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Title: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Mimble on Saturday 06 May 17 12:51 BST (UK)
Hi, I wonder if anyone can assist me please?
Our church is commemorating the death 100 years ago in June of Ernest Stafford Carlos, who painted the famous Pathfinder Scout painting, the original of which is kept at Gilwell Park. This painting is depicted in his memory in a stained-glass window in our church. https://www.facebook.com/Holy-Cross-Church-Hornchurch-463618100370962/?fref=nf
I am collecting images of other stained glass depictions of the painting for a leaflet to be given out at a special service commemorating the life and works of Carlos. In the book ‘Painting in Ernest’ by Steven Harris, he mentions that there is another stained glass window in St Seriol’s Church, Holyhead.

I know this church has been demolished, but wondered if you had any idea where this window is now, and how I could get a photo of it please? 

Thanks,
Mary

Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: MarMnkly on Saturday 06 May 17 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi Mary
is this additional to the one in St Cybi Church Holyhead ?
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-christ-watching-over-a-boy-scout-church-of-st-cybi-holyhead-anglesey-117800573.html
Mar  :)
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Mimble on Saturday 06 May 17 14:31 BST (UK)
Thanks for the reply. Yes I think this may be it. I was thinking it would have been more faithful to the original painting, but this is similar to the one in Manchester, which was 'inspired by' the painting. I had seen this one in my searches but hadn't linked it with Holyhead. Thanks so much!
Mary
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: MarMnkly on Saturday 06 May 17 14:40 BST (UK)
No problem
you have quite a job to do, as there must be many similar images in the UK, let alone abroad
Good luck in your search
Mar
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Mimble on Saturday 06 May 17 14:46 BST (UK)
Yes I have found fourteen so far, 9 in the UK, four in Canada and one in New Zealand. One of the Canadian ones has recently been sold to Minnesota (prompted in part I believe by my research once the owner realised how valuable it was!) :) See article at http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/pathfinder-window-sold-1.4066518
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 06 May 17 15:15 BST (UK)
I can't help you I'm afraid, but if you already have a number of them, might it be worth listing them here so people know where not to look?  :)

Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Mimble on Saturday 06 May 17 15:25 BST (UK)
Yes, thanks, I think the problem is solved as I'm pretty sure the window at St Cybi is the one from St Seriol's. Any additional information welcome.
Thanks
Mary
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Mimble on Sunday 07 May 17 14:00 BST (UK)
http://stainedglass.llgc.org.uk/object/1970
Commissioned and installed in the Church of St Seiriol, Holyhead, and reset here in 1998, following the closure and demolition of St Seiriol's.
I have written to the vicar to ask for a photo and information. Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: dcriggott on Wednesday 01 November 17 17:57 GMT (UK)
Our company D.C. Riggott Inc. Owns the Pathfinder Window that came out of St. Johns New Brunswick. You can read the article written about it here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/pathfinder-window-sold-1.4066518

And see our website listing here:

https://www.dcriggott.com/extremely-rare-historic-pathfinder-stained-glass-window-depicting-christ-with-boyscout
Title: Re: Stained glass window depicting The Pathfinder painting
Post by: Mimble on Wednesday 01 November 17 19:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks for this information and for replying. I wondered what had happened to this window and would be interested to know where it ends up.

As a matter of interest, the information you have on this window is actually mistaken: "This one-of-a-kind window is a sister window to the only other one available in the world, which was housed in England until that church was bombed during the 2nd world war and the sister was destroyed."

There are many other windows like this one, of which I have now found 12, of which 7 are in the UK. The one referred to here is actually the one in our church, Holy Cross Church Hornchurch. In a leaflet complied more than 20 years ago our window was listed as probably having being bombed out as it could not be found in the parish church of Hornchurch, St Andrew's. However, it was safe and sound in the daughter church of Hornchurch, Holy Cross. This mistake was realised when our window was restored after having being broken into, and our window was 'rediscovered'. I'm attaching a photo of our Pathfinder window, which we believe is the most faithful depiction of the original painting of all the Pathfinder windows in existence.

I can send you my information about all the other Pathfinder windows I have found if you like,
Regards
Mary