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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: KeithTruman on Thursday 29 June 17 14:32 BST (UK)
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Dear all
After a lot of help a couple of weeks ago I still have 1 big question. I am searching for George and Elizabeth Fox in 1841, where were they?
I know.....
1) George Fox was born in 1796 in Wootton Glanville
2) Elizabeth Fenton( born 1818 in Salisbury, Wiltshire) married George Fox in 1838 in Minterne Magna) I don't believe their first child was born before 1841 (Hamilton Fox; November 1841; Middlemarsh); George's father was Jacob Fox
3) George Fox was a Basket Maker
4) George Fox died Sept 1850 in Minterne Magna; the Informant was Jacob Fox, perhaps George's brother Jacob and son of Jacob
The million dollar question is, "where were George and Elizabeth Fox in 1841". I have tried and failed to find them).
Any help would be so much appreciated
Keith
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There is a birth April/May/June 1838 in Stourbeidge Rg District of an unnamed male child, Fox, with mums maiden name Fenton.
COuld that be an earlier child of this marriage?
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The marriage was not until the December qtr 1838 Dorchester whereas Stourbridge is in Worcestershire.
The nearest Fox/ Fenton marriage to that rough locality is 1823 Edgbaston - Thomas Fox to Harriott Fenton
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Could they have been living separately? I know some of the details don't quite match but its the right general area, the ages are about right, and the addresses are within easy walking distance of each other:
Garden House/Sherborne Castle, Sherborne - George Fox 45 Agricultural Labourer - born in county
Newland Street, Sherborne - Eliza Fox 25 Female Servant – not born in County
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Acreman Street, Sherborne - Elizabeth Fox 19 Female Servant - born in County
ADDED: An Ann Fenton aged 15 is also in Sherborne in 1841 - possible sister of Elizabeth?
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Could they have been living separately? I know some of the details don't quite match but its the right general area, the ages are about right, and the addresses are within easy walking distance of each other:
Garden House/Sherborne Castle, Sherborne - George Fox 45 Agricultural Labourer - born in county
Newland Street, Sherborne - Eliza Fox 25 Female Servant – not born in County
or
Acreman Street, Sherborne - Elizabeth Fox 19 Female Servant - born in County
ADDED: An Ann Fenton aged 15 is also in Sherborne in 1841 - possible sister of Elizabeth?
Elizabeth was not bic, so more likely the Newland street one
previous post on this family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772955.0
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Elizabeth bapt Salisbury d/o Samuel and Elizabeth, There are two other children bapt to Samuel and Elizabeth Fenton in Dorchester Emma (1824) and Ann (1826)
Samuel was a coachman on Elizabeth's baptism, servant on Ann's, not mentioned on Emma's. This was non-conformist baptism and gives mother's maiden name as Bennett. May not all be the same Samuel / Elizabeth couple.
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Ann Fenton was witness at Emma's marriage to John Thrush in 1843, and Emma was witness when Elizabeth married George Fox, so it does look like the same family group.
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Dear all,
Thank you for your posts to date.
Liz- when I look in BMD for births in 1828, I don’t see the mothers Maiden Name. Would you mind advising me on where you found the name Fenton please. I am thinking this unnamed male Fox child in 1838, mother Fenton, may very well be a first child for George Fox and Elizabeth Fenton, born out of wedlock?
Regarding the Fenton’s I do believe we have confirmed the family group:
As well as Elizabeth, Samuel and Elizabeth Fox had a number of other children.
1 Mary Ann Fenton* 1814, Blandford Forum, Dorset
2 Elizabeth Fenton 4th April 1818, Salisbury, Wiltshire
3 Emma Fenton** 1st March 1824, Fordington, Dorset
4 Ann Fenton*** 5th October 1826, Fordington, Dorset
5 Herbert Fenton**** 15th January 1834, Dorchester, Dorset
Regarding the 1841 Census entry for Ann Fenton, aged 15, I think this def is Elizabeth’s sister who had been born in 1826 in Fordington.
Whether the 2 separate entries in the 1841 Census for:
Garden House/Sherborne Castle, Sherborne - George Fox 45 Agricultural Labourer - born in county
Newland Street, Sherborne - Eliza Fox 25 Female Servant – not born in County
..are George Fox and Elizabeth living separately, who know. For the George Fox entry, I just wish the occupation stated had been Basket Maker as opposed to Ag Labourer. Just wish I had found them together!
Thanks again, Keith
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The mother's maiden name was only given for the non-conformist baptism - Emma in 1824. I was not 100% certain it was the same family as 1 NC baptism in the middle of C of E one was a bit odd. But it looks like it is now confirmed it is.
Also came across a marriage of a Mary Ann Fenton in London father Samuel Fenton innkeeper, but put it down as a coincidence because of location, but it could also be same family, I'll try and find it again
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Looks like Bennett was her middle name, there is marriage in Dorchester 1st Jan 1817, Samuel Fenton to Elizabeth Bennett Brown. witnesses look like William and Elizabeth Eames. All parties signed.
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Mary Ann Fenton married Henry Robert Hodgson widower captin in 31st artillery on 13 May 1848 at St Mary, Lambeth. The record notes her father was deceased. One witness was Sarah Fenton. Have you come across her?
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There's a Sarah Fenton bapt at Langton Long, nr Blandford on 12 sep 1808 d/o Samuel and Elizabeth Fenton. This seems a bit odd if Samuel and Elizabeth didn't marry until 1817.
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Hi Lizzie, from other records (ie the Will of Samuel Fenton) I know he was an Inn Keeper. Thanks for all you are doing.
Keith
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Samuel is on 1837 jury list. Samuel Fenton, Innkeeper, White horse Inn, Middlemarsh
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Just noticed Samuel made his will in 1832, some years before he died, his abode is Dorchester then.
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There's a Sarah Fenton bapt at Langton Long, nr Blandford on 12 sep 1808 d/o Samuel and Elizabeth Fenton. This seems a bit odd if Samuel and Elizabeth didn't marry until 1817.
Maybe Samuel was married before to another Elizabeth. There's a marriage in 1805 of a Samuel Finton to Elizabeth Bussey. Apart from spelling of surname, the signatures are a bit similar
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You should be a detective Lizzie. Just found out that the White Horse Inn in Middlemarsh is now known as the Hunters Moon and has a big connection to the author Thomas Hardy (not helping me to find George and Elizabeth Fox in 1841 with any certainty but all very interesting eh?:
The essence of Hardy's novel 'The Woodlanders' revolves around a small rural community he calls the Hintocks centred on Middlemarsh. Just beyond 'The Hunter's Moon' the Dorchester road divides. To find Hardy's 'Revellers Inn', take the left hand fork for half a mile down the original old coaching turnpike and, set back, you will see the little changed Lower Revells Farmhouse. This was once a posting house of no mean size and is where Tim and Suke and the wedding party were bound after: 'Just walking round the parishes to show ourselves a bit'.
The present roadside frontage of the Hunter's Moon, with its three ground floor bay windows is unchanged since Hardy's day when his friend, pioneer photographer Herman Lea, described it as: 'a picturesque building of weatherworn brick; the tiled roof is laid to a pattern and the tiles themselves are moss-grown, the chimneys are massive and elaborated with dentil courses under the copings'. Much extended now - but with great sympathy - the comfortably welcoming beamed interior rambles around in several linked areas. A cosy, soft-lit relaxed intimacy is created with loads of bric-a-brac, open log fires and a great variety of tables, chairs and booths created from settles.
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There is a burial of an Elizabeth Fenton age 32 on 10 Aug 1815 in Tarrant Gunville, abode Langton nr Blandford. Pity it doesn't say whether she was married and if so whose wife she was. but age, date of death and residence would all fit with Elizabeth Bussey of Tarrant G being Samuel's first wife.
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Perfect. Finding Samuel had been married before he married Elizabeth Bennett Brown solves a problem I had. Elizabeth's sister, Mary Ann Fenton had been baptised in Blandford in 1814 and I was wondering why it had taken 3 years for Samuel and Elizabeth Bennett Brown to marry in 1817. Of course, Mary Ann's mother was Elizabeth Bussey-makes perfect sense.
Thanks again Lizzie
Keith