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Hi, looking for any info on Katherine born 1893 believe in Croydon, father Alfred Webb,
On 3rd August 1917 she married my Grandfather John MacMillan in Orpington Kent
He was in the Canadian ARmy hospital in Orpington,
In 1918 he was sent back to Canada and discharged on ill health
The family have only just found this marriage (he married my grandmother Clara Jones in 1920 in Canada)
We wiuld like to find out more about Katherine , from his army records she was living at 16 Wiltshire Road Orpington as Mrs M MacMillan and his wages were being pais to her.
Any info at all would be greatly appreciated
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Did he marry in 1920 as a widower, divorcee or single man?
Bev
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Birth Registration?
December qtr 1893
Croydon Registration District vol 2a, page 201
Webb, Kathleen Mary
GRO Index Search reveals her Mother's Maiden Name = Priddy
WEBB, KATHLEEN MARY PREDDY
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 201
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There is a birth registration for a x Macmillan in June quarter 1918, mothers maiden name Webb,
Elham kent 2a 1730
Mike
Edit, removed first names, could possibly still be alive
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Wow that's fast thanks so much I'll send for the certificate
Regards
Sandra
Looking further I notice that a John Leonard MacMillan emigrated to New south Wales age 5 in 1923, I wonder if he was aprt of the mass influx of children to Australia, and how to find out
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Thanks so much, starting to piece the puzzle together
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Looking further I notice that a [JLM] emigrated to New south Wales age 5 in 1923, I wonder if he was aprt of the mass influx of children to Australia, and how to find out
No, he was travelling with his mother Kathleen and a younger brother. Their address is given as 2 Roff Yard, James Street, Selby, Yorkshire.
I can see a possible birth reg for the younger brother in Selby in 1921 under the surname WEBB with the mother's maiden surname also WEBB so may suggest an illegitimate birth.
Debra :)
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I don't think Katherine Mary Webb who married John MacMillan is the Kathleen Mary Webb birth Dec.1893 Croydon.
Think this lady married later in life to an August G Moore in Sept.1930 Croydon - can't give details from 1911 census or 1939 register due to copyright BUT will say that the formers occupation in 1911 and that of Katherine Mary Moore are the same - she was born 30/8/1893 and died Sept.1980 Chelsea.
If the emigration record found is the right one I note that both Christian name and surname have wrong spelling.
Annette
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josalee, can you tell us if your information about Katherine's father being named Alfred is from the marriage cert? If so, what was his occupation? Did Katherine have an occupation? Who were the witnesses?
If you don't have the marriage cert then you really need to get it to find more information about her.
Debra :)
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Hi
I do have the marriage cert for John MacMillan and Katherine Mary Webb on 3 August 1917 at the Parish of Our Lady , Help of Christians 41 Guilhall St. folkestone
Katherine is age 24 years, spinster residing at Victoria hotel, Marine Crescent folkestone , father Alfred John Webb, although the "Alfred is added above the John
John MacMillan is age 26 and a patient at the Ontario hospital Orpington , his father given also as John is marked as deceasd
I@m getting confused about finding the right Katherine!
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Hi Just checked the witnesses for the marriage and they were F Phillips and Alice Webb
could Alice Webb be the mother or a sibling?
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What was her father's occupation?
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He was a general labourer
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Hi,
I think that I might have found the Catherine Mary WEBB that you are looking for although her father is Edward John WEBB but he uses John in the census records. She is born in 1891 so would be fibbing about her age on her marriage certificate and the passenger list but she changes her DOB between these two so she might just be aging slowly :)
Marriage: 1917 age: 24 born 1892/1893
List: 1923 age: 28 born 1894/95
so 6 years later she's only aged 4 years :)
The reason that I think this is a likely candidate for your Catherine Mary is that her sister Emily Elizabeth WEBB married a James ATKINS,
Emily Elizabeth WEBB Dec Q 1904 Canterbury 2a 1915
James Thomas ATKINS
James Thomas ATKINS WW1 pension records at Ancestry show his "Military History Sheet", this shows that his children were born in both Kent and Selby, Yorkshire. His address when he was transferred to the Army Reserve on 14 April 1919 was 40 Old Dover Rd Canterbury, (this has then been crossed out and a note that matches his later address has been added) when he was discharged on 31 March 1920 his address was 250 Barlby Rd, Selby, Yorks.
If the "younger brother in Selby in 1921 under the surname WEBB" found by Debra is correct Catherine might have been in Selby to have her child staying with or near her sister Emily.
The address on the emigration passenger list, 2 Roff Yard, James Street, Selby, is only 0.5 miles from 250 Barlby Road.
This Catherine also has a sister Alice that could be her marriage witness, and a brother called Alfred John which might have caused the marriage certificate name addition, if it was done later someone might have confused the name.
Marriage
Edward John WEBB Jun Q 1882 Canterbury 2a 1238
Annie Eliza FASSOM
Children's births
Amelia Prebble WEBB Dec Q 1882 Canterbury 2a 803
mmn: FASSOM
Emily Elizabeth WEBB Sep Q 1882 Bridge 2a 785
mmn: FASSOM
(I can't find this one in census or death records)
Emily Elizabeth WEBB Jun Q 1884 Bridge 2a 796
mmn: FASSOM
Alfred John WEBB Mar Q 1887 Elham 2a 1006
mmn: FASSON
Annie Louisa WEBB Jun Q 1889 Elham 2a 1003
mmn: FASSOM
Baptism
07 Apr 1889
St Peter, Folkestone, Kent
Annie Louisa WEBB
Father: Edward John
Mother: Annie
Catherine Mary WEBB Mar Q 1891 Elham 2a 1032
mmn: FASSON
1891 RG12/50 f.82 p.84 Folkestone, Kent (Elham R.D.)
28 Young's Rd
WEBB
John Head 36 General Labourer
Annie Wife 28 Canterbury Kent
Amelia Daur 9 Scholar " "
Emily Daur 7 " " "
John Son 4 " Folkestone Kent
Annie Daur 2 " "
Catherine Daur 3m " "
More children's births
Edward Charles WEBB Mar Q 1894 Elham 2a 1034
mmn: FASSOM
Death
Edward Charles WEBB Jun Q 1894 Elham 2a 551
Age: 0
(GRO site says 6, but from previous experience seems unable to distinguish month and years, using years when it should be months)
Edith Ellen WEBB Sep Q 1896 Elham 2a 1004
mmn: FASSON
Alice ? I can't find a birth for her.
William Henry Sep Q 1900 Blean 2a 895
mmn: FASSOM
1901 RG13/796 f.13 p.17 Staplegate, Kent (Blean RD)
4 Staplegate Place
WEBB
Annie Head Mar 38 Charwoman
Emily Daur 19
Alfred Son 14
Kate Daur 10
Edith Daur 4
Alice Daur 3
Willie Son 9m all dittoed from top of page as Canterbury
More children's births
Caroline Susannah WEBB Mar Q 1904 Bridge 2a 955
mmn: FASSOM
Baptism
07 Aug 1904
St Gregory, Canterbury, Kent
Caroline Susanna WEBB
Father: Edward John
Mother: Annie Eliza
Matilda Jane WEBB Mar Q 1908 Bridge 2a 994 mmn: FASSONS
We can't transcribe the 1911 census here due to copyright but you could look up the family in Littlebourne, Kent.
It says they have had 11 children 9 have survived which would be right if Emily Elizabeth was recorded twice or Alice isn't John and Annie's child.
I've just noticed that James Thomas ATKINS and Emily Elizabeth WEBB have a daughter ATKINS, Katherine M R ATKINS, she marries and is with her mother in 1939 as Kathleen M R (married surname), then her death is registered with yet another spelling, Katharine.
Sorry if this post is quite long but it's amazing how interesting a puzzle can be when you are looking out of the window at pouring rain when you should be out in the garden planting vegetables! ;D
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi,
I think that I might have found the Catherine Mary WEBB that you are looking for although her father is Edward John WEBB but he uses John in the census records. She is born in 1891 so would be fibbing about her age on her marriage certificate and the passenger list but she changes her DOB between these two so she might just be aging slowly :)
Marriage: 1917 age: 24 born 1892/1893
List: 1923 age: 28 born 1894/95
so 6 years later she's only aged 4 years :)
The reason that I think this is a likely candidate for your Catherine Mary is that her sister Emily Elizabeth WEBB married a James ATKINS,
Emily Elizabeth WEBB Dec Q 1904 Canterbury 2a 1915
James Thomas ATKINS
James Thomas ATKINS WW1 pension records at Ancestry show his "Military History Sheet", this shows that his children were born in both Kent and Selby, Yorkshire. His address when he was transferred to the Army Reserve on 14 April 1919 was 40 Old Dover Rd Canterbury, (this has then been crossed out and a note that matches his later address has been added) when he was discharged on 31 March 1920 his address was 250 Barlby Rd, Selby, Yorks.
If the "younger brother in Selby in 1921 under the surname WEBB" found by Debra is correct Catherine might have been in Selby to have her child staying with or near her sister Emily.
The address on the emigration passenger list, 2 Roff Yard, James Street, Selby, is only 0.5 miles from 250 Barlby Road.
This Catherine also has a sister Alice that could be her marriage witness, and a brother called Alfred John which might have caused the marriage certificate name addition, if it was done later someone might have confused the name.
Marriage
Edward John WEBB Jun Q 1882 Canterbury 2a 1238
Annie Eliza FASSOM
Children's births
Amelia Prebble WEBB Dec Q 1882 Canterbury 2a 803
mmn: FASSOM
Emily Elizabeth WEBB Sep Q 1882 Bridge 2a 785
mmn: FASSOM
(I can't find this one in census or death records)
Emily Elizabeth WEBB Jun Q 1884 Bridge 2a 796
mmn: FASSOM
Alfred John WEBB Mar Q 1887 Elham 2a 1006
mmn: FASSON
Annie Louisa WEBB Jun Q 1889 Elham 2a 1003
mmn: FASSOM
Baptism
07 Apr 1889
St Peter, Folkestone, Kent
Annie Louisa WEBB
Father: Edward John
Mother: Annie
Catherine Mary WEBB Mar Q 1891 Elham 2a 1032
mmn: FASSON
1891 RG12/50 f.82 p.84 Folkestone, Kent (Elham R.D.)
28 Young's Rd
WEBB
John Head 36 General Labourer
Annie Wife 28 Canterbury Kent
Amelia Daur 9 Scholar " "
Emily Daur 7 " " "
John Son 4 " Folkestone Kent
Annie Daur 2 " "
Catherine Daur 3m " "
More children's births
Edward Charles WEBB Mar Q 1894 Elham 2a 1034
mmn: FASSOM
Death
Edward Charles WEBB Jun Q 1894 Elham 2a 551
Age: 0
(GRO site says 6, but from previous experience seems unable to distinguish month and years, using years when it should be months)
Edith Ellen WEBB Sep Q 1896 Elham 2a 1004
mmn: FASSON
Alice ? I can't find a birth for her.
William Henry Sep Q 1900 Blean 2a 895
mmn: FASSOM
1901 RG13/796 f.13 p.17 Staplegate, Kent (Blean RD)
4 Staplegate Place
WEBB
Annie Head Mar 38 Charwoman
Emily Daur 19
Alfred Son 14
Kate Daur 10
Edith Daur 4
Alice Daur 3
Willie Son 9m all dittoed from top of page as Canterbury
More children's births
Caroline Susannah WEBB Mar Q 1904 Bridge 2a 955
mmn: FASSOM
Baptism
07 Aug 1904
St Gregory, Canterbury, Kent
Caroline Susanna WEBB
Father: Edward John
Mother: Annie Eliza
Matilda Jane WEBB Mar Q 1908 Bridge 2a 994 mmn: FASSONS
We can't transcribe the 1911 census here due to copyright but you could look up the family in Littlebourne, Kent.
It says they have had 11 children 9 have survived which would be right if Emily Elizabeth was recorded twice or Alice isn't John and Annie's child.
I've just noticed that James Thomas ATKINS and Emily Elizabeth WEBB have a daughter ATKINS, Katherine M R ATKINS, she marries and is with her mother in 1939 as Kathleen M R (married surname), then her death is registered with yet another spelling, Katharine.
Sorry if this post is quite long but it's amazing how interesting a puzzle can be when you are looking out of the window at pouring rain when you should be out in the garden planting vegetables! ;D
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi,
Thanks for your PM
This could be JLM's service records, he is spelling his surname as MCMILLAN. Oh the link to his records seems to time out, put N54808 into the search box to find him.
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
and this could be his younger brother using the MCMILLAN name rather than WEBB, but his DOB would be a year out, put N271210 into the search box.
I think you can find JLM's marriage in 1942, and his death in 1972 using this site,
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
I think you can order the certificates there.
I have sent you a PM about JLM's obituary, because it names possible living people.
I can't see one, but it would be really good if someone could find a marriage or death for Catherine/Katherine/Kathleen MACMILLAN nee WEBB in Australia.
Daisy