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Title: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Wednesday 07 June 17 04:25 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am new to genealogy searching on the internet so please forgive my errs.
My wife initially asked for my help in searching her family tree and has now left the ball in my court.

I am seeking assistance with the 4th most common family name on RootsChat - Brown, in particular Browns of the Elsdon area. What I have so far (please correct if I have anything incorrect):

3 X GreatGreatGreat

Thomas Brown b: 25/05/1766 @ Girslee Miln d: date ? 1859  Elsdon
m: Elizabeth Hedley of Knightside b: 25/02/1781 bp: 09/11/1781 m:   ?    d:   date ? 1840  Elsdon

They had 7 children:

Mary b: 17/05/1809 Laingshill    d:   ?

Edward b: 07/02/1811 Laingshill   d:    ?

Thomas b: 19/12/1813 Elsdon    d:    ?

John b: 04/06/1815 Elsdon   d: 02/05/1883

Sarah b: 06/09/1818 Elsdon   d:

Mary Anne b: 08/10/1820 Elsdon    d: 08/03/1839 Tynemouth
 
Elizabeth b: 06/07/1823     ?   d: 06/05/1824

4th X GGGG

Edward Brown bp: 07/02/1722 Rothbury  d: 06/04/1791 Elsdon
m: Sarah Lowes b;25/07/1730  bp:28/10/1730  d:  09/03/1803 or 1805 Laingshill

They had 10 or 11 Children (unsure)

William  bp:  27/05/1753 Elsdon  d:   ?

John  bp:  26/01/1755 Elsdon  d: 07/05/1827
m: Elizabeth Jackson 19/05/1795

Lancelot  bp:  11/12/1757  Elsdon  d:   ?   1822
m: Elizabeth Pender 05/05/1800

Ann  bp:  22/04/1759 Elsdon  d:    ?

Mathew  b: 1760 (not sure if he belongs to this line?)

Elizabeth  bp:  19/02/1764 Girslee Miln   d:   ?  1808

Thomas  bp:  25/05/1766  Girslee Miln   d:   ?   1859
m:  Elizabeth Hedley 05/02/1809

Edward  bp:  08/11/1761 Elsdon  d:    ?
m:  Ann Hedley 08/06/1793 Elsdon

Sarah  b:    ?       d:  13/06/1768  Elsdon

Nicholas  bp:  27/05/1769 or 1770  Elsdon   d:    ?
m:  Jane Milburn 06/02/1806  Elsdon

Sarah  b: 1771 or 1772  bp:1777 @ 5 yrs old Girslee Miln  d:    ?

5th X GGGGG

William Brown  bp:  20/01/1695  Overacres  Elsdon  d:    ?
m:  Isabel nee  ??  b: 1694   married abt 1715 in Raw Elsdon   d:    ?

They had 4 Children

Edward  bp:  1722   Rothbury   d:  06/04/1791  Elsdon
m: Sarah Lowes

Lancelot:  bp:  24/10/1725  Rothbury  d:     ?
m: Mable Potts  10/10 1758  Durham

Ann  b:  12/03/1728  bp:  03/12/1728  Rothbury    d:   ?

Elizabeth  bp:  01/10/1732  Rothbury   d:   ?


6th X GGGGGG

William Brown (E)  b: abt 1660      d:   ?
m: Dorothy   b:   ?       d: 03/08/1700  Kirkharle

They had 4 Children

Anthony  bp: ?/02/1692 @ Hadderweek

Unnamed b & d: 26/03/1694  Hadderweek

William  bp:20/01/1695  Elsdon

Edward  bp:   ?     d: 29/11/1734 Girslee Miln

7th X GGGGGGG

Parents names and DOB unknown

They had 4 Children

William  b: abt 1660   d:   ?

Lancelot    b:   ?     d: 29/08/1699  Kirkharle

Thomas  b:   ?     d:  08/10 1706  Elsdon

Nicholas  b:   ?     d: 12/02/1750  Elsdon

Any assistance, corrections, additions or direction at this point would be greatly appreciated. Having difficulty from the Great Southern Land accessing data in the Mother Country.

Many thanks in advance
TCosy

Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 07 June 17 19:41 BST (UK)
Could you split this post up into one generation at a time it's very heavy for one post
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 07 June 17 20:04 BST (UK)
Elsdon
Alexander Brown
son of William and Isabel Brown
of Raw
baptised 25th August  1719

possible burial
Alex son of William and Isabel of the Moat
buried 2nd May 1723
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 07 June 17 21:05 BST (UK)
Edward Brown
son of Edward and Sarah
abode Girslees Mill
baptised Elsdon
8th November 1761
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 07 June 17 21:54 BST (UK)
Children of Lancelot and Mable Brown
Elsdon
May 21st 1758
Mable daughter of Mable Potts of Hatherwick a bastard child
the father was Lancelot Brown of Billismorefoot,soon after married 11th October 1758

Lanslott married Mable by licence you can access this document through familysearch org

John Baptised November 12th 1763
William baptised November 9th 1767
Elizabeth baptised August 28th 1768
Lanslott baptised August 26th 1770, buried June 17th 1771
Issabel baptised Jan 10th 1773
Mary baptised August 28th 1774
Ann March 6th 1776
Sarah May 18th 1778

Mable wife of Lanslott buried June 14th 1778
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Wednesday 07 June 17 23:46 BST (UK)
Thanks Radcliff

Like I said I'm new to this, apologies for the heavy post. Thought it was best to show the line I am tracing as the Brown family tree is HUGE with many branches and they all seem to have the same first name (William son of William who had William), so at times can be quite confusing.

Re: familysearch.org, have been using the site but without specific data it's like searching for a proverbial needle in a hay stack and quite often results can be incorrect guess work.

Thanks for taking the time and the pieces to our jigsaw. Dare I say keep them coming.:D

TCosy
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 07 June 17 23:53 BST (UK)
Anthony
son of William Browne Junior and Dorothy
abode Hadderweek was baptised on the 28 th Feb (added year 1691)
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 00:02 BST (UK)
the un named child baptised,  of William Browne Junior may have been the unnamed child
buried 25th March 1693
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Thursday 08 June 17 00:32 BST (UK)
Can you confirm the year Anthony son of William Browne Jnr was baptised. I have 1692?
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 00:35 BST (UK)
Have you looked at the Durham inheritance project
here are a few wills you may like to read,I tried to attach one here as I can not read it
but I was unsuccessful
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 00:46 BST (UK)
May 5th 1701
Anthony Browne ye son of William Browne of Hadderweek was baptised pauper
not sure if this one is yours
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 01:02 BST (UK)
1691 for the one you have as 1692
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Thursday 08 June 17 06:29 BST (UK)
Thanks. Not sure on #10, although I have heard some children were baptised several times ?
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 08:27 BST (UK)
Sarah Lowes and Edward Brown
marriage date 25th June 1752
both of this parish,
Baptisms,
William son of Edward and Sarah Brown of Hudspith,May 27th 1753
John as above ,Jan 26th 1755,abode Hudspith
Lanslot,as above,December 11th 1757 abode Lanshot
Ann,as above,April 22nd 1759 abode Lanshot, married a John Hall
Elizabeth,Feb 19th 1764 of Girslee Miln,possibly married to William Dodds
Thomas,May 25th,1766,of Girslee Miln,
Nicholas,May 27th 1770,aged 1 year of Girslee
Sarah aged 5 years,March 22nd 1777 also of Girslee Miln

Burial of a Edward Brown,abode Laingshill,April 6th 1791/92, Edwards will is available and very interesting it names the above children and he had a farm
Burial od Sarah Brown daughter of Edward and Sarah June 13 th 1768,of Girslee Miln
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: sillgen on Thursday 08 June 17 09:54 BST (UK)
1691 for the one you have as 1692
Don't forget the change of calendar in the mid 1700s.  Prior to that the year was not Jan to Dec so modern transcriptions sometimes alter it as if it was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_(New_Style)_Act_1750
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 10:18 BST (UK)
Elsdon St Cuthbert
Thomas Brown on his burial 8th October  1706  his abode is Ravenscleugh
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Thursday 08 June 17 11:35 BST (UK)
I am not sure if you have extra details such as
Thomas Brown who married Elizabeth Hedley was a farmer
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Thursday 08 June 17 23:29 BST (UK)
Hi Radcliff

Internet went down yesterday lost it for most of the day. We spent billions of $$$ on a new and better system, jury is out on that. I guess our forefathers had pigeons to carry messages and they to had problems. Ironical.

Any way back to task: No, do not know their occupations, if you have them would be greatly appreciated. If you don't mind me asking, where do you find details like that?

You also mentioned a will for Edward Brown, which Diocese, is it Durham? posted after I sent the message Had a look good pick. Thanks

TCosy

Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 09 June 17 08:44 BST (UK)
Durham inheritance project has pre 1858 wills available
free to view and free to download these give occupations also baptisms of later generations have fathers occupation included in baptism records,
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Friday 09 June 17 09:45 BST (UK)
Thanks will continue to trawl through. Thanks for your assistance so far.
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 09 June 17 18:10 BST (UK)
this book may be of interest to you
Lancelot capability Brown
The Omnipotent magician
1717 1773
by Jane Brown
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 09 June 17 20:03 BST (UK)
Isabel Brown daughter of Anthony
buried 23rd April 1727
abode Oldtown,Isabell daughter of Anthony Brown

Anthony Brown,of Oldtown
buried June 20th 1727
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Friday 09 June 17 23:03 BST (UK)
this book may be of interest to you
Lancelot capability Brown
The Omnipotent magician
1717 1773
by Jane Brown

Have heard of this book and of course Capability Brown but thought as he was not in direct line of my family branch, he could add little. However, as an after thought there may be some snippet of info in the early years that may link.

Have you heard of the book by Joseph Kenneth Brown "History of the Browns of Northumberland Northumbrians All" and do you know where I can get it?

Anthony didn't live long bp:28/2/1691 bu: 20/6/1727   36 Yrs. I guess they were a hard 36 yrs given the times.
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Tickettyboo on Sunday 11 June 17 15:29 BST (UK)

Have you heard of the book by Joseph Kenneth Brown "History of the Browns of Northumberland Northumbrians All" and do you know where I can get it?


The LDS have a copy and have digitised it.
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/oclc/866419748?availability=Family%20History%20Library

It looks like its only viewable from a Family History Centre.
https://familysearch.org/locations/  you can search for your nearest one on that page.

Boo
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Monday 12 June 17 02:56 BST (UK)
Thanks Tickettyboo,  since my last email I managed to locate the same as you and have located an LDS research site within 1 hr of me so will attend. Have I noticed previous posts by you on other "Look Up Requests" re the Browns of Elsdon / Northumberland?

TCosy
Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: Tickettyboo on Monday 12 June 17 03:38 BST (UK)
Thanks Tickettyboo,  since my last email I managed to locate the same as you and have located an LDS research site within 1 hr of me so will attend. Have I noticed previous posts by you on other "Look Up Requests" re the Browns of Elsdon / Northumberland?

TCosy

I hadn't previously posted to this thread, but I do have a John Brown in my tree who is elusive.
If ever you come across a John Brown, who grew up to be a tailor and  was of an age to be the father of Mary Ann Brown born c 1817, who for many years has resolutely refused to be found in the records prior to her marriage in Northumberland in 1842, I'd be 'very' interested in hearing about him :-)

Hope the book is helpful in your research.

Boo

Title: Re: Help requested - Browns of Northumberland
Post by: TCosy on Monday 12 June 17 09:24 BST (UK)

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I hadn't previously posted to this thread, but I do have a John Brown in my tree who is elusive.
If ever you come across a John Brown, who grew up to be a tailor and  was of an age to be the father of Mary Ann Brown born c 1817, who for many years has resolutely refused to be found in the records prior to her marriage in Northumberland in 1842, I'd be 'very' interested in hearing about him :-)

Boo
[/quote]

Book who knows, this searching for clues is like a chicken in a paddock scratching for a flea.

Will keep my eye out. Not sure if you are in my branch of the Browns. My Mary Ann b:1820 d:1839 / F; Thomas Brown bp: 1766 M; Eliz Hedley bp: 1781, that's not to say your not a feeder off the top part of my tree.

Guess John would have been born going on generational theory maybe 25 -30 years before Mary Ann. Born perhaps around 1780?
Will keep my beak close to the ground and if I turn up your worm will let you know and conversely if you find any of mine please advise. Cheers

TCosy