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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: rosieM on Saturday 08 July 17 08:08 BST (UK)
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Anyone that can find Richards birth cert? Iv sent for 1858 worksop but after checking further find its not him hes 13 on 1871 census notts. He may be under Price. Sneaking feeling this family changed their name to Parnham. Stuck on this family for 10 yrs😱😩thanks
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Do you have his fathers name & occupation. Where do you have him on census.
Births were not necessarily registered at this time so there may not be a certificate ;)
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Iv sent for 1858 worksop but after checking further find its not him
What evidence have you got to confirm that birth is incorrect?
Is he the 13 year old with parents George & Jane plus 8 siblings?
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Have you got a marriage for George & Jane? **
Checking out the children there is Sarah born Lincoln 1870 - possible birth with mothers name Attrick.
Birth for Samuel Attrick Parnham 1865 Workshop - none of which is finding Richard's birth but might help.
** Now there's a marriage in Worksop 1866 with George Parnham Jane Attrick
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Who were named as the parents on the 1858 Worksop birth you sent for? Mothers name Wilson.
There is this marriage in East Retford 1852 with
George Parnham
Jane Hooson
John Ramsdall
Sarah Wilson
Might be going off track but throwing it in there just in case George remarried and Sarah was mother of Richard and possibly some of the other children.
Thomas Parnham born 1860 Worksop has mothers name Wilson so I think you might have the right one after all if parents are George and Sarah (fingers crossed!)
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Just out of idle curiosity; I looked for both Parnham and Attrick, in the BOB. Neither came up ???
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Excuse my ignorance but what is the BOB?
If rosieM could confirm details from the Worksop 1858 birth and why it is wrong maybe we can move forward on the right track :)
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Excuse my ignorance but what is the BOB?
:-X Sorry, Miliepede. I forget not everyone's used to me saying that. The Book of Bob, as I call it. Click my 'Home Page' button, to the above left there ;)
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Right thank you :D
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Right thank you :D
Thank you Millie for asking ;D
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When in doubt ;D
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Posted on behalf of rosieM
Thank you Millipeed it was jane and george i was looking for. But iv connection to wilson. Did George wed Jane hooson? I think this might break it if i can find the mother of the eldest children. Thanks so much. Ps cant seem to find reply on rootschat on my phone
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Can you confirm the parents details on the birth you have for Richard please?
My theory is the mother of Richard was Sarah Wilson (marriage 1852) then George married Jane Attrick (marriage 1866) but I could be wrong.
It all hinges on what the birth says.
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Can anyone find the birth for Alice c1852 Nottingham?
Thomas in Jun 1860
William in Mar 1862
Worksop both have MMN Wilson
but there are 2 births in East Retford with MMN Hooson
George Henry Mar 1853
George Mar 1854
so certainly needs a bit of untangling :-\
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Is this what you are hoping for :-\
June qtr 1851
Hatterick Alice
Nottingham 15 637
no mmn on GRO index
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It could be her, can't find any other contenders :-\
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It could be her, can't find any other contenders :-\
It has ruled out it could help me. But its her I feel. Unwed mum Jane i think. And regards Richard Parnham Im just waiting for the cert😐 think Id found it was Sarah and Thomas. But it will be here any day to make certain.
Since my post this week and with all of you helping, and Carole, I have found births for all the Hatricks bar Jane (pre 1837) but it looks like im wrong abt her being any other than Hatrick now Iv done that. Least thats settled.
How her son came to be named Price (proven by death record involving property etc) is the big mystery. I had even thought he may have had diff mother..but he uses JH.s name for his middle name and gives it his daughter Graces middle name. A lady in Lincoln library made a point last wk that the Jane on the 1861 census may not be Jane Hatrick. Hence this search. Yet if not, the the Alice named along with my George may not be Alice Hatterick either. What a nightmare my ancestors are to track😵😢 he must be there somewhere. And until found nothing can move forward. Hes the father of both my gt grandfathers (brothers). thank you all for your kind help ..
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Excuse my ignorance but what is the BOB?
If rosieM could confirm details from the Worksop 1858 birth and why it is wrong maybe we can move forward on the right track :)
Hiya Millipede and any other helping hands ;) Im pleased to say I was Wrong not the Cert. Have just got it for Richard Parnham, M; Jane Parnham MN Wilson. Confirmation ;) :D Im guessing also now that the certificate I already have for George Price (Parnham on Census 1861 but legally Price) b 1854 in Lincoln is the correct one. F; George Price, M; Jane Price MN Wilson. Living in Lincoln then. I did come across another child, in 1848 & Mary Price b also in Lincoln 1856 , possibly died but no other entry for that family in Lincoln after that.
One more thing, on Samuel A Parnham's birth Certificate, same address as Richard P. M; Jane Parnham MN Attrick. Is this one Lady? or Two different ones? if I can get to the bottom of this, I, WE have cracked it !! ;D ;D
* Found wed Thomas Price & Jane Wilson Nottingham? 1847 Mar 15 756
*Can anyone find this Thomas on 1851 Census please?
* or George Price? maybe his middle name used later
*Jane Wilson? b Doncaster (same place as Jane Hatrick/Attrick?) I know where Jane H is 1851.
*George Parnham couldnt be found either 1851! Did the family simply switch name? Both Parnham and Price on Birth certs occ 'Chair Mender or Chair maker. ::) :o
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It could be her, can't find any other contenders :-\
Any Ideas if the Jane Wilson ( mother of the first batch of kids) and Jane Attrick mother of the second batch are one and the same? Cant find any wedding for GP to a Wilson. How do I get to the truth? Thanks
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How do I get to the truth?
Painstaking research, Rosie. Fingertip searching. Fully papered. From our own Birth Certificates. Back. Through our parents. And theirs. And so on.
Moment ye can't find a paper able rellie? STOP! Sit there, like a toad. Call them / it a Brick Wall.
Casting around for peeps to hammer in, on the basis that " THIS could be them ..... " Chuck in a bit of; " What if ....? ". Ye gonna make a rod for ye own back :(
I speak with the best will. I spent ages, and lots of energy, believing one of my peeps must have been dashing between places, telling the Enumerator different stories.
Why couldn't I just see there were two, even three, people with the same names, in one small area? ::) It happens.
Work with the paper. It's in there 8)
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Anyone that can find Richards birth cert? Iv sent for 1858 worksop but after checking further find its not him hes 13 on 1871 census notts. He may be under Price. Sneaking feeling this family changed their name to Parnham. Stuck on this family for 10 yrs😱😩thanks
Found him. Mmn Wilson later the other childrens Mmn is Attrick
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Im about to cut my losses. Cant go forward as both my gg fathers were brothers😨 and their father was born between census. Is there any other way to track/find the man who supposedly was with their mother? Ive 2 birth certs and and maybe a birth where the child died the next year. Theres nothing but the parents names. Im not sure they even exist..apart from my gggfathers birth registry suggesting his mother did give birth before she met my mans stepfather. Its all covered under earlier posts on Richard Parnham /George Parnham and George Price on roots😨😦😣😩😵
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Im about to cut my losses. Cant go forward as both my gg fathers were brothers😨 and their father was born between census. Is there any other way to track/find the man who supposedly was with his mother? Ive 2 birth certs and and maybe a birth where the child died the next year. Theres nothing but the parents names. Im not sure they even exist..apart from my gggfathers birth registry suggesting his mother did give birth before she met my mans stepfather. Its all covered under earlier posts on Richard Parnham /George Parnham and George Price on roots😨😦😣😩😵ps have sent for marriage cert 1866 Attrick & Parnham. May show if either wed before at least.
Threads merged.
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Im about to cut my losses. Cant go forward as both my gg fathers were brothers😨 and their father was born between census. Is there any other way to track/find the man who supposedly was with Jane Parnham (which Jane remains mystery) prior to her getting with George Parnham senior? Ive 2 birth certs and and maybe a birth where the child died the next year By the same mother. Theres nothing but the parents names. Im not sure they even exist..apart from my gggfathers birth registry suggesting his mother did give birth before she met my mans stepfather. Its all covered under earlier posts on Richard Parnham /George Parnham and George Price on roots😨😦😣😩😵ps have sent for marriage cert 1866 Attrick & Parnham. May show if either wed before at least.
Is it possible to get anything more off a Census than what is visible to us by visiting Lincoln Library Please? Apologies. Im sure Im driving you all as potty as this family are sending me. But im a dog with a bone ::) :'(
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Who were named as the parents on the 1858 Worksop birth you sent for? Mothers name Wilson.
There is this marriage in East Retford 1852 with
George Parnham
Jane Hooson
John Ramsdall
Sarah Wilson
Might be going off track but throwing it in there just in case George remarried and Sarah was mother of Richard and possibly some of the other children.
Thomas Parnham born 1860 Worksop has mothers name Wilson so I think you might have the right one after all if parents are George and Sarah (fingers crossed!)
Sadly George and Sarah didn't marry.. I sent for the cert😥