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Looking for birth records for my great-great grandfather Richard Hodges born circa 1866 in Allihies County Cork. Also possibly birth records for Catherine Jane (Janet) Gill born in the same year, and their marriage.
Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you :)
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There is a Richard Hodges born 1866 in the right area his address isn't Allihies. It is possible he gave the name of the nearest town to where his was born people often do this rather than give the name of a small townland.
Father Richard mother Margaret, not sure about her surname yet.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03513/2291972.pdf
One to consider at least, do you have a marriage for him for his father's name?
sorry see now you don't have marriage, better to look for that first I guess.
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They married 1891 and his father is Richard, same address as the birth.
Her father is Thomas
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10679/5891988.pdf
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Catherine was born 6 Aug 1867, father Thomas, mother Catherine Sullivan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03469/2274100.pdf
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Trying to make out the townland names, the registrar often had their own way of spelling placenames but I think the Gill's are from Clonglaskan and the Hodges it looks like Cluin but I think that should be Cloan, they would need further checking.
Richard's mother may also be Sulliavan.
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Thank you so much Sinann! This will keep me busy for a while.
There is a Richard Hodges born 1866 in the right area his address isn't Allihies. It is possible he gave the name of the nearest town to where his was born people often do this rather than give the name of a small townland.
He ended up in Allihies you see, so yes perhaps he was born somewhere near Allihies. My family still own the farm that he had there, where my great-grandmother was born. Thanks again for your help! ;D
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Trying to make out the townland names, the registrar often had their own way of spelling placenames but I think the Gill's are from Clonglaskan and the Hodges it looks like Cluin but I think that should be Cloan, they would need further checking.
Richard's mother may also be Sulliavan.
Ah, just figured out that Cluin is the village of Allihies, which is actually a Parish.
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The OSI mapviewer doesn't have Cluin marked but it does give it as a Locality at/in Allihies.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,458601,545245,11,9
so as such they were from Allihies.
Use the search, by county, by Locality.
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The villiage of Allihies (and Cluin) is in the townland of Cloan which is address for the family in the Census.
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Coulagh/Cloan/378056/
1901 in the village.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Conlagh/Allihies/1094736/
I'd say these are his parents and two brothers
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Conlagh/Cloan_Mines_Town/1094850/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Coulagh/Cloan/378055/
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Catherine Jane's Family.
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Killaconenagh/Clonglascan/1094267/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Killaconenagh/Clonglaskan/377545/
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He left a will which was administered by Jonathan Hodges,you can order a testamentary copy
search archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
death cert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04697/4253229.pdf
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Richard and Margaret say they are married 57 years in 1911, this would give a marriage c1854.
There is a Richard Hodges and Margaret Sullivan on the same page registered in Bantry 1858, a maybe.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6d/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6e/
FamilySearch has it also with father's names
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ9-12K
May not be the correct couple odd course.
Some of that couples children
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6f/
The Richard and Johnathan Baptisims match well with your family, it's looking like the correct couple.
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Robert McDougal married Alice Hodges in 1890
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10720/5908132.pdf
Charles was born 1893
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02298/1861979.pdf
they also appear to have had a son Robert born Scotland 1891 who died in Arizona in Jan 1938 death cert states that his mother Alice Hodges is still alive
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LC2-W5?mode=g&cc=1534450
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Alice appears to have married an Edward Heslin and had at least 3 children two of whom died
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YZ-43P
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W9M-SBH
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WQ3-W21
Charles McDougal also appears to have died 1948 though fathers name given as Henry McDougal
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WG2-H6B
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There is no William or Richard Hodges in Griffith's Valuation but there is an Alice x 3 in Allihies and a Alicia x 4, 2 in Allihies, 1 Cloan and 1 Ballydonegan. Print date 1852. They could be just two women as some of the entries are just for Land or a garden, it would need more study.
Given that Richard called one of his daughters Alice, I wonder if she could be William's wife, Richard's mother.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
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Again just a possibility, following on from Alice in Griffith's there was a marriage of an Alice Seaberry to a William Hodges in 1822, Cork and Ross.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dm/IRE_DIOC_007246532_00525.pdf
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Thomas Gill died in 1901
informant his son Richard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05707/4609720.pdf
Catherine in 1915
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05263/4459996.pdf
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Thomas Gill, father Richard and Catherine Sullivan father Daniel married 1849
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFT-X69
marriage cert Bantry dirtrict, same as the Hodges Sullivan one.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6i/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6j/
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Richard Hodges and Jane Gill had an Unknown son in 1891 who lived for 15 minutes.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02363/1882558.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06051/4724274.pdf
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It looks like Eliza (Lizzie) had a son Edward in 1887 who died in 1888.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02500/1927152.pdf
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k6k/
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I was trying to find all the children of Richard Hodges and Margaret Sullivan.
In 1911 she says she had 10, 8 still living.
I've found 9, the 10th is probably before Civil Registration.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
John 6 May 1864
Richard 15 Aug 1866
Eliza 21 Dec 1867 Registered 1869
Thomas 22 March 1872
Allice 17 Jan 1874
Jonathan 20 July 1876 Registered as Hodghes
Anne 6 Feb 1879
Henry 18 June 1882.
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There was another son William in Upper Mammoth ? Utah
see no 6 here Henry Hodges a Quartz Miner travelling to his brother William 1915
first page
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99D4-BJK2?mode=g&i=843&cc=2185163
2nd page no 6
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9D4-B36L?mode=g&i=844&cc=2185163
description
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-29RC-D?mode=g&i=2074&cc=2185163
went to Halifax 1905
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSQQ-N1?mode=g&i=16&cc=1823240
William 1910 3rd from bottom a Gold and Silver miner born circa 1861
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYB7-9C6Q?mode=g&i=21&cc=1727033
William HODGE 1920 age 58 single Ore Miner says naturalised 1905
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRN2-79Q?mode=g&i=18&cc=1488411
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Hi. If I did my own genealogy research correct, this Richard Hodges born 1866 is my 1st cousin 3x removed.
His father Richard Hodges had 2 brothers (so uncles of Richard born 1866). One was John born 1842 and one was Thomas born 1840. Both John and Thomas ended up in Michigan, USA. Thomas is my 2nd great grandfather.
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I have read all of the links. Alice Seabury married Wm Hodges and they had a son named Thomas born around 1840 maybe in Kilaconenagh. I believe that he is Richard (b 1839) sibling. Thomas was married in Kilaconenagh to Sarah Carter 13 Mar 1860. Other than that, I can find no other information about Thomas or Sarah Carter. I believe that she was born in Ireland. Her parents were born in England. Sarah's father was a mine agent. I am not sure what that jobs entails but it took him from Cornwall to Cork. If you have come across these names at all, I would greatly appreciate anything you may have found. Thanks
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Thomas was married in Kilaconenagh to Sarah Carter 13 Mar 1860.
Link to marriage at Killaconenagh Parish Church. Richard Hodges one of the witnesses.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1860/09584/5475186.pdf
Civil parish of Killaconenagh.
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/killaconenagh2/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6113488
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Thank you for your help. I am trying to find the birth records for Thomas Hodges and Sarah Elizabeth Carter. I thought that since they were married in Kilaconenagh in 1860 that maybe they were baptized there as well. They were both born around 1840 or 1838. I have not had any luck finding any information regarding their birth records. I have seen posts that Thomas may have been born in Rathkeale, Limerick, but I have not found him there either. From this post it looks like his family lived around Kilaconenagh for quite some time. Any suggestions where to look would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I believe Killaconenagh church of Ireland was part of the parish for Berehaven, records go back to the 1780s and held by the RCB library in county Dublin, as far as I know Berehaven records or transcripts are not available online on any of the major websites - link to info (https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegisters/ABC/BerehavenParishRegisterList.pdf) The RCB parish listing also mentions some Microfilm records for Killaconenagh, held in the National Archives (Bishop St.) - no dates given
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Thank you athacliath62. Do you know how I would be able to access the information if it is not available online? I would have no way to get to the library as I am in another country. Thanks
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I dont think the Representative Church body carry out general searches, they might check if you had specific details for baptism or marriage etc., another way to search might be to employ a local researcher. They are working on a transcription project this could take some time, worth keeping track of this to see if Berehaven is covered at some stage : Anglican Record Project (https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/rcb-library/anglican-record-project)