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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: redtonyt on Thursday 22 June 17 10:07 BST (UK)
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I am putting together the Family Tree of my late sister-in-law for her children etc.
One of Brenda’s 2xGgmothers was Jane Moignard born 1830 in St Helier, Jersey. With access to Jersey records her pedigree seems reasonably straightforward. However, her husband is a different matter; he was William Richard Beck born probably at the very end of 1830 in St Helier. His baptism took place on 2 January 1831, as the son of William Beck and Mary Moles. Problems arise with this couple as I can find no record after the baptism of their second son John James in 1833, again at St Helier. All I have to trace them is the detail of their marriage on 18 July 1829 at St Helier. This document says that William Beck was of the Parish of Charge (Chard?) in the County of Somerset and Mary Moles was of the Parish.
There is a possible baptism of a William Beck at Chard in 1811 but, until I have more information on his later life I am loathe to go forward on this.
By 1861 William Richard Beck (working as a Shoe Maker) was living in Walworth, Lambeth, Surrey. Jane was there plus four children, the eldest of whom was Mary Jane born 6 Dec 1853 in St Helier.
I cannot find anything of either couple on the 1841 nor the 1851 Census.
Please can anybody help with any sort of information, that could assist towards tracing the elusive William Beck and Mary Moles. Also anything on their son before he and his family left Jersey.
Thanks in advance,
Tony
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Was his Father alive on William Richards M/C?
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All the Marriage Certificate (23 Dec 1850, Parish of St Helier) says is that his Father, William Beck was a Shoemaker. It does not mention if he was deceased.
Tony
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Hi
I can see Jane on the 1841 census
St Johns Road
George Moignard 45 mason
Jane 40
Mary 15 milliner
John 14 shipwrights app.
Eliza 12
JANE 10
Ann 8
Susan 6
Robert 4 All born on same Island
HO107 / 1461 / 13 / 24 / 7
Can't see William on either census - have you tried searching out the Godparents listed on his and his brothers baptisms ~ Richard Randel and Elizabeth Randell nee MOLES ? If the parents had passed away they could be with them, but I can't find them either.
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No, I have not looked at the brother's godparents but will do so later.
Tony
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I've had no luck either in tracing the Becks in earlier Census either.
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Did you find your William Beck? I'm looking for mine with similarities to yours.
My William Beck was probably born around 1806 in (?) England. He died before 1857. He was shoemaker. He had a son Thomas b1833 (or 1832) in St. Heliers, Jersey where he and his wife (?) lived for a time. Son Thomas was also a shoemaker and married Lydia Doorey in Lambeth, Surrey. He died in 1895 in Wandsworth. I'm wondering if there is a connection to the Wm Beck you were looking for.
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I think the simplest answer is that I have found nothing definitive. However, on the balance of probability, I believe that the William Beck, that fathered William Richard, was baptised at Chard, Somerset on 14 April 1811. He was the son of Richard and Betty (nee Palfrey) Beck.
William Beck married Mary Moles on 18 July 1829 at St Helier, when he was said to be of the Parish of Charge (Chard) Somerset. Apart from this marriage all I have been able to find is two baptisms where William is noted to be a Shoemaker. I have not found any baptism for a Thomas although that doesn't mean one does not exist. I have not found any death nor census returns!
Apart from the clear link to Chard, the Beck Family has a history of Shoemakers, including in all likelihood William's elder brother Richard.
There is also a Will of a Samuel Palfrey (father to a Betty) who was a Shoemaker of Chard.
So, as I say nothing to be 100% on but, some good circumstantial evidence.
Best wishes,
Tony
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Some additional circumstantial evidence.
There are two further marriages, in St Helier, of Becks from Chard in Somerset.
1826 July 30 Ann Beck (John Burniket) born 1806 at Chard, older sister to William?
1833 Apr 8 John Beck (Mary Ingram of Woodland, Dorset)
Tony
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Thank you Tony for this information.
Off to search in that direction.
Deb
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An update on what I have discovered re: Beck Family St. Helier -
son William was born 1831 and the godparent was Richard Randal, father Wm, a shoemaker, mother Mary(Moles)
In 1833 a son John James was born, godparent Elizabeth Randall(nee Moles - wife to Richard Randal) and John Thomas Desjardins, father Wm., a shoemaker and mother Mary (Moles)
It's highly likely that the person entering the information in the register got the godfather John Thomas muddled with the son John James.
Around 1850's both Wm Beck and Thomas Beck - both shoemakers - appear in London England, living not far from each other.
Thomas Beck appears on every census taken in London, England from 1861 to 1891 as having been born in Jersey, Channel Islands in 1833 and occupation as a shoemaker.
Thomas Beck's first son was named Thomas John. On his son's death certificate, it states his fathers first name was John and on his marriage certificate to his second wife, his father is listed as Thomas John.
In 1881, Thomas Beck was in the Battersea Infirmary. Perhaps details during his stay there may provide additional detail to confirm the mis-entry in the Baptism record but those details are not on-line. Searching for the records personally is not possible as I live in another country.
(John) Thomas Beck born April 1833 St. Heliers died 1900 (or 1901) Clapham, Battersea, London. Married to Lydia Lewis (Doorey)b1841-d1927
Lydia is buried in Morden Parish (Croydon) Surrey and most likely Thomas is buried there too.
Deb
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A John Thomas Dujardin did exist at that time in Jersey. He was born in 1810 and was a China and Glass Merchant - whether he was the godfather is of course another question.
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Since Dujardin sounds like Desjardins he might well be the godfather.
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Yet another update on the Beck Family of St. Helier...
On a passenger of list 1833 arriving in New York, there are a number of Becks - Sarah, John & Ann and their spouses & children.
Richard Beck & Betty Palfrey had at least 9 children.
#1 child Sarah Beck b1796 Chard, married John Thorn in 1820, Chard,and in 1826 moved to Jersey, Channel Islands. I think they had 8 children there. In 1833 they appear on the manifest to NYC.
#2 child was John Beck b1798 Chard. He married Mary Ingram in Jersey, Channel Island, 1833. He also appears on the same manifest. Interestingly, in his will of 1862 in Busti, Chautauqua, NY, is mentioned Richard (brother) and William ...could this be William & Mary Moles? along with other relatives such as Sally Thorn and John & Richard Barnecott, 2 of Anne Beck's children....and others who are likely married children of his siblings. No other siblings were mentioned so does that mean they weren't living or weren't living in USA?
#5 child was Anne Beck b1806 Chard. She married John Barnecott 1826, Jersey, C.I. They had 3 children. John Barnecott died in 1833, Jersey, C.I. but widow Anne sailed with her 3 children along with her brother and sister in later that year. I think she re-married in NY to a man named Rowe.
I haven't found the emigration documents for Richard and Betty Palfrey, nor for William and Mary Moles. However in an 1860 Census for NYC, Richard appears and there is a gravestone for he and Betty (Elizabeth) in Busti, Chautauqua, NY, USA.
Meanwhile, the son of William Beck & Mary Moles - John James Beck a.k.a. Thomas Beck b1833 St. Heliers is elusive. Every census, every marriage certs for himself and his children and every baptism certs for his children has his name being Thomas.
Sometime between Aug. 1899, when he signed the marriage cert. for his son John George, and the 1901 Battersea census where his wife Lydia is a widow - he died. But I cannot find his death record anywhere. Not on Ancestry, FindMyPast, GRO.
I did find a Thomas Beck that died in 1900, Croydon, but it wasn't him.
It appears from what I have found though is a number of the Richard & Betty's children moved to St. Heliers around 1826. Some left in 1833, others around 1850's and many went to New York, USA
Deb
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The mystery of the correct name for the son of William Beck & Mary Moles is solved.
He is Thomas James Beck b1833, St. Heliers, Jersey.
Godparents: John James Desjardins and Elizabeth Randall (sister of Mary Moles)
On the St. Heliers baptism register it appears as John James Beck - likely muddled with godparent. Throughout his whole life, we went by Thomas as per census and his signature on children's marriage certificates.
On his first born son's birth certificate, his wife Lydia was the informant and entered the father's name as Thomas James Beck.
I cannot find his death date but is was between 1899-1901 in Battersea where he lived after leaving Jersey.
The whereabouts of his parents William Beck b1811 Chard, Somerset and Mary Moles b1811 St. Heliers, Jersey after 1833 remains a mystery.
Deb
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The records of St Heller in Jersey show that Mary Moles, wife of William, was buried on Nov 2, 1833
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The Mary Moles that died in 1833 was the wife of William Moles. The whereabouts of their daughter Mary b1811 and her husband Wiliam Beck b1811 remains a mystery. While William's siblings and parents left Jersey for the US, it appears that William and Mary stayed in Jersey. Their sons, William Richard b1831 and Thomas James b1833 appear in the late 1850's in London. Both employed as shoemakers as was their father.
William Richard married Jane Moignard in 1850 in Jersey and had their first child b1853 in Jersey. Their second child was born 1856 in Shorditch. Thomas James married in 1857 to Lydia Lewis Doorey in London.
In the will of John Beck who died in the US, part of his estate was left to his brother William Beck. So he must have been alive in 1862...but where was he and his wife Mary Moles?