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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Hayjood on Sunday 09 July 17 04:13 BST (UK)
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My great grandad David Young came to New Zealand on the ship 'Storm Cloud' 1861 with his parents Joseph & Jane Young. I have found a passenger list but no Christian names or ages so a bit vague. I am hopeful that someone can help me find info about Joseph & Jane. Where did they live, get married & where, parents names & names of other siblings. David was 6 yrs when they arrived in NZ. And they sailed from Glasgow. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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My great grandad David Young came to New Zealand on the ship 'Storm Cloud' 1861 with his parents Joseph & Jane Young. I have found a passenger list but no Christian names or ages so a bit vague. I am hopeful that someone can help me find info about Joseph & Jane. Where did they live, get married & where, parents names & names of other siblings. David was 6 yrs when they arrived in NZ. And they sailed from Glasgow. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Were any of David's siblings with them and if so what were their names and ages? What was the date of departure? If it was after the date of the census (7 April 1861) you should be able to find them in the census.
Looking at the IGI on FS, there are seven families with husband Joseph Young and wife Jane having family in Scotland between 1850 and 1870. However four of these can immediately be ruled out because one or more children were born after 1862, leaving three couples to consider.
Joseph Young and Jane Wishart had
Joseph, born 23 March 1856
Mary and Margaret (twins), born 7 January 1858.
Allison, born 17 March 1860
all in Bathgate, West Lothian. This family appears to be in Bathgate in the 1861 census index: Joseph, 37; Jane, 37; Alexander, 19; Janet, 18; Jane, 14; David, 11; Andrew, 9; Catherine, 7; Allison, 1.
Joseph Young, aged 1, died in Bathgate in 1858. Margaret Young, aged 0, died in Bathgate in 1858. Another Margaret Young, no age given in index, died there in 1860. I wonder if this could be her twin Mary, with an error in the record? Another Joseph Young, no age in index, died in Bathgate in 1860. The age of Jane's son David seems to rule this out as being your Young family, but how sure are you of his age on arrival in New Zealand? You can check by viewing the original documents on the SP web site.
Joseph Young and Jane Cameron had
John, born 2 January 1856
Alexander, born 14 January 1858
both in Edinburgh
Joseph Young and Jane Yule had
John Yule, born 5 July 1850
in Liff Benvie and Invergowrie, Angus
Of course it is quite possible that your Joseph and Jane are not in the records at all.
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HI there there is a possibility this could be the family of David Young although the birth year is out
1861 Census address Drumcross Road Bathgate Scotland
Joseph Young age 37 born about 1824 Bathgate Scotland
Jane Young age 37 ( Bathgate Scotland
Janet 18,Jane 14 ,David 11 ,Andrew 9, Catherine 7,Mary 3, Allison 1
All born Bathgate Scotland
Uk Death records at sea
Allison Young b 1860
Died 13 July 1861
Ship Storm Cloud
See records for this family in N Z
Did David marry 1879 to a Mary Jane Kerr ?
Marriage for Joseph Young
29 March 1843 Bathgate
Spouse Jean/Jane Wishart
Rosie
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Looks like the same family on the 1851 census
Address High Street Bathgate
Joseph Young age 27 occupation hand loom weaver
Jane Young age 27
Janet 8,Jane 4,David 1
Would say this is Joseph Young on the 1841 census
Address North Street Bathgate West Lothian
David Young age 49 born about 1792 West Lothian occupation (H L W )
Mary Young age 49 born West Lothian
Joseph Young age 18 occupation ( H L W)
Mary Nimmo age 5
Rosie
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Good finds, Rosie. I think you've cracked it.
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Good finds, Rosie. I think you've cracked it.
Yes I think so as can see marriage and death records for this family in New Zealand
Rosie
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Death for Joseph Young 25 August 1891 aged 68 years
Jane Young 7 August 1910 age 86 years
Portabello Cemetery
Otago New Zealand
Death for his son Andrew Young 1 July 1925
Aged 72 Bathgate Scotland
Burial Hillsborough Auckland
Rosie
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1841 census for Jane Wishart
Address North Street Bathgate West Lothian
Andrew Wishart age 48 occupation H L W
Janet Wishart age 46
Barbara 24,Jane 17, Catherine 11,Margaret 9 ,Mary 7,Thomas 4
A tree on Anc;;;;y has a tree on Jane Wishart with a picture of her and Joseph Young
Information on the deaths for her parents Andrew Wishart 1857 Bathgate
Janet Wishart other surname Clark 1866
You can view these records for a small fee £7.00 for 30 credits which will take you further back if parents names are recorded
www.scotlandspeople.gov
Rosie
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www.scotlandspeople.gov
You forgot the uk - it's www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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Thank you ROSIE7 & FORFARIAN - That's great information! I need some time to absorb it but the exciting thing is that my Grandmother Jane(Jean) Weir - nee Young(daughter of David & Mary) had a middle name Wishart & my Aunty is also Jean Wishart Drummond (nee Weir) & she has no idea where the name Wishart came from so to me, that is the link. I have an article written in Dunedin paper about David & Jane celebrating their Diamond wedding 1939 & David was 90 & Jane 80 & ship 'Storm Cloud' arrived 30 July 1861 with Young family. Passenger list shows Young/Joseph-wife & family (7) plus a David Young & family (2). No idea if related but probably. Have death records at Portobello for Joseph/Jane plus David & Mary. All very helpful stuff. Thank you both so much. Can I reply to you individually or is this ok??
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Glad it was useful.
Do you have names and ages for David Young and family?
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Hi Hayjood Glad all the information was useful no need to reply individually :)
Regarding the record of David Young and his family he appears to be the brother of Joseph
Here is the family on the 1861 census
Address East Horse Hill Fenwick Ayrshire
David Young age 35 occupation Ag Lab
Margaret Young age 30
Jean L Young age 7
William Young age 2
Few trees have his marriage to Margaret Findlay 3 Dec 1852 Fenwick Ayrshire
Death for David Young 23 Dec 1899 Gore Southland NZ
Burial Waipahi Cemetery Otago New Zealand
Rosie
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Another brother William Young born 1819 also went to new Zealand
Death for William Young 1906 London Street Green Island Dunedin
Some trees have a newspaper clipping ( Otago Witness ) 21 April 1898
Of this couple celebrating their Diamond Wedding
Rosie
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Just seen a copy of the death for David Young 21 Jan 1873 Parish of Whitburn Blackburn
Gives his parents names as William Young and Margaret Watt
David is with his son William Young in the 1861 /1871 census
At Blackburn Village parish of Whitburn
William Young left Greenock 1874 for New Zealand
Rosie
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Birth for David Watt
14/7/1792 Bathgate
Father William Young
Mother Margaret Watt
Rosie
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Gosh Rosie17 - you have been busy! That's fantastic info & you have definitely cracked it! Based on death date & age, David was 11 yrs when they came to NZ (I thnk I said 6) so the Joseph & Jane Wishart correct family. All makes sense. And solved the mystery of Wishart! Thanks too FORFARIAN - I think you got it first up. Just don't understand the abbreviations IGI & FS? Bit 'green' at this! ROSIE - can I access Anc....y for that info without signing up?
Thanks so much both of you!
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Have just seen additional info Rosie - fantastic! Thank you so much! Just like a treasure hunt!
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Just don't understand the abbreviations IGI & FS?
Sorry. International Genealogical Index at Family Search www.familysearch.org - useful, but not to be trusted 100%.
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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Thanks Forfarian!
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[quote author=Hayjood link=topic=774669.msg6281027#msg6281027 date=149967 ROSIE - can I access Anc....y for that info without signing up?
Thanks so much both of you!
No I think you would need to join Anc''''y not sure if any of the libraries out there has access you could maybe enquire ...You could try www.wikitree.com/genealogy/young ..Put in Joseph Young and you can send a private message to the owner
Rosie
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Thank you. I have made the link in Wikitree . Lots to work on. Thanks for the leads
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Hi I have all the family tree on Joseph Young and Jane Wishart who emigrated to NZ with their large family. Joseph Young Was my great great grandfather and I was handed a scrolled family tree some years ago and happy to share with other family members.
Paulinecz
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I also have marriage records etc as have been a member of ancestry.com for some years
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Hi Cousin Hayjood,
I have a lot of info on the Youngs, Joseph & Jane are my great-great grandparents I have them traced back well into the 1700's and forward on most lines into the mid 1900's. The Weir line was in contact with my grandparents and great aunts until the 1960's. It would be great to hear from you, its 158 years since they arrived in Dunedin on the Storm Cloud with 6 children and 2 more were born in Dunedin/Hoopers Inlet. Some of the suggested links are incorrect but I would welcome contact. Message me and will provide my email details.
Regards
Andrew Stuart Young