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Title: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: diabak on Saturday 10 June 17 13:46 BST (UK)
I have William Hextall born circ 1815, convicted in LeicesterQS Jan 1837, of stealing cows, transported to Tasmania for life. Williams record states his native place as Sapcote.
I have Joseph Hextall, born circ 1819 also convicted in same QS in Jun 1837 of essentially the same crime, transported to NSW for  life.
William married in 1836 and had a daughter, Jane Maria in 1836, before transportation.
How can I prove, or disprove these 2 men are related?
Thanks
Di
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 10 June 17 14:30 BST (UK)
There is a possible christening for William?

Date of Birth: 19th December 1817
Christened: 15th January 1818  at Weslyan Methodist, Hinckley
William Hextall, son of William & Mary

(Sapcote is just a few miles from Hinckley)


And a possible christening for Joseph:

Date of Birth: 27th July 1819
Christened: 11th November 1832  at Carlton by Market Bosworth, Leicestershire
Joseph Hextall, son of John & Catherine

(Carlton is 14 miles from Sapcote?)
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: MaureeninNY on Saturday 10 June 17 16:44 BST (UK)
I'm only seeing one Joseph HEXTALL on the convict's lists. He was born ~1812 Leics.?

His crime was "maiming a cow". ( from a newspaper article it looks as though it was due to being jilted by his girlfriend).

Maureen
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: willsy on Saturday 10 June 17 20:17 BST (UK)
The other baptism I can see is

Joseph Hextall 27 Mar 1812, Redmile, son of Joseph and Elizabeth

Looking a head, on transportation,

Occupations
Joseph....brickmaker
William...butcher
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: diabak on Saturday 10 June 17 23:19 BST (UK)
I have tried to get some clues from the naming patterns for their children.
Josephs children were..Hannah, Joseph, Mary, George, Thomas, Edgar and Elizabeth.
Williams were..Thomas William and Mary Agnes.  he only had 2 known children.+Jane Maria who he left in the UK.
Are there any Leic records online that I can access? There are so many possibles that I can't confirm.
Just seems too much of a coincidence with them both being convicted in the same court in the same year.
Di
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: MaureeninNY on Saturday 10 June 17 23:55 BST (UK)

Just seems too much of a coincidence with them both being convicted in the same court in the same year.
Di

Oh well.
No...I don't understand.

Joseph's crime was different.  (also he was living in Sutton Cheney?)

Why link the two together. ???


Maureen
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: diabak on Sunday 11 June 17 01:31 BST (UK)

as I can't find a confirmed baptism for either William or Joseph, it still remains a possibility.
The ages on conviction, and transportation, and marriage, and death all give a general idea, but nothing definite.
Family old-timers still tell rumors of a family  connection, but nothing definite.
Will have to try and find baptismal records somehow.
Di

Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: Artypie on Sunday 11 June 17 14:33 BST (UK)
There is a Carlton born Joseph Hextall on the 1851 census (it approximates his YOB as 1820) which is almost certainly going to be the same dude as the 1819 born one, so it obviously wasn't him who was transported for life.
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: diabak on Sunday 11 June 17 21:34 BST (UK)
Great so this at least rules one out, brings the possibles to less.
Joseph Hextall
Gender   Male
Christening Date   11 Nov 1832
Christening Place   CARLTON BY MARKET BOSWORTH,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date   27 Jul 1819
Father's Name   John Hextall
Mother's Name   Catherine
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 11 June 17 22:13 BST (UK)
 :)
Again the 1819 birthdate  does not tally at all with the records of convicts.

Try 1812.

The other baptism I can see is

Joseph Hextall 27 Mar 1812, Redmile, son of Joseph and Elizabeth

Looking a head, on transportation,

Occupations
Joseph....brickmaker
William...butcher
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: Artypie on Tuesday 13 June 17 23:54 BST (UK)
Redmile is near Melton though when the crime was out Sutton Cheney way wasn't it?
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: diabak on Wednesday 14 June 17 00:58 BST (UK)
I did find the trial online a while ago, but didn't save a copy as Joseph  wasn't the direct relative I was looking at.  I did note that he was convicted of 'molesting a cow'
Joseph Hextall
Age:   25
Estimated birth year:   abt 1812
Date of Trial:   26 Jun 1837
Trial Year:   1837
Location of Trial:   Leicestershire, England
Sentence:   Transportation
...Joseph Hextall
Age:   27
Birth Year:   abt 1811
Birth Place:   Leicestershire
Arrival Year:   1838
Arrival State:   New South Wales
Ship:   Lord Lyndoch 3
Occupation:   Farm labourer

My direct rel is William Thomas,.
details I have for him are/..
William Thomas Hextall was tried and convicted on 3nd Jan. 1837 for stealing two cows and sentenced for life. (Age 22) His 'Native Place' was recorded as Sapcot (presumably Sapcote) His 'Trade' was "Butcher, Plowman, Labourer, Shepherd."
His description was: fresh complexion, sandy hair, hazel eyes, no markings.
He was sent out on the "ELPHINSTONE" in 1837. It left London 29th May, 1837.
Arrived Hobart 2nd Oct.1837. (Elphinstone 2 142)
His record as a convict of that voyage states:
Transported for stealing two cows. Received a "Good report" on his trial. Connections believed respectable.
Hulk report good ONE CHILD Stated this offence: Stealing 2 cows.
MARRIED XXX  WIFE MARY AT STONY ARTIFORE???poss Warwickshire?

1. William Extall
Gender   Male
Christening Date   16 May 1811
Christening Place   SAPCOTE,LEICESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Edward Extall
Mother's Name   Mary





Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: Artypie on Saturday 17 June 17 18:03 BST (UK)
Stony Stratford maybe?

I read the case with the attack on the cow, he hit two of it's legs with a piece of wood and shattered the bones. it died two days later.
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: Jomot on Sunday 18 June 17 00:00 BST (UK)
My direct rel is William Thomas,.
details I have for him are/..
Hulk report good ONE CHILD Stated this offence: Stealing 2 cows.
MARRIED XXX  WIFE MARY AT STONY ARTIFORE???poss Warwickshire?

Previous thread gives details of the child & marriage (reply #4)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765883.0
Title: Re: HEXTALL's from Leicester
Post by: Throop23 on Friday 26 April 19 22:35 BST (UK)
Hey everyone. Does anyone have any information about Joseph hextall born 1819? My neighbor has had his family tree done and this joseph has come up on his family tree. The joseph hextalls parents names were John hextall and Catherine. Is anyone on here related to these people too.