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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Liviani on Sunday 14 May 17 04:58 BST (UK)
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I'm helping someone with their family research. They have been trying to search for information regarding their ancestor Christina post 1884 for a while now, to no avail.
Here is the information I have regarding Christina so far;
Christina McIntyre, (illegitimate), born 10th July 1864 to Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith from Rothiemurchus and Helen McBain, Farmer's Daughter, Croftnahaven. This is all Inverness-shire.
NB: the McBain family are more commonly listed as 'McBean'.
Christina is in the 1871 census at Inverchnie, Duthil, Rothiemurchus, Inverness-shire. She is living with her father Alexander and her grand-parents Donald and Christina McIntyre.
Chistina is in the 1881 census at Allanroy, Abernethy & Kincardine, Inverness-shire. She is living with;
Elizabeth Grant (76) - Head, James Grant (45) - Son and Henry Grant (31) - Son. Christina is a domestic servant here aged 16.
Three years later Christina gives birth to an illegitimate son; Donald Grant McIntyre. He was born at 24 Brander Street, Burghead, Duffus, Elgin. Quite some distance away from where his mother was living 3 years earlier. There is no father listed on the birth cert. I do wonder if one of the Grant boys in the 1881 census have a part to play here given Donald's middle name. There is no way of proving this however.
Christina's occupation in this birth cert is general servant, and as there is no residence under her signature here she must've been living at 24 Brander Street, Burghead.
Donald G. McIntyre is thereafter (I assume) brought up by his grandparents. He is in the 1891 census living with Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith in Duthil and is listed as grand-son. There is no sign of his mother Christina anywhere.
When Donald McIntyre marries in 1910 aged 26 the parents listed in this marriage certificate are actually his grandparents (gfather and step gmother?) ! It names Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith and a Jessie McIntyre (nee McPherson) as the parents. This is obviously completely incorrect given the census and birth records. Donald must've been told that his grandparents were actually his parents. On Donald's death cert in 1966 it does name his mother as Christina McIntyre however. John McIntyre was a witness at this marriage.
I've searched for Christina McIntyre in marriage, census and emigration records. All to no avail. Since she was born post civil registration and if she remained in Scotland, she cannot just disappear? I'm thinking she either a) married or b) went outside of Scotland.
Can't find a thing regarding her anywhere. Would be grateful for some help on this one.
Thanks!
Jill.
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Hi Jill
I wonder if it's worth looking for a will for Alexander McIntyre to see if he mentions Christina - might give a clue to her whereabouts.
Terri
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Hi Jill
I wonder if it's worth looking for a will for Alexander McIntyre to see if he mentions Christina - might give a clue to her whereabouts.
Terri
Unfortunately it doesn't look like there is a will for Alexander. He died in Duthil, 1900 aged 68.
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Christina McIntyre, (illegitimate), born 10th July 1864 to Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith from Rothiemurchus and Helen McBain, Farmer's Daughter, Croftnahaven. This is all Inverness-shire.
If she was illegitimate how is she using her fathers name throughout even for her own child instead of McBain ???
Did Alexander and Helen marry?
I expect you've already looked under McBain or Bean :-\
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Christina McIntyre, (illegitimate), born 10th July 1864 to Alexander McIntyre, Blacksmith from Rothiemurchus and Helen McBain, Farmer's Daughter, Croftnahaven. This is all Inverness-shire.
If she was illegitimate how is she using her fathers name throughout even for her own child instead of McBain ???
Did Alexander and Helen marry?
I expect you've already looked under McBain or Bean :-\
I've actually seen this a few times in my own tree where the child is using the father's name. My great grandfather is listed as "Small" at birth after his father. The father and mother never married. My great-grandfather's name was latterly changed after age 7 (where is named as Small in a census) to "McKenzie" which is his step-father's name. There is a corrected entry on his birth entry stating that the man with the "Small" surname is the father of him.
Her birth certificate definitely states that she is illegitimate with the surname of McIntyre.
This doesn't seem to be overly uncommon in Scotland at the time, I've seen it many times.
Helen and Alexander never married. Alexander married a Jessie M(a)cPherson in 1876. Helen McBain/McBean remained single her entire life. She ended up living with her single brother. Searched both McBain and McBean for her.
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Thank you I'm not as familiar with Scottish records :)
Have you ruled out the Christina Grant born 1864 Duthil Inverness wife of Alexander Grant born 1874 Grantown Elgin, some of the names and places seem to fit.
Alexander seems a bit young to be a retired butcher at 27 but maybe his age is wrong.
This is 1901 census Cromdale Moray.
There's also a boarder
Jemima Allan 24 born Duthil
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No don't think that's her :(
She could be the Tena Allan 26 in 1891 daughter of James and Margaret sister of Jemima.
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Thank you I'm not as familiar with Scottish records :)
Have you ruled out the Christina Grant born 1864 Duthil Inverness wife of Alexander Grant born 1874 Grantown Elgin, some of the names and places seem to fit.
Alexander seems a bit young to be a retired butcher at 27 but maybe his age is wrong.
This is 1901 census Cromdale Moray.
There's also a boarder
Jemima Allan 24 born Duthil
No problem and thank you for these records, I'll have a look and see what I can find.
I think Christina's child was named McIntyre after her as there is no father listed at all on Donald's birth record. Though the middle name he has of "Grant" I feel is significant.
Christina's last known location of Burghead I believe to be in the area of Moray, Elgin or Banffshire. Have never researched the location in my own tree so a little unfamiliar with that area as of now. I think "Grantown" is actually "Grantown on Spey". There does appear some overlap with Duthil, Elgin and Moray. Which can be confusing.
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Yes I agree about the Grant name. The Grant boys seem to stick together throughout later census.
Would guess at the younger one James sorry Henry who seems to remain single but bit of a leap really (sorry Henry if you are entirely innocent)
I wonder if she went abroad :-\ you would hope to find a marriage or death in Scotland if she remained there.
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Have you ruled out the Christina Grant born 1864 Duthil Inverness wife of Alexander Grant born 1874 Grantown Elgin, some of the names and places seem to fit.
Have done a search for Alexander Grants marrying in the area from 1884 to 1910. The only one that seems to fit on Scotland's People with those names is a marriage between an Alexander Grant and Christina McFar Allan in Duthil in 1894. So these will be different people.
Scotland's people says that a Christina McIntyre marries a John McKay in Inverness in 1891 (yet another annoying name to research, I have one in my own tree, spelled in a variety of ways; Mackie, McKay, MacKay etc.). I think the only way is for the person I'm helping to order this image to confirm or rule out as the certificate will name both parties parents.
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Yes see earlier post I think the wife of Alexander Grant is on previous census with sister Jemima Allen - parents James and Margaret. Down as Tena on census :)
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Yes see earlier post I think the wife of Alexander Grant is on previous census with sister Jemima Allen - parents James and Margaret. Down as Tena on census :)
Thanks for this, I'd missed this earlier. : )
Jill
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She could still be the one that marries John McKay so good advice to view that one and rule in or out.
I have a missing person myself so can totally empathise how frustrating it is trying to find them.
Have to go out now but good luck :)
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She could still be the one that marries John McKay so good advice to view that one and rule in or out.
I have a missing person myself so can totally empathise how frustrating it is trying to find them.
Have to go out now but good luck :)
Many thanks for the advice.
The person I'm helping is abroad for the next few days so may be a bit of a delay in hearing back from them. I may just order the image myself to confirm this, I'm getting frustrated on their behalf. ;D
Thanks again,
Jill
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If she was illegitimate how is she using her fathers name throughout even for her own child instead of McBain ???
It's very common for an illegitimate child to be known by its father's name. There were no hard and fast rules about what surname you used.
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I just looked at the martiage to john mckay for you. It lists christinas parents as malcolm mcintyre a master mason and catherine nixon. Address is innes street inverness so looks like not same person :(
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I just looked at the martiage to john mckay for you. It lists christinas parents as malcolm mcintyre a master mason and catherine nixon. Address is innes street inverness so looks like not same person :(
Many thanks for checking this for me. Have her ruled out. Another one down! Though, I am feeling that this one is a lost cause. Very common name making it doubly difficult to track her down. May be time to put her to bed so to speak.
Regards,
Jill.
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Christina's last known location of Burghead I believe to be in the area of Moray, Elgin or Banffshire. Have never researched the location in my own tree so a little unfamiliar with that area as of now. I think "Grantown" is actually "Grantown on Spey". There does appear some overlap with Duthil, Elgin and Moray. Which can be confusing.
Indeed.
Burghead is in the parish of Duffus in the county of Moray aka Morayshire. In the 19th century Moray was officially known as the county of Elgin, or Elginshire, after its county town, Elgin, which is in the parish of Elgin. Fortunately the old name was restored by Act of Parliament in 1928, but when you come across a reference to 'Elgin' you have to look closer to see whether the reference is to the town, the parish or the county.
Grantown is indeed Grantown-on-Spey. It is in the parish of Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, most of which is in Moray but there is part of it in Inverness-shire. This parish was formed by the union of the three older parishes, hence the unwieldy name. It is often referred to as simply Cromdale for short. Grantown is in the part that was formerly the parish of Inverallan.
The parish of Duthil is in Inverness-shire, but it is next door, on the south-west, to Cromdale Inverallan and Advie.
The parish of Inveravon in the county of Banff aka Banffshire is next door to Cromdale Inverallan and Advie on the north.
You might find http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct useful for sorting out these and similar geographical conundrums.
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Christina's last known location of Burghead I believe to be in the area of Moray, Elgin or Banffshire. Have never researched the location in my own tree so a little unfamiliar with that area as of now. I think "Grantown" is actually "Grantown on Spey". There does appear some overlap with Duthil, Elgin and Moray. Which can be confusing.
Indeed.
Burghead is in the parish of Duffus in the county of Moray aka Morayshire. In the 19th century Moray was officially known as the county of Elgin, or Elginshire, after its county town, Elgin, which is in the parish of Elgin. Fortunately the old name was restored by Act of Parliament in 1928, but when you come across a reference to 'Elgin' you have to look closer to see whether the reference is to the town, the parish or the county.
Grantown is indeed Grantown-on-Spey. It is in the parish of Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, most of which is in Moray but there is part of it in Inverness-shire. This parish was formed by the union of the three older parishes, hence the unwieldy name. It is often referred to as simply Cromdale for short. Grantown is in the part that was formerly the parish of Inverallan.
The parish of Duthil is in Inverness-shire, but it is next door, on the south-west, to Cromdale Inverallan and Advie.
The parish of Inveravon in the county of Banff aka Banffshire is next door to Cromdale Inverallan and Advie on the north.
You might find http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct useful for sorting out these and similar geographical conundrums.
Very helpful, thank you once again Forfarian. Much to work through, thankfully I love studying maps so this won't be a bore for me. ;D
Jill.
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Came across the following:
Dundee Courier 9th July 1890
Charge of Child Murder Near Aberfeldy
A woman named Christina Macintyre, aged about 33, residing at Ardtalnaig Lochtayside has been charged with the murder of her newly born child, a male, by cutting its throat. Macintyre still lies at Ardtalnaid under the charge of the police.
The only other mention I can find is a file at the NAS reference JC26/1890/218 which has the trial papers from 2nd September 1890, her guilty plea and a sentence of 6 months imprisonment.
I know the age is a few years out, but she wouldn't be the first to shave a few years off. Unfortuately I am no where near the NAS so can't access the file for more personal details.
Probably not her as it is hardly an uncommon name, but it would account for her disappearance without her son in 1891.
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Came across the following:
Dundee Courier 9th July 1890
Charge of Child Murder Near Aberfeldy
A woman named Christina Macintyre, aged about 33, residing at Ardtalnaig Lochtayside has been charged with the murder of her newly born child, a male, by cutting its throat. Macintyre still lies at Ardtalnaid under the charge of the police.
The only other mention I can find is a file at the NAS reference JC26/1890/218 which has the trial papers from 2nd September 1890, her guilty plea and a sentence of 6 months imprisonment.
I know the age is a few years out, but she wouldn't be the first to shave a few years off. Unfortuately I am no where near the NAS so can't access the file for more personal details.
Probably not her as it is hardly an uncommon name, but it would account for her disappearance without her son in 1891.
Thank for this, not had a chance to research this more yet, but will give me something to look at. Didn't consider the possible prison aspect, very good point to raise.
Thanks again,
Jill.
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Christina McIntyre was my great grandmother and I have been researching her for many years - if Liviani would like to pm me I may have some further information for her - incidentally my aunt married into the Sherett family so would be interested to chat if possible.
Kind regards
Grant