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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: Woolry on Friday 07 July 17 09:04 BST (UK)
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I want to find the link between family name Curley and Roscommon in Ireland?
My great, great grandfather was Joseph Curlie who in lived at Grove Street. Wantage, Berkshire in the 1800's He married Sophia Collins. My family have always believed that he or his father was from Roscommon?
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Hello and welcome ;)
Is he the Joseph born abt 1843 and married to Sophia here?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFX2-TRZ
Regards
Heywood
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Have you also found the family as Kerley - or similar?
1861 736/89/43 has him transcribed as Kerby on one site but it reads Kerly.
What is his father's name on his marriage certificate?
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I would think that this is him in 1851
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKM-H4X with parents Luke and Harriett Kerley.
As you can see Luke is also born in Berkshire so if there is a Roscommon connection it is before then.
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Heywood,
yes that is right Joseph Curley and Sophia Collins were married on 24th December 1859 Joseph's father is on the certificate as John Curley Farm Laborer Wantage
Cant find anything before that?
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I was thinking that the name Luke was significant :-\
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Are the witness names any help?
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The 1749 Elphin census has a Curley family in the Parish of Ardcarn which is between Boyle and Carrick on Shannon. The index of names for the census shows several that could be alternative spellings of Curley. Family search shows many Curley births in Roscommon from 1789 onwards. Christenings are shown as being in Drum which is between Ballinasloe and Athlone . Residence is shown as St Peters Westmeath. They include a Joseph Curly (sic) christened on 18 August 1792. All this proves nothing other than Curl(e)ys were in Roscommon so is an avenue for further research.
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I have Curleys in my line and they were from the border of Roscommon and Galway near Ballinasloe
There were several families in the area all unrelated and referred to by ancestors names or house locations to distinguish them.
There is a tree on line that states that Joseph's father was named Luke and that Luke was born in Coxwell, Berkshire on Oct 30 1809; you would first need to confirm his father's / parent's names especially if his marriage certificate states a different one.
If you are looking for a family pre1800 the search will be very difficult given the lack of records and accurate information
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Thanks for all the replies;
The signatures are signed on "behalf of" as (probably couldn't write) and the witnesses are one of Sophies relatives and the other is a completely different name.
They did name one of their sons Luke but that is probably quite common?
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As they could not read or write is it possible a mistake was made on the marriage certificate.
What address did he give on the certificate because Luke and Harriett Kerley/Kerly always lived on Southampton Street.
1891 census Joseph is a widower 44 his age is off s/b 49-51 with 2 daughters Alice 20 and Ruth 18 still living with him they are lodging with a Mary Clack age 41 on Southampton Street. Then go back to 1851 on Southampton Street 3 doors up is the Clack family Mary being the youngest.
Just in case using the new GRO Index, the last 4 children of Luke and Harriett nee Bellinger, Mark, Elias, Arthur and Luke were all registered as Kerly, mmn Bellinger except Mark when it is spelled Ballinger.
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Thanks for that but I do think Curley with a C is most likely as the Children are Curley
They lived at Grove Street Wantage and Stirling Lane
My grandmother's mother was Rosa, later know as Rose Curley. She had sister and brother but some died young. Ruth and Alice survived and Joseph lived with them when re was old. But its his father that I cant find. John Curley? I am wondering if it was John Curley who came from Ireland?
Must have been early 1800's?
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All the children of Luke and Harriett Kerly of Southampton Street by the time 1871 the name was spelled Curley/Curly on census and marriage records.
Please remember they could not read or write, their name would be spelled however the person taking down the details thought was the correct way to spell it.
I know Joseph lived on Grove Street Wantage and Stirling Lane, but if you check 1891 he is back on Southampton Street Faringdon with his daughters Ruth and Alice perhaps on a visit.
His wife Sophia died 1885 age 45 her death being registered at Witney in Oxfordshire, they were living in Alverscott Oxfordshire 1881
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Thanks for the information. I am visiting Wantage in a few weeks and I will see if I can find a birth certificate for Joseph that may shed light on his father and name of his mother?
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On every census although he lived in Wantage he states he was born in Farringdon Berkshire.
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Thanks for your help. Yes I can see that Joseph lived with Ruth and Alice in 1891 and he worked as a Groom but I still cant find his birth certificate or any record of his birth other then it was 1842 in Faringdon Berks? Also that he died in 1901 Faringdon aged 61?
I thought if I could find his parents I could find his father?
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I would still think that he is the Joseph, son of Luke but it is difficult to prove. His first son is Luke which is often an indicator of kinship and your Joseph maintains his birthplace as Faringdon.
That Joseph is 4 yrs in 1841 so you would not find a birth certificate for him and baptism records seem difficult to find.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Faringdon,_Berkshire_Genealogy
1851 - he is 15 yrs
then your Joseph is here:
1861 21 yrs born abt 1839 - Kerly
1871 28 yrs abt 1843 Curley
1881 39 yrs abt 1842 Curley
1891 47 yrs abt 1844 Curley
1901 death 62 yrs
I do not have access to newspaper records but Joseph Kerley/Curley is mentioned in two different newspapers regarding an assault and Mary Ann Clack.
The name variations seem to be interchangeable or as people assumed the spelling.
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That is interesting and thank you for finding out all that information but I think Joseph's father is John as he was a witness at his marriage to Sophia? Maybe they are all related?
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Do you mean that John was named on the marriage certificate as 'father'? In reply 9 you said the witnesses were a relative of Sophia and an unrelated person.
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I have searched around again - the only John I can see is this one. You could try this death certificate.
I can't see him in 1841 and neither can I see a birth for a Joseph who would fit.
John Kerly, 28 yrs March quarter 1847 volume 6 pg 164 Faringdon
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Thanks once again for your research. Sorry to have been misleading. I have Joseph Curly's marriage certificate At the Baptist Chapel Wantage and it states:
Married 24th December 1859 Joseph Curley 21 years to Sophia Collins 21 years
Joseph Groom Father John Curley Farm Laborer
Sophia's Father Thomas Collins Farm Laborer (deceased)
witnesses/ in the presence of the mark of Peter Collins and the mark of Emma Attwell (I think, cant read the writing)
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Thank you.
I still favour Luke as his father for all the reasons outlined by amongd earlier and it is very difficult to follow up due to the lack of parish records.
I have tried to see if there is a female Kerly/Curly marriage in case he was illegitimate or mother was widowed and therefore he could be under a different surname in 1851 but nothing leaps out of the censuses.
I would think that the death of certificate of the John Kerly could be useful, to perhaps confirm or eliminate him from your research.
It does happen that names are recorded in error for whatever reason.
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Thanks for all your help. I am a novice in doing research so I don't know how I can find John Curly's death certificate if I haven't got anything to go on?
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You will have to send for the certificate - £9.25
https://www.gov.uk/research-family-history
I gave you the reference earlier.
The above page is linked to this site. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
It is a useful site for checking mother's maiden name. You need to register - free and then click on 'Order certificates online' ( do this just to check with no commitment).
You can also search deaths. I did this to find John Kerly and it gave his age which again is useful to know.
This site is a fairly new initiative and is a great help.