William Henderson born 1849 bo'ness linlithgowshire married margaret casey from newton glasgow date of marriage 23 june 1872 at crofthead lanarkshire scotland her father was william casey and mother was Mary they went to new zealand in 1874 and lived in westport waimangarua there they had children william peter margaret james and isabella i am trying to trace my gg grand fathers family he lived in linlithgowshire . how can i find his marriage certificate i been lookin g on many sights but no luck i got the place and date but no luck of recording can someone please advise me what to do
William Henderson born 1849 bo'ness linlithgowshire married margaret casey from newton glasgow date of marriage 23 june 1872 at crofthead lanarkshire scotland her father was william casey and mother was Mary they went to new zealand in 1874 and lived in westport waimangarua there they had children william peter margaret james and isabella i am trying to trace my gg grand fathers family he lived in linlithgowshire . how can i find his marriage certificate i been lookin g on many sights but no luck i got the place and date but no luck of recording can someone please advise me what to do
You say you have tried 'many sights'. There is only one reliable site for looking for this sort of information. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
Having said that, there is no listing of such a marriage in the index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk so there is obviously something odd about this marriage.
Various possibilities spring to mind
- Did they just invent a date and place of marriage for the NZ birth records?
- Did they marry by declaration before witnesses, but not get round to having the marriage registered?
- Did they change their names on emigration, for some reason?
The place of (the alleged) marriage doesn't really help, because there isn't a parish or registration district of Crofthead. As a place name, Crofthead is very common. A quick check on http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ tells me that Crofthead crops up in 10 of the Name Books for Lanarkshire alone, and there are many more references in other counties.
SP has 139 marriages of a William to a Margaret in Lanarkshire in 1872. Using the IGI at FamilySearch, none of these marriages were on 23 June, so that method doesn't work.
First of all, have you got either or both of them in the censuses before they emigrated? And did they have a child in Scotland before they emigrated?
thank you i saw what i think is both of the on the censuses 1861 and 1871 but just gives name and age not real address just areaDid you look at the original on Scotland's People? Not all the available transcriptions give all the information that is in the original.
hi again do i find out the address of the person in the censuses can i order it the full thing like who else was at the address like the mother father my ggg parents on that censuses or is that pushing it too farthank you i saw what i think is both of the on the censuses 1861 and 1871 but just gives name and age not real address just areaDid you look at the original on Scotland's People? Not all the available transcriptions give all the information that is in the original.
Hi,
one censuse file number is 1851 1042511 for william and file number 103847 1861 for margaret its dosent give other people just them they wore children then hope that is a help
Can you post what you have found so far please as a reference?
All names on your transcriptions will be the people in the household.
Annie
hi again do i find out the address of the person in the censuses can i order it the full thing like who else was at the address like the mother father my ggg parents on that censuses or is that pushing it too farNo, it is not pushing it too far.
BTW forget about the numbers you quoted. They are reference numbers created by whatever site you looked at to get the index entries and they are no use for looking up the originals.
BTW forget about the numbers you quoted. They are reference numbers created by whatever site you looked at to get the index entries and they are no use for looking up the originals.hi im trying to send a letter that i got with there imformation l page but this sight wont let me send the page it tells me 900 pb so anoying how can i send to you apart from thisthanks from peter again
Thanks Forfarian,
I did ask "Can you post what you have found so far please as a reference?" which was asking for the info. not reference numbers.
A link would have been an idea as those numbers don't tell us a thing as you've more or less stated.
Annie
Hi All,
hi thete again enclosed is some more imformation on my great grad father and gg mother my great grand mothers parents names wore william and mary casey i dont know her mothers madien name they came to new zealand on a ship called Strathnaver on the 1 st june 1874 and arrived in wellington on the 31st augaust 1874 from wellington they went to westport in the south island from there went to a mining town called warmongers a mining town coal and some gold it is there they gave birth to my gran father william on the 26 February 1877 then they had a daughter called margaret born on the 7 th september 1879 then in another son called peter born on the 28 th march 1881 then,,in 25 december 1883 had a daughter called isabella then had a son called james born on the29 june 1890 some time later the mines must have slowed down i hird that my grand father went to australia and came back to nz when he was 20 he went to katikati and met a eva dunn she was born 1899 they lived ther life in katikati and waihi area they had my father named William so many william on 28 th december 1926 plus a daughter called beverly later married a shine well my great grand father has gone of the radar now my great grand mother some how re married and became an o'connell and died in september 14 tg 1934 my life long dream is to find where we really come from my two sons and daught keep asking me the question i just say i think it linlithgowshire my great grand father and great grand mother in newton glasgow area my health is not the best and i am pray that i could take my sons to where there great grand father was born and a merrical that we could go back further in the line i was thinking of getting the henderson clan dna test to try and get closer linage can any body give me an idea is it worth the cost of it that is about as much imformation i have i been looking for weeks trying to locate in differnt sights still zero marriage certificates hope i can get help my time is running out thanks for your help so far to all i will waite for a good news email soonnn
Peter emailed me the copy of death certificate of Margaret Casey,who died at 81 yo on 14 September 1934 at Point Chevalier, 24 Moa Road. she was a widow who had married twice, second husband Michael O'Connell who she married at 63. She was buried at Hillsborough on 16 Sep 1934.
It states she was first married at 18 in Scotland to William Henderson and had 5 sons and 3 daughters.
It also states her parents were William and Mary Casey (no maiden surname), William was a miner apparently.
I have searched Scotland Peoples and LDS Family Search site and cannot get a marriage of William Henderson and Margaret Casey.
Further questions for Peter,
1 - Do you know when and where they landed in NZ?
2 - Can you list the children of William and Margaret Henderson's 5 sons and 3 daughters names and approx date of births?
3 - Do you know her mother's maiden surname?
Tom Buchanan
Hi All,
Peter emailed me the copy of death certificate of Margaret Casey,who died at 81 yo on 14 September 1934 at Point Chevalier, 24 Moa Road. she was a widow who had married twice, second husband Michael O'Connell who she married at 63. She was buried at Hillsborough on 16 Sep 1934.
It states she was first married at 18 in Scotland to William Henderson and had 5 sons and 3 daughters.
It also states her parents were William and Mary Casey (no maiden surname), William was a miner apparently.
I have searched Scotland Peoples and LDS Family Search site and cannot get a marriage of William Henderson and Margaret Casey.
Further questions for Peter,
1 - Do you know when and where they landed in NZ?
2 - Can you list the children of William and Margaret Henderson's 5 sons and 3 daughters names and approx date of births?
3 - Do you know her mother's maiden surname?
Tom Buchanan
Hi Peter and all,
there was also a peter born on the28th march 1881 in waimangaroa issabella 25th 1883 waimangaroa james born 29 th june 1890 waimangora maragret born 7 th september 1879 at westport so most born in mining town of waimangora
Will try our best to get your questions answered soon as. There is a co-incidence the ship that they arrived on was the "Strathnaver", that is my address, 7 Strathnaver Gardens.
From your reply and the death certificate, I have taken the following, can you fill any gaps.
William Henderson, b 26 Feb 1877 Warmongers. SI. (GGF)
Margaret Henderson, b 07 Sep 1879
Peter Henderson b 28 Mar 1881
Isabella Henderson, b 25 Dec 1883
James Henderson, b 29 Jun 1890
On NZ Death Certificate that you emailed me,
Ages and sex of living issue, at date of death.
M 61
M 53 possible Peter Henderson, b 28 Mar 1881
M 49
M 47
M 43 possible James Henderson, b 29 Jun 1890 ( should have been 44)
M 40
F 59
F 50 possible Isabella Henderson, b 25 Dec 1883
F 46
Tom Buchanan
Hi All,yes the strathnaver sunk on 1875 near the auckland islands lucky my gg grand parents came in 1874 talk about fate just now cant find there marriage papers
While searching for passenger lists for the Strathnaver, came across this article, that suggests the Strathnaver was rescued by the SS Stormbird on 31st Aug 1874. Click on link.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WEST18740915.2.17 (https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WEST18740915.2.17)
Tom Buchanan
i found them on the passanger list dated 1 june 1874 left london that day got wellington 31 augaust 1874 i found there names on the passanger list says name and place of birth linlithgowshire a mine and maragret henderson 20 y old
Hi All,yes the strathnaver sunk on 1875 near the auckland islands lucky my gg grand parents came in 1874 talk about fate just now cant find there marriage papers
While searching for passenger lists for the Strathnaver, came across this article, that suggests the Strathnaver was rescued by the SS Stormbird on 31st Aug 1874. Click on link.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WEST18740915.2.17 (https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WEST18740915.2.17)
Tom Buchanan
"the passanger list says name and place of birth linlithgowshire a mine and maragret henderson 20 y old"
Can you please confirm if this is a name (is that the correct spelling) or what is the correct spelling & what was the sex/age?all the ship list said was william henderson linlithgoshire miner age 24 and maragret henderson 20 on the strathnaver out of london 1 june 1874
If that was a child born in Scotland the marital details will be on the birth.
Annie
"the passanger list says name and place of birth linlithgowshire a mine and maragret henderson 20 y old"
on the lboat list under henderson there was also a john aged 1 then another john aged 20 and a isabella aged 11 the john henderson aged 20 said in transit to s/m not sure where s/m is i thought samoa ..?... on that one dont know if related to william or maragret though
Can you please confirm if this is a name (is that the correct spelling) or what is the correct spelling & what was the sex/age?all the ship list said was william henderson linlithgoshire miner age 24 and maragret henderson 20 on the strathnaver out of london 1 june 1874
If that was a child born in Scotland the marital details will be on the birth.
Annie
"the passanger list says name and place of birth linlithgowshire a mine and maragret henderson 20 y old"but it said all from linlithgowshire
on the lboat list under henderson there was also a john aged 1 then another john aged 20 and a isabella aged 11 the john henderson aged 20 said in transit to s/m not sure where s/m is i thought samoa ..?... on that one dont know if related to william or maragret though
Can you please confirm if this is a name (is that the correct spelling) or what is the correct spelling & what was the sex/age?all the ship list said was william henderson linlithgoshire miner age 24 and maragret henderson 20 on the strathnaver out of london 1 june 1874
If that was a child born in Scotland the marital details will be on the birth.
Annie
"On the boat list under Henderson there was also a John aged 1 then another John aged 20 and an Isabella aged 11. The John Henderson aged 20 said in transit to s/m not sure where s/m is, I thought Samoa ..?... On that one, I don’t know if related to William or Margaret though."
Peter, It could be that John Henderson aged 1 is the Male born 1873,
i need to email the boat list may i please have an email
Ages and sex of living issue, at date of death."On the boat list under Henderson there was also a John aged 1 then another John aged 20 and an Isabella aged 11. The John Henderson aged 20 said in transit to s/m not sure where s/m is, I thought Samoa ..?... On that one, I don’t know if related to William or Margaret though."
Peter, It could be that John Henderson aged 1 is the Male born 1873,
Ages and sex of living issue, at date of death.
M 61 possible b 1873 John Henderson as on passenger list.
M 53 possible Peter Henderson b 28 Mar 1881
M 49 possible b 1885
M 47 possible b 1887
M 43 possible James Henderson, b 29 Jun 1890 ( should have been 44)
M 40 possible b 1894
F 59 possible b 1875
F 50 possible Isabella Henderson, b 25 Dec 1883
F 46 possible b 1888
Any chance that you could email me a copy of the passenger's list of the Strathnaver that brought them to NZ.
Tom Buchanan
M 61 possible b 1873 John Henderson as on passenger list.
M 53 possible Peter Henderson b 28 Mar 1881
M 49 possible b 1885
M 47 possible b 1887
M 43 possible James Henderson, b 29 Jun 1890 ( should have been 44)
M 40 possible b 1894
F 59 possible b 1875
F 50 possible Isabella Henderson, b 25 Dec 1883
F 46 possible b 1888
Any chance that you could email me a copy of the passenger's list of the Strathnaver that brought them to NZ.
Tom Buchanan
Peter,
Can I suggest that you don't click on 'Quote' at the top right of a post. Click instead on 'Reply' at the bottom. It is making it very difficult to see your reply. I will send my email address again by PM, but I already sent you it earlier.
sorry i have one eye and am using a i pad i will send list later on to day hopefully it works thanks from peter henderson
Tom Buchanan
Worked it out ,"trans to s/w" is transfer to Single Women passenger list,Oh, very good, Tom :)
and "trans to s/m" is transfer to Single Men passenger list.
There are also Barbara Smith Henderson, baptised 24 December 1851, and an unnamed child born 9 February 1856.
1851 Census, Birngreen Schoolhouse, Kilsyth
James Henderson, 41, parochial schoolmaster, born Airdrie; wife Agnes, 26, born Linlithgow; son William, 11 months, born Kilsyth, and a servant lass. No mention of Bo'ness anywhere.
TIMELINE
c1849 birth of William Henderson in Bo'ness, Linlithgow-shire (From passenger list)?
c1854 birth of Margaret Casey (from death info.)
1872 (23 Jun) married Margaret Casey at Crofthead, (Carnwath)? Lanarkshire (Dau of William Casey and Mary) – (Surname u/k)
1874 Immigrated to New Zealand
Pre c1917 death of William Henderson
c1917 remarriage to Michael O'Connell (who she married at 63) – (from death info.)
1934 (14 Sep) death of Margaret (Casey/Henderson/O'Connell)
The death cert. for William Henderson is what’s needed now.
Without a specific date, have you checked if he was still alive when any/all of his children married?
No, on one of the posts, Peter (kiwican) said that Willian Henderson done a runner, but not sure when he disappeared. I do not think he knows when/where he died.
HENDERSON JOHN 1873
664/ 32 Carriden
HENDERSON JOHN 1874
663/ 228 Bo'Ness
HENDERSON JOHN 1874
663/ 190 Bo'Ness
Hi All,
I suspect that William Henderson aged 24 and John Henderson aged 20 are brothers, and I have managed to get 2 of them on SP website.
William Henderson parents James Henderson/Agnes Marshal 25 Jun 1850 Kilsyth, Stirlingshire.
John Henderson parents James Henderson/Agnes Marshal 26 Mar 1854 Kilsyth, Stirlingshire.
Tom Buchanan
There are also Barbara Smith Henderson, baptised 24 December 1851, and an unnamed child born 9 February 1856.
1851 Census, Birngreen Schoolhouse, Kilsyth
James Henderson, 41, parochial schoolmaster, born Airdrie; wife Agnes, 26, born Linlithgow; son William, 11 months, born Kilsyth, and a servant lass. No mention of Bo'ness anywhere.
I have been looking into this family trying to prove what I think is fact, i.e. that William 24 and John 20 are brothers.
Newton (Cambuslang)? & Crofthead (Carnwath)? appear to both be in South LanarkshireDon't go down that road unless you want to confuse things further.
It is never easy, but feel we need some definite facts from New Zealand end.Yes.
Could Isabella be aged 11 months, not 11 years?!
on margarets death certificate it says her parents william casey amd mary casey im confused who buchanans areeee please explane ?
Forfarian and Tidybooks if the marriage was Roman Catholic, then is that why they don't appear in the IGI at Familysearch?It should not be, because Roman Catholic marriages were not exempt from being registered, and this one obviously was registered because it is on Scotland's People.
The William Henderson and Margaret Buchanan marriage is the only one in the timeframe in West Lothian that could fit that I could find for any William Henderson. (I wonder if they both were literate, could they write or did they sign x on this marriage)
William Henderson born 1849 bo'ness linlithgowshire married margaret casey from newton glasgow date of marriage 23 june 1872 at crofthead lanarkshire scotland her father was william casey and mother was Mary they went to new zealand in 1874 and lived in westport waimangarua there they had children william peter margaret james and isabella i am trying to trace my gg grand fathers family he lived in linlithgowshire . how can i find his marriage certificate i been lookin g on many sights but no luck i got the place and date but no luck of recording can someone please advise me what to do
I think that the name Margaret Buchanan was an error on the 1872 marriage cert.
Should have read: Margaret Buchanan Casey
Gosh... I cant find it again without wading over the last 13 pages but one of our RC members ( I think Forfarian) obtained the 1873 death record for Peter Casey.76 Berryhill Rows, Wishaw, parish of Cambusnethan.
Where did he die?
can i go one back on james hendersons parentsYou've lost me. Who is James Henderson? Is he the schoolmaster married to Agnes Marshall? If so, he is a red herring. Your William Henderson's father was another William.
the nz birth site is telling me isabella born in 1884 not 1883
Was it the same place as Elizabeth Casey married (Palmerston, Otago)?
Was it the same place as Elizabeth Casey married (Palmerston, Otago)?
Palmerston, Otago is in New Zealand.
NZbdm 1888/130 Elizabeth Casey Samuel Henry Hollows
Still trying to figure out how you know this is Margaret Caseys sister, Paperspast?
i been tring to get any detailed maps of muldron row west calder from 1840 to 1900 not much luck can any one help
I looked at the death of Ann McGill or Henderson. She is described as the widow of William Henderson, miner, and daughter of Morton McGill and Ann, maiden surname not listed, or it might be McGill again.
William Henderson's place of birth shows on all census returns as: Crawfordjohn, Lanarkshire
Ann/Agnes McGill's place of birth fluctuates between Ireland and Maybole, Ayrshire ( no difference eh!)
Can I ask where William Henderson & Ann McGill were both born please?I see I've been beaten to it - just as well because I too had forgotten :-[
Apologies if I've missed it on this long thread or forgot?
I'm sure that it was Forfarian who located the death of William Henderson which stated that his parents were called Peter & Agnes
I can't locate William or these parents at 1841.
I find it odd that William and Ann/Agnes had 3 known sons ( William, James and John) yet none were named for either of their grandfathers... ie fathers listed on the death certs of William and Ann/Agnes?
I looked at the death of Ann McGill or Henderson. She is described as the widow of William Henderson, miner, and daughter of Morton McGill and Ann, maiden surname not listed, or it might be McGill again.
So William was alive in 1861, but dead by 1872. Sure enough, he died in Whitburn in 1867, parents Peter Henderson and Agnes Thomson.
From the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses noted upthread William and Ann/Agnes McGill had
William, born 1846/7
James, born 1848/9
Agnes, born 1851/2
John, born 1852/3
Isabella, born 1862/3
From the IGI, they had
Marion, born 4 December 1857
Marion, born 8 December 1859
Isabella, born 23 May 1862
Margaret, born 10 May 1865
Of those, only Isabella was with her parents in 1871.
Marion Henderson, aged 0, died in Whitburn in 1858
Marion Henderson, age not listed, died in Whitburn in 1860
Margaret Henderson, aged 2, died in Whitburn in 1866
william henderson died on the 3 rd june 1892 may he rest in peaceWhere?
It also listed her Parents names as Peter Casey and Mary Arbuckle, as your contributers deduced.Excellent! That seems to nail it all quite well.
I am now fairly certain that each of them had a sibling who were also a married couple!
Andrew Arbuckle bc 1829 in Cambuslang was also the son of Andrew Arbuckle and Mary Shaw
Peter Casey had a sister named Janet Casey bc 1832.
( I posted the 1841/1851 census for the Casey family earlier on this thread)
The dates dont match exactly she remarried in 1916 and on that certificate said widow from 3rd june 1892 on death certificate said he died 24th may 1892
more information found out that this was not my great grandfather in in nelson hospital in 1892 so our search goes on for William william was said to be working in the helensburgh colliery area in 1893/94 after leaving hartley vale
more information found out that this was not my great grandfather in in nelson hospital in 1892 so our search goes on for William william was said to be working in the helensburgh colliery area in 1893/94 after leaving hartley vale
Hi, on a very very long thread there's a post about your William's deathwilliam henderson died on the 3 rd june 1892 may he rest in peace
and the following quote explains that it was not for your chap :) (I am assuming it was for a death in NZ, rather than in Nelson Bay, NSW :)more information found out that this was not my great grandfather in in nelson hospital in 1892 so our search goes on for William
JM
ADD it is around 8:50 am on Monday 13 May 2019 as I note that there's something confusing me. I can now see that kiwican's quote made in 2018 has been reposted but has been expanded upon without any explanation. I have long understood that RChat restricts modifications to the first 24 hours only. Very odd. JM
You will need to read this. 1894
I think he did desert if this item has the right man
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/137273261
Sue
Yes, Agree Annie, we are not duplicating each other, rather we are striving to sort ;D
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812769.0 This is the live link to the thread on the Australia board.
he was in a newspaper article dated 29 september 1894 william and margaret henderson in a listed court matter
JM
Yes, Agree Annie, we are not duplicating each other, rather we are striving to sort ;D
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812769.0 This is the live link to the thread on the Australia board.
he was in a newspaper article dated 29 september 1894 william and margaret henderson in a listed court matter
JM
more information found out that this was not my great grandfather in in nelson hospital in 1892 so our search goes on for William william was said to be working in the helensburgh colliery area in 1893/94 after leaving hartley vale
Rosinish,
I can't find any trace of the Henderson/ McGill marriage either.
Marital info was added to birth certs from 1861 onwards
Therefore, the parents marriage date and place should be entered onto the 1862 birth cert for the child named Isabella and also the 1865 birth cert for the child named Margaret.
Isabella 1862 stat reg 673/140
died in NZ in 1883
1865 Margaret birth may 9 bapt may 14 Crofthead whitburn, Scottish catholic OP records
1866 died aged 1 year. same source