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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: akissling on Saturday 08 July 17 00:13 BST (UK)
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I am trying to help find the marriage of Charlotte Keane born in Auckland in 1868 (daughter of Edward Keane and Elizabeth or Eliza Hardy). We know she was born in 1868 and her death certificate states she married Thomas Dolby when she was 30 in New Zealand. Thomas might not be the correct first name as her father's first name was incorrect on the death certificate. Family notes state that Dolby was a Reverend and that they immigrated to Australia. They had a daughter, Dollie Lillian Dolby, maybe born in Melbourne. I have had no luck searching the NZ BMD for their marriage using variations of Keane (e.g. Caine, Keene etc) and Dolby (Dolby, Dalby or Dalbie) with no luck. I can't seem to find a reference to a Rev Dolby in the newspaper either. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks so much!
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The birth registration...
1868/13660 Keane Charlotte Elizabeth Edward
Can you tell us where the name of Jenkinson fits in please.......
Minniehaha.
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Could this be her death?......
1951/22649 Dolby Mary Charlotte 84Y
Minniehaha.
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Died as Charlotte JENKINSON - 1960 - New South Wales.
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Can you please list all the details on the death certificate. What BDM certificates do you have for this family?.
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Hello akissling
Is that your "family tree" (for Charlotte) on ancestry ??
~ Lu
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Charlotte's (married) daughter is the informant to her death and provides the information >
"1st marriage ... New Zealand ... at age 30 ... Thomas DOLBY"
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... her death certificate states she married Thomas Dolby when she was 30 in New Zealand. Thomas might not be the correct first name as her father's first name was incorrect on the death certificate. Family notes state that Dolby was a Reverend and that they immigrated to Australia. They had a
daughter, Dollie Lillian Dolby, maybe born in Melbourne.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/224162276?searchTerm=dollie%20dolby&searchLimits=
Dollie's marriage ^.
* Do you have Dollie's marriage certificate, and who does she name as her father and what is his occupation ?
* Why do you suggest that Dollie was maybe born in Melbourne ??
~ Lu
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There is not a birth registered in Victoria for one Dol* DOLBY
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One Dollie Lilllian ??
A mother named Charlotte did not have a child named Dol* between 1889 and 1910.
A mother named Charlotte KEANE did not have a child in Victoria between 1889 and 1910
Death Notice was published-
KIRBY Dollie Lillian
Death notice 9JUL1988
Aged 86
Late of Wentworth Falls
Sydney Morning Herald 11JUL1988
Sue
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HI
Charlotte Dolby married James Jenkinson Sydney no 13327/1914
Muss
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Thanks everyone! James Jenkinson was Charlotte's second husband. The tree found is another relative's that I am working with to solve this mystery. The information about Dolby being a reverend and that Dollie was born in Melbourne came from family notes and discussions. I at least feel better that I haven't missed something in the BMD in NZ. I don't have the marriage certificate of Dollie so that should be the next thing to try. Thanks everyone for your help so far!
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Thanks everyone! James Jenkinson was Charlotte's second husband. The tree found is another relative's that I am working with to solve this mystery. The information about Dolby being a reverend and that Dollie was born in Melbourne came from family notes and discussions. I at least feel better that I haven't missed something in the BMD in NZ. I don't have the marriage certificate of Dollie so that should be the next thing to try. Thanks everyone for your help so far!
It is not sound research to say James was Charlotte's second husband.
The documentation to date does not support this. You do not have any documents to support a first marriage.
You will not make progress in your search until you acquire a transcription of the marriage between Dollie DOLBY and Edgar KIRBY.
Even then, one must bear in mind that the bride was possibly giving information for the registration which she had got from her mother. Possibly true, possibly not..
Sue
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Thanks Sue. Your points are valid but I have the information that Jenkinson is her second marriage because we have Charlotte's death certificate and that is what it states. I will order the marriage certificate in the hopes that something is helpful there. Thanks.
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Thanks Sue. Your points are valid but I have the information that Jenkinson is her second marriage because we have Charlotte's death certificate and that is what it states. I will order the marriage certificate in the hopes that something is helpful there. Thanks.
The MC may have some good clues. ;D
Death certificates are the most unreliable of BMD records.
There are many reasons for this.
The informant may be-
Affected by grief and confusion
Saving face and protecting the reputation of the deceased
Restating erroneous information based on family stories.
etc.
So, just because a death certificate states a case, it may not be the truth. As you have said, the informant had Charlotte's father's name in correct, so what else ::) A marriage?
Having said that, have you looked at Rev Charles DOLBY.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/213570999
There are some records of him on Trove archives. A missionary to the South Seas in Australia in the early 1900's.
Charles is the only Rev DOLBY I have spotted in Australia.
Sue
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Hi
Family tree on this site http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ has Charlotte married to a William Ernest Telfer 27 Jan 1888
Muss
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hi
NZ marriages Charlotte Hardy to William Telfer 1888/345
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hi
NZ marriages Charlotte Hardy to William Telfer 1888/345
This Charlotte died in NZ 1954, the one the Poster is looking for, died in 1960 NSW.
Cheers
KHP
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Birth......
1870/108 Hardy Charlotte Charlotte William Henry
Minniehaha.
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hi
The tree lists Charlotte's parents and siblings, the owner of the tree has the wrong Charlotte
Muss
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hi
The tree lists Charlotte's parents and siblings, the owner of the tree has the wrong Charlotte
Muss
I see what you mean Muss. :) Yet different on Ancestry, the Telfer tree I mean.
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks everyone. Again, these little clues help to rule out or in. I will do a bit more hunting with name variations but it is good to know I didn't miss something obvious. You can see on the death cert it states his name as Thomas Dalby but in every other document it is Dolby.