have.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 04 May 17 07:48 BST (UK)
Annette I agree with yours and Jons finding but it still doesn't find the missing 3

Deaths same quarter that William was born West Ham 1913 June qtr
only list 2

Ada R  Maiden name of mother Good 
and
Hillyar, maiden name of  Boreham


I can only assume this child was a still born child in which case it wouldn't be listed

Look forward to any other info you can find Joan

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Thursday 04 May 17 08:56 BST (UK)
Hi
Frederick apparently had a "Tipping Business" in the Thurrock Area. The holes left by the bombing were filled with rubble from the London areaI guess, then the area leveled and sold as grazing land. What metal found was resold as scrap. His son Colin worked with his father Fred. It was said that Colin had also being a Boxer. It must have been very lucrative for Colin to have his own Plane. Colin should still be alive. I don't know about Fred.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 04 May 17 09:01 BST (UK)
I know my own father (born 1920) was a twin and the other had died in the womb.   There is nothing on my fathers own birth certificate to even indicate this.

Annette
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 04 May 17 09:22 BST (UK)
Possible death of Fred 1972 but date of birth given as 11/12/1908 so not 100% sure, death Thurrock

Son Frederick A G died 1986 born 19/11/1930 death Barking
Son Alan Gary died 1976 born 28/12/1933 death Havering


Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 04 May 17 10:08 BST (UK)
From what I can see Frederick Henry Clark married a Doris Stephenson Mar.qtr.1930 Orsett but she must have been either a widow or divorced.   Her surname appears to have been mistranscribed sometimes on childrens births:

Doris Beetson b.25/12/1902 (birth reg'd Mar.1903 Prestwich, Lancashire, d.1969 Thurrock) married a William J. Stephenson Jun.1919 Prestwich and at least 1 son Ronald born 6/5/1924 Prestwich, d.1990 Thurrock.   By 1930 Doris and her son are in Essex where she marries Frederick Henry Clark - children found:

Frederick A G b.19/11/1930, d.1986 - mmn Beatson
Colin b.1932, d.2002 - mmn Beetson
Alan Gary born 28/12/1933, d.1976 - mmn Beetson
Possible dau. (probably still living)  born 1937 - mmn Bettson

Annette

Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 04 May 17 11:10 BST (UK)
Walter Clark death 1993 Thurrock only gives a Christian name of Walter, born 11/08/1914

LM

Added
Ancestry ER's
1937
9 Quinns Bldgs Popham St Islington
Maud Clark
Walter
Rhoda

Louisa Maud

Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 04 May 17 12:25 BST (UK)
We haven't yet discovered if Walter was a sibling to William yet, have we?

If Walter on London ER's is the son of Rhoda Clark then perhaps he wasn't related, I have tried to look for marriages of a  Rhoda to a Clark, so far have come up with 4 1901-1905
maiden names 
Ovel
Blackman
Hedge
Morrell

I then found a Walter born 1914 with mothers maiden name  Ovel

Still looking

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Thursday 04 May 17 14:24 BST (UK)
Thank you all for your help.
Walter(Wal) Clark was definitely a sibling of William.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 04 May 17 14:33 BST (UK)
Strange we can't find a registration that fits

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 05 May 17 19:18 BST (UK)
Think I've found 'Walter' and that he was actually Alfred Charles Clark - he was born 15/9/1907 (one of the ones whose mmn shown as Brown rather than Ayling).

Birth is as Alfred Charles, marriage is as Alfred C. Clark to Violet M. Scott in 1930 Gravesend, Kent - Violet was Violet Maud Scott b.30/1/1910 and a Kent lass.

By 1939 Alfred Charles and Violet Maud are living in Essex in the same area as his family but at some point they clearly returned to Kent where they both subsequently died.

Violet Maud Clark b.30/1/1910 died in 1991 Gravesend, Kent

Alfred Walter C. Clark b.15/9/1907, died May 1993 Gravesend, Kent

I would imagine that for whatever reason Alfred Charles was known as Walter and that whoever notified his death (2 years after his wife died) incorporated that into his name.

Annette
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 05 May 17 19:52 BST (UK)
Wow Annette, why on earth was he called Walter

I am not sure I believe that Walter E D belonged to Albert and Rose anyway as this Walter was born in Islington to another  with maiden name Ovel, he is living with his mother Rhoda and sister Maud in Middleton Bldgs Islington 1930's

Like you I have spent a long time on this getting nowhere whilst you,  hopefully have  cracked it, good detective work Annette.

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Monday 08 May 17 08:50 BST (UK)
Hi All. You are doing fantastic research for me which is much appreciated.
Rose was born in Worthing. George is still a Mariner but I feel that he was in fact a Docker. George died 7/3/1933 at age of 79 years (Doesn't fit with what we have so far) and interred in West Ham Cem.
Rose in a newspaper cutting when she married Harry Scott at the age of 81 states she has 13 children,23 Grand-children and 16 Great-children. It's difficult enough trying to find 7 never mind 13 children.
Frederick lived in Aveley , Essex had a son Alan, a Boxer died at age of 23-27 years in a fatal Road Traffic Accident on his Motorbike. He had a Helicopter. Frederick also had a daughter,
Walter had 2 boys and lived in Gravesend Kent. I think you cracked that with Alfred Charles Walter Clark m Violet Scott. Well done.
Doll. m Armstrong had 3 children, Gwen, Marjorie, And a Boy ? name.
Rose married a Mr Jex and had 2 daughters one named Beatrice.
There was also another daughter of Georges /rose namef Frances Louise who married someone named Damenack.

Hope you can help me unravel some more,
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 08 May 17 09:44 BST (UK)
"Doll. m Armstrong had 3 children, Gwen, Marjorie, And a Boy ? name"

I think it was Queenie Louise who married Lloyd Armstrong who appears to have died in 1937 Orsett aged 38

Queenie L married Lloyd 1925

Queenie and Lloyd had
Lloyd born 1925
Marjorie 1927
Gwendoline 1929

Queenie married Edward Pease 1969

I cannot find a Dorothy that fits in, 13 children to Rose?,

The surname Damenack I cannot find at all so far

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 08 May 17 10:07 BST (UK)
here we go again !!!!, surely not

Beatrice Edith Mabel Jex born 1886 West Ham MMN BROWN

B E M Jex died 20/03/1974 Wivenhoe

This child appears in a family by the name of Barker, then later as a step daughter to Barker, surely this is a coincidence

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Monday 08 May 17 12:43 BST (UK)
The confusing aspect here is that joanearls keeps referring to the names she knows them by and not what we have so far proved they were really called.

Rose's daughter 'Rose' was actually Florence Rosie at birth and Florence Rose when she died.   She married a John Frederick Jex in June quarter 1919 Orsett - they appear to have had 7 daughters BUT not one of them is named Beatrice or has even 'B' for their second name.

As to the Beatrice Edith Mabel Jex found by louisamaud - this is a 'red herring'.   She and older brother William (William Philip) b.1880 are in fact children of a Harry John Jex and an Agness Brown who married in 1877.   Harry died in 1888 and probably the reason that William and sister Beatrice are with Alice Barker in 1891.    Agnes Jex married an Edwin Barker in Jun.1891 and one would assume that Alice Barker is a relative of his.   

joanearls - as we keep saying, 'George, mariner' was actually an Albert George, docker - he was bc.1875 and died in Dec.qtr.1923 West Ham and Rose Clark, nee Brown, was a widow when she married William J. Sutton.  It's more than possible that on a day to day basis he went by the name of George.  By the last available census Albert George and Rose had had 6 children, one of whom had died - with the next being William Edward in 1913 (when Rose was c.43) there is no way she had another 6 children after 1913!!!   Perhaps when she referred to '13 children' she was including her Sutton stepchildren. Who knows?

As to Frances Louise Clark married to a Damenack?   First of all, this is not a valid surname (none at all in the whole of the UK) and there is no Frances Louise/Frances L. Clark born with a mmn of Ayling or Brown nor a marriage of a Frances L Clark to anything that remotely looks like Damenack.   

Annette
     
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 08 May 17 14:12 BST (UK)
Oh Joan, With names and "known by names"  I am getting quite confused, it is getting a very big task now, some names don't seem to exist which makes it difficult as  Annette has pointed out, I think if you collate all of the info us Rootschaters have come up with and make it into a form of tree it might make sense, and then go forward from there, you will be surprised how much sense it  would make

Louisa Maud




Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Monday 08 May 17 21:07 BST (UK)
Hi
Thank you all so much for the most amazing help in making sense of all the information that was given to me in my search to create a Family Tree for my friend and finding out the actual truth from you all.
I totally except everything that you have found and from now on am going with your facts. I never expected to find such help available.
Once again a big Thank You to you all.
Best Wishes.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 08 May 17 21:49 BST (UK)
You are welcome  Joan

Pity they didn't use their  rightful names it would have been easier

Did you find the right name for the right surname Damenack?

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Annette7 on Wednesday 10 May 17 20:51 BST (UK)
Right - here we go.   Confirmed by birth certificate that we have found the right family.

William Edward Clark  born 5th June 1913 at 26 Frederick Road (sub district Canning Town, reg. district West Ham) son of Albert George Clark, Dock Labourer, and Rose Clark formerly Ayling.  Informant was A Clark, Father, 26 Frederick Road, Custom House (birth reg'd on 19th June 1913).

Annette
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 10 May 17 21:02 BST (UK)
Well done Annettte, we did have that address on a census if I remember correctly, so it was Albert George and not George, it is often the  case over the years the names are not what we think they should be,in  my father's family the girls were often not called by their registered names, luckily I knew what and who they were

Hopefully Joan that helps

Happy Hunting

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Thursday 11 May 17 08:37 BST (UK)
Thank you so much Annette. Great detective work. Isn't it amazing how bits and pieces of information can be exaggerated and develop legs of their own and grow. I really do appreciate you getting the Birth Cert. So, no doubt anymore. Once again thank you all for your help.
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 24 May 17 15:21 BST (UK)
Joan
Can't read through 7 pages Joan but I found this by accident
St Clement Church West Thurrock
20/04/1935
William Edward Clark aged 21 of Hill Crest Purfleet father George Albert Dec
to
Ruth Bearman aged 20 of 5 William St West Thurrock father George
witnesses George Bearman and Lloyd Armstrong

Louisa Maud


Queenie married Lloyd Armstrong ?
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Sunday 11 June 17 11:56 BST (UK)
Hi Louisa
Thank you so much for that information. Sorry I have not been in touch before now but I was on holidays and only returned last night. Once again Thank you. Much appreciated. Joan.
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Sunday 11 June 17 12:10 BST (UK)
Hope it was of some help

LM
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Fitzr aim on Friday 08 September 17 14:02 BST (UK)
Hi
I have just joined this site and was surprised to find mention of my grandfather/mother (Frederick & Doris Clark and family from Aveley Essex, if you would like anymore info please contact me
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 08 September 17 14:25 BST (UK)
Well Joan, what a turn up, hopefully you can fill in the gaps with your new contact

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Sunday 10 September 17 08:41 BST (UK)
Hi
I am so pleased to make contact with you. I have 4 children for Frederick & Doris perhaps you could confirm if this information is correct. Frederick A. G. married to Kathleen Kettle, Colin married to Joan Grace, Alan Gary not married and Olga married to George Butler.
Do you have any information on Frederick's siblings in particular "Bob" Clark married to Florrie and Doll who was married and lost an arm as a result of Gangrene due to Diabetus. I believe Doll lived in Cornwall for some years and had some children. Bob & Florrie I understand had 2 children and lived in a pub either as a manager or with family in Lincolnshire.
I would be grateful for any information you have on this family.
Kindest regards
Jooan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Fitzr aim on Sunday 10 September 17 09:26 BST (UK)
Hi
Frederick & Doris had 4 children from there marriage and Doris had a son from a previous marriage when she lived in Lancashire called Ronald Stephenson.  So in all there were 5 children in the family.  They lived in lennard house in Aveley Essex ( no longer there as flats have been built in its place).  Frederick AG was married to Kathleen he passed away in 1986. Colin was married to Joan but divorced and remarried he has now passed away. Alan Gary was married to Patricia but again divorced and he passed away in 1976 (not as a previous post stated "motorcycle accident") aged 43. Olga Evelyn was married to Alan Roger but divorced and remarried George Butler and Olga (my mother) passed away in 2016.  I heard mention of Bob & Florrie also Doll as a child but never met them but would be interested to find out more especially as I now live in lincolnshire. Do you know what area of Lincs they were in ? Also what relation are you to this family?
Regards
Rainey
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: joanearls on Sunday 10 September 17 09:44 BST (UK)
Thanks Rainey.
I am  not related to the family and live in Ireland. My very best friend also lives a short distance from me. He is the son of  William Edward Clark 1913 West Ham who was a sibling of Frederick. He knew nothing about his grandparents and various exaggerated information was circling so I started a Clark Family Tree for him. I have spoken to him this morning and he was delighted that you had been in touch. His brother knew exactly what pub Bob was connected with in Lincolnshire so I will ask again and let you know.
Thank you for the information you have given.I will try and send a personal message to you with the Website address so you can see what information I have.
Regards
Joan
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Lindajoy on Thursday 03 January 19 03:59 GMT (UK)
Fredrick and Doris were my grandparents. I am Ronald Stephenson's youngest child and live in the states. I am trying to figure out this website to post to my cousin whose name on here is Rainey.
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: Lindajoy on Thursday 03 January 19 04:06 GMT (UK)
I am your cousin, Ronald Stephenson's youngest child. We moved to the states in 1970. Facebook is Linda Butler, email is joyofworship@yahoo.com, I live in Louisiana. I remember my aunt's and uncles and cousins.
Title: Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
Post by: DaveClark1956 on Sunday 10 March 24 17:03 GMT (UK)
My Name is David Colin Clark born August 1956
Son of Colin Clark
Nephew of Alan, Freedie, Olga & Ronnie Clark
I was raised in Leonard House Aveley as a child but previous to that I lived on a Caravan Site at Cummings Hall Farm, Noak Hill Romford Essex.
My Mother was Joan Grace but she left  when I was a baby & I was raised by my Granparents & when they passed way I was raised by my Uncle, Alan Clark (Boxer Clark) & also my Aunt Olga then later being reunited with my Father Colin Clark who had re married... but he has now passed away & I think my Mother has also passed away

Please Contact me if you feel you may be related to me as I was told that my Birth Mother had other Children