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Title: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 08:17 BST (UK)
Hi!  I'm having a bit of an irritating time trying to find a person in the 1841 Census in Workington, Cumberland.  I assume that is where he is as and I have found him in subsequent census returns quite easily. 

His name was Isaiah Gilliead - but both of these names have numerous spellings I have discovered by looking through the records over the years! 

He was born c1820 in Workington.  He married Margaret Roney/Ronney in 1843 in Workington.  He was a Coal Miner.  His father was called Edward and I have found him in the 1841 Census in Workington, aged 45.  This would mean he was born c1796 which would mean his son Isaiah would be right to be born c1820.  However, I have come across an Isaiah Gilead, Mariner in the Workington 1841 return but he has the age of 40 which would mean he was born roughly 20 years earlier than my Isaiah.  I know that ages were rounded down in the 1841 Census so this means this man could be even older.  Maybe this Isaiah was a brother of Edward, and therefore my Isaiah's uncle?

Can anyone spot what I am missing?

Many thanks, Nina
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 09:50 BST (UK)
The Isaiah Gilead aged 40 years in 1841 married a Margaret Scrugham  St. John'S, Workington, Cumberland 6 November 1842 - the 1841 census shows him living with the Scrugham (transcribed as Laugham on anc)  family on the 1841 census.
His father was Benjamin Gilead according to England, Select Marriages, 15381973.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXVY-DS1

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 10:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra - I've been trying to link him as an Uncle - what do you think?
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 10:11 BST (UK)
The baptism for Edward Gilead 10 June 1792 Saint Michael,Workington gives father as Benjamin and mother Jane.  So its possible the other Isaiah is the son of Benjamin and an Uncle.
There was a Benjamin Gilead baptised Saint Michael,Workington 6 June 1790 - parents Benjamin and Jane Gilead.  That could be the Benjamin who passed away 24 March 1862 Workington aged 72 years so born 1790.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWF1-CL8

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N58D-V8Z

and a John Gilard - 29 May 1788

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMTV-7YR

Is this the marriage for Edward Gilead to Jane Daley - 7 July 1817 Workington

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXKG-Q5H

Marriage of Benjamin Gilead and Jane White - 15 February 1786 St Michaels - Workington

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKYX-L5G

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 10:12 BST (UK)
Have you found any sign of my Isaiah born c1820?  He must be somewhere!!!  I still cannot see him anywhere ...
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 10:14 BST (UK)
No sign of your Isaiah - could he have been a mariner at that time  ???  Both Whitehaven and Workington were very busy sea-ports  ???  Or is he just "lost" in transcription  ???
Benjamin Gilead born 1790 appears on the 1851 census - Curwen Street Workington - Benjamin - widowed - bookbinder - lodger with Mary Scott also widowed. Don't see him in earlier census.  Could have been badly mis-transcribed I suppose  ::)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKB-Q78

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 10:17 BST (UK)
 I guess he could have started off as a mariner but he quickly became a coal miner for the rest of his life ... so typical the person I want to find has got 'lost' somewhere at that time!  Thanks for all your help! Nina
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 10:17 BST (UK)
Interesting 1861 Census Frosthams Workington

Edvard Gillead   69 Head. labourer. Colliery.
Jane Gillead   70 Wife.
Ben Gillead   70 Brother. Book binder.

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 10:19 BST (UK)
Thanks!
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 10:20 BST (UK)
IF the father of both Edward and Benjamin Gilead was another Benjamin Gilead- perhaps the one born 1755 Workington who passed away 22 April 1838 - aged 83 years - could be the father of those two  ???

FHL Film Number 1472358  - Volume 25 page 1 - Registered Cockermouth Registration District.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NR7-PKC

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 10:22 BST (UK)
I shall have a look a bit later ... have to pop out ...
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: dcbnwh on Monday 17 July 17 10:30 BST (UK)
There is an Isaiah Gillead of Workington who was a mariner in the records from 1845 to 1854, so possibly also in 1841.

David
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 10:45 BST (UK)
The other Isaiah born 1800 who married Margaret Scrugham in 1842 was a mariner on the 1841 census.

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 10:57 BST (UK)
A small snippet just in case Benjamin Gilead was the brother of Edward, Uncle of Isaiah.

Carlisle Patriot Cumbria - 29 March 1962 - rest is pay per view...................

On Monday an inquest was held before H. Bell, E-q., coroner, upon the body Benjamin Gillead, printer utid bookbinder, aged 72, who died suddenly Saturday last. D.-ceastnl was aw. llkno* n character in the.................

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ket/

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 17 July 17 11:11 BST (UK)
Hi

Do you have these baptisms:

Workington
26 Oct 1818  Isaiah Gilead son of Edward and Jane
23 Dec 1821 John Giliad aon of Edward and Jane

Gadget
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 17 July 17 11:15 BST (UK)
John is in Camerton, Cockermouth in 1841 with the Herbert family -
HO107/161/7/7/8

insert - Or with Tindals HO107/159/5b*/45/17 in Workington


Gadget

Added - * is 9b
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 17 July 17 11:31 BST (UK)
Could this be more likely for John Gilead - 1841 Collier West Workington - think the Gindat surname is Tindall on the anc site  - since Joseph Tindall married Martha Mucklewean at St Michaels Workington in 1808.

Joseph Gindat   53 Innkeeper. Martha Gindat   56
George Gindat   20 Joseph Gindat   7
Daniel Gindat   4
John Gillied 20 Coal-Leader.

HO107; Piece: 159; Book: 9B Folio: 45 Page: 17 Line: 6

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M736-VRT

Sandra
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 17 July 17 11:42 BST (UK)
Think we've found the same one, Sandra, and I added it a while back - but different ref - I remember seeing Tindall as an Innkeeper. Will recheck the ref.
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 17 July 17 11:45 BST (UK)
Ref that I have is HO107/159/9b/45/17

Think I must have misread the 9b for a 5b
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 17 July 17 12:17 BST (UK)
Just had a thought that, apart from Isaiah being very badly indexed, missing from the census, at sea, etc.,  he might have been working on the night shift in the coal mine.  I recall that I couldn't find a coal mining ancestor on one of the early censuses and was told that the mine foreman was instructed to list all miners working in the colliery at midnight on census day/night and enter them. Not sure how many conformed to this or how true it was but this could explain the absence.
Title: Re: Missing from the Workington 1841 Census?
Post by: Relsearcher on Monday 17 July 17 17:45 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone for your time, help and info with this!  Gadget ... that's a thought - he may well have been down a mine at the time!  Nina